South Birmingham Consultation 2017

[Dom]

The old 21 Bangham Pit terminus was a short distance away at the junction of Moors Lane and Genners Lane, by Bartley Reservoir. The bus lay-by is still there - buses turned around using the small 'island' that is at the intersection of the two roads.

The one by Newman University?

[MasterPlan]

The old 21 Bangham Pit terminus was a short distance away at the junction of Moors Lane and Genners Lane, by Bartley Reservoir. The bus lay-by is still there - buses turned around using the small 'island' that is at the intersection of the two roads.

Ah yeah I know where you mean. Yeah it's still there, the 18 goes around it I believe.

[Brummie45]

I disagree With this about the nbus. Why should these people have to pay a few £ extra each month? In that area of Birmingham nx have a monopoly so is it worth paying an extra few £ just to use one service. Furthermore did claribels market the route well enough?

East Birmingham changes were good in my opinion. Those who moaned about the changes didn't use other operators buses when they were rerouted to cover for NXWM changes.. This proves NXWM were right to implement changes.

Bus companies are there to make money not to run routes at a loss.

[Squiz1971]

Also, I thought it was the 61 that displayed Gannow previously?

@MasterPlan, yes many years ago before the 61 was re-routed to serve Great Park & before being curtailed back to Holly Lane, the 61 & the old 963 (64) terminated at Gannow by the Lickey Banker IIRC

[2206]

Was Woodcock Hill the old 21E terminus? I can't remember!

Also, I thought it was the 61 that displayed Gannow previously?

I'm sure I remember seeing them on Corporation Street with 61 Gannow on the display -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hhhumber/3309973512/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/30379081182/in/photolist-sMMUrW-cAj3t1-NhuJrL
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcw1987/16805437683/

[sonic84]

I'm sure I remember seeing them on Corporation Street with 61 Gannow on the display -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hhhumber/3309973512/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/30379081182/in/photolist-sMMUrW-cAj3t1-NhuJrL
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcw1987/16805437683/

Yes it was the 61 which terminated at Gannow until October 2009 when it was extended to Rubery Great Park. By July 2010 the terminus was amended to Frankley Arden Road.

I'm sure I remember seeing them on Corporation Street with 61 Gannow on the display -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hhhumber/3309973512/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/30379081182/in/photolist-sMMUrW-cAj3t1-NhuJrL
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcw1987/16805437683/

[Steve3229vp]

The timetable for the 1 and 1A is now online, the strange thing is that the 1 and 1A combine to provide a bus every 10 minutes on Monday to Friday and ALSO Sundays, but only every 15 minutes on Saturdays, could it be that they've got Saturday and Sunday the wrong way around !
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/SouthBirminghamNewTimetables/B001_22Jul18.pdf

[Dom]

Love how the 61 has the same late night running time (32 mins) as the X61. Difficult to do it on time as a limited stop route nevermind full stopping.

[B.C Driver]

Love how the 61 has the same late night running time (32 mins) as the X61. Difficult to do it on time as a limited stop route nevermind full stopping.

That doesnt make sense. I still think the X61 should have been given an extra chance, it needed more buses during daytimes, every 15 mins during peak times from city wasnt good enough, and using the bypass at Selly Oak didnt help as the 63 would often beat the X61 and it seperated the two routes for most of Selly Oak which didnt help passengers.

[Dom]

That doesnt make sense. I still think the X61 should have been given an extra chance, it needed more buses during daytimes, every 15 mins during peak times from city wasnt good enough, and using the bypass at Selly Oak didnt help as the 63 would often beat the X61 and it seperated the two routes for most of Selly Oak which didnt help passengers.

100% agree! The X61 on paper is a successful route but the lack of frequency killed it. I agree with Selly Oak, using that bypass can be worse than going up the high street. Especially at the moment with the road works at the bottom of Selly Oak. Partly down to the refusal to divert the X61 the same way as the 63 just because of it missing 1 stop (Aston Webb Boulevard). Noticed also how the 61 is serving Selly Oak.

It was destined to fail just by the lack of commitment shown to the route.

[Kevin]

100% agree! The X61 on paper is a successful route but the lack of frequency killed it.....
It was destined to fail just by the lack of commitment shown to the route.

I think it's fair to say that also the poor frequency of the remaining all stops service didn't help, 63 should have had more buses at least to Northfield

[MasterPlan]

The timetable for the 1 and 1A is now online, the strange thing is that the 1 and 1A combine to provide a bus every 10 minutes on Monday to Friday and ALSO Sundays, but only every 15 minutes on Saturdays, could it be that they've got Saturday and Sunday the wrong way around !
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/SouthBirminghamNewTimetables/B001_22Jul18.pdf

It says the 1A will go via the Bristol Road to the QE. I don't know that route all that well but can't it just go left at Church Road onto Edgbaston Park Road and join the X20s?

[Tony]

It says the 1A will go via the Bristol Road to the QE. I don't know that route all that well but can't it just go left at Church Road onto Edgbaston Park Road and join the X20s?

No, because the 1 is terminating there it will be using the Bus Station to turn around. The X20 is passing through so will go up the other side

[MasterPlan]

No, because the 1 is terminating there it will be using the Bus Station to turn around. The X20 is passing through so will go up the other side

Yeah I know that but it could still get to the QE that way like the 98 and X64 do now. Or is the Bristol Road quicker?

[2206]

No, because the 1 is terminating there it will be using the Bus Station to turn around. The X20 is passing through so will go up the other side

But he's asking why it couldn't turn left at Edgbaston Old Church (not the QE), and serve Edgbaston Park Road instead of the Bristol Road.