South Birmingham Consultation 2017

[Mike K]

According to the NX website the X20 etc now serve all stops along Holloway Head, Bath Row and Wheeleys Road outbound - which means none of them are very Limited Stop at all in that direction:

https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/south-birmingham-service-changes/service-x20-

I'm still confused by these are they / aren't they express one way routes.

[MasterPlan]

Making it up as they go along here...

[2206]

According to the NX website the X20 etc now serve all stops along Holloway Head, Bath Row and Wheeleys Road outbound - which means none of them are very Limited Stop at all in that direction:

https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/south-birmingham-service-changes/service-x20-

I'm still confused by these are they / aren't they express one way routes.

And it seems they'll be stopping at all stops inbound aswell it seems, upon request at the stop by Edgbaston Old Church, the stop by the ring road on the Bristol Road and by O2 Acadamy inbound.

[Mike K]

On a separate but related note, it looks like work is underway on the George Road / Bath Row bus gate. I know the X21 is due to use this in-bound, will be interesting to see if the X20/22 will too.

[MasterPlan]

On a separate but related note, it looks like work is underway on the George Road / Bath Row bus gate. I know the X21 is due to use this in-bound, will be interesting to see if the X20/22 will too.

I heard today it's hoped that the work will be finished by September.

As for Bath Row, I don't see why these services need to serve it any more than they already do. Pretty sure an every 10 min 80/A can cope with the other stops. Don't think they need to serve all of the stops on Wheeleys Road either.

[Sh4318]

According to the NX website the X20 etc now serve all stops along Holloway Head, Bath Row and Wheeleys Road outbound - which means none of them are very Limited Stop at all in that direction:

https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/south-birmingham-service-changes/service-x20-

I'm still confused by these are they / aren't they express one way routes.

It's just getting comical at this point.

I think I already know the answer, but will B7RLEs gain branding for the X21?

[MasterPlan]

I noticed on the University branding that it states "Up to every 5 mins", but how is that? Surely they'd all have to be every 15 mins for that to be the case?

[Sh4318]

I noticed on the University branding that it states "Up to every 5 mins", but how is that? Surely they'd all have to be every 15 mins for that to be the case?

Technically with the every 15 minute frequency of the X21, you're bound to get only a 5 minute gap between every 10 minute (combined) services on the X20/X22

[MasterPlan]

Technically with the every 15 minute frequency of the X21, you're bound to get only a 5 minute gap between every 10 minute (combined) services on the X20/X22

I suppose so, yeah.

Going back to the topic of reinstated stops, it seems like the stops on Kemberton Road inbound, despite what the next stop announcements on the X21 say. They need to reinstate the stops on Harborne Lane adjacent to Gibbins Road though. People are always wanting to use them and they're right by the Battery Retail Park.
Also I can't see why the X21 couldn't have served Bartley Green. The link between Bartley Green and Weoley Castle / Selly Oak has stood for ages, and I cannot see what purpose cutting short at Woodcock Hill does anyone.

[2206]

Technically with the every 15 minute frequency of the X21, you're bound to get only a 5 minute gap between every 10 minute (combined) services on the X20/X22

No, it doesn't.
X20/X21/X22 timetabled departures from the QE to the City Centre  -
10:56, 11:06, 11:10, 11:16, 11:25, 11:26, 11:36, 11:40, 11:46, 11:55, 11:56, 12:06.
You can see this by looking at the timetable:
- 10 minute gap between 10:56 and 11:06.
- 9 minute gap between 11:16 and 11:25.
- 10 minute gap between 11:26 and 11:36.

[Sh4318]

No, it doesn't.
X20/X21/X22 timetabled departures from the QE to the City Centre  -
10:56, 11:06, 11:10, 11:16, 11:25, 11:26, 11:36, 11:40, 11:46, 11:55, 11:56, 12:06.
You can see this by looking at the timetable:
- 10 minute gap between 10:56 and 11:06.
- 9 minute gap between 11:16 and 11:25.
- 10 minute gap between 11:26 and 11:36.

In the opposite direction, it does

[2206]

In the opposite direction, it does

It doesn't because you can't make a combined every 5 minute frequency from a bus every 10 and and a bus every 15 minutes.
eg -
there's a 10 minute gap between the 11:10 X22 and 11:20 X20 and X21 (Which leave at the same time) from the City Centre.

[Sh4318]

It doesn't because you can't make a combined every 5 minute frequency from a bus every 10 and and a bus every 15 minutes.
eg -
there's a 10 minute gap between the 11:10 X22 and 11:20 X20 and X21 (Which leave at the same time) from the City Centre.

X21: 05, 20, 35, 50
X20/X22: 00, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50

up to every 5 minutes

[2206]

X21: 05, 20, 35, 50
X20/X22: 00, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50

up to every 5 minutes

Yeah but there is:
a 10 minute gap between 11:10 and 11:20, 11:20 and 11:30, as well as 11:40 and 11:50.
So they aren't "up to every 5 minutes."

[Sh4318]

Yeah but there is:
a 10 minute gap between 11:10 and 11:20, 11:20 and 11:30, as well as 11:40 and 11:50.
So they aren't "up to every 5 minutes."

You know what 'up to' means right?