http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/northbirmingahmreview.aspx
Wondering what ideas you had for the review?
I wish they added another bus on my local route (PVR to 6) or cancel the extension which was unnecessary :)
Bring back the 68A/68C
Extra X51s into Cannock!
Leave the existing route numbers alone!!!
i agree leave the numbers alone but they can still do soming with routes new routes and other
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2012, 06:45:59 PM
Bring back the 68A/68C
I agree here several drivers told me they want it back too a good route this! On one of BY's mercs I think it still shows the route 68 route map :)
I filled out their questionnaire, I too requested that service numbers not be changed.
I had a horrible image of the 905 becoming yet another number 5!
X5?
Quote from: vinh1000 on October 31, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2012, 06:45:59 PM
Bring back the 68A/68C
I agree here several drivers told me they want it back too a good route this! On one of BY's mercs I think it still shows the route 68 route map :)
Quite a few people still miss the 68A/68C, which begs the question why is was withdrawn if it is so popular
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2012, 11:48:40 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on October 31, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2012, 06:45:59 PM
Bring back the 68A/68C
I agree here several drivers told me they want it back too a good route this! On one of BY's mercs I think it still shows the route 68 route map :)
Quite a few people still miss the 68A/68C, which begs the question why is was withdrawn if it is so popular
I've said several times in other threads that its withdrawal was a mistake, it removed several useful links which have only been partially replaced by a variety of cobbled together alterations to other services.
Quote from: Gareth on October 31, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
I filled out their questionnaire, I too requested that service numbers not be changed.
I had a horrible image of the 905 becoming yet another number 5!
Or the 51 becoming the 5!
Quote from: sonic84 on November 01, 2012, 12:25:51 AM
Quote from: Gareth on October 31, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
I filled out their questionnaire, I too requested that service numbers not be changed.
I had a horrible image of the 905 becoming yet another number 5!
Or the 51 becoming the 5!
Unlikely, as you already have the 5 from B'Ham - Solihull
i agree bring back the 68a and 68c but do not run it in to the fort also they should bring back the 28a from castle vale to perry barr and what about withdrawing the 997e jounrys to the pheasy and replacing them with something like a 996 to sutton coldfield via perry barr ,old ocsott, pheasy , kingstanding , streelty and then on to sutton
Seriously they should extend more X51s to & from Cannôck advertise it and theyll get the cannock -walsall custom too
I''d Say
934 - Goes back to Every 30 minutes Evening
935A- Operates 30 minute frequency Evenings
997E - Extended to Aldridge or just Extended all journeys to Walsall
Quote from: Gareth on October 31, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
I filled out their questionnaire, I too requested that service numbers not be changed.
I had a horrible image of the 905 becoming yet another number 5!
I can't see them changing the 905 to a 5 as there is already a 5 going from Birmingham - Solihull as Winston posted and both the AG 5 and the sutton line buses use carrs lane to get to their stops so I can't see them changing them but I'm with you Gareth they'd better not change the service numbers
I would like to see them extend the 71a to fox and goose to give new links to sutton.
yea the 71a to ward end via the fort aswell and maybe take the 966 to slipt between erdington and the fort anybody else thing some changes to 28 in the erdinton area may be via south road so they can put at least some doubles on the 28
Couldnt see the51 becoming the 5 to be honest as there is already a 5 in the city centre. I really hope they dont change any route numbers it just makes things so confusing! Ive also fillied in a questionaire and have suggested that the improve the frequency of the 51 during the evenings and a night back to at least 3 buses an hour. Every 30 mins just isnt good enough for such a busy route
I don't know if this is possible but, PB could introduce a 28A that operates Via The Fort
For a company that operates four number 5's and two number 5A's, anything is possible. There is no logic anymore.
don't forget there's already a number 5 at the scott arms and in sutton (the old 451), so i can't see that number being used again in the review if they change the bus numbers.
BTW how long has the 68A/C been gone now? 2 or 3 years? i know a lot of people around Kingstanding used it a lot and would like to see it back as there is no direct link from there to good hope hospital, so i can see either the 5 or 66 being extended to serve it. Anyone else agree?
There will most probably be some route renumbering, due to services being combined or new routes being created, but I don't think we'll see major renumberings as we saw at the Walsall, Wolverhampton and Sandwell reviews, as most of the numberings are already in the 0-99 and 100-199 ranges. Be interesting to see if they keep the 900 series of numbers for the express Sutton services.
At a guess, routes at risk of being changed might be the 7, 28 and 46, and I could see the 966 being broken up maybe.
In all honesty, with all the changes that have already taken place recently, depending on what passengers request the most, I really can't see there being any major changes to be made. More buses to the Fort Shopping Centre? It's a little bizarre that only one bus (the 966) serves this major retail area.
As long as Centro ignore all the suggestions that Reiss from Facebook has probably already made, and listen to genuine passengers requests, then all should work out quite straight-forward. ;D
It would be handy having a bus link to The Fort from the City Centre or maybe somewhere like Ward End.
I haven't been there since they stopped the 11 going there a few years back.
I think that this review is more likely to be just tweaking here and there rather than major changes. A reintroduction of the 68 or similar would be a welcome return to the many passengers who cried outrage when it was axed. Double decking of the 28 would be nice again. Not impossible as it was double deck before the B10B's came along.
With regards to the 905, maybe X5 ? ;) They haven't used that variation yet!
I for one would like to see the 966 return to Perry Barr operation. Although I like that the buses from it do a 37E back to Acocks Green village as an extra service, I feel that from an enthusiasts point of view, it'd be way better seeing Scania Omnicity's in Solihull, rather than more dreary Presidents. From a passenger view, the 966 is best at AG because the state of half of PB's fleet is terrible. AG actually maintains the interior of vehicles!
I hope they do put extra X51 extensions on but doubt they will
No route number changes ideally
If it was me id set the 997 at a 15 minute frequency all day inclding PM peak and have all journeys as Birmingham to Walsall and Walsall to Birmingham
I can see the 997/935/934 been altered ins ome way as they are forever been changed!
Gonna make a couple of little suggestions here, feel free to shoot me down :) (or add to them)
Bring back the 68 definitely!
Extend the 67 to Asda Minworth via Castle Vale or at least have the 67A extend down there from Midpoint Park, and give it normal runnings. This way there is a NXWM bus from the city centre, as at the moment there is only the 71 and 71A.
Extend the 46 as it is ridiculously short and doesn't particularly create any special connections.
As suggested, make more X51's go to Cannock
Extend service 638 to Perry Barr, as there are currently no buses connecting Castle Vale and Perry Barr? And the way it is at the moment, the 638 is far too short.
Quote from: JB93 on November 03, 2012, 02:21:16 AM
Gonna make a couple of little suggestions here, feel free to shoot me down :) (or add to them)
Bring back the 68 definitely!
Extend the 67 to Asda Minworth via Castle Vale or at least have the 67A extend down there from Midpoint Park, and give it normal runnings. This way there is a NXWM bus from the city centre, as at the moment there is only the 71 and 71A.
Extend the 46 as it is ridiculously short and doesn't particularly create any special connections.
As suggested, make more X51's go to Cannock
Extend service 638 to Perry Barr, as there are currently no buses connecting Castle Vale and Perry Barr? And the way it is at the moment, the 638 is far too short.
46 already extended as it is and vastly unreliable considering the current running boards
Should have left it as Birmingham - Perry Barr :L
i think they should extand the 67 to asda minworth .
maybe they could extend a few jounrys on the 65 to erdington via the 66 or 66a route and or the 7 to erdington /sutton
maybe run a service along the 907 route to new oscott then to kingstanding or erdington this could bring the frequarys up on the collges road
.mybe a all day service on the 935a to brownhills
also maybe the 651 and 654 could be made in to one route to run from perry barr to pheasy with an the service running from the pheasy to kingstandin or aldridges
maybe the 46 should run every 20 mins between city and parry barr only and run a new services like 46a or 91 from perry barr via witton and aston six wasy then in to city via 7 throw summer lane or 46 via lozzells .
i have put all this on the svary i do have other thoughts but what do people think about this one
Quote from: adam 21 on November 03, 2012, 11:12:45 PM
i think they should extand the 67 to asda minworth .
maybe they could extend a few jounrys on the 65 to erdington via the 66 or 66a route and or the 7 to erdington /sutton
maybe run a service along the 907 route to new oscott then to kingstanding or erdington this could bring the frequarys up on the collges road
.mybe a all day service on the 935a to brownhills
also maybe the 651 and 654 could be made in to one route to run from perry barr to pheasy with an the service running from the pheasy to kingstandin or aldridges
maybe the 46 should run every 20 mins between city and parry barr only and run a new services like 46a or 91 from perry barr via witton and aston six wasy then in to city via 7 throw summer lane or 46 via lozzells .
i have put all this on the svary i do have other thoughts but what do people think about this one
:)
reducing the 46 frequency would be a nightmare lol
People will be waiting an hour in city for itl ol
Quote from: adam 21 on November 03, 2012, 11:12:45 PM
i think they should extand the 67 to asda minworth .
maybe they could extend a few jounrys on the 65 to erdington via the 66 or 66a route and or the 7 to erdington /sutton
maybe run a service along the 907 route to new oscott then to kingstanding or erdington this could bring the frequarys up on the collges road
.mybe a all day service on the 935a to brownhills
also maybe the 651 and 654 could be made in to one route to run from perry barr to pheasy with an the service running from the pheasy to kingstandin or aldridges
maybe the 46 should run every 20 mins between city and parry barr only and run a new services like 46a or 91 from perry barr via witton and aston six wasy then in to city via 7 throw summer lane or 46 via lozzells .
i have put all this on the svary i do have other thoughts but what do people think about this one
would love to see the artics go around asda think they may have a little trouble
Any Perry Barr garage insider gossip about potential changes yet?? :-X
Extend the 907 to Falcon Lodge? There's currently no direct bus between Falcon Lodge and Perry Barr
Any word as to the likely date the review will be implemented?
Just hope the outer circle gets left alone!
The North Birmingham & Sutton Coldfield review changes are due to come into force in April 2013.
Highly unlikely there will be any changes to the Outer Circle, maybe some timetable tweaks to link with other services at Erdington and Perry Barr (for example).
What routes do people think most at risk? Obviously the minibus routes are always likely candidates (654, 651, 424, 600, 25, 167/8, 604) but I'd be willing to bet the 28, 66/66A and 88 would see some major changes, and no doubt the 966 will be tinkered with again to cover areas lost from other routes (making it even more long winded)
A decent bus service, limited stop from brum to cannock through Walsall? Is that too much to ask? Especially given the unreliability of the trains
I Can see the 934/935/997 having some sort of change
Quote from: bob on February 02, 2013, 04:23:14 PM
A decent bus service, limited stop from brum to cannock through Walsall? Is that too much to ask? Especially given the unreliability of the trains
Maybe arriva will introduce a service to compete with nx. Makes more sense than the x31, but would need to he at least every 30 minutes. On the other hand it would be nice to see nx step up to the mark and compete on arriva turf!
Why did TWM pull out full time originally on the Brum to Brownhills route?
Diamond must be getting fair loads on it, but their vehicle has to come from Smethwick (?), while NX actually has Perry Barr garage on the route!
Quote from: bob on February 02, 2013, 04:23:14 PM
A decent bus service, limited stop from brum to cannock through Walsall? Is that too much to ask? Especially given the unreliability of the trains
Why does it have to go through Walsall? Wouldn't it be quicker if it didn't
Quote from: Westy on February 10, 2013, 09:59:30 PM
Why did TWM pull out full time originally on the Brum to Brownhills route?
Didn't make money
Quote from: Westy on February 10, 2013, 09:59:30 PM
Diamond must be getting fair loads on it, but their vehicle has to come from Smethwick (?), while NX actually has Perry Barr garage on the route!
Are they? On a couple of peak journeys maybe but not all day
Quote from: Shaun on February 10, 2013, 10:01:07 PM
Quote from: bob on February 02, 2013, 04:23:14 PM
A decent bus service, limited stop from brum to cannock through Walsall? Is that too much to ask? Especially given the unreliability of the trains
Why does it have to go through Walsall? Wouldn't it be quicker if it didn't
*cough* M6 southbound *cough*
Possible X53-Birmingham-Scott Arms-Queslett-Pheasey (limited Stop)
As route X51-Birmingham-Scott Arms then Newton Road then as Service 5 to Pheasey
997E Journeys to be Withdrawn
997 re-routed out of pheasey direct via Aldridge Road
I can definitely see the 46 being altered because of the way it turns back on itself at Perry Barr to go back to its Aston terminus.
NXWM route 33 has a timetable change on VOSA today to commence from 21st April, is this the date that the North B'ham review is set to come in to force?
The above date would also be a week before the April Centro tender changes
Anyone know if the Cannock extensions on the X51 are going to be lost?
X31 tried and failed
The only reason the X31 failed was because of arriva there is & always will be a demand for a link from Brum to Cannock
X31 had very good loadings a lot of the time but the M6 didnt help
yeah I now that bob but it was a good service as you said, I'm sure it could have been saved in some way, lets hope the North birmingham review comes up with something
Heres hoping! But i doubt it will
Quote from: JB93 on February 11, 2013, 08:31:07 PM
I can definitely see the 46 being altered because of the way it turns back on itself at Perry Barr to go back to its Aston terminus.
yes
its quite stupid
on running boards to six ways aston they have ONE minute to get from layover to other side :L
it should just turn left
already the most unreliable route ever
When are they going to announce details of the review, have already seen signs at bus stops saying the usual about timetables and bus stop flags, but nothing about the "new" services?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 27, 2013, 07:52:51 PM
When are they going to announce details of the review, have already seen signs at bus stops saying the usual about timetables and bus stop flags, but nothing about the "new" services?
I'm guessing that it could be set for the Sun 21st April? with the Centro tender changes following a following week (Sun 28th April). If I remember right we have a previous review happen like that. If I'm right we should start see registrations / variations appearing on VOSA soon
Anyone heard any rumours about changes yet.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 04, 2013, 03:59:38 PM
Anyone heard any rumours about changes yet.
No, no official changes at all. It is thought to be the 21 or 28 April so something needs to be announced by NWM pretty shortly.
Quote from: John on March 04, 2013, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 04, 2013, 03:59:38 PM
Anyone heard any rumours about changes yet.
No, no official changes at all. It is thought to be the 21 or 28 April so something needs to be announced by NWM pretty shortly.
Wouldn't hold my breath, going on the previous reviews I doubt to hear anything before easter
It is to my understanding that the review has now been pushed back to mid-June. I don't think this has been officially confirmed as yet though.
Quote from: notepanel on March 06, 2013, 05:11:51 PM
It is to my understanding that the review has now been pushed back to mid-June. I don't think this has been officially confirmed as yet though.
interesting because some bus stops have notices saying that bus services may change from that stop!
Im hoping there may be extra X51s to Cannock
Quote from: bob on March 08, 2013, 11:03:54 AM
Im hoping there may be extra X51s to Cannock
Face it I think a lot of people are. But I'm not convinced that will happen because it's a "North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield review", only 3 stops on the x51 really come into it
Lol Cannock is North of brum I spose
Quote from: notepanel on March 06, 2013, 05:11:51 PM
It is to my understanding that the review has now been pushed back to mid-June. I don't think this has been officially confirmed as yet though.
I've been told by Centro that the North Birmingham review service changes will come into force on 9 June. There will also be a quality partnership agreement for the North Birmingham area between Centro and the bus operators starting at the same time.
When will it be announced what they are
So we'll probably hear nothing official until the end of may
You're probably not going to see any new registrations on VOSA until about the second week in April.
If previous reviews are anything to go by, the changes booklet will appear about 2-3 weeks before 9 June, with the roadshows starting at the end of May.
Quote from: Roy on March 16, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
If previous reviews are anything to go by, the changes booklet will appear about 2-3 weeks before 9 June, with the roadshows starting at the end of May.
....and timetables in July
Quote from: Roy on March 16, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
You're probably not going to see any new registrations on VOSA until about the second week in April.
If previous reviews are anything to go by, the changes booklet will appear about 2-3 weeks before 9 June, with the roadshows starting at the end of May.
Registrations are being made end of next week. I think there will only be a couple of surprises (no I haven't got the full list yet and what I do know I am not allowed to post until it appears on VOSA so don't ask)
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2013, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: Roy on March 16, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
You're probably not going to see any new registrations on VOSA until about the second week in April.
If previous reviews are anything to go by, the changes booklet will appear about 2-3 weeks before 9 June, with the roadshows starting at the end of May.
Registrations are being made end of next week. I think there will only be a couple of surprises (no I haven't got the full list yet and what I do know I am not allowed to post until it appears on VOSA so don't ask)
Tony,
Is the 9th June now the confirmed date for the service changes
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 06:31:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2013, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: Roy on March 16, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
You're probably not going to see any new registrations on VOSA until about the second week in April.
If previous reviews are anything to go by, the changes booklet will appear about 2-3 weeks before 9 June, with the roadshows starting at the end of May.
Registrations are being made end of next week. I think there will only be a couple of surprises (no I haven't got the full list yet and what I do know I am not allowed to post until it appears on VOSA so don't ask)
Tony,
Is the 9th June now the confirmed date for the service changes
From what I have been told - yes
PD1021409/60 - CEN GROUP LIMITED, UNIT 14A, TAMEBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, ALDRIDGE ROAD, PERRY BARR, BIRMINGHAM, B42 2TX
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: SUTTON COLDFIELD, LOWER PARADE
Finish Point: LINCHFIELD BUS STATION
Via:
Service Number: 92
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 30-MAY-2013
Other Details: MERE GREEN, HILL HOOK.
I know it's early for the review, but i would highlight
Looks like both the competitors on the 28 are going as well. Interesting.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 23, 2013, 11:16:57 AM
Looks like both the competitors on the 28 are going as well. Interesting.
Its good for NX, dunno about anyone else mind.
Does the 28 have B10L again now since the emission rule in B'ham City Centre?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 23, 2013, 10:47:38 AM
PD1021409/60 - CEN GROUP LIMITED, UNIT 14A, TAMEBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, ALDRIDGE ROAD, PERRY BARR, BIRMINGHAM, B42 2TX
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: SUTTON COLDFIELD, LOWER PARADE
Finish Point: LINCHFIELD BUS STATION
Via:
Service Number: 92
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 30-MAY-2013
Other Details: MERE GREEN, HILL HOOK.
I know it's early for the review, but i would highlight
linchfield? lol :P
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
Does the 28 have B10L again now since the emission rule in B'ham City Centre?
There are still a good number of OmniLinks on the 28 as well
Quote from: John on April 23, 2013, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
Does the 28 have B10L again now since the emission rule in B'ham City Centre?
There are still a good number of OmniLinks on the 28 as well
What PB routes use the 15 x B10L's then?
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2013, 03:23:49 PM
What PB routes use the 15 x B10L's then?
71A and 638 has them as well as the 28
Quote from: John on April 23, 2013, 03:24:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2013, 03:23:49 PM
What PB routes use the 15 x B10L's then?
71A and 638 has them as well as the 28
Thanks John, so they're spread around rather than being the main allocation of a set route
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2013, 04:40:00 PM
Thanks John, so they're spread around rather than being the main allocation of a set route
No problem. The majority are usually on the 28. The 638 has 2 buses on it, usually 1 B10L and 1 D/D whenever I've seen it. The 71A has 3 buses on it (2 if on Summer timetable). Can be either a mix of B10L's and D/D too.
Quote from: John on April 23, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2013, 04:40:00 PM
Thanks John, so they're spread around rather than being the main allocation of a set route
No problem. The majority are usually on the 28. The 638 has 2 buses on it, usually 1 B10L and 1 D/D whenever I've seen it. The 71A has 3 buses on it (2 if on Summer timetable). Can be either a mix of B10L's and D/D too.
The 638 is run with two Buses -,-. I thought it was just one.
Out of curisoity wasn't 70?? - 7031 (excluding 7019 as thats at AG), But wasn't the rest meant to be for the 28 ?
They ahve put 46 on the bus stops now ready for the WB 46 extension to Pheasey via Netherhall
Quote from: NathanJC on April 25, 2013, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: John on April 23, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2013, 04:40:00 PM
Thanks John, so they're spread around rather than being the main allocation of a set route
No problem. The majority are usually on the 28. The 638 has 2 buses on it, usually 1 B10L and 1 D/D whenever I've seen it. The 71A has 3 buses on it (2 if on Summer timetable). Can be either a mix of B10L's and D/D too.
The 638 is run with two Buses -,-. I thought it was just one.
Out of curisoity wasn't 70?? - 7031 (excluding 7019 as thats at AG), But wasn't the rest meant to be for the 28 ?
Originally yes but the lower emission zone in the City Centre ment that B10Ls couldnt enter the city (some of which were still on the 46 and 66/66A) at the time.
Quote from: Lukeee on April 27, 2013, 07:18:19 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 25, 2013, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: John on April 23, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2013, 04:40:00 PM
Thanks John, so they're spread around rather than being the main allocation of a set route
No problem. The majority are usually on the 28. The 638 has 2 buses on it, usually 1 B10L and 1 D/D whenever I've seen it. The 71A has 3 buses on it (2 if on Summer timetable). Can be either a mix of B10L's and D/D too.
The 638 is run with two Buses -,-. I thought it was just one.
Out of curisoity wasn't 70?? - 7031 (excluding 7019 as thats at AG), But wasn't the rest meant to be for the 28 ?
Originally yes but the lower emission zone in the City Centre ment that B10Ls couldnt enter the city (some of which were still on the 46 and 66/66A) at the time.
They stuck on the 28 for a while, but could be found on other PB routes as well after a short time. This was before the LEZ came into force
Central Buses have put this message on Facebook: "We are pleased to announce that we will be increasing the weekday frequency on Route 78 (Sutton Coldfield - Streetly) to every 30 minutes from Monday 10th June". isn't it about time the rest of the route changes were published ?, this was the reply I got from Network West Midlands a week ago: "We do have partnership agreements to meet and registrations to sign off, never that straightforward I'm afraid!" - This is now wearing a bit thin now, those in the know at NXWM and NWM etc most likely do not use these bus routes and go home every day and forget about it, passengers in North Birmingham are getting impatient now a rightfully so these routes start 5 weeks today and tomorrow. I would love to know what's happening to the 907 (no more peak reductions please!!!), also the 28, 902, 904, 905, 66, 66A.
Has someone broke an embargo then of some sort?
I know theres mentions on VOSA but thats sketchy details.
I'll be honest it almost makes it seem as if Central buses are getting impatient themselves
Quote from: Kevin on May 05, 2013, 11:04:39 PM
I'll be honest it almost makes it seem as if Central buses are getting impatient themselves
According to the Central Buses Facebook page Centro have not exactly helped. Their contractors have already posted up timetables at the stops for the new 92 service, even though it is not due to start until the end of May (which is actually a couple of weeks before the review is due to kick in).
Quote from: Steve3229vp on May 05, 2013, 08:45:12 PM
Central Buses have put this message on Facebook: "We are pleased to announce that we will be increasing the weekday frequency on Route 78 (Sutton Coldfield - Streetly) to every 30 minutes from Monday 10th June". isn't it about time the rest of the route changes were published ?, this was the reply I got from Network West Midlands a week ago: "We do have partnership agreements to meet and registrations to sign off, never that straightforward I'm afraid!" - This is now wearing a bit thin now, those in the know at NXWM and NWM etc most likely do not use these bus routes and go home every day and forget about it, passengers in North Birmingham are getting impatient now a rightfully so these routes start 5 weeks today and tomorrow. I would love to know what's happening to the 907 (no more peak reductions please!!!), also the 28, 902, 904, 905, 66, 66A.
Really they should be announcing the changes as soon as the registrations have been submitted to VOSA. This means if they have got anything wrong then action can be taken quickly, rather than waiting until the review implementation date and then having to change things again a matter of weeks later (as seen in a number of previous reviews).
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2012, 11:48:40 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on October 31, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2012, 06:45:59 PM
Bring back the 68A/68C
I agree here several drivers told me they want it back too a good route this! On one of BY's mercs I think it still shows the route 68 route map :)
Quite a few people still miss the 68A/68C, which begs the question why is was withdrawn if it is so popular
Off the topic, but so is the 91/91E - Birmingham to Perry Barr/Hockley(91E)
Couple of school services changing in the North Birmingham area on 9th June
PD0001111/129 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Gillity Village, Redruth Road and Barr Beacon Comprehensive School given service number 705/705A effective from 09-Jun-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/130 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Milton Street and Barr Beacon Comprehensive School given service number 704 effective from 09-Jun-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/406 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Beacon Road, Barr Beacon School and Birmingham, Great Barr, Merrions Close given service number 705S effective from 09-Jun-2013.
Quote from: Winston on May 09, 2013, 03:12:36 PM
Couple of school services changing in the North Birmingham area on 9th June
PD0001111/129 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Gillity Village, Redruth Road and Barr Beacon Comprehensive School given service number 705/705A effective from 09-Jun-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/130 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Milton Street and Barr Beacon Comprehensive School given service number 704 effective from 09-Jun-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/406 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Beacon Road, Barr Beacon School and Birmingham, Great Barr, Merrions Close given service number 705S effective from 09-Jun-2013.
I believe the 705 has a slight re-route around Gillity Village. The 705A is being renumbered to the 788 and the 704/705S are merged into the new 881. (705S route to the Bell Inn, Walstead Road then 704 route to Milton Street).
Other minor changes include the X51 serving an additional stop (Alexander Stadium), X51 journeys to Cannock using the Arriva 1 & 2 stop in Walsall instead of Stand B and the 997 using the 6/7/7A (To Walsall) stop in Aldridge (the current stop is the otherside of the road - both directions will now be on the same side of the road).
Also of note is this article in the Express & Star today concerning the 952 route. The article suggests it is not confirmed yet though. http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2013/05/09/anger-at-great-barr-bus-route-scheme/
Exhibitions:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReviewIndex.aspx
Quote from: neale95 on May 09, 2013, 07:56:49 PM
Exhibitions:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReviewIndex.aspx
There are exhibitions running right up until the day before the changes actually occur, they're not exactly giving passengers much time to get their heads around the new changes
This review doesn't seem to have so been as well planned & implemented as others
Quote from: Winston on May 09, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: neale95 on May 09, 2013, 07:56:49 PM
Exhibitions:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReviewIndex.aspx
There are exhibitions running right up until the day before the changes actually occur, they're not exactly giving passengers much time to get their heads around the new changes
This review doesn't seem to have so been as well planned & implemented as others
It says timetables will be available at the exhibitions, are they not going to be published online as in previous reviews.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 09, 2013, 08:40:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 09, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: neale95 on May 09, 2013, 07:56:49 PM
Exhibitions:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReviewIndex.aspx
There are exhibitions running right up until the day before the changes actually occur, they're not exactly giving passengers much time to get their heads around the new changes
This review doesn't seem to have so been as well planned & implemented as others
It says timetables will be available at the exhibitions, are they not going to be published online as in previous reviews.
I would expect they would be
Good idea to get the X51s Cannock bound to go from the Arriva stop, could get them some extra custom, I think a single to Cannock costs less than the Arriva equivalent
Quote from: Winston on May 09, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
There are exhibitions running right up until the day before the changes actually occur, they're not exactly giving passengers much time to get their heads around the new changes
This review doesn't seem to have so been as well planned & implemented as others
Ho hum....
They really should publish any details of changes long before they're due, so people can see the obvious flaws in them and hopefully get them rectified before its too late
Quote from: Kevin on May 09, 2013, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 09, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
There are exhibitions running right up until the day before the changes actually occur, they're not exactly giving passengers much time to get their heads around the new changes
This review doesn't seem to have so been as well planned & implemented as others
Ho hum....
They really should publish any details of changes long before they're due, so people can see the obvious flaws in them and hopefully get them rectified before its too late
I thought the exhibitions were usually a month before, thus giving NWM time to make any tweaks
Quote from: bob on May 09, 2013, 10:03:28 PM
Good idea to get the X51s Cannock bound to go from the Arriva stop, could get them some extra custom, I think a single to Cannock costs less than the Arriva equivalent
I agree.
Mind you, I tried explaining it to my sister, about the 2 changes.
'Coming back from Brum, it'll stop outside the Jobcentre, where the Arriva stops!'
'Is that where the Parrys coaches stop?'
'Not quite!'
Quote from: neale95 on May 09, 2013, 07:56:49 PM
Exhibitions:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReviewIndex.aspx
They have vanished now!
Quote from: notepanel on May 09, 2013, 03:38:13 PM
Also of note is this article in the Express & Star today concerning the 952 route. The article suggests it is not confirmed yet though. http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2013/05/09/anger-at-great-barr-bus-route-scheme/
Oh dear Christ I've just read that, please no, that would be an awful route.
My suggestion would be two routes, a 952 using Walsall rd, Beeches rd (in both directions) and possibly on to old oscott or even kingstanding, and a separate non express route using Aldridge rd, Thornbridge avenue, turnberry rd, calshot rd and to Scott arms. But hell when would they listen to me
I really hope they see fit to introduce even just one or two extra trips to and from cannock during shopping hours itd be great. The trains ok but not always that reliable
Quote from: notepanel on May 09, 2013, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 09, 2013, 03:12:36 PM
Couple of school services changing in the North Birmingham area on 9th June
PD0001111/129 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Gillity Village, Redruth Road and Barr Beacon Comprehensive School given service number 705/705A effective from 09-Jun-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/130 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Milton Street and Barr Beacon Comprehensive School given service number 704 effective from 09-Jun-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/406 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Beacon Road, Barr Beacon School and Birmingham, Great Barr, Merrions Close given service number 705S effective from 09-Jun-2013.
I believe the 705 has a slight re-route around Gillity Village. The 705A is being renumbered to the 788 and the 704/705S are merged into the new 881. (705S route to the Bell Inn, Walstead Road then 704 route to Milton Street).
Other minor changes include the X51 serving an additional stop (Alexander Stadium), X51 journeys to Cannock using the Arriva 1 & 2 stop in Walsall instead of Stand B and the 997 using the 6/7/7A (To Walsall) stop in Aldridge (the current stop is the otherside of the road - both directions will now be on the same side of the road).
Also of note is this article in the Express & Star today concerning the 952 route. The article suggests it is not confirmed yet though. http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2013/05/09/anger-at-great-barr-bus-route-scheme/
Just sounds like a bunch of disgruntled do-gooders who just don't want a bus down their road. If it gives greater transport links (which by the sounds of things it does) then where's the issue? If a bus going past can knock their garden wall over I think they need to find new builders.
Quote from: JB93 on May 10, 2013, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: notepanel on May 09, 2013, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 09, 2013, 03:12:36 PM
Couple of school services changing in the North Birmingham area on 9th June
PD0001111/129 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Gillity Village, Redruth Road and Barr Beacon Comprehensive School given service number 705/705A effective from 09-Jun-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/130 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Milton Street and Barr Beacon Comprehensive School given service number 704 effective from 09-Jun-2013. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/406 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Beacon Road, Barr Beacon School and Birmingham, Great Barr, Merrions Close given service number 705S effective from 09-Jun-2013.
I believe the 705 has a slight re-route around Gillity Village. The 705A is being renumbered to the 788 and the 704/705S are merged into the new 881. (705S route to the Bell Inn, Walstead Road then 704 route to Milton Street).
Other minor changes include the X51 serving an additional stop (Alexander Stadium), X51 journeys to Cannock using the Arriva 1 & 2 stop in Walsall instead of Stand B and the 997 using the 6/7/7A (To Walsall) stop in Aldridge (the current stop is the otherside of the road - both directions will now be on the same side of the road).
Also of note is this article in the Express & Star today concerning the 952 route. The article suggests it is not confirmed yet though. http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2013/05/09/anger-at-great-barr-bus-route-scheme/
Just sounds like a bunch of disgruntled do-gooders who just don't want a bus down their road. If it gives greater transport links (which by the sounds of things it does) then where's the issue? If a bus going past can knock their garden wall over I think they need to find new builders.
Good grief I bet the hack that drew the straw for that job couldn't wait to get to work...
People like these should basically be told to do one. When you buy a house you acquire the house and whatever plot of land it is built on. You do not acquire the pavement, the grass verge, the automatic right to a permanent parking space immediately outside or any part of the road. That all remains public property, paid for and maintained by tax payers and road fund licence payers. There are no weight restrictions or limited access conditions, therefore a bus operator should be entitled to register it as a bus route and expect support from the local authority to provide the facilities required, as long as they are commiting to operate it responsibly.
Whether two silver foxes can retire gracefully at the same time as the occasional bus passes them by really shouldn't be of major concern.
Do you know the area though? Have you seen the route that article seems to suggest? Its awful, goes half a mile up the Walsall road, to do a U turn, turns left then near enough immediately right, ends up 50 yards down beeches road from where it originally would have been with not much to show for it, it wouldn't even make it as far as Scott Arms it would U turn before that. Turnberry road is only just about manageable as it is, if they put mini or midi-buses on that road it perhaps wouldn't be that bad, I can see no sense in sending any bus down Foden road, the 424 already does and from what I can see no one uses it.
(rant over, apologies)
Question regarding 997 will evenings and Sundays be re-routed via foley arms/Deers Leap because the running time will be very tight and unrealistic.
I agree entirely, sending the 952 down Foden Road would be silly and would take too long, I agree with an earlier post by having the 952 using Beeches Road, Thornbridge Road and Hassop Road in BOTH directions and have a separate route going to and from Scott Arms via Booths Farm Road, Turnberry Road, Beeches and may be to Kingstanding Circle via Old Oscott as this link is likely to disappear.
I know I've asked this before but does anybody know if the peak frequency on the 907 (whether it includes the 907A or not) will be improved ?, it needs it badly and does anybody know whats happening with route 28 ?
This has appeared on Central Buses page on Facebook
Commencing Sunday 9th June 2013
Service 28 (Dyas Road - Erdington via Hawthorn Road) - Service Withdrawn
Service 76 (Old Oscott - Walsall via Kingstanding & Pheasey) - Service Withdrawn. Revised 88 service will replace the section of route between Old Oscott and Kingstanding and National Express 934 service will replace the route between Kingstanding and Walsall
Service 78 (Streetly - Sutton Coldfield via Mere Green) - Weekday timetable enhanced to operate every 30 minutes. Route extended in the Streetly area via Bakers Lane to terminate at Parson & Clerk
Service 88 / 88A (Streetly - Kingstanding - Erdington) - Route & Timetable revised. Off peak journeys will now operate between Kingstanding and Erdington via Old Oscott & Finchley Road as Service 88A due to low patronage in the Streetly area. Peak time journeys will continue to operate along the existing 88 route between Streetly and Erdington at revised times.
Now how NWM pulling there fingers out and publish all the changes !!!
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/09June2013.aspx
Doesn't look like their are a great deal of changes apart from the 934/936 etc as compared with other reviews. I suppose if major changes aren't needed why bother.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 13, 2013, 02:36:47 PM
Doesn't look like their are a great deal of changes apart from the 934/936 etc as compared with other reviews. I suppose if major changes aren't needed why bother.
That's exactly what I was thinking....
Looks like the 907 has been neglected again - "Timetable amended" doesn't inspire me much !!!
46 National Express West Midlands Perry Barr - Birmingham via Newtown Route Curtailed Perry Barr / Witton - extension withdrwan Timetable Amended
woo this is good :D
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 13, 2013, 02:36:47 PM
Doesn't look like their are a great deal of changes apart from the 934/936 etc as compared with other reviews. I suppose if major changes aren't needed why bother.
That's exactly what I was thinking....
The network is still largely based on what we had 25 years ago, I believe it needs major changes, but then until they pull their fingers out and turn Sutton Coldfield into the practical transport hub it needs to be, it would all be futile anyway.
Any idea which of the Walsall via Pheasey / Kingstanding to Brum links will have evening & Sunday services?
Not convinced about the reduction in running time on the X51 between Cannock & Walsall, as when I caught it between Bloxwich & Walsall, it was always late anyway. (It was timed at my stop at 654am, but always seemed to be nearer 7 when it arrived!)
My sister(who now catches that particular journey into City) said there is waiting time at Walsall anyway, but bearing in mind my sister has been highly critical of the reliability of the return journeys back home, so I expect more moaning from her if that continues.
(By the way, how many more of the evening journeys on Walsall 70 can they withdraw? It's an hourly frequency now! Maybe it's time once the Bloxwich railway station situation has been sorted out, to look at service provision on that route?
Maybe put an evening & Sunday service on the 69 as far as New Invention, allowing for connections with the 89 maybe & not sure about the Dudleys Fields section, unless they increase the 326, including an evening & Sunday service.
The couple of drawbacks I can see is the factories on Leamore Lane between Dudleys Fields & Beechdale, plus the northern section of Bloxwich Lane, how would they be served if the 70 was withdrawn completely?
Or how about running a route Walsall to Bloxwich Lane, turn right at Leamore Lane, left at KFC into Somerfield Road, continue into Bloxwich then a one way circle around Dudleys Fields like the 25 does!)
How much have they shaved off the cannock - walsall journey time then? To be honeat anything that makes it quicker could be a viable alternative to the train
The North Birmingham changes are listed here:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/North_Birmingham_changes.aspx
Remarkably 'low-key' I must say, compared to other reviews. Still, now I see 'Matthew McKenzie' on my Facebook page has made himself look silly, as the only change to the 71A has been to introduce a 'summer timetable'. ::)
Quote from: Stu on May 13, 2013, 07:42:56 PM
The North Birmingham changes are listed here:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/North_Birmingham_changes.aspx
Still, now I see 'Matthew McKenzie' on my Facebook page has made himself look silly, as the only change to the 71A has been to introduce a 'summer timetable'. ::)
Stu, I think that's one on many.....
What a big disappointing Bus Review, the revision back in August 2010 was bigger than this, there's no mention of service 28 which I'm really surprised about, my 907 route looks like it's still been neglected again unless "New timetables with minor changes to improve reliability" means more buses and a much needed increased peak frequency which I doubt. I bet there will be further changes by April 2014.
Thank you to everybody on this forum who answered some of my queries on the North Birmingham Bus Review, much appreciated
Seems good to me living in Pheasey, i've now got a 997,934 to walsall and 936 to brownhills with much better links to Streetly
So to summarise the main route revisions of the review...
* The Birmingham express to Pheasey/Streetly corridor is changing again (934/935/936/997)
* The 66/66A are being cut short
* The 654 is extended to replace the 46 in Aston.
Otherwise, they're pretty trivial route changes or timetable changes, which either means the network is good as it is (in the companies views), or it's a half hearted review. It seems strange it took an extra 2 months to decide these changes, when so little seems to be actually changing.
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 13, 2013, 07:42:56 PM
The North Birmingham changes are listed here:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/North_Birmingham_changes.aspx
Still, now I see 'Matthew McKenzie' on my Facebook page has made himself look silly, as the only change to the 71A has been to introduce a 'summer timetable'. ::)
Stu, I think that's one on many.....
He stated that the 71A would be withdrawn, and the 71 rerouted to cover, and that AG would receive two extra buses to do so. He also claimed (as part of the 'network planning team') that the changes would 'blow everyone away'. I'm yet to be so. :P
Im amazed the old 68 hasnt been brought back, the demand seems huge... at least on here anyway!
I wonder on the 66 if they have stated it will be every 20 mins between Bham - Kingstanding. Does that now mean they will make it every 10 mins between Bham - Erdington. That is not quite clear i can't imagine cutting the whole route down to every 20 mins.
Quote from: Stu on May 13, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 13, 2013, 07:42:56 PM
The North Birmingham changes are listed here:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/North_Birmingham_changes.aspx
Still, now I see 'Matthew McKenzie' on my Facebook page has made himself look silly, as the only change to the 71A has been to introduce a 'summer timetable'. ::)
Stu, I think that's one on many.....
He stated that the 71A would be withdrawn, and the 71 rerouted to cover, and that AG would receive two extra buses to do so. He also claimed (as part of the 'network planning team') that the changes would 'blow everyone away'. I'm yet to be so. :P
He is a liar and and fantasist best ignored
Hi tony do you know how much quicker the X51 is going to be btwn cannock & walsall? As I use it regular for my companys head office for training etc so would be a bonus
I would summarise it thus:
- even more routes in north Birmingham now go to Walsall
- still no reasonable connection to star city
- still no reasonable replacement for the 123 (not counting the 40x) between handsworth and Aston
- still no reasonable service through Perry beeches of an evening and Sunday, and if the rumours are to be believed the daytime route is getting worse
- still no connection from the Perry Common / Kingstanding area to good hope
Still... At least people in Pheasey have a decent bus network, so we should all be happy.....
(sarcasm intended)
Quote from: bob on May 13, 2013, 09:30:48 PM
Hi tony do you know how much quicker the X51 is going to be btwn cannock & walsall? As I use it regular for my companys head office for training etc so would be a bonus
No sorry, I haven't seen any more details than have already been mentioned on here
Quote from: Tony on May 13, 2013, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 13, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 13, 2013, 07:42:56 PM
The North Birmingham changes are listed here:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/North_Birmingham_changes.aspx
Still, now I see 'Matthew McKenzie' on my Facebook page has made himself look silly, as the only change to the 71A has been to introduce a 'summer timetable'. ::)
Stu, I think that's one on many.....
He stated that the 71A would be withdrawn, and the 71 rerouted to cover, and that AG would receive two extra buses to do so. He also claimed (as part of the 'network planning team') that the changes would 'blow everyone away'. I'm yet to be so. :P
He is a liar and and fantasist best ignored
But Tony, did you not realize all the hard work he put in on NXWM's behalf towards the bus review ;D ;D ;D
Matthew Reppin Mckenzie Ahah so diamond dropped route56...and nxwm get my idea of 936. So obviousely diamond know they loose out, when they know I was involved lol.
Matthew Reppin Mckenzie Really? there is no mention of service 56 in the network review also on the plans service 65 was to extend to sutton via court lane, chester road and jockey road and this not on there?
Matthew Reppin Mckenzie Ahah jeeehz this is ONE big mess AHAH. I'll get some clarity in morning, as if they changed service at last minute, then what was the point of me working on the work i did if its now not being put into operation!
Would the extended 934 be continued to be run by PB. Would nice to see toothpaste Enviros in Walsall :-)
Where's the suggestion that the 654 is being extended come from? It states on the list there are no changes
Quote from: Kevin on May 14, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
Where's the suggestion that the 654 is being extended come from? It states on the list there are no changes
"654 Aston - Perry Barr - Hamstead via Handsworth Wood NXWM New timetable to improve reliability. Service extended from Perry Barr to Aston to cover changes to the 46."
Copy and pasted directly from the website linked earlier.
Quote from: s-m-991 on May 14, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
Would the extended 934 be continued to be run by PB. Would nice to see toothpaste Enviros in Walsall :-)
Its moving to Walsall according to the drivers I know at PB
Quote from: vinh1000 on May 14, 2013, 01:52:48 AM
Quote from: s-m-991 on May 14, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
Would the extended 934 be continued to be run by PB. Would nice to see toothpaste Enviros in Walsall :-)
Its moving to Walsall according to the drivers I know at PB
Tony has already said Walsall will be running the 934
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
Quote from: Kevin on May 14, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
Where's the suggestion that the 654 is being extended come from? It states on the list there are no changes
"654 Aston - Perry Barr - Hamstead via Handsworth Wood NXWM New timetable to improve reliability. Service extended from Perry Barr to Aston to cover changes to the 46."
Copy and pasted directly from the website linked earlier.
In my defense I was looking at this link which says no change, and perhaps wrongly assumed that both lists would be the same: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/09June2013.aspx
However, now I have seen both links, I'm even more intruiged as to how badly they f***** up.... 66 every 20 mins, 66A only sutton to erdington, how exactly is that any benefit to people travelling to Nechells and star city in the slightest? In fact how then can they really call it the 66A when it has very little left in common with the 66?
"Service 654 will be extended to cover this section of route providing a new link between Hampstead and Aston via Perry Barr" Wow, a new link that will take about an hour, yeah really useful
I have to say I think it's rubbish, can only see little benefits for a small amount of people, and things are either the same or worse for a fair few others
Quote from: s-m-991 on May 14, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
Would the extended 934 be continued to be run by PB. Would nice to see toothpaste Enviros in Walsall :-)
It will be run by WA garage.
Quote from: Kevin on May 14, 2013, 06:56:20 AM
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
Quote from: Kevin on May 14, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
Where's the suggestion that the 654 is being extended come from? It states on the list there are no changes
However, now I have seen both links, I'm even more intruiged as to how badly they f***** up.... 66 every 20 mins, 66A only sutton to erdington, how exactly is that any benefit to people travelling to Nechells and star city in the slightest? In fact how then can they really call it the 66A when it has very little left in common with the 66?
I have to say I think it's rubbish, can only see little benefits for a small amount of people, and things are either the same or worse for a fair few others
I'm assuming with 66 it will be every 10 minutes between City and erdington with the extension every 20mins. Would be very surprised if whole route on the city side cut to 20 mins. however could be wrong, looks like a large cost cutting excercise for PB garage. (indirectly of course).
I was expecting more changes to be honest, like a direct route between Perry Beeches & Sutton Coldfield
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 14, 2013, 07:55:20 AM
Quote from: s-m-991 on May 14, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
Would the extended 934 be continued to be run by PB. Would nice to see toothpaste Enviros in Walsall :-)
It will be run by WA garage.
Any transfers from PB to WA to cover?
Its nice to see NX coming back to certain corridors, but why did they withdraw in the first place?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 14, 2013, 08:42:18 AM
Quote from: Kevin on May 14, 2013, 06:56:20 AM
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
Quote from: Kevin on May 14, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
Where's the suggestion that the 654 is being extended come from? It states on the list there are no changes
However, now I have seen both links, I'm even more intruiged as to how badly they f***** up.... 66 every 20 mins, 66A only sutton to erdington, how exactly is that any benefit to people travelling to Nechells and star city in the slightest? In fact how then can they really call it the 66A when it has very little left in common with the 66?
I have to say I think it's rubbish, can only see little benefits for a small amount of people, and things are either the same or worse for a fair few others
I'm assuming with 66 it will be every 10 minutes between City and erdington with the extension every 20mins. Would be very surprised if whole route on the city side cut to 20 mins. however could be wrong, looks like a large cost cutting excercise for PB garage. (indirectly of course).
But then surely the 66A could be a 20 min frequency and run the whole way to the city
What's the difference between the 935A and 936 :-/
Quote from: Shaun on May 14, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
What's the difference between the 935A and 936 :-/
Taking a guess, Hundred Acre Estate?
Quote from: Shaun on May 14, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
What's the difference between the 935A and 936 :-/
The route in brownhills, and possibly the 936 heading through Pheasey, or have I read that wrong?
I was hoping part of the 68 re-istasted.by withdrawing 71A/638 combing them as one route operating
Sutton-Walmley-Castle Vale-Fort shopping park-Pype Hayes-Erdington
Message went out on WA radio this morning stating that route training for the 934 and 936 is being done this weekend, so that pretty much wraps up the fact that both routes are running from Walsall.
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 05:51:55 PM
Message went out on WA radio this morning stating that route training for the 934 and 936 is being done this weekend, so that pretty much wraps up the fact that both routes are running from Walsall.
Already Confirmed on here anyway.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 14, 2013, 06:08:35 PM
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 05:51:55 PM
Message went out on WA radio this morning stating that route training for the 934 and 936 is being done this weekend, so that pretty much wraps up the fact that both routes are running from Walsall.
Already Confirmed on here anyway.
Just double confirming it.
Regarding the new stop on the X51, at Perry Avenue (the Alexander stadium).
I actually would have thought if they were going to put a new stop in it would have been the stop before at Rocky Lane, seems to make more sense to me and still by the stadium
Still intrigued to know if the Coventry Scanias will upgrade some routes in the review.
Quote from: Kevin on May 16, 2013, 07:46:24 AM
Regarding the new stop on the X51, at Perry Avenue (the Alexander stadium).
I actually would have thought if they were going to put a new stop in it would have been the stop before at Rocky Lane, seems to make more sense to me and still by the stadium
I personally do not see why they are introducing an extra stop. Peak journeys often leave people behind in Birmingham (PM) or at Tower Hill (AM), so surely this additional stop is just going to see people left at Alexander Stadium (although there's plenty of alternatives), or worse see travellers for Walsall left in Birmingham when there is the 952 alternative for the Alexander Stadium/Tower Hill.
Quote from: notepanel on May 16, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: Kevin on May 16, 2013, 07:46:24 AM
Regarding the new stop on the X51, at Perry Avenue (the Alexander stadium).
I actually would have thought if they were going to put a new stop in it would have been the stop before at Rocky Lane, seems to make more sense to me and still by the stadium
I personally do not see why they are introducing an extra stop. Peak journeys often leave people behind in Birmingham (PM) or at Tower Hill (AM), so surely this additional stop is just going to see people left at Alexander Stadium (although there's plenty of alternatives), or worse see travellers for Walsall left in Birmingham when there is the 952 alternative for the Alexander Stadium/Tower Hill.
The Additional stop is to help 51 out on Sundays when events on at Alexandra Stadium. I Agree with the commnets Peak Hour (AM) will be unaable to stop
Quote from: lynx1103 on May 16, 2013, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: notepanel on May 16, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: Kevin on May 16, 2013, 07:46:24 AM
Regarding the new stop on the X51, at Perry Avenue (the Alexander stadium).
I actually would have thought if they were going to put a new stop in it would have been the stop before at Rocky Lane, seems to make more sense to me and still by the stadium
I personally do not see why they are introducing an extra stop. Peak journeys often leave people behind in Birmingham (PM) or at Tower Hill (AM), so surely this additional stop is just going to see people left at Alexander Stadium (although there's plenty of alternatives), or worse see travellers for Walsall left in Birmingham when there is the 952 alternative for the Alexander Stadium/Tower Hill.
The Additional stop is to help 51 out on Sundays when events on at Alexandra Stadium. I Agree with the commnets Peak Hour (AM) will be unaable to stop
I'll be honest they could quite easily put on more X51 short workings, to my knowledge there's only one atm, in the am peak
I think that an extra stop on the x51 is not brilliant currently its a fantastic fast service! I personally would like to see even more peak journeys added to the route and I honestly think that we will see an evening service added at some point in the future (could just be wishful thinking). I think its also a shame to reduce the 51 frequency on a sunday I think it should be increased rather than decreased. its a very busy and well looked after corridor but I just think it needs more services adding as its always getting busier!
Quote from: dannygill on May 16, 2013, 09:47:35 PM
I think its also a shame to reduce the 51 frequency on a sunday I think it should be increased rather than decreased. its a very busy and well looked after corridor but I just think it needs more services adding as its always getting busier!
Not going to lie, dissapointed with a fair bit of the review, but this one takes the piss, actually quite angry with that
PDFs of timetables starting to appear here!
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/North_Birmingham_changes.aspx
I suppose any decrease on the frequency of the 51 on a sunday is due to the introduction of the recent X51 sunday workings as most shoppers will use this service as an alternative. An evening service on the X51 would be ideal or even just having it running later lets say until 9pm by then most workers or shoppers have returned home.
Quote from: Ash on May 16, 2013, 10:32:23 PM
I suppose any decrease on the frequency of the 51 on a sunday is due to the introduction of the recent X51 sunday workings as most shoppers will use this service as an alternative. An evening service on the X51 would be ideal or even just having it running later lets say until 9pm by then most workers or shoppers have returned home.
But even still, every time I get the 51 on a sunday it's rammed, makes absolutely no sense to reducing it
Regarding 66/66A
66
Lost links between Maxted Road estate to New Oscott/Sutton Coldfield
Reduced Service Erdington-Birmingham Every 20 Mins the busiest part of the Route
66A
Erdington-Sutton Coldfield
Always thought the 66 Sutton-Erdington was busier than this side.
Unreliable service stuck in Chester Eoad que towards Erdington. This was regular on 111
I wonder if all these cuts PB is making does that mean it can invest in other "busy" services that I would say have been neglected i.e 94's 16 101 etc. I wrote to the RD (as was getting nowhere with customer service dept) to moan about the state of my local 94 service as was informed in an email that in the seceond half of the year would potenially being upgraded as in his word "is a key route in the network". Only time will tell.
Moan over.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/north-birmingham-service-changes-from-9th-june-2013
Info on NXwm site now.
Interesting to see that the 997 is being reduced back to half hourly between Walsall and Pheasey during off peak hours. I think this is the first time the frequency has dropped so low from Aldridge towards Birmingham though (although obviously the 936 will be there as well now). Should free up a few Leather Enviros
Looks like the route for the 936 is going to be a lot quicker than what is provided now between Brownhills, Aldridge & Birmingham by Diamond & NXWM The only thing I don't understand is why Diamond have not changed there 56 route, once people start using the 936 the 56 will lose most of its customers, because the route & timetable offer no limted stop and take to long.
Another thing I have noticed with this review, and that I seem to remember reading not long back off NXWM, is the increased use of School Holiday timetables. So far it is known the 997 has journeys 5 minutes quicker during holiday periods & the 66A will operate a Saturday timetable on weekdays during these times.
I remember reading before, they were also looking at the possibility of Friday only timetables.
Just a thought, but anyone remember what the 951 used to be like? First stop Scott arms, then extra stops added at tower hill, cliveden road and Newtown. Pardon me for being pessimistic but... Extra stop now added onto the X51? Genuinely hope it doesn't all go tits up, and doubt it will because the loadings have always been good on it, no matter what day or time of day, but ...
The 51 used to be every 10 minutes on Sundays, and the 33 every 15, then they reduced the 51 frequency and upped the 33 frequency to every 12 minutes, to create a co-ordinated frequency, I can understand the 33 frequency being lowered, as it isn't as busy a route as the 51, but the 51 is a heavily used service, even on Sundays, I guess they're trying to keep the 33 & 51 co-ordinated
Quote from: Shaun on May 19, 2013, 09:57:31 PM
The 51 used to be every 10 minutes on Sundays, and the 33 every 15, then they reduced the 51 frequency and upped the 33 frequency to every 12 minutes, to create a co-ordinated frequency, I can understand the 33 frequency being lowered, as it isn't as busy a route as the 51, but the 51 is a heavily used service, even on Sundays, I guess they're trying to keep the 33 & 51 co-ordinated
I don't understand why they do that, to me it's kind of like when they coordinated the 62 and 63 to longbridge, the 63 was far more well used than the 62, as is the case with the 33 and 51. If anything I would have thought they'd up the 33 frequency to match a 10 minute 51 frequency, after all Pheasey is the centre of the universe and could do with a few more buses.....
Quote from: Kevin on May 18, 2013, 10:34:01 AM
Just a thought, but anyone remember what the 951 used to be like? First stop Scott arms, then extra stops added at tower hill, cliveden road and Newtown. Pardon me for being pessimistic but... Extra stop now added onto the X51? Genuinely hope it doesn't all go tits up, and doubt it will because the loadings have always been good on it, no matter what day or time of day, but ...
The 951 had far more stops than the X51 has now. It was never first stop Scott Arms in fact it always stopped at Perry Barr, intially the stop closest to the flyover, but later moved one stop towards the Scott Arms. The 951 and X51 have always stopped at Tower Hill, it has never been added, in fact that is and has always been one of the busiest stops on the route.
A couple of extra X51s to and from cannock wouldve been great but hey ho... on the plus side at least nx arent withdrawing from cannock completely which is what I thought would happen. ...
Quote from: Shaun on May 19, 2013, 09:57:31 PM
The 51 used to be every 10 minutes on Sundays, and the 33 every 15, then they reduced the 51 frequency and upped the 33 frequency to every 12 minutes, to create a co-ordinated frequency, I can understand the 33 frequency being lowered, as it isn't as busy a route as the 51, but the 51 is a heavily used service, even on Sundays, I guess they're trying to keep the 33 & 51 co-ordinated
The number of buses between Walsall & Birmingham hasn't been reduced though because the X51 was added on Sundays
Most of the timetables for the North Birmingham review are on the NXWM website, the one thing that stands out for me is the 936 seems to take 8 mins longer going into the City than it does coming from the City
Quote from: woody38 on May 20, 2013, 07:22:34 PM
Most of the timetables for the North Birmingham review are on the NXWM website, the one thing that stands out for me is the 936 seems to take 8 mins longer going into the City than it does coming from the City
They are a bit slow putting them on the NWM version though, plus on the NX version, the X51 is incomplete!
According to the timetable, there are no 934 afternoon peak services towards Walsall ???
Quote from: Tony on May 20, 2013, 09:50:48 AM
Quote from: Kevin on May 18, 2013, 10:34:01 AM
Just a thought, but anyone remember what the 951 used to be like? First stop Scott arms, then extra stops added at tower hill, cliveden road and Newtown. Pardon me for being pessimistic but... Extra stop now added onto the X51? Genuinely hope it doesn't all go tits up, and doubt it will because the loadings have always been good on it, no matter what day or time of day, but ...
The 951 had far more stops than the X51 has now. It was never first stop Scott Arms in fact it always stopped at Perry Barr, intially the stop closest to the flyover, but later moved one stop towards the Scott Arms. The 951 and X51 have always stopped at Tower Hill, it has never been added, in fact that is and has always been one of the busiest stops on the route.
I'm aware you work for them and know everything but...
Damn sure the 951 used to be first stop Scott Arms, because I remember the Tower Hill stop being added and being excited about it at the time. No offense but im not sure I made up the memory of being excited like that
Oh wow, just seen the new timetables they have up so far.....
.... speechless.... Nechells suddenly has less buses during the day and even less in the peak hour!!!
How... just how.... so many people use it in the morning peak out of town and evening peak from town... staggering
I feel a fair portion of my bank holiday weekend will be spent formulating my complaint, I genuinely am stuggling to find anything in the review of benefit to anyone except those in Pheasey
Just back after a weeks holiday, and all i can say,
IS THAT IT?
In earlier bus reviews there have been lenty of new routes and altered timetables, this one has left me thinking, was it worth the review?
Quote from: Westy on May 20, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: woody38 on May 20, 2013, 07:22:34 PM
Most of the timetables for the North Birmingham review are on the NXWM website, the one thing that stands out for me is the 936 seems to take 8 mins longer going into the City than it does coming from the City
They are a bit slow putting them on the NWM version though, plus on the NX version, the X51 is incomplete!
Fixed now!
Central Buses to continue running the 28 (Erdington to Dyas Road), It was put on Facebook as follows :
"Good News ! Following passenger feedback, we have decided to reinstate our 28 service previously earmarked for withdrawal from 9th June. We will be extending our operating period throughout the afternoon aswell as introducing a Saturday service"
This is the best news we've had since the waste of time "North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield Review (really the North Birmingham and Pheasey Review)". Now we don't have to depend on that unreliable NXWM 28 service......Thank goodness for that !!!!
I heard yesterday that the plans for the 952 to go down Foden Road have been scrapped, from someone I know who lives on Foden Road.
Quote from: John on May 22, 2013, 04:47:58 PM
I heard yesterday that the plans for the 952 to go down Foden Road have been scrapped, from someone I know who lives on Foden Road.
If its true then im glad its changed before the service started and them having to find out the hard way
What will the 934-6 be operated by until the new E400s arrive?
Quote from: Shaun on May 28, 2013, 10:31:17 PM
What will the 934-6 be operated by until the new E400s arrive?
It is not definate that 4880-4 are for Walsall, it seems like they are but with the Coventry ones already entering service, they might appear around the 10th June. If any later then Tridents or Geminis or Enviro400s might appear, if they are for Walsall. If not, Perry Barr might transfer a few Enviro400s for the 934.
Street parties taking place even as I post to welcome the introduction of the changes resulting from the North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield Review aka The Pheasey Review. Actually the majority of people in North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield are totally underwhelmed by the changes and are struggling to identify the changes and how they will improve their travel experience! This has to be the weakest review undertaken to date.
Intriguingly, most buses running through Perry Barr are not run by Perry Barr garage... Only the 33, 907, 952, 46 and 654... And yet PB operate the 94... Anyone else see a lack of logic?
Quote from: Kevin on June 09, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
Intriguingly, most buses running through Perry Barr are not run by Perry Barr garage... Only the 33, 907, 952, 46 and 654... And yet PB operate the 94... Anyone else see a lack of logic?
The 7 runs pretty close too.
Quote from: Kevin on June 09, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
Intriguingly, most buses running through Perry Barr are not run by Perry Barr garage... Only the 33, 907, 952, 46 and 654... And yet PB operate the 94... Anyone else see a lack of logic?
No, plenty of logic. If the 11, 51, X51, 934; 935; 936; 997 were run by Perry Barr, which routes other than the 94 would you move out and to which garage?
Which routes would you then put into Walsall? The 94? All those routes apart from the 936 also go to Walsall/Acocks Green who operate them
Not in the slightest bit saying PB should run them all, just intrigued by the fact that they run a bus route that doesn't really cone near to the garage when there's so many running past the garage run by another
Quote from: RW on June 09, 2013, 02:41:10 PM
Street parties taking place even as I post to welcome the introduction of the changes resulting from the North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield Review aka The Pheasey Review. Actually the majority of people in North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield are totally underwhelmed by the changes and are struggling to identify the changes and how they will improve their travel experience! This has to be the weakest review undertaken to date.
have to agree that it has been a very weak review, are we to take it that the people of North Birmingham & Sutton Coldfield are so happy with there bus services, they didn't want any changes?
Maybe if AG ran the 94, we would see much better presented bus on the route to compete with Claribels. Sorry but I couldn't resist.
Oh, and by the way, the residents and workforce of Nechells are not all that happy with the changes....
With the 934 now ran by Walsall, it seems that the OmniCitys are now sticking to the 907, both today and yesterday the majority of them were on there
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 08:41:20 PM
With the 934 now ran by Walsall, it seems that the OmniCitys are now sticking to the 907, both today and yesterday the majority of them were on there
That's good, the 907 deserves good buses, in my opinion
Quote from: Shaun on June 11, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 08:41:20 PM
With the 934 now ran by Walsall, it seems that the OmniCitys are now sticking to the 907, both today and yesterday the majority of them were on there
That's good, the 907 deserves good buses, in my opinion
Agreed, the 907 could do with some good buses (so lets get the omnicitys of there and put the 07 plate Enviros on there) ;)
Quote from: Lukeee on June 11, 2013, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 11, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 08:41:20 PM
With the 934 now ran by Walsall, it seems that the OmniCitys are now sticking to the 907, both today and yesterday the majority of them were on there
That's good, the 907 deserves good buses, in my opinion
Agreed, the 907 could do with some good buses (so lets get the omnicitys of there and put the 07 plate Enviros on there) ;)
Yes, have noticed the omnicities on the 907, although granted this afternoon I also saw an omnilink which seemed a little unusual
Quote from: Kevin on June 11, 2013, 10:04:19 PM
Yes, have noticed the omnicities on the 907, although granted this afternoon I also saw an omnilink which seemed a little unusual
The OmniLinks appear more at peak times, but one might sneak onto all day workings quite often
I think, if new buses arrive for the Sutton Lines, 4698, 4718-4732 to WB for the 127-9, I wish ::)
Quote from: Shaun on June 11, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
I think, if new buses arrive for the Sutton Lines, 4698, 4718-4732 to WB for the 127-9, I wish ::)
I wonder if Pensnett might gain some of these if they ever leave Perry Barr as what was rumoured a while back
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 11, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
I think, if new buses arrive for the Sutton Lines, 4698, 4718-4732 to WB for the 127-9, I wish ::)
I wonder if Pensnett might gain some of these if they ever leave Perry Barr as what was rumoured a while back
I think PB may well retain the remaining 05/57 Enviro if they are replaced on the Sutton Lines and cascade within, they could be re-furbished for upgrading the 94 or 16.
Other than the two 55 plate seed vehicles 4697 & 4698, PB's next newest buses after the first batch of Enviros are the 2003 03/53 plate Geminis which are now 10 years old
I'd love to see them transfer to PE, but just can't see it happening at present, the Birmingham garages with older double deckers will be priority for now
Hands off our toothpaste!
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2013, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 11, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
I think, if new buses arrive for the Sutton Lines, 4698, 4718-4732 to WB for the 127-9, I wish ::)
I wonder if Pensnett might gain some of these if they ever leave Perry Barr as what was rumoured a while back
I think PB may well retain the remaining 05/57 Enviro if they are replaced on the Sutton Lines and cascade within, they could be re-furbished for upgrading the 94 or 16.
Other than the two 55 plate seed vehicles 4697 & 4698, PB's next newest buses after the first batch of Enviros are the 2003 03/53 plate Geminis which are now 10 years old
I'd love to see them transfer to PE, but just can't see it happening at present, the Birmingham garages with older double deckers will be priority for now
Either that or PB Geminis will be cascaded to WB, withdrawing further Mercs and/or B6LEs. This would also mean 4698, 4718-4732 would have to be used on standard double decker PB routes, I'm unaware whether there are enough toothpaste Enviros for both the 16 & 94, although upgrade these routes would be a good idea. The toothpaste Enviros at WB was simply a fantasy, but surely we are due new deckers next year.
Quote from: Shaun on June 12, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2013, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 11, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
I think, if new buses arrive for the Sutton Lines, 4698, 4718-4732 to WB for the 127-9, I wish ::)
I wonder if Pensnett might gain some of these if they ever leave Perry Barr as what was rumoured a while back
I think PB may well retain the remaining 05/57 Enviro if they are replaced on the Sutton Lines and cascade within, they could be re-furbished for upgrading the 94 or 16.
Other than the two 55 plate seed vehicles 4697 & 4698, PB's next newest buses after the first batch of Enviros are the 2003 03/53 plate Geminis which are now 10 years old
I'd love to see them transfer to PE, but just can't see it happening at present, the Birmingham garages with older double deckers will be priority for now
Either that or PB Geminis will be cascaded to WB, withdrawing further Mercs and/or B6LEs. This would also mean 4698, 4718-4732 would have to be used on standard double decker PB routes, I'm unaware whether there are enough toothpaste Enviros for both the 16 & 94, although upgrade these routes would be a good idea. The toothpaste Enviros at WB was simply a fantasy, but surely we are due new deckers next year.
Problem with that is, if PB were to loose more of its remaining 30 x 03/53 plate Gemini, there would be quite a big gap in the ages of its double decker fleet, other than the two 55 plate seed vehicles (4697 & 4698) a few 03/53 plate Gemini that stay the next batch is the 50 x 51/02 plate ALX400's. But if so of those were to go WB, they would then have a large batch of those which are now 11/12 years old.
I doubt 15 toothpaste Enviros would convert both the 16 & 94, it would be one or the other.
I think NXWM need to consider distributing some of the larger batches of older buses around the various garages a bit more evenly, we currently have as follows:
48 x Mercs R-V reg (14/15 years old) @ PE representing 42% of total allocation
58 x Volvo B7TL/Presidents V/W-reg (13/14 years old) @ AG representing 40.5% of total allocation
65 x Trident/ALX400 Y-reg (12 years old) @ BC representing 30% of total allocation
50 x Volvo/ALX400 51/02-reg (11/12 years old) @ PB representing 27% of total allocation
56 x Trident/ALX400 51/02/52-reg (10/11 years old) @ YW representing 41% of total allocation
75 x Trident/Transbus ALX400 53/04/54-reg (9/10years old) @ WN representing 37% of total allocation
Large proportions of those garage allocations will all be of the same age, reliability & breakdowns will be more apparent and large quantities will need replacing in over a short period of time. As the issue mainly affects the decker fleet, I assume the problem has been exaggerated by the B'Ham City Centre Emission zone requirements & the lack of new double deck deliveries in quantity during 2005 / 06 / 08 / 09 & 2010. Obviously in there were small qunatities in 2005, 2006, 2008 & 2009
I'm not sure that the LEZ would have anything to do with it though, as there are less than 120 double deckers affected, it was only really BC that had to loose theirs, as all of their routes go into Birmingham City Centre. I think the next two years will be very interesting with vehicle movements and orders. Especially with Volvo and ADL having new or face lifted models coming out.
What do people think of the 934 & 936?
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 12:07:58 AM
What do people think of the 934 & 936?
Have the loadings on Diamonds 56 been being affected by NXWM's new 936 service?
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2013, 12:13:41 AM
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 12:07:58 AM
What do people think of the 934 & 936?
Have the loadings on Diamonds 56 been being affected by NXWM's new 936 service?
Not from what I've seen. One dart in Kingstanding running the 56 with standing patronage. This was Monday however, so people are probably still getting used to the 936
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 12:16:22 AM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2013, 12:13:41 AM
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 12:07:58 AM
What do people think of the 934 & 936?
Have the loadings on Diamonds 56 been being affected by NXWM's new 936 service?
Not from what I've seen. One dart in Kingstanding running the 56 with standing patronage. This was Monday however, so people are probably still getting used to the 936
Probably best to give it until the end of June at least to guage its impact. Was the Diamond Dart an MPD ;D
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 11, 2013, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: RW on June 09, 2013, 02:41:10 PM
Street parties taking place even as I post to welcome the introduction of the changes resulting from the North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield Review aka The Pheasey Review. Actually the majority of people in North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield are totally underwhelmed by the changes and are struggling to identify the changes and how they will improve their travel experience! This has to be the weakest review undertaken to date.
have to agree that it has been a very weak review, are we to take it that the people of North Birmingham & Sutton Coldfield are so happy with there bus services, they didn't want any changes?
Surely there are more changes to come? The only benefitted areas are Kingstanding & Pheasey.
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 12:20:53 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 11, 2013, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: RW on June 09, 2013, 02:41:10 PM
Street parties taking place even as I post to welcome the introduction of the changes resulting from the North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield Review aka The Pheasey Review. Actually the majority of people in North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield are totally underwhelmed by the changes and are struggling to identify the changes and how they will improve their travel experience! This has to be the weakest review undertaken to date.
have to agree that it has been a very weak review, are we to take it that the people of North Birmingham & Sutton Coldfield are so happy with there bus services, they didn't want any changes?
Surely there are more changes to come? The only benefitted areas are Kingstanding & Pheasey.
You'd think so, everyone other than people living in Kingstanding & Pheasey surely can't be happy with the bus services they get.....
I wasn't expecting the extent of changes that we've seen in Sandwell & Coventry, but I thought it would have amounted to more than it eventually did, especially given it was delayed
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2013, 12:24:27 AM
I wasn't expecting the extent of changes that we've seen in Sandwell & Coventry, but I thought it would have amounted to more than it eventually did, especially given it was delayed
That's what I don't particularly understand, why they had to delay it when there wasn't that many changes. The only other reason I can imagine for delaying would be because someone, somewhere, forgot, and even for NWM I think that's a bit far-fetched
Maybe they reviewed those areas and nothing needed changing apart from Kingstanding and Pheasey.
Anyone else notice how Deers Leap now doesn't have a direct link to Kingstanding?
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 09:51:31 PM
Anyone else notice how Deers Leap now doesn't have a direct link to Kingstanding?
i the 33 i thought, not fast but does the job.
Have all the 935 buses been Debranded or is it just me ? Sorry off topic
Quote from: NathanJC on June 13, 2013, 10:02:45 PM
Have all the 935 buses been Debranded or is it just me ? Sorry off topic
Yes 4876-4879 have been debranded from the 935 Nathan :)
Quote from: NathanJC on June 13, 2013, 10:02:45 PM
Have all the 935 buses been Debranded or is it just me ? Sorry off topic
Yes Nathan they have. I'm guessing new branding for the 934/5/6 may be in the pipeline
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 09:51:31 PM
Anyone else notice how Deers Leap now doesn't have a direct link to Kingstanding?
No service to Barr Beacon evening & Sunday now is there?
What about that concert coming up on Barr Beacon soon?
Quote from: Westy on June 13, 2013, 10:24:34 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 09:51:31 PM
Anyone else notice how Deers Leap now doesn't have a direct link to Kingstanding?
No service to Barr Beacon evening & Sunday now is there?
What about that concert coming up on Barr Beacon soon?
I was wondering about that, I was expecting the 934 shorts to terminate at Barr Beacon
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 12:20:53 AM
Actually the majority of people in North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield are totally underwhelmed by the changes and are struggling to identify the changes and how they will improve their travel experience!
I've identified a change! The combined 115/914 departures from The Square Peg used to be every 15 minutes, now the pattern is 20 / 10 / 20 / 10. Yep, hanging around the Square Peg for an extra 5 minutes - I'm totally underwhelmed by that "improvement" to my travel experience ....... ::)
Quote from: Ossie on June 13, 2013, 10:31:26 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 12:20:53 AM
Actually the majority of people in North Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield are totally underwhelmed by the changes and are struggling to identify the changes and how they will improve their travel experience!
I've identified a change! The combined 115/914 departures from The Square Peg used to be every 15 minutes, now the pattern is 20 / 10 / 20 / 10. Yep, hanging around the Square Peg for an extra 5 minutes - I'm totally underwhelmed by that "improvement" to my travel experience ....... ::)
I was expecting at least earlier buses on the 907 on Sunday, the earliest arrival is 10:25, surely there is demand for it
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 10:37:23 PM
I was expecting at least earlier buses on the 907 on Sunday, the earliest arrival is 10:25, surely there is demand for it
Lol, there being a demand for something doesn't necessarily mean it will happen, take night buses as an example. Sunday mornings are a joke for getting anywhere, its quicker for me to walk the 5 miles to work than to attempt it by bus.
Quote from: Gareth on June 13, 2013, 09:41:01 PM
Maybe they reviewed those areas and nothing needed changing apart from Kingstanding and Pheasey.
Entirely plausible, but personally struggling with that idea
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 09:51:31 PM
Anyone else notice how Deers Leap now doesn't have a direct link to Kingstanding?
The 33 goes right past the front door of the Dears Leap
Is that the Old Dears' Leap ;)
On Tuesday, one of the 71s I saw (2118 I think) loaded at its old stop in Sutton, letting people on who obviously had not read the very large notice in the shelter that the 71 has moved stands. It then drove straight past the new stand clearly marked with the 71 on the flag. People waiting at the new stop were standing in the middle of the road waving it down, the driver had a puzzled look on his face and drove right on. All the other 71 drivers were aware of the new stop, and NXWM inspectors were directing passengers to the new stop
I notice Diamond are changing timetables of the 56 from 2nd Sep, wonder if this is in response to 936??