Boxing Day 2013

[Tony]

Didn't realise Centro paid for all the services. I just assumed the commercial services at NX are run commercially on Boxing Day

They pay for the tendered stuff, over the odds as the contracts originally didn't specify boxing day as a day of operation, hence why arriva have presumably refused or asked centro for more money than greenbus wanted to run them for the day.

So not the NX evening journeys as you stated above.  We all know you are anti NX,  right down to encouraging cowboy illegal operation.  See Joes Travel thread.  But there is no need to lie about them

[4747]

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I'm surprised they're running the 54A, no-one will be using that
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I'd hazard a guess it's running at Centro's behest

[PM]

Didn't realise Centro paid for all the services. I just assumed the commercial services at NX are run commercially on Boxing Day

They pay for the tendered stuff, over the odds as the contracts originally didn't specify boxing day as a day of operation, hence why arriva have presumably refused or asked centro for more money than greenbus wanted to run them for the day.

So not the NX evening journeys as you stated above.  We all know you are anti NX,  right down to encouraging cowboy illegal operation.  See Joes Travel thread.  But there is no need to lie about them

I never mentioned the NX evening journies-I don't even know what's happening about the evening journeys. My original post was "Not an NX innovation seeing as centro are actually paying for services to run on that day on many routes." Ie NX cannot solely take the credit for it seeing as centro are paying for many tendered routes to be run, so clearly it is not just NX.

I am not "anti-NX" at all and I encourage competition which you say is ALLEGEDLY cowboy/illegal operation. So I haven't lied about them.

If you're still thinking NX didn't do similar things in the 80s to get into the position they are in now then watch this video...

[Sh4318]

Eventually Boxing Day services will be abolished and full Sunday timetables will be ran in place of them. This will probably happen next year

[Liverpool Street]

Eventually Boxing Day services will be abolished and full Sunday timetables will be ran in place of them. This will probably happen next year

That'll won't be a day off for drivers either I bet!

Didn't realise Centro paid for all the services. I just assumed the commercial services at NX are run commercially on Boxing Day

They pay for the tendered stuff, over the odds as the contracts originally didn't specify boxing day as a day of operation, hence why arriva have presumably refused or asked centro for more money than greenbus wanted to run them for the day.

So not the NX evening journeys as you stated above.  We all know you are anti NX,  right down to encouraging cowboy illegal operation.  See Joes Travel thread.  But there is no need to lie about them

I never mentioned the NX evening journies-I don't even know what's happening about the evening journeys. My original post was "Not an NX innovation seeing as centro are actually paying for services to run on that day on many routes." Ie NX cannot solely take the credit for it seeing as centro are paying for many tendered routes to be run, so clearly it is not just NX.

I am not "anti-NX" at all and I encourage competition which you say is ALLEGEDLY cowboy/illegal operation. So I haven't lied about them.

If you're still thinking NX didn't do similar things in the 80s to get into the position they are in now then watch this video...

Great video. Takes me way back.

[Tony]

Didn't realise Centro paid for all the services. I just assumed the commercial services at NX are run commercially on Boxing Day

They pay for the tendered stuff, over the odds as the contracts originally didn't specify boxing day as a day of operation, hence why arriva have presumably refused or asked centro for more money than greenbus wanted to run them for the day.

So not the NX evening journeys as you stated above.  We all know you are anti NX,  right down to encouraging cowboy illegal operation.  See Joes Travel thread.  But there is no need to lie about them

I never mentioned the NX evening journies-I don't even know what's happening about the evening journeys. My original post was "Not an NX innovation seeing as centro are actually paying for services to run on that day on many routes." Ie NX cannot solely take the credit for it seeing as centro are paying for many tendered routes to be run, so clearly it is not just NX.

I am not "anti-NX" at all and I encourage competition which you say is ALLEGEDLY cowboy/illegal operation. So I haven't lied about them.

If you're still thinking NX didn't do similar things in the 80s to get into the position they are in now then watch this video...

An empty Joe's Travel on the 11A turned around in Harborne to pick up passengers on Green Lane waiting for an 11C to Bearwood, about an hour ago... And it was still a quicker journey than NX ;D

Surely that shouldn't be allowed, a bus can't just leave the route its on to pick passengers up of another route. If every company started to do that we would have chaos.

Makes money though... And those passengers had a shorter wait...

True and does another operator out of money

Think the "other" company in question do well enough as it is with their turnover figures...

And to be fair, LS how can any operator hope to compete successfully within the rules?

That was your quote in the Joes Travel

Do you think 'Iceland' should be able to set up in front of Tesco's without planning permission as well because The current supermarket operator 'makes enough money' as well? What's the difference? If Joes Travel wants to run 1 minute in front of NX all he has to do is register 1 minute in front. What Joe's Travel did was illegal, same as building an unauthorised supermarket.

Now tell me what is illegal in that video. TWM had the 50 registered as Frequent service which means as long as 6 buses run in any hour with a gap no longer than 15 minutes they were running as registered

[Stu]

Getting back to topic...  ::)

It's true that in recent years, Boxing Day saw a skeleton service, and up until last year there were no buses after approx 7pm.

I guess its down to supply and demand. More people are going out on Boxing Day, not just to go shopping, but to go to work, or to visit friends and family. Last year was the first time that NX ran some services after 7pm, and it must have proved a success, as well as the daytime passenger loadings, otherwise we wouldn't see the increased level of service being provided this year.

It will be interesting to see just how successful these services will be again this year on Boxing Day, and that will determine what happens again on Boxing Day in 2014.

[Liverpool Street]

Well NX coaches are running CHRISTMAS DAY! I'm disgusted at NX at that desicion.

But its in exact retrospect from what you've stated above, Stu.

[PM]

Didn't realise Centro paid for all the services. I just assumed the commercial services at NX are run commercially on Boxing Day

They pay for the tendered stuff, over the odds as the contracts originally didn't specify boxing day as a day of operation, hence why arriva have presumably refused or asked centro for more money than greenbus wanted to run them for the day.

So not the NX evening journeys as you stated above.  We all know you are anti NX,  right down to encouraging cowboy illegal operation.  See Joes Travel thread.  But there is no need to lie about them

I never mentioned the NX evening journies-I don't even know what's happening about the evening journeys. My original post was "Not an NX innovation seeing as centro are actually paying for services to run on that day on many routes." Ie NX cannot solely take the credit for it seeing as centro are paying for many tendered routes to be run, so clearly it is not just NX.

I am not "anti-NX" at all and I encourage competition which you say is ALLEGEDLY cowboy/illegal operation. So I haven't lied about them.

If you're still thinking NX didn't do similar things in the 80s to get into the position they are in now then watch this video...

An empty Joe's Travel on the 11A turned around in Harborne to pick up passengers on Green Lane waiting for an 11C to Bearwood, about an hour ago... And it was still a quicker journey than NX ;D

Surely that shouldn't be allowed, a bus can't just leave the route its on to pick passengers up of another route. If every company started to do that we would have chaos.

Makes money though... And those passengers had a shorter wait...

True and does another operator out of money

Think the "other" company in question do well enough as it is with their turnover figures...

And to be fair, LS how can any operator hope to compete successfully within the rules?

That was your quote in the Joes Travel

Do you think 'Iceland' should be able to set up in front of Tesco's without planning permission as well because The current supermarket operator 'makes enough money' as well? What's the difference? If Joes Travel wants to run 1 minute in front of NX all he has to do is register 1 minute in front. What Joe's Travel did was illegal, same as building an unauthorised supermarket.

Now tell me what is illegal in that video. TWM had the 50 registered as Frequent service which means as long as 6 buses run in any hour with a gap no longer than 15 minutes they were running as registered

Pretty sure popping out of side streets and putting extra buses on a route is against the rules: Cardiff Bus got massive fines for doing stuff like this, admittedly years later.

But getting back to topic I wonder if diamond will choose to run all the services out of one depot as opposed to some out of long acre and tividale as don't NX usually run some services from other garages or will this be different this year due to the scale of operations from all garages?

[Tony]

Pretty sure popping out of side streets and putting extra buses on a route is against the rules: Cardiff Bus got massive fines for doing stuff like this, admittedly years later.

Perhaps you should have been watching the 50 yesterday, one of the Utilities decided to dig a hole in Kings Heath and protect it with four way temporary traffic lights. Buses were running up to one hour late. All 3 operators were turning at all sorts of places and no doubt popping out in front of each other. If you saw a Diamond suddenly turn at Maypole and then find itself 30 seconds in front of a NX or Green Bus would you be posting about Diamond doing naughty things?

[PM]

Pretty sure popping out of side streets and putting extra buses on a route is against the rules: Cardiff Bus got massive fines for doing stuff like this, admittedly years later.

Perhaps you should have been watching the 50 yesterday, one of the Utilities decided to dig a hole in Kings Heath and protect it with four way temporary traffic lights. Buses were running up to one hour late. All 3 operators were turning at all sorts of places and no doubt popping out in front of each other. If you saw a Diamond suddenly turn at Maypole and then find itself 30 seconds in front of a NX or Green Bus would you be posting about Diamond doing naughty things?

Unofrtunately I'm not in Birmingham to be able to observe but I do know the 50/35 have been in chaos recently. There have been a lot of updates about it....Yes that is probably true but don't think this video is about this...

[Kevin]

Throwing my two pence worth in here before it veers hideously off topic...

I'm all for a reasonable service on Boxing day, its not just for people going to the sales... For example, my boxing day last year:
Go to work (via city centre - as with everyday) in the morning (was effectively a Sunday shift for us)
Go to Sutton Park for a bit of a walk
Go see some friends in Kingstanding for a drink
Go back home
6 buses, no shopping done
Times are changing unfortunately, not everyone spends boxing day at home all day with family, much in the same way that people would use the bus at 3 in the morning if it existed

[Ex BC driver]

Well NX coaches are running CHRISTMAS DAY! I'm disgusted at NX at that desicion.

But its in exact retrospect from what you've stated above, Stu.

Selwyns are operating some of the NX coaches from what I've heard.

[Sh4318]

Something I'm a bit confused about, on the NWM website, it states that the 120 will be running a normal Sunday service after 19:00 on Boxing Day, on the NXWM website, the 120 isn't listed as one of the routes that runs after 19:00

[Trident 4609]

Something I'm a bit confused about, on the NWM website, it states that the 120 will be running a normal Sunday service after 19:00 on Boxing Day, on the NXWM website, the 120 isn't listed as one of the routes that runs after 19:00

Same with WN services. Although not stated on the NX website WN routes 1,2,59 and 79 will operate after 7PM along with the 126 and 529 that are listed