Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
56-56A Brownhills West-Birmingham
59-59H Wolverhampton-Ashmore Park
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
82A Balsall Comman-Solihull
332 Walsall Circular
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
47 Coventry-Canley Station
41 Coventry Circular
Most of these are blue diamond aswell in my opinion merging the two companies together and sticking with the black diamond name as its seems the more sucessful part of the group or calling it just diamond and use to the garages both long acre and tividale and allocate certain service to each garage to eliminate dead mileage for one as services like the 16 and 50 would be better working out of long acre than tividale, have u got the link to the vosa website woody38 as i cant find an up to date one stating these changes thanks
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
56-56A Brownhills West-Birmingham
59-59H Wolverhampton-Ashmore Park
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
82A Balsall Comman-Solihull
332 Walsall Circular
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
47 Coventry-Canley Station
41 Coventry Circular
The 37/56/97 certainly makes sense as it seems clear at the moment that Diamond do not have enough buses that will meet the emissions requirements from January 2013 for all their City Centre routes, and certainly having seen some of the loadings on their 37 service recently they can't be making much on there, and I imagine NXWM wouldn't have to put on any extra buses to cope.
Wonder about the 30 though, and whether another operator will take it over and have a go, though I think it might only survive as a peak-time 'school service', as that seemed to be the only times (when I travelled on it when operated by NXWM) it ever had any full loads.
Oh, and the VOSA site is here: http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/VOSA_SelfServiceOpBusRegSearch_New.asp
The 56 in the daytime is commercial and they have just got the hybrids for the service and is very popular so why withdraw it
Quote from: Stu on August 28, 2012, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
56-56A Brownhills West-Birmingham
59-59H Wolverhampton-Ashmore Park
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
82A Balsall Comman-Solihull
332 Walsall Circular
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
47 Coventry-Canley Station
41 Coventry Circular
The 37/56/97 certainly makes sense as it seems clear at the moment that Diamond do not have enough buses that will meet the emissions requirements from January 2013 for all their City Centre routes, and certainly having seen some of the loadings on their 37 service recently they can't be making much on there, and I imagine NXWM wouldn't have to put on any extra buses to cope.
Wonder about the 30 though, and whether another operator will take it over and have a go, though I think it might only survive as a peak-time 'school service', as that seemed to be the only times (when I travelled on it when operated by NXWM) it ever had any full loads.
Oh, and the VOSA site is here: http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/VOSA_SelfServiceOpBusRegSearch_New.asp
Most of these are as a result of the October tender changes, now they are appearing here I can put on the odd ones I mentioned earlier. The 56A evenings has been won by NXWM (yes they do win some tenders!) they will be operated as 935As, see the route/timetable change for that also registered today.
The Arriva route, that they have not won the tender for is the 33A, Walsall to Brownhills which you will notice has been regsiered by Diamond.
So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....
Quote from: Peter123 on August 28, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....
I be surprised if it included the commercial journeys, it's probably just the tendered journeys that NXWM have won and are of the same registration
Quote from: Winston on August 28, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on August 28, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....
I be surprised if it included the commercial journeys, it's probably just the tendered journeys that NXWM have won and are of the same registration
Yeah Winston i would think your right im suprised there leaving the 97 though as its an ex petes travel service and has been operated for long time now by diamond and its predecessors. I guess this will cause a mass withdrawal.
Fair enough thanks for the info tho glad 37/97 going-they should add 17 to the list as well
Quote from: Peter123 on August 28, 2012, 08:48:59 PM
Fair enough thanks for the info tho glad 37/97 going-they should add 17 to the list as well
Rotala are obviously finding it tough to make decent returns of some of their commercial services and can't justify the cost of upgrading the fleet to meet the minimum Euro 3 requirements in Jan 2013. I always thought the 97 did alright loading wise, I knew the 37 didn't carry very many passengers
With Rolata also loosing the 30 & 82A, I wonder where those Signature branded vehicles may end up?
Might transfer to black diamond for the 16 to meet emmission requirements on that service
Quote from: Peter123 on August 28, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....
Vosa definately has all journies deregistered.
Here is their registration history on the 56
.The last change which was on 22-JUL-2012 was to the commercial journies. This registration PD0001374/43 has now been cancelled completely
Change number registered effective from
PD0001374/43 12 Registered 25-MAY-2012 22-JUL-2012
PD0001374/43 11 Registered 5 -JAN-2012 29-JAN-2012
PD0001374/43 10 Registered 6 -DEC-2010 6 -DEC-2010
PD0001374/43 9 Registered 26-FEB-2010 25-APR-2010
PD0001374/43 8 Registered 27-AUG-2009 25-OCT-2009
PD0001374/43 7 Registered 23-FEB-2009 26-APR-2009
PD0001374/43 6 Registered 7 -NOV-2008 4 -JAN-2009
PD0001374/43 5 Registered 12-MAR-2008 1 -JUN-2008
PD0001374/43 4 Registered 13-JUL-2007 8 -SEP-2007
PD0001374/43 3 Registered 6 -JUL-2007 2 -SEP-2007
PD0001374/43 2 Registered 8 -MAR-2007 29-APR-2007
PD0001374/43 1 Registered 1 -MAR-2007 29-APR-2007
PD0001374/43 0 Registered 24-FEB-2006 27-FEB-2006
If they only meant to cancel the tendered journies it should have been a variation, not a cancellation. So it is one of three things
1) They have deregistered the commercial journies
2) Someone at Diamond has messed up and accidently cancelled everything
3) They have done a variation, but VOSA have recorded it as a cancellation
Tony
Mmmm thats odd-tho if its diamond i wouldnt rule out a mistake. I cant help feeling tho that diamond is being badly mismanaged...
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2012, 09:02:14 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on August 28, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....
Vosa definately has all journies deregistered.
Here is their registration history on the 56
.The last change which was on 22-JUL-2012 was to the commercial journies. This registration PD0001374/43 has now been cancelled completely
Change number registered effective from
PD0001374/43 12 Registered 25-MAY-2012 22-JUL-2012
PD0001374/43 11 Registered 5 -JAN-2012 29-JAN-2012
PD0001374/43 10 Registered 6 -DEC-2010 6 -DEC-2010
PD0001374/43 9 Registered 26-FEB-2010 25-APR-2010
PD0001374/43 8 Registered 27-AUG-2009 25-OCT-2009
PD0001374/43 7 Registered 23-FEB-2009 26-APR-2009
PD0001374/43 6 Registered 7 -NOV-2008 4 -JAN-2009
PD0001374/43 5 Registered 12-MAR-2008 1 -JUN-2008
PD0001374/43 4 Registered 13-JUL-2007 8 -SEP-2007
PD0001374/43 3 Registered 6 -JUL-2007 2 -SEP-2007
PD0001374/43 2 Registered 8 -MAR-2007 29-APR-2007
PD0001374/43 1 Registered 1 -MAR-2007 29-APR-2007
PD0001374/43 0 Registered 24-FEB-2006 27-FEB-2006
If they only meant to cancel the tendered journies it should have been a variation, not a cancellation. So it is one of three things
1) They have deregistered the commercial journies
2) Someone at Diamond has messed up and accidently cancelled everything
3) They have done a variation, but VOSA have recorded it as a cancellation
Tony
Thanks for that Tony,
I thought that there were numerous complaints from passengers when the Hybrid Versa's operated the route due to insufficient capacity. Surely it's got to be a mistake; if not could be an opportunity for NXWM
Is there a link to vosa stating these changes i cant find them on the website thanks
Quote from: Ash on August 28, 2012, 09:38:58 PM
Is there a link to vosa stating these changes i cant find them on the website thanks
http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/VOSA_SelfServiceOpBusRegSearch_New.asp
Change registration/application types to view all
Select West Midlands traffic area
& todays date
Quote from: Ash on August 28, 2012, 09:38:58 PM
Is there a link to vosa stating these changes i cant find them on the website thanks
Ash:
I find the best way is to go to the link that Stu put on earlier, then select "View All" in the drop down box. Then tick on "West Midland Traffic Area" and leave the date as today, then click on the "Search" button.
Thanks for your help Winston and D10 will try that now
Diamond have been advertising for new drivers on the back of their buses surely with the loss of these contracts some of the drivers will lose their jobs as there wont be enough work to go around, i stand corrected if someone has a different solution.
Quote from: Winston on August 28, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on August 28, 2012, 08:48:59 PM
Fair enough thanks for the info tho glad 37/97 going-they should add 17 to the list as well
Rotala are obviously finding it tough to make decent returns of some of their commercial services and can't justify the cost of upgrading the fleet to meet the minimum Euro 3 requirements in Jan 2013. I always thought the 97 did alright loading wise, I knew the 37 didn't carry very many passengers
With Rolata also loosing the 30 & 82A, I wonder where those Signature branded vehicles may end up?
The 82A is a scholday variation of the 82 so I assume that this journey will just operate as a normal 82.
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
56-56A Brownhills West-Birmingham
59-59H Wolverhampton-Ashmore Park
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
82A Balsall Comman-Solihull
332 Walsall Circular
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
47 Coventry-Canley Station
41 Coventry Circular
Blue Diamond have cancelled the Coventry 30 today as well on VOSA
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2012, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 28, 2012, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
56-56A Brownhills West-Birmingham
59-59H Wolverhampton-Ashmore Park
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
82A Balsall Comman-Solihull
332 Walsall Circular
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
47 Coventry-Canley Station
41 Coventry Circular
The 37/56/97 certainly makes sense as it seems clear at the moment that Diamond do not have enough buses that will meet the emissions requirements from January 2013 for all their City Centre routes, and certainly having seen some of the loadings on their 37 service recently they can't be making much on there, and I imagine NXWM wouldn't have to put on any extra buses to cope.
Wonder about the 30 though, and whether another operator will take it over and have a go, though I think it might only survive as a peak-time 'school service', as that seemed to be the only times (when I travelled on it when operated by NXWM) it ever had any full loads.
Oh, and the VOSA site is here: http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/VOSA_SelfServiceOpBusRegSearch_New.asp
Most of these are as a result of the October tender changes, now they are appearing here I can put on the odd ones I mentioned earlier. The 56A evenings has been won by NXWM (yes they do win some tenders!) they will be operated as 935As, see the route/timetable change for that also registered today.
The Arriva route, that they have not won the tender for is the 33A, Walsall to Brownhills which you will notice has been regsiered by Diamond.
Has the announcements been made though? and will the 935A run into brownhills or will it run a variation of the existing 935A into Walsall
The 935A will run through to Brownhills
Silverline would be the kind of operator to run the 30; maybe at peak times only though. No surprise over the 37 as it is just running empty these days. One of the 30 Versas came on the S2 yesterday so they're obviously sticking round on Signature.
Will diamond be trying out any more commercial services in replacement or will this allow diamond to withdraw its older vehicles and sort out its fleet also i mentioned previously diamond are advertising for more driver 'join our company etc' on the back of their buses surely with service cuts they will need less drivers not more ?
If Diamond are withdrawing the 56 daytime maybe arriva will take it on? they ran it for years before
What are the Dunnys up to ? Something fishy is going on?
Quote from: bob on August 29, 2012, 06:05:46 PM
If Diamond are withdrawing the 56 daytime maybe arriva will take it on? they ran it for years before
Centro are saying it was an error by Diamond, the daytime is not withdrawn, not quite sure how you accidently deregister a complete service, but that is what has apparently happened
I'll be interested to see what happens regarding the 167/168.
The 168 was extended to serve Pype Hayes estate when there was a huge outcry over the termination of the old NXWM 68A/C route. I don't know about the loadings at the Erdington end but it always seems pretty popular leaving Sutton town centre with weekday shoppers, as it does run round several housing estates that otherwise don't have services. I think the 167 is perhaps less well used.
Quote from: Ossie on August 29, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
I'll be interested to see what happens regarding the 167/168.
The 168 was extended to serve Pype Hayes estate when there was a huge outcry over the termination of the old NXWM 68A/C route. I don't know about the loadings at the Erdington end but it always seems pretty popular leaving Sutton town centre with weekday shoppers, as it does run round several housing estates that otherwise don't have services. I think the 167 is perhaps less well used.
Well I'm sure they were tendered? I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Arriva have won them. They used to operate these routes in the form of the old 165, 117 and 623 for many years and they wanted and won the 604 so I would imagine these tenders fit in for them? Does anyone know?
With the withdrawal of 59/59H I'm guessing it'll soon be the end of NXWM's day return ticket on the 59 ;D
Also I've noticed on the VOSA site it says Diamond have got the 26A.
I wonder if they gained this from Midland (who currently have the tender) or it's a a commercial operation in competition with NXWM's daytime 26.
Quote from: Discodave on August 29, 2012, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2012, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 28, 2012, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
56-56A Brownhills West-Birmingham
59-59H Wolverhampton-Ashmore Park
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
82A Balsall Comman-Solihull
332 Walsall Circular
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
47 Coventry-Canley Station
41 Coventry Circular
The 37/56/97 certainly makes sense as it seems clear at the moment that Diamond do not have enough buses that will meet the emissions requirements from January 2013 for all their City Centre routes, and certainly having seen some of the loadings on their 37 service recently they can't be making much on there, and I imagine NXWM wouldn't have to put on any extra buses to cope.
Wonder about the 30 though, and whether another operator will take it over and have a go, though I think it might only survive as a peak-time 'school service', as that seemed to be the only times (when I travelled on it when operated by NXWM) it ever had any full loads.
Oh, and the VOSA site is here: http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/VOSA_SelfServiceOpBusRegSearch_New.asp
Most of these are as a result of the October tender changes, now they are appearing here I can put on the odd ones I mentioned earlier. The 56A evenings has been won by NXWM (yes they do win some tenders!) they will be operated as 935As, see the route/timetable change for that also registered today.
The Arriva route, that they have not won the tender for is the 33A, Walsall to Brownhills which you will notice has been regsiered by Diamond.
Has the announcements been made though? and will the 935A run into brownhills or will it run a variation of the existing 935A into Walsall
Still no announcement on the Centro website,
But on VOSA today:
Hansons have cancelled the 240
Arriva have cancelled the 637 & 647
So they are obviously changing hands, also Green Bus are introducing a 125 Dudley - Wolves in competition with NXWM
Any other information on the Green Bus 125? They don't seem to have much success on the 558 so why are they introducing another route? \
Just thinking if the diamond withdrawal notice of the 56 is not a mistake then maybe it is being transferred onto the blue diamond operator license. Tho im sure most of us could deregister on vosa a route quite successfully making me ask the question: is diamond being run competently??
Not since steve bryce and the steven dunn are now at your bus plus the engineering manager all from tividale rotala are more interested in preston,wessex and yourbus
Quote from: Discodave on August 30, 2012, 02:09:38 PM
Not since steve bryce and the steven dunn are now at your bus plus the engineering manager all from tividale rotala are more interested in preston,wessex and yourbus
Agree with you here-wouldnt be surprised if yourbus was to become a rotala subsidary or were to buy premiere of nottingham to consolidate
Hansons have cancelled the 240 as it did`nt get put out to tender in the last round of bids due to poor user numbers.Only political pressure would save that particular route now i think.
Quote from: wilmotm on August 30, 2012, 01:33:10 PM
Any other information on the Green Bus 125? They don't seem to have much success on the 558 so why are they introducing another route? \
Only this at this stage,
PD1090982/23 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton, Victoria Street
Finish Point: Dudley Bus Station
Via:
Service Number: 125
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 22-OCT-2012
Other Details: School term time only.
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
167-168 Erdington-Sutton
82A Balsall Comman-Solihull
47 Coventry-Canley Station
41 Coventry Circular
Looking at the NWM site, West Midlands Special Needs Transport have won the above Centro tenders off Blue Diamond
Is there a window of opportunity lurking in the shires here ,because with their losses of Centro routes and the culling of several "commercial"? ones it would seem that there are alot of buses going to be available to do other work.
With the sandwell network review may be diamond will start operating more commerical services around Sandwell again after they failed on so many last time but with the new ammendments and service numbers it could be seen as an oppotunity. I think though diamond are just trimming down and getting rid of the non profitable services allowing some of the older vehicles to be withdrawn sadly this means 3/4 solos a day on the 404E but with the odd versa too so not too bad.
Quote from: hartshill busman on September 04, 2012, 11:56:12 PM
Is there a window of opportunity lurking in the shires here ,because with their losses of Centro routes and the culling of several "commercial"? ones it would seem that there are alot of buses going to be available to do other work.
Diamond currently have I think 23 redundant vehicles for sale, which include 13 x DAF/Wright Cadets 51/02 reg
Quote from: Winston on September 05, 2012, 12:30:54 AM
Quote from: hartshill busman on September 04, 2012, 11:56:12 PM
Is there a window of opportunity lurking in the shires here ,because with their losses of Centro routes and the culling of several "commercial"? ones it would seem that there are alot of buses going to be available to do other work.
Diamond currently have I think 23 redundant vehicles for sale, which include 13 x DAF/Wright Cadets 51/02 reg
Im shocked that there selling some of there best vehicles being the cadets and i doubt they will be replaced by newer vehicles of a similar size either the smaller darts are more solo's from Preston or from down south.
Quote from: Winston on September 05, 2012, 12:30:54 AM
Quote from: hartshill busman on September 04, 2012, 11:56:12 PM
Is there a window of opportunity lurking in the shires here ,because with their losses of Centro routes and the culling of several "commercial"? ones it would seem that there are alot of buses going to be available to do other work.
Diamond currently have I think 23 redundant vehicles for sale, which include 13 x DAF/Wright Cadets 51/02 reg
They would fit in with Arrivas fleet if they would be intrested in second hand buses these actually are the best ones and would get rid of some of the midland darts and solos plus daf is only acrross the road in case of any major provlems
They should add 17 to that list though I think good they withdraw 37 as its most of the time empty
Good the 123 still running :D
Isn't the 123 tendered though
I agree-arriva may be interested in buying the cadets-many of them even have the arriva interior colour scheme. DOnt know why on earth they are selling these buses. Surely the idea was to get rid of 21 of the oldest buses-tho I guess that wouldnt raise as much cash
The cadets are good buses to travel on but do make some strange noises squeaking from what seems to be the body work and most of them keep going up and down and not keep still when at a stop dont wether have a faulty low floor system, but 30211 has just been repainted may be after the incident with the enviro 400 on the 50 a few weeks back.
Where are they for sale?
Quote from: Peter123 on September 05, 2012, 06:32:15 PM
Where are they for sale?
Rotala seem to be trying to sell them direct, here is the full list if you fancy buying one
TBA 2005 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Long Acre £35,000
TBA 2005 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Long Acre £35,000
BU53AWP 01/09/2003 Mercedes Benz 411 CDI Sprinter 14 3 Avonmouth £13,500
BU53AWR 01/09/2003 Mercedes Benz 411 CDI Sprinter 14 3 Avonmouth £13,500
YD02PZJ 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZK 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZL 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZM 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZN 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZO 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YJ51EKM 26/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKB 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKD 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKE 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKF 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKG 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
Y283HUA 01/04/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £20,000
X808NWX 01/09/2000 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £14,000
X639AKW 01/09/2000 Dennis Dart 10.7m Plaxton Pointer 2 39 Diamond - Tividale £14,000
W447DOP 08/03/2000 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Diamond - Tividale £12,500
W446DOP 08/03/2000 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Diamond - Tividale £12,500
Noticed on the NWM Service Change PDF file that they say its Blue Diamond's 30 service in Coventry that's being withdrawn, and no mention of the 30 service in Solihull, so did they cock that one up with VOSA also? ::)
Well done for finding out tho I cant find the list could you post a link? Cheers
If all these vehicles are getting sold on what will be replacing them, as at the moment the cadets are used on the 16/301/404E and replacing them with solo's or smaller darts is not good as the capacity of them are too low and the older darts are worn out altough have higher capacity than the smaller vehicles. Would the money raised from the sales pay for investments into new vehicles for some services.
Quote from: Peter123 on September 05, 2012, 07:35:17 PM
Well done for finding out tho I cant find the list could you post a link? Cheers
Hope this works Peter:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/BusServiceChanges/ServiceChanges211012.pdf
Thats good D10 but I was interested in Tony's list of rotala buses for sale because i also read that some esteems are also for sale from preston so just interested where the list was
YJ51EKA has not been listed so must be being kept the only cadet not listed unless its been in an incident and being scrapped or something like that.
Quote from: Ash on September 05, 2012, 09:23:40 PM
YJ51EKA has not been listed so must be being kept the only cadet not listed unless its been in an incident and being scrapped or something like that.
Written off for scrap after an accident last month. will be on the august fleetchanges when I have worked them all out
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2012, 09:24:38 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 05, 2012, 09:23:40 PM
YJ51EKA has not been listed so must be being kept the only cadet not listed unless its been in an incident and being scrapped or something like that.
Written off for scrap after an accident last month. will be on the august fleetchanges when I have worked them all out
Thanks Tony thought i havent saw it around for a while now i know why, alot of diamond buses seem to get involved in accidents and incidents recently.
Quote from: Ash on September 05, 2012, 09:27:47 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2012, 09:24:38 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 05, 2012, 09:23:40 PM
YJ51EKA has not been listed so must be being kept the only cadet not listed unless its been in an incident and being scrapped or something like that.
Written off for scrap after an accident last month. will be on the august fleetchanges when I have worked them all out
Thanks Tony thought i havent saw it around for a while now i know why, alot of diamond buses seem to get involved in accidents and incidents recently.
I agree-there seem to be a lot for a fleet that is about 1/9 of the sizeof NXWM it must have more than 1/9 as many accidents
As blue diamond are withdrawing the 37 and 97 the vehicles from these services may transfer over to black diamond replacing the vehicles currently on sale, but these vehicles have to be sold first. I would think some of the X...AKW and W...JNF darts could return to black diamond of where they once operated from.
Yeah because black diamond arent really withdrawing many routes-theyve won a couple of tenders, dropped the 59 so theyll probably need a few more buses to replace those that they are selling. Anyone got any thoughts on the prices??
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2012, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on September 05, 2012, 06:32:15 PM
Where are they for sale?
Rotala seem to be trying to sell them direct, here is the full list if you fancy buying one
TBA 2005 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Long Acre £35,000
TBA 2005 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Long Acre £35,000
BU53AWP 01/09/2003 Mercedes Benz 411 CDI Sprinter 14 3 Avonmouth £13,500
BU53AWR 01/09/2003 Mercedes Benz 411 CDI Sprinter 14 3 Avonmouth £13,500
YD02PZJ 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZK 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZL 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZM 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZN 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZO 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YJ51EKM 26/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKB 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKD 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKE 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKF 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKG 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
Y283HUA 01/04/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £20,000
X808NWX 01/09/2000 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £14,000
X639AKW 01/09/2000 Dennis Dart 10.7m Plaxton Pointer 2 39 Diamond - Tividale £14,000
W447DOP 08/03/2000 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Diamond - Tividale £12,500
W446DOP 08/03/2000 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Diamond - Tividale £12,500
If I had the cash would buy the 02 and 51 plate ones they are in pretty good nick
Quote from: Discodave on September 06, 2012, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2012, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on September 05, 2012, 06:32:15 PM
Where are they for sale?
Rotala seem to be trying to sell them direct, here is the full list if you fancy buying one
TBA 2005 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Long Acre £35,000
TBA 2005 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Long Acre £35,000
BU53AWP 01/09/2003 Mercedes Benz 411 CDI Sprinter 14 3 Avonmouth £13,500
BU53AWR 01/09/2003 Mercedes Benz 411 CDI Sprinter 14 3 Avonmouth £13,500
YD02PZJ 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZK 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZL 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZM 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZN 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZO 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YJ51EKM 26/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKB 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKD 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKE 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKF 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKG 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
Y283HUA 01/04/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £20,000
X808NWX 01/09/2000 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £14,000
X639AKW 01/09/2000 Dennis Dart 10.7m Plaxton Pointer 2 39 Diamond - Tividale £14,000
W447DOP 08/03/2000 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Diamond - Tividale £12,500
W446DOP 08/03/2000 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Diamond - Tividale £12,500
If I had the cash would buy the 02 and 51 plate ones they are in pretty good nick
Me too. Id like the centros when they are withdrawn
Quote from: Discodave on September 06, 2012, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2012, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on September 05, 2012, 06:32:15 PM
Where are they for sale?
Rotala seem to be trying to sell them direct, here is the full list if you fancy buying one
TBA 2005 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Long Acre £35,000
TBA 2005 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Long Acre £35,000
BU53AWP 01/09/2003 Mercedes Benz 411 CDI Sprinter 14 3 Avonmouth £13,500
BU53AWR 01/09/2003 Mercedes Benz 411 CDI Sprinter 14 3 Avonmouth £13,500
YD02PZJ 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZK 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZL 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZM 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZN 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YD02PZO 08/05/2002 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £24,000
YJ51EKM 26/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKB 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKD 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKE 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKF 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
YJ51EKG 01/09/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £23,000
Y283HUA 01/04/2001 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £20,000
X808NWX 01/09/2000 DAF SB120 Wrights Cadet 39 13 Diamond - Tividale £14,000
X639AKW 01/09/2000 Dennis Dart 10.7m Plaxton Pointer 2 39 Diamond - Tividale £14,000
W447DOP 08/03/2000 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Diamond - Tividale £12,500
W446DOP 08/03/2000 Dennis Dart 8.8 m Mini Pointer Dart 29 17 Diamond - Tividale £12,500
If I had the cash would buy the 02 and 51 plate ones they are in pretty good nick
When ive travelled on the 02 reg ones they seem to make odd noises and sound like there going to break down at any minute but internally there very good and some have been refurned recently
Was on the H59/59 there was about 25 people on it by the time it reached Wolverhampton, Diamond seem to have quite a loyal following many times I have seen people let the NXWM bus go by and wait for the diamond bus. Diamond have been on the route for about 2 years now, the buses do seem much fuller than they used to be.
They also operate around the hospital as the 59H which NXWM have never done
Quote from: woody38 on September 07, 2012, 11:05:58 PM
Was on the H59/59 there was about 25 people on it by the time it reached Wolverhampton, Diamond seem to have quite a loyal following many times I have seen people let the NXWM bus go by and wait for the diamond bus. Diamond have been on the route for about 2 years now, the buses do seem much fuller than they used to be.
They also operate around the hospital as the 59H which NXWM have never done
The 59 route can't be doing that well otherwise it wouldn't be being withdrawn
Last time i saw the diamond 59 it was using solo's also the service doesnt use the bus station which surely must be a disadvantage to get higher loading numbers from Wolverhampton. At the moment tho the solo's get used on any diamond service not matter on how busy the service actually is.
with the sandwell review all diamond would be good for is solos as reading on other posts its just about sown up for NXWM no hope for anyone else so looks like bye bye for diamond they will be ripe for picking up by another company (black diamond/blue diamond) Arriva maybe?
If the cadets do get sold before the emmission regualtions take place what will be used on the 16 when the rule is brought in as solo's and smaller darts surely wont be suitable in terms of capacity for the service unless diamond are getting replacement vehicles if they get sold with the money they will get for them as the 50 has the centros and the 56 the versa's.
Wild stab in the dart but maybe some east lancs esteems from preston as apparently these may be leaving the fleet
I think if the esteems leave preston the reason will be because they have been brought but be good to see them being used with the west midlands on diamond services if stab in the dark becomes reality.
Quote from: Winston on August 28, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on August 28, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....
I be surprised if it included the commercial journeys, it's probably just the tendered journeys that NXWM have won and are of the same registration
So NX are operating the 56/A from whenever ?
Quote from: NathanJC on September 13, 2012, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: Winston on August 28, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on August 28, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....
I be surprised if it included the commercial journeys, it's probably just the tendered journeys that NXWM have won and are of the same registration
So NX are operating the 56/A from whenever ?
It is just the tendered NXWM are running it as a 935A as per the 56a route and times Tony has told us on another section can't remember where in October
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
Is there any replacements for these services and were will the Signature buses end up off the 30 ??
Quote from: NathanJC on September 27, 2012, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
Is there any replacements for these services and were will the Signature buses end up off the 30 ??
This tells you who has won what:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/BusServiceChanges/ServiceChanges211012.pdf
Quote from: Winston on September 27, 2012, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: NathanJC on September 27, 2012, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
Is there any replacements for these services and were will the Signature buses end up off the 30 ??
This tells you who has won what:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/BusServiceChanges/ServiceChanges211012.pdf
Ive read the 934 is being reduced so will it operate at Hourly frequency using 1 bus and work with the 935A 8)
Quote from: NathanJC on September 27, 2012, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: woody38 on August 28, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site
167-168Erdington-Sutton
97 Birmingham-Solihull
37 Birmingham-Solihull
30 Solihull-Accocks Green
Is there any replacements for these services and were will the Signature buses end up off the 30 ??
The 97 and 37 services are sufficiently served by NXWM, so no replacement needed.
The 30 service between Solihull and Acocks Green is not being withdrawn, that must have been a mistake, as its their 30 service in Coventry thats being withdrawn and taken over by Community Transport.
Quote from: wilmotm on August 30, 2012, 01:33:10 PM
Any other information on the Green Bus 125? They don't seem to have much success on the 558 so why are they introducing another route? \
Green Bus are running 125 between Wolverhampton and Dudley between about 9.30 and 3.00 to fit in with schools and avoid the need to go dead back across to depot - as the 558 used to.
The 558 is busy at times and based on passenger numbers to increase the frequency of the service - I think buses not running in school holidays in the past and only running 9 - 3 has had a negative effect. I have seen and heard people waiting to use Green Bus to pay £1. The move of bus stop away from the 126 and 1 stops in Dudley Bus Station to 3/4 stops further along hasn't helped but people are waiting at the new stop. I used the route 2 Saturdays ago about 2pm and asked the driver how it was going - it was his first time on the route so couldn't offer much of an opinion other than he taken almost £60 since 8.30
I wonder what effect going from distinctive smart, green buses to the red single deckers will have?
Well I was waiting for the Green Bus Number 558 in Dudley this afternoon and the driver pulled up with doors open, stopped for about 2 seconds at the most and drove off with the doors still open meaning I literally didn't get a chance to get on the bus, and I am a 18 year old so it was hardly like I was taking my time, wasn't very impressed at all, and you may have a point, seems even quieter now they are running those awful ex-London single deckers which I have been on but are so uncomfortable and noisy
with Green bus going on the 125 they will soon fail all what NXWM will do is flood the route with 126e buses like diamond always on infront into dudley and one back into wolverhampton
Yesterday everytime i saw a diamond 59/59H there were 1-3 passengers on there at most but today there were about 8-9 passengers on the first journey of the day today. At some points the diamond bus can get very busy like a few saturdays ago i saw a diamond bus on the 59 and it was absoloutley packed.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 30, 2012, 09:25:42 PM
Yesterday everytime i saw a diamond 59/59H there were 1-3 passengers on there at most but today there were about 8-9 passengers on the first journey of the day today. At some points the diamond bus can get very busy like a few saturdays ago i saw a diamond bus on the 59 and it was absoloutley packed.
I think the best route Diamond have is the 56 - But they give ridciulous allocation at Peak Times :(. Like this morning there was a Dennis Dart on the 56 completley full. Were as there is probally a Longer bsu wasting on another route
Diamond bus services dont seem to get the correct allocation of vehicle types needed for the loadings certain service carry, 417 gets centro's whilst the 404E mostly gets solo's or the smaller darts.
Quote from: NathanJC on October 01, 2012, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 30, 2012, 09:25:42 PM
Yesterday everytime i saw a diamond 59/59H there were 1-3 passengers on there at most but today there were about 8-9 passengers on the first journey of the day today. At some points the diamond bus can get very busy like a few saturdays ago i saw a diamond bus on the 59 and it was absoloutley packed.
I think the best route Diamond have is the 56 - But they give ridciulous allocation at Peak Times :(. Like this morning there was a Dennis Dart on the 56 completley full. Were as there is probally a Longer bsu wasting on another route
There used to be two MPDs allocated at peak times for additional trips in and out of the City. These would then go onto contract routes where a smaller bus is specified. These additional vehicles gave a frequency of 15 mins at busy times.
below is the link to changes to Diamond services from 20/10/2012
http://www.diamondbuses.com/getdoc/7c7c0608-1558-4871-83d8-09d112654a81/oct-changes.aspx
Quote from: woody38 on October 11, 2012, 04:22:38 PM
below is the link to changes to Diamond services from 20/10/2012
http://www.diamondbuses.com/getdoc/7c7c0608-1558-4871-83d8-09d112654a81/oct-changes.aspx
A couple of issues with there page for the changes to their service, they have put 2013 when it should say 2012 and have the 404E from going to West Bromwich to Yew Tree on the renumbering section.
Quote from: Ash on October 11, 2012, 06:16:08 PM
Quote from: woody38 on October 11, 2012, 04:22:38 PM
below is the link to changes to Diamond services from 20/10/2012
http://www.diamondbuses.com/getdoc/7c7c0608-1558-4871-83d8-09d112654a81/oct-changes.aspx
A couple of issues with there page for the changes to their service, they have put 2013 when it should say 2012 and have the 404E from going to West Bromwich to Yew Tree on the renumbering section.
They don't really have a clue do they??
I wonder if diamond will continue its evening services on the 404E or the new 4 service as i know there operating the 4M every 30 minutes on sundays so guess the other 2 buses will be on the 4 to make up the 15 minute frequency it currently has.