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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Walsall Bus Station given service number 335/336 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Stourbridge, Bus Station given service number 311/313 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route.
PD0001111/149 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Aldrive School and Walsall given service number 7S effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I wonder what route the 311/313 will take between Dudley and Stour?
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 10:38:50 AM
I wonder what route the 311/313 will take between Dudley and Stour?
I think that's just another example of VOSA not updating the registration since the 311/313 were curtailed at Dudley & the 246 frequency increased
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
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PD0001111/13 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Walsall Bus Station given service number 335/336 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/66 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Stourbridge, Bus Station given service number 311/313 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route.
PD0001111/149 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Aldrive School and Walsall given service number 7S effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I believe they are relatively minor changes to the 311/3 (no longer serving Wednesbury Parkway) & 335/6 (no longer serving Wilbraham Rd).
The 7S will replace the 727, PM only.
Interesting to hear about the 424 & 650. I assume the 424 will be operated by PB using Solo (are there enough left?), but I'm unsure what garage would operate the 650.
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 10:38:50 AM
I wonder what route the 311/313 will take between Dudley and Stour?
I think that's just another example of VOSA not updating the registration since the 311/313 were curtailed at Dudley & the 246 frequency increased
Oh, I see. It does say "To amend Route", though
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 05:10:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 10:38:50 AM
I wonder what route the 311/313 will take between Dudley and Stour?
I think that's just another example of VOSA not updating the registration since the 311/313 were curtailed at Dudley & the 246 frequency increased
Oh, I see. It does say "To amend Route", though
I know, but I'm saying it doesn't mean that the 311/313 will be going back to Stourbridge, just that the route will be amended between Walsall - Dudley only
Quote from: notepanel on March 05, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 10:02:31 AM
PD0001111/13 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Walsall Bus Station given service number 335/336 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/66 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Stourbridge, Bus Station given service number 311/313 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route.
PD0001111/149 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Aldrive School and Walsall given service number 7S effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I believe they are relatively minor changes to the 311/3 (no longer serving Wednesbury Parkway) & 335/6 (no longer serving Wilbraham Rd).
The 7S will replace the 727, PM only.
Interesting to hear about the 424 & 650. I assume the 424 will be operated by PB using Solo (are there enough left?), but I'm unsure what garage would operate the 650.
That's a bugger taking it out of Wednesbury Parkway.
It gives me an extra minute to cross the road by there!
Quote from: notepanel on March 05, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 10:02:31 AM
PD0001111/13 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Walsall Bus Station given service number 335/336 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/66 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Stourbridge, Bus Station given service number 311/313 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route.
PD0001111/149 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Aldrive School and Walsall given service number 7S effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I believe they are relatively minor changes to the 311/3 (no longer serving Wednesbury Parkway) & 335/6 (no longer serving Wilbraham Rd).
The 7S will replace the 727, PM only.
Interesting to hear about the 424 & 650. I assume the 424 will be operated by PB using Solo (are there enough left?), but I'm unsure what garage would operate the 650.
Things may have changed regarding the 424 & 650. That was the surprise I mentioned last month when I said watch for the forthcoming tender awards
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 07:08:42 PM
Quote from: notepanel on March 05, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
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PD0001111/13 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Walsall Bus Station given service number 335/336 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/66 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Stourbridge, Bus Station given service number 311/313 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route.
PD0001111/149 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Aldrive School and Walsall given service number 7S effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I believe they are relatively minor changes to the 311/3 (no longer serving Wednesbury Parkway) & 335/6 (no longer serving Wilbraham Rd).
The 7S will replace the 727, PM only.
Interesting to hear about the 424 & 650. I assume the 424 will be operated by PB using Solo (are there enough left?), but I'm unsure what garage would operate the 650.
Things may have changed regarding the 424 & 650. That was the surprise I mentioned last month when I said watch for the forthcoming tender awards
That is a surprise-hopefully Diamond can manage to retain both of those routes...
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
99
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
Are these the south Birmingham routes though? Or black country routes? I don't know anymore :(
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
Are these the south Birmingham routes though? Or black country routes? I don't know anymore :(
You couldn't call the 98 a Black Country route LS?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
Are these the south Birmingham routes though? Or black country routes? I don't know anymore :(
LS, I suspect the 98 being referred to is the Centro tendered 98 that Diamond currently run Ward End - Small Heath
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
The 99, I was not aware VIP had been on the 98
^^ This is exactly why route number duplications were a bad idea!
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
The 99, I was not aware VIP had been on the 98
Would it be Diamond's 98 Ward End - Small heath which has been transferred to WMSNT as no journeys on NX's 98 are tendered?
Quote from: sonic84 on March 05, 2014, 11:30:55 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
The 99, I was not aware VIP had been on the 98
Would it be Diamond's 98 Ward End - Small heath which has been transferred to WMSNT as no journeys on NX's 98 are tendered?
Yes...it runs alongside parts of the 28 (E&S) sections of route IIRC
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 08:51:30 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
Are these the south Birmingham routes though? Or black country routes? I don't know anymore :(
LS, I suspect the 98 being referred to is the Centro tendered 98 that Diamond currently run Ward End - Small Heath
That's what I meant... why did I say Black Country? Sorry folks
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 06, 2014, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 08:51:30 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 05, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 05, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
NX have also gained 424 and 650 routes
Do you know any other tender outcomes?
NX gained 99 evenings, 98 to WMSNT, Diamond retained 71, 72 and 66a evenings
99 late nights or what? 98 Rubery - Town, care to elaborate?
Presume it's the journeys that were lost by VIP last year and were put out to emergency tender.
Including Sundays then?
On the 98?
Are these the south Birmingham routes though? Or black country routes? I don't know anymore :(
LS, I suspect the 98 being referred to is the Centro tendered 98 that Diamond currently run Ward End - Small Heath
That's what I meant... why did I say Black Country? Sorry folks
It's stupid having so many services with the same route numbers, don't know why Centro had to mess. Has it really made that much difference to passenger numbers or created even more confusion?
I have to agree, the previous numbering system of 200's (Dudley), 300's (Walsall), 400's (Sandwell), 500's (Wolverhampton) was a good system, it should have been left alone, I saw an OAP picking up a 7 timetable in Walsall Bus Station, I just noticed that it was the City to Perry Common service 7 where as she wanted the 7 Walsall to Castlefort service. All this could have been avoided.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 06, 2014, 09:59:21 AM
I have to agree, the previous numbering system of 200's (Dudley), 300's (Walsall), 400's (Sandwell), 500's (Wolverhampton) was a good system, it should have been left alone, I saw an OAP picking up a 7 timetable in Walsall Bus Station, I just noticed that it was the City to Perry Common service 7 where as she wanted the 7 Walsall to Castlefort service. All this could have been avoided.
I know right? Did people really find it so hard to remember one additional number? Again, it's graduates with degrees in power. As I'm sure you can imagine, I'd much further respect management when they've worked up from the bottom of a business. Not come in upper management straight from a poxy University. The old way was the best way.
Some changes are starting to appear on VOSA
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Colmore Row and Kitwell, Herlech Close given service number 22/23/23a effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between City Centre, Colmore Row and Woodgate Valley North ,Simmonds Dr given service number 24 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Town Hall and Acocks Green Village, Haslocks Green Rd given service number 1/899 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend
Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Birmingham, Hawkesley Shannon Road given service number 35 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Woodgate, Wood Lane and Woodcock Hill Moors Lane given service number X64 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Colmore Row and Frankley Holly Hill given service number 29/29A/29S effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Yardley Wood Garage and Bartley Green, Romsley Road given service number 18/18A effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham City Centre, Corporation Street and Solihull, Rail Station given service number 6 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Maypole, Maypole Lane given service number 2 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Corporation Street and Rubery Great Park, Parkway given service number 98 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Maypole, Maypole Lane given service number 2 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Corporation Street and Rubery Great Park, Parkway given service number 98 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Gannow, Crompton Road given service number 61/63 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, High Street and Cofton Hackett given service number 45/47/47S effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Sutton Coldfield, Lower Parade and West Bromwich, Bus Station given service number 5 effective from 04-May-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Coventry, Willenhall Remembrance Road and Coventry, Wood End Deedmore Road given service number 21/21s effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between University Station, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Rowley Regis Station(/Hagley Road Haley Green given service number 99/98 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Jaguar Landrover and Northfield Shopping Centre given service number 49 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Solihull and Queen Elizabeth Hospital given service number 76 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Solihull Station given service number 5/5A effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Shirley, Green Business Park given service number 3 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Corporation Street and Solihull/Shirley given service number 31 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD0001111/699 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Coventry City Centre and Toll Bar End given service number 27A effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
Additional NXWM registrations added, Winston
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 06, 2014, 10:05:49 AM
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 06, 2014, 09:59:21 AM
I have to agree, the previous numbering system of 200's (Dudley), 300's (Walsall), 400's (Sandwell), 500's (Wolverhampton) was a good system, it should have been left alone, I saw an OAP picking up a 7 timetable in Walsall Bus Station, I just noticed that it was the City to Perry Common service 7 where as she wanted the 7 Walsall to Castlefort service. All this could have been avoided.
I know right? Did people really find it so hard to remember one additional number? Again, it's graduates with degrees in power. As I'm sure you can imagine, I'd much further respect management when they've worked up from the bottom of a business. Not come in upper management straight from a poxy University. The old way was the best way.
Even just a separate number for each and every route would have been better, without the 200/300/400 etc system - a-la London style. 1-250 or 300 or something with only the Coventry system being numerically separate (as its always been).
Quote from: Roy on March 06, 2014, 12:38:33 PM
2. PD0001111/112 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Gannow, Crompton Road given service number 61/63 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
Corporation Street?
There are now a few more on VOSA. I have trimmed them down to just show the number, route and change. The problem with VOSA registrations is that route numbers and routes may be out of date. It will be interesting to see when the changes are announced. If previous reorganisations are anything to go by, Centro will probably not announce anything until they organise roadshows a week or two before 27 April. Then you can go along and find out that some of the new timetables haven't been printed yet.
Both Bristol and Brighton have large changes starting on 13 April - in both cases, the changes are already posted on the internet with timetables promised during March. I bet it doesn't happen here.
1 Birmingham, City Centre, Town Hall and Acocks Green Village, Haslocks Green Rd Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
2 Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Maypole, Maypole Lane Timetable
3 Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Shirley, Green Business Park Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
5/5A Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Solihull Station Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
6 Birmingham City Centre, Corporation Street and Solihull, Rail Station Timetable
18/18A Yardley Wood Garage and Bartley Green, Romsley Road Timetable
22/23/23a Birmingham, City Centre, Colmore Row and Kitwell, Herlech Close Timetable
24 City Centre, Colmore Row and Woodgate Valley North ,Simmonds Dr Timetable
29/29A/29S Birmingham, City Centre, Colmore Row and Frankley Holly Hill Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
31 Birmingham, Corporation Street and Solihull/Shirley Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
35 Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Birmingham, Hawkesley Shannon Road Timetable
45/47/47S Birmingham, City Centre, High Street and Cofton Hackett Route and Timetable
49 Jaguar Landrover and Northfield Shopping Centre Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
55 Birmingham City Centre, The Priory and Chemsley Wood, Interchange Timetable
61/63 Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Gannow, Crompton Road Timetable
X64 Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Woodgate, Wood Lane and Woodcock Hill Moors Lane Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
73 Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station Route and Timetable
76 Solihull and Queen Elizabeth Hospital Timetable
94 Birmingham City Centre, Priory Queensway and Chelmsley Wood, Interchange Timetable
98 Birmingham, Corporation Street and Rubery Great Park, Parkway Timetable
99/98 University Station, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Rowley Regis Station(/Hagley Road Haley Green Timetable
Quote from: Roy on March 06, 2014, 03:01:11 PM
There are now a few more on VOSA. I have trimmed them down to just show the number, route and change. The problem with VOSA registrations is that route numbers and routes may be out of date. It will be interesting to see when the changes are announced. If previous reorganisations are anything to go by, Centro will probably not announce anything until they organise roadshows a week or two before 27 April. Then you can go along and find out that some of the new timetables haven't been printed yet.
Both Bristol and Brighton have large changes starting on 13 April - in both cases, the changes are already posted on the internet with timetables promised during March. I bet it doesn't happen here.
1 Birmingham, City Centre, Town Hall and Acocks Green Village, Haslocks Green Rd Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
2 Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Maypole, Maypole Lane Timetable
3 Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Shirley, Green Business Park Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
5/5A Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Solihull Station Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
6 Birmingham City Centre, Corporation Street and Solihull, Rail Station Timetable
18/18A Yardley Wood Garage and Bartley Green, Romsley Road Timetable
22/23/23a Birmingham, City Centre, Colmore Row and Kitwell, Herlech Close Timetable
24 City Centre, Colmore Row and Woodgate Valley North ,Simmonds Dr Timetable
29/29A/29S Birmingham, City Centre, Colmore Row and Frankley Holly Hill Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
31 Birmingham, Corporation Street and Solihull/Shirley Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
35 Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Birmingham, Hawkesley Shannon Road Timetable
45/47/47S Birmingham, City Centre, High Street and Cofton Hackett Route and Timetable
49 Jaguar Landrover and Northfield Shopping Centre Route, Stopping Places and Timetable
55 Birmingham City Centre, The Priory and Chemsley Wood, Interchange Timetable
61/63 Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Gannow, Crompton Road Timetable
X64 Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Woodgate, Wood Lane and Woodcock Hill Moors Lane Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
73 Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station Route and Timetable
76 Solihull and Queen Elizabeth Hospital Timetable
94 Birmingham City Centre, Priory Queensway and Chelmsley Wood, Interchange Timetable
98 Birmingham, Corporation Street and Rubery Great Park, Parkway Timetable
99/98 University Station, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Rowley Regis Station(/Hagley Road Haley Green Timetable
Roy,
I'd already tagged them on to your original post
So my routes are 100% changing then. The 49 is a new registration details and same for the 45/47. Good bit of stuff for April then :) Maybe the Sunday timetables will now be possible to follow?
Quote from: Winston on March 06, 2014, 03:16:03 PM
Roy,
I'd already tagged them on to your original post
Sorry about that Winston. I hadn't looked back to the previous page.
I notice that, of the routes in the original consultation document, there are no changes (yet?) for the 8A, 8C, 58, 59 or 60.
I'm intrigued by the 98/99 going to Rowley Regis station & Hayley Green?
Quote from: Roy on March 06, 2014, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 06, 2014, 03:16:03 PM
Roy,
I'd already tagged them on to your original post
Sorry about that Winston. I hadn't looked back to the previous page.
I notice that, of the routes in the original consultation document, there are no changes (yet?) for the 8A, 8C, 58, 59 or 60.
No worries Roy, I probably should have posted something to let people know that had already seen your post, thought it was best to keep them altogether......
Quote from: Matt on March 06, 2014, 04:39:27 PM
I'm intrigued by the 98/99 going to Rowley Regis station & Hayley Green?
Matt, don't get too intrigued :P
it's VOSA again. Those registrations date back to pre the current 99 when the 636 & 637 used to run there
I thin the 297 registration says it is inbetween Dudley and Stourbridge, depsite the fact its been changed so much, both terminus are different.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 06, 2014, 10:05:49 AM
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 06, 2014, 09:59:21 AM
I have to agree, the previous numbering system of 200's (Dudley), 300's (Walsall), 400's (Sandwell), 500's (Wolverhampton) was a good system, it should have been left alone, I saw an OAP picking up a 7 timetable in Walsall Bus Station, I just noticed that it was the City to Perry Common service 7 where as she wanted the 7 Walsall to Castlefort service. All this could have been avoided.
I know right? Did people really find it so hard to remember one additional number? Again, it's graduates with degrees in power. As I'm sure you can imagine, I'd much further respect management when they've worked up from the bottom of a business. Not come in upper management straight from a poxy University. The old way was the best way.
I vehemently concur. I prefer the 2/3/4/5/600's system because it was easy to recognise the numbers and which area it served. It didn't cause confusion. I was and still am confused as to why the system got scrapped and changed to similar numbers. That number system was great... They should have left it as it was! It is evident that there are confusion caused by the preposterous and pointless transition of the number system.
Some interesting changes here, so the 1 is going to get extended to Shirley then? (presumably only during daytimes). And the 31 is only going to Solihull, with the 3 going to the Green Business Park.
Not quite the major changes I was expecting, but there may still be more to come!
I wonder if the 49 journeys to Land Rover in Solihull will just be occasional journeys, same as you get on the 37.
Quote from: Stu on March 06, 2014, 06:27:20 PM
Some interesting changes here, so the 1 is going to get extended to Shirley then? (presumably only during daytimes). And the 31 is only going to Solihull, with the 3 going to the Green Business Park.
Not quite the major changes I was expecting, but there may still be more to come!
I wonder if the 49 journeys to Land Rover in Solihull will just be occasional journeys, same as you get on the 37.
Stu where you getting the first paragraph from, is that just guessing or have I missed something.
Also wondering if that could first deliveries of some new buses for 2014 ? Well just making that up.
Ignore my last post, i see it on the VOSA site dur on my behalf, it's been a long day.
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 06, 2014, 05:59:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 06, 2014, 10:05:49 AM
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 06, 2014, 09:59:21 AM
I have to agree, the previous numbering system of 200's (Dudley), 300's (Walsall), 400's (Sandwell), 500's (Wolverhampton) was a good system, it should have been left alone, I saw an OAP picking up a 7 timetable in Walsall Bus Station, I just noticed that it was the City to Perry Common service 7 where as she wanted the 7 Walsall to Castlefort service. All this could have been avoided.
I know right? Did people really find it so hard to remember one additional number? Again, it's graduates with degrees in power. As I'm sure you can imagine, I'd much further respect management when they've worked up from the bottom of a business. Not come in upper management straight from a poxy University. The old way was the best way.
I vehemently concur. I prefer the 2/3/4/5/600's system because it was easy to recognise the numbers and which area it served. It didn't cause confusion. I was and still am confused as to why the system got scrapped and changed to similar numbers. That number system was great... They should have left it as it was! It is evident that there are confusion caused by the preposterous and pointless transition of the number system.
Someone did ask me in Selly Oak where he could catch the 49. Did they mean the WB 49 or the YW one. I did ask him which one but he could easily have been sent a long way from where he wanted to be.
Quote from: Stu on March 06, 2014, 06:27:20 PM
Some interesting changes here, so the 1 is going to get extended to Shirley then? (presumably only during daytimes). And the 31 is only going to Solihull, with the 3 going to the Green Business Park.
Not quite the major changes I was expecting, but there may still be more to come!
I wonder if the 49 journeys to Land Rover in Solihull will just be occasional journeys, same as you get on the 37.
No existing services have been cancelled and there doesn't appear to be any new ones to date
Quote from: Winston on March 06, 2014, 08:08:46 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 06, 2014, 06:27:20 PM
Some interesting changes here, so the 1 is going to get extended to Shirley then? (presumably only during daytimes). And the 31 is only going to Solihull, with the 3 going to the Green Business Park.
Not quite the major changes I was expecting, but there may still be more to come!
I wonder if the 49 journeys to Land Rover in Solihull will just be occasional journeys, same as you get on the 37.
No existing services have been cancelled and there doesn't appear to be any new ones to date
Would expect some more registrations are due, i wonder whether the 8 will go untouched or have they decieded to reroute it?
Roy's list includes all the services mentioned in the consultation except the 8A/8C and 58,59,60. they said the 8A/8C may not change at the time and I think the Coventry Road is the difficult one. The services through Small Heath are very busy and should not be reduced, which makes it hard to think of an alternative to the present routes, unless an extra bus is put on to give more layover time.
The following has been posted on the Worcestershire County Council website at http://worcestershire.whub.org.uk/cms/pdf/2014-03-20%20Bus%20Service%20Changes%20(web).pdf (http://worcestershire.whub.org.uk/cms/pdf/2014-03-20%20Bus%20Service%20Changes%20(web).pdf)
27th April 2014
Service 45 (National Express West Midlands)
Birmingham – West Heath - Longbridge
This, seven days a week, commercial service has a revised route and timetable. It will be extended to/from Longbridge Railway Station via Lickey Road, Rednal and Groveley Lane to Cofton Hackett. It will operate every 12 minutes on Mondays to Saturdays, every
20 minutes on Sundays and every 30 minutes on all evenings. The operating time will be between 0515 (Mondays to Saturdays), 0845 (Sundays) and 2400. This service operates in conjunction with service 47
Service 47 (National Express West Midlands)
Birmingham – West Heath – Cofton Hackett
This, seven days a week, commercial service has a revised timetable. It will operate every 12 minutes on Mondays to Saturdays, every 20 minutes on Sundays and every 30 minutes on all evenings. The operating time will be between 0500 (Mondays to Saturdays), 0730 (Sundays) and 2400. This service operates in conjunction with the new service 45
Service 49 (National Express West Midlands)
Weoley Castle – Northfield – Rubery – Maypole - Solihull
This, seven days a week, commercial service has a revised route and timetable. It will only operate between Northfield and Solihull with journeys alternating between Northfield or Longbridge and Solihull. The timetable will be adjusted to improve reliability.
Service 63 (National Express West Midlands)
Birmingham – Longbridge - Rubery
This, seven days a week, commercial service has a revised timetable, this is adjusted to improve reliability.
Any further news on the 29/29A route / frequency?
""Service 63 (National Express West Midlands)
Birmingham – Longbridge - Rubery
This, seven days a week, commercial service has a revised timetable, this is adjusted to improve reliability.""
The 63 is now very reliable, I didn't think it required changing. I think they mean the 61, outbound...
I have heard that all Black Country services subsidised by Centro and with contacts due to end this April will have contract extensions until October 2014. Contracts will then be awarded using the new guidelines because of budget cuts. So expect some big changes from October.
Quote from: Roy on April 04, 2014, 03:56:45 PM
I have heard that all Black Country services subsidised by Centro and with contacts due to end this April will have contract extensions until October 2014. Contracts will then be awarded using the new guidelines because of budget cuts. So expect some big changes from October.
I did think it was strange that there was no mention of any black country contracts on VOSA-thanks for that Roy. Presumably services tendered in March and October 2011 will be up for grabs in October then?
I see on the news today that a quarter of the workforce at Centro is to be cut as part of budget savings of £7m.
Staff numbers will be reduced by 89 with councillors voting to slash jobs rather than services.
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 04, 2014, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Roy on April 04, 2014, 03:56:45 PM
I have heard that all Black Country services subsidised by Centro and with contacts due to end this April will have contract extensions until October 2014. Contracts will then be awarded using the new guidelines because of budget cuts. So expect some big changes from October.
I did think it was strange that there was no mention of any black country contracts on VOSA-thanks for that Roy. Presumably services tendered in March and October 2011 will be up for grabs in October then?
That's right. There will be a lot of changes in October and it could see some existing routes completely revamped into new services that fit into the new guidelines.
Quote from: Roy on April 04, 2014, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 04, 2014, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Roy on April 04, 2014, 03:56:45 PM
I have heard that all Black Country services subsidised by Centro and with contacts due to end this April will have contract extensions until October 2014. Contracts will then be awarded using the new guidelines because of budget cuts. So expect some big changes from October.
I did think it was strange that there was no mention of any black country contracts on VOSA-thanks for that Roy. Presumably services tendered in March and October 2011 will be up for grabs in October then?
That's right. There will be a lot of changes in October and it could see some existing routes completely revamped into new services that fit into the new guidelines.
Are the new guidelines just cheap, cheap cheap or is there anything other than that to them?
To quote the Centro document.
There will be a change to Subsidised Bus Access standards. The minimum number of passengers per journey will rise from 5 to 8, and the cost per journey will be reduced to a maximum of £1.60. The Subsidised Bus budget is set at £8.3m, which assumes operator costs continue to fall next year.
Quote from: Roy on April 04, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
To quote the Centro document.
There will be a change to Subsidised Bus Access standards. The minimum number of passengers per journey will rise from 5 to 8, and the cost per journey will be reduced to a maximum of £1.60. The Subsidised Bus budget is set at £8.3m, which assumes operator costs continue to fall next year.
Thanks for posting Roy. That seems a massive assumption if you ask me...
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 04, 2014, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: Roy on April 04, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
To quote the Centro document.
There will be a change to Subsidised Bus Access standards. The minimum number of passengers per journey will rise from 5 to 8, and the cost per journey will be reduced to a maximum of £1.60. The Subsidised Bus budget is set at £8.3m, which assumes operator costs continue to fall next year.
Thanks for posting Roy. That seems a massive assumption if you ask me...
And me, suppose for example that diesel costs rise heavily, which is always a possibility in the current climate, there would be no way then that operators could reduce there costs.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 04, 2014, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: Roy on April 04, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
To quote the Centro document.
There will be a change to Subsidised Bus Access standards. The minimum number of passengers per journey will rise from 5 to 8, and the cost per journey will be reduced to a maximum of £1.60. The Subsidised Bus budget is set at £8.3m, which assumes operator costs continue to fall next year.
Thanks for posting Roy. That seems a massive assumption if you ask me...
And me, suppose for example that diesel costs rise heavily, which is always a possibility in the current climate, there would be no way then that operators could reduce there costs.
And wage costs rising as well as insurance costs.
Well if I don't hear anything about these changes some time this week I will be giving Centro a rollocking! Fancy like leaving the public in the dark about this, so we're going to get - what - a weeks notice? Pull your act together! Let me guess, even the drivers don't even know for certain what's going to be happening. I've never known a company so compliant about keeping everyone in the dark for the longest time possible. And not only that the staff should have at least 6 weeks notice! According to my sources, and speaking to drivers, that has yet to happen.
This is typical of National Express and Network West Midlands, these changes take place 3 weeks today, they always keep changes under wraps like it's a big major secret, they should be ashamed of themselves
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 06, 2014, 08:48:48 PM
This is typical of National Express and Network West Midlands, these changes take place 3 weeks today, they always keep changes under wraps like it's a big major secret, they should be ashamed of themselves
Well this is what I'm saying. The public know the changes are due any time now, people need to arrange different times and bus changes en route and yet they still don't have any chance of knowing. I'll let them till Friday then the Formal Complaint will go in. Two weeks notice is a disgusting amount of time for a notice period. And I wholeheartedly agree, they should be ashamed of themselves.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 06, 2014, 08:44:07 PM
Well if I don't hear anything about these changes some time this week I will be giving Centro a rollocking! Fancy like leaving the public in the dark about this, so we're going to get - what - a weeks notice? Pull your act together! Let me guess, even the drivers don't even know for certain what's going to be happening. I've never known a company so compliant about keeping everyone in the dark for the longest time possible. And not only that the staff should have at least 6 weeks notice! According to my sources, and speaking to drivers, that has yet to happen.
Overhearing a couple of AG drivers, they have a vague idea of what is happening, and they there were starting route training. The NWM site is slowly being updated - they layout is there, just no information! http://www.networkwestmidlands.co.uk/BusReview/BusReviewIndex.aspx
I did pop into the Travel Shop in Solihull, again, but I always seem to know more than them!
Also it seems the 72 has been extended to Solihull Station on a Sunday (from the Town Centre!) from today, with a slightly revised timetable. The revised timetable is advertised on NWM site but not NX, and the timetable in the Town Centre has yet to be updated, not sure aouth the rest!
The 72 has always served the station...
Quote from: JB93 on April 06, 2014, 09:49:38 PM
The 72 has always served the station...
Not on a Sunday. Only goes as far as the town centre as a 72E. (Why didn't it go to the station in the first place on a Sunday)
Quote from: Nathan on April 06, 2014, 09:56:37 PM
Quote from: JB93 on April 06, 2014, 09:49:38 PM
The 72 has always served the station...
Not on a Sunday. Only goes as far as the town centre as a 72E. (Why didn't it go to the station in the first place on a Sunday)
Should have put on a Sunday in there somewhere! ;)
Probably something to do with timings. They've more than likely put an extra bus on to give a bit of a longer running time/more layover
I sent a message to the Network West Midlands Facebook page about the South Birmingham changes and this is the reply I got:
"We'll be announcing them later this week - still some final confirmations to be made"
Totally Pathetic and I don't believe a word of the "still some final confirmations to be made" part of the reply !!!
I wrote to NX customer services regarding failure to post new timetables for Coventry changes in late March. I received a reply saying I'm sorry you're upset and sent me a hyperlink to traveline. No commitment was made to do anything and the current timetables displayed are still wrong. Up to date are not even posted on many bus stops on Coventry route 10. Good luck to those expecting comprehensive up to date information in South Birmingham.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 07, 2014, 10:07:46 AM
I sent a message to the Network West Midlands Facebook page about the South Birmingham changes and this is the reply I got:
"We'll be announcing them later this week - still some final confirmations to be made"
Totally Pathetic and I don't believe a word of the "still some final confirmations to be made" part of the reply !!!
.On the centro website the other bus changes are still
showing March changes wonder how long
before this is updated like the contracts that are changing
I know some will end october
As usual it looks like it is going to be a total flop then. I hope Bordesley are ready for the complaints that will probably rush in at the start of May. Centro don't appear to have taken the consultation posters down from the bus shelters yet either from before christmas, if they have then they haven't done many.
Someone else asked about the changes on the NWM facebook page this morning:
"Southern Birmingham and Solihull Bus Changes - I've found the page on the website but cannot access the information , these changes all start in 3 weeks !!!"
Network West Midlands: "We'll be announcing them later this week - still some final confirmations to be made."
It wouldn't happen if the districts were in charge!
Quote from: trident4370 on April 07, 2014, 01:35:48 PM
As usual it looks like it is going to be a total flop then. I hope Bordesley are ready for the complaints that will probably rush in at the start of May. Centro don't appear to have taken the consultation posters down from the bus shelters yet either from before christmas, if they have then they haven't done many.
Someone else asked about the changes on the NWM facebook page this morning:
"Southern Birmingham and Solihull Bus Changes - I've found the page on the website but cannot access the information , these changes all start in 3 weeks !!!"
Network West Midlands: "We'll be announcing them later this week - still some final confirmations to be made."
Near when I live there are still posters from older reviews way back
Quote from: trident4370 on April 07, 2014, 01:35:48 PM
Centro don't appear to have taken the consultation posters down from the bus shelters yet either from before christmas, if they have then they haven't done many.
They're still up at the 31 stops in Acocks Green village; maybe they're keeping them up as 'evidence' for when people start complaining that they didn't know anything about a consultation! ;)
I thought they were curtailing the 73 to Heartlands Hospital? I know they wanted to curtail it to the Yew Tree but it seems all they're doing is extending it down Moor St!
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 07, 2014, 07:41:26 PM
I thought they were curtailing the 73 to Heartlands Hospital? I know they wanted to curtail it to the Yew Tree but it seems all they're doing is extending it down Moor St!
Where did you see/hear that about the 73? I also thought it was being curtailed to Heartlands Hospital-Solihull, but someone else also mentioned it was being extended again in the city centre on my FixMyTransport page:
http://www.fixmytransport.com/campaigns/explain-how-extending-the-1-to-shirl
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 07:44:16 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 07, 2014, 07:41:26 PM
I thought they were curtailing the 73 to Heartlands Hospital? I know they wanted to curtail it to the Yew Tree but it seems all they're doing is extending it down Moor St!
Where did you see/hear that about the 73? I also thought it was being curtailed to Heartlands Hospital-Solihull, but someone else also mentioned it was being extended again in the city centre on my FixMyTransport page:
http://www.fixmytransport.com/campaigns/explain-how-extending-the-1-to-shirl
I asked in the Travel Shop in the Pavilions. They have some details but not in-depth i.e 31 route change in Gospel Oak, 49 curtailed to Northifield, alternate journeys terminate at Longbridge.
Timetable
should start arriving from Wednesday apparently
Seems as though the changes have come a few weeks early! 49, 63 and 144 extended through Rednal!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4b1a6izw86o1rvm/2014-04-07%2021.17.22.mp4
(I joke, roadworks on the Bristol Road, but I can only dream of the day that Lickey Road gets a real bus service.)
Quote from: Russ Smith on April 07, 2014, 09:26:23 PM
Seems as though the changes have come a few weeks early! 49, 63 and 144 extended through Rednal!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4b1a6izw86o1rvm/2014-04-07%2021.17.22.mp4
(I joke, roadworks on the Bristol Road, but I can only dream of the day that Lickey Road gets a real bus service.)
Lickey Lane [/Road] is getting the 98 and the 45 from the 27th April. Of course, the 45 turns off at Low Hill Lane...
Yeah, personally I don't think Cofton Hackett deserves 10 buses per hour to town, can't really see the thought behind the extension, is it just to make the 45/47 interwork do you know?
Quote from: Russ Smith on April 07, 2014, 11:15:30 PM
Yeah, personally I don't think Cofton Hackett deserves 10 buses per hour to town, can't really see the thought behind the extension, is it just to make the 45/47 interwork do you know?
I imagine it;s to cater for the new estate which is being developed in the area etc.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 08, 2014, 06:13:40 AM
Quote from: Russ Smith on April 07, 2014, 11:15:30 PM
Yeah, personally I don't think Cofton Hackett deserves 10 buses per hour to town, can't really see the thought behind the extension, is it just to make the 45/47 interwork do you know?
I imagine it;s to cater for the new estate which is being developed in the area etc.
Not so much that, it was to make the 45 directly serve the Longbridge Sainsburys & Born
vile College, in addition to making the duties easier the 45 & 47 would have to interwork at the outer termini as well as the inner. I have to admit, I do detest the 45 & 47 routes now; Pershore Road is constantly congested, the clientèle are extremely low quality for the most part, there's a constant mirage of roadworks and most journeys I travel on seem to experience the pleasures of Job Seekers stale spliffs. In consideration it's every 6 minutes during the day, every bus seems to be packed and they seem to stop at every poxy stop, and the bus stops along the city side of the Pershore are placed so close together the buses rarely get up to speed before having to stop again. Late night buses are amazingly worse, also each service is only 30 minutes each and are usually late; having spoke to some Late Night drivers they get only 3 minute dropback at Cofton, and with ridiculous running time they're usually leaving the outer late and can not make up time without breaking laws. Couple those above points with the detestable schools and colleges en route, the Pershore Road is both a genuine passenger, and driver nightmare. I'm ever so glad I don't have to drive on that crap heap any longer!!
NWM site has been updated!!!
only some pages though, I've just found out. And the timetable for the 1 is from 2009!
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 08, 2014, 10:42:33 AM
NWM site has been updated!!!
only some pages though, I've just found out. And the timetable for the 1 is from 2009!
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReviewIndex.aspx - A work in progress...
I see that neither the 2 or 3 are to be diverted via Moseley, and on Sundays the 3 continues to terminate at the end of Haslucks Green Rd.
The route info for the new 1 service looks wrong:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/southern_birmingham/bus_service1.aspx
The page says that it will serve the new development in Shirley, but the map and route state that it terminates and begins from the Tesco in Hall Green!
Also the route towards Birmingham shows that it doesn't even serve Acocks Green village!
Also disappointing to see that both the 1 and 31 are actually seeing decreases in frequency (daytime 1 is currently every 15mins, but will be reduced to every 20mins, daytime 31/31A currently provide combined 15 min frequency, but new 31 will have 20min frequency).
Finally NX will be operating 99 on Sundays!!
Quote from: Stu on April 08, 2014, 06:45:06 PM
The route info for the new 1 service looks wrong:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/southern_birmingham/bus_service1.aspx
The page says that it will serve the new development in Shirley, but the map and route state that it terminates and begins from the Tesco in Hall Green!
Also the route towards Birmingham shows that it doesn't even serve Acocks Green village!
Also disappointing to see that both the 1 and 31 are actually seeing decreases in frequency (daytime 1 is currently every 15mins, but will be reduced to every 20mins, daytime 31/31A currently provide combined 15 min frequency, but new 31 will have 20min frequency).
Sneaky buggers, not enough profit what with all these new bus orders. Probably more to come.
Quote from: Stu on April 08, 2014, 06:45:06 PM
The route info for the new 1 service looks wrong:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/southern_birmingham/bus_service1.aspx
The page says that it will serve the new development in Shirley, but the map and route state that it terminates and begins from the Tesco in Hall Green!
Also the route towards Birmingham shows that it doesn't even serve Acocks Green village!
Also disappointing to see that both the 1 and 31 are actually seeing decreases in frequency (daytime 1 is currently every 15mins, but will be reduced to every 20mins, daytime 31/31A currently provide combined 15 min frequency, but new 31 will have 20min frequency).
Interesting to see that the 31 will now run to Solihull on Sundays
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 08, 2014, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 08, 2014, 06:45:06 PM
The route info for the new 1 service looks wrong:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/southern_birmingham/bus_service1.aspx
The page says that it will serve the new development in Shirley, but the map and route state that it terminates and begins from the Tesco in Hall Green!
Also the route towards Birmingham shows that it doesn't even serve Acocks Green village!
Also disappointing to see that both the 1 and 31 are actually seeing decreases in frequency (daytime 1 is currently every 15mins, but will be reduced to every 20mins, daytime 31/31A currently provide combined 15 min frequency, but new 31 will have 20min frequency).
Interesting to see that the 31 will now run to Solihull on Sundays
That was something positive, although it's Sunday daytimes only.
Having had a proper look at the changes now, it's nice to see an earlier Sunday 35 journey has been added, although I wonder if this was influenced more by Simon's promise to look into it, in the old "Questions to NX Director" as opposed to directly from the review itself.... Shame to see many missed opportunities with the 2/3 and 76 but at least the chosen changes are improvements nonetheless. I'm also glad the 45 will see a frequency boost as in my experience it is just as well used as the 47. The only thing baffling me is why they chose to extend the 1 to Shirley, apart from 3 replacement in Gospel Oak, I can't see the point of that at all but that's just my opinion. I'm also a bit confused as to why the 5 is now terminating in Solihull Town Centre when it has a generous 10 minute layover in the station as it is, surely there can't be much more time to be gained.
Quote from: trident4370 on April 08, 2014, 08:18:51 PM
Having had a proper look at the changes now, it's nice to see an earlier Sunday 35 journey has been added, although I wonder if this was influenced more by Simon's promise to look into it, in the old "Questions to NX Director" as opposed to directly from the review itself.... Shame to see many missed opportunities with the 2/3 and 76 but at least the chosen changes are improvements nonetheless. I'm also glad the 45 will see a frequency boost as in my experience it is just as well used as the 47. The only thing baffling me is why they chose to extend the 1 to Shirley, apart from 3 replacement in Gospel Oak, I can't see the point of that at all but that's just my opinion. I'm also a bit confused as to why the 5 is now terminating in Solihull Town Centre when it has a generous 10 minute layover in the station as it is, surely there can't be much more time to be gained.
Solihull Town Centre could prove to be very interesting, with the increase of the 31, 5 being terminated in the Town Centre as well as the 30 laying over there!
Looking at the 5 & 31 timetable, they both seem to have 13/14 mins layover during the day? if i've worked it out right - which I probaly haven't! - things are going to be even worse in the Town Centre!
Not to mention the amount of 71/71E that have a habit of blocking that stand off too! I also think a big mistake has been made dropping the 49 to every 15, especially when the Solihull College mob descend, granted there are some extra journeys from around 3:00-3:30 on that timetable, but I'm pretty sure some come out later.
Just found this on NXWM's site: http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/south-birmingham-service-changes-27th-april
I didn't expect the 1/31 changes but suprised there isn't more changes on the Bristol Road/98/99!
Having looked at the route of the 45, it will be going all the way up to the top of Groveley Lane, and not just turning left at Low Hill. Fair enough!
Time table wise, in comparison, it all seems smack on. Glad they're finally given those extra two minutes from Cofton to Moorpark as drivers can now do the speed limit!
Bristol Road times are near perfect in my experience and shouldn't be any issues there. Even the Sundays and late nights from past happenings seems to be smack on! I tip my hat to you.
Still not worth being left in the dark for this long, mind.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 08, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on April 08, 2014, 08:18:51 PM
Having had a proper look at the changes now, it's nice to see an earlier Sunday 35 journey has been added, although I wonder if this was influenced more by Simon's promise to look into it, in the old "Questions to NX Director" as opposed to directly from the review itself.... Shame to see many missed opportunities with the 2/3 and 76 but at least the chosen changes are improvements nonetheless. I'm also glad the 45 will see a frequency boost as in my experience it is just as well used as the 47. The only thing baffling me is why they chose to extend the 1 to Shirley, apart from 3 replacement in Gospel Oak, I can't see the point of that at all but that's just my opinion. I'm also a bit confused as to why the 5 is now terminating in Solihull Town Centre when it has a generous 10 minute layover in the station as it is, surely there can't be much more time to be gained.
Solihull Town Centre could prove to be very interesting, with the increase of the 31, 5 being terminated in the Town Centre as well as the 30 laying over there!
Looking at the 5 & 31 timetable, they both seem to have 13/14 mins layover during the day? if i've worked it out right - which I probaly haven't! - things are going to be even worse in the Town Centre!
Is it possible the 5 and 31 will interwork?
Quote from: gc802002 on April 08, 2014, 10:03:54 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 08, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on April 08, 2014, 08:18:51 PM
Having had a proper look at the changes now, it's nice to see an earlier Sunday 35 journey has been added, although I wonder if this was influenced more by Simon's promise to look into it, in the old "Questions to NX Director" as opposed to directly from the review itself.... Shame to see many missed opportunities with the 2/3 and 76 but at least the chosen changes are improvements nonetheless. I'm also glad the 45 will see a frequency boost as in my experience it is just as well used as the 47. The only thing baffling me is why they chose to extend the 1 to Shirley, apart from 3 replacement in Gospel Oak, I can't see the point of that at all but that's just my opinion. I'm also a bit confused as to why the 5 is now terminating in Solihull Town Centre when it has a generous 10 minute layover in the station as it is, surely there can't be much more time to be gained.
Solihull Town Centre could prove to be very interesting, with the increase of the 31, 5 being terminated in the Town Centre as well as the 30 laying over there!
Looking at the 5 & 31 timetable, they both seem to have 13/14 mins layover during the day? if i've worked it out right - which I probaly haven't! - things are going to be even worse in the Town Centre!
Is it possible the 5 and 31 will interwork?
Thats what I was thinking but theres only 1 or 2 minutes difference in their arrival/departure times
I'm quite surprised at the 49 being reduced to every 15 mins between Cotteridge and Solihull. That was something I didn't expect.
Also, I am surprised that the X64 is serving Kitwell. Think this is a good idea however, and fingers crossed this new route will have see improved passengers on this route.
I am disappointed that the 29 has been reduced to hourly on a Sunday. Although the 29A has been introduced, the 29 always seemed to be quite busy along swarthmore road, and if anything I was hoping that the 29 / 29A frequency on a Saturday would be increased to match the weekday offering.
I am quite concerned with reliability on the 29 route with the extension to Frankley now. I'm not sure a direct link between Frankley and Weoley Castle is needed. Before the 20 back in 2009, this link never existed, but time will tell. If the 29 was to serve Rubery I could see the attraction, but the 29 and 29A are not direct routes to the city alternatives exist.
On NXWM bus changes page, it says they have added an extra buses to handful routes to improve reliability, where did this "extra" buses come from?
Quote from: gc802002 on April 08, 2014, 10:03:54 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 08, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on April 08, 2014, 08:18:51 PM
Having had a proper look at the changes now, it's nice to see an earlier Sunday 35 journey has been added, although I wonder if this was influenced more by Simon's promise to look into it, in the old "Questions to NX Director" as opposed to directly from the review itself.... Shame to see many missed opportunities with the 2/3 and 76 but at least the chosen changes are improvements nonetheless. I'm also glad the 45 will see a frequency boost as in my experience it is just as well used as the 47. The only thing baffling me is why they chose to extend the 1 to Shirley, apart from 3 replacement in Gospel Oak, I can't see the point of that at all but that's just my opinion. I'm also a bit confused as to why the 5 is now terminating in Solihull Town Centre when it has a generous 10 minute layover in the station as it is, surely there can't be much more time to be gained.
Solihull Town Centre could prove to be very interesting, with the increase of the 31, 5 being terminated in the Town Centre as well as the 30 laying over there!
Looking at the 5 & 31 timetable, they both seem to have 13/14 mins layover during the day? if i've worked it out right - which I probaly haven't! - things are going to be even worse in the Town Centre!
Is it possible the 5 and 31 will interwork?
Based on the new timetables, the 5 will depart Solihull 2 minutes before the 31, so that would reduce layover for buses from 14 to 12 minutes. Possible they will interwork but I can't see much point for the sake of 2 minutes, they are also timetabled to Arrive into Solihull 1 minute apart from each other... The logic behind the change, from first impressions at least, doesn't seem to make any sense, all it will do is cause more blocked bus stands in Solihull. Could always be a possibility a last minute bus stop change is coming in Solihull, to maybe free up a stand specifically for bus layovers but I doubt that as there would be 2 buses needing it at the same time during daytimes.
Change for the sake of change?
I have to agree terminating the 5 in the Town Centre seems a bit silly, often see it pick up a couple of passengers in the station and having buses terminate in the town means the driver is having to take his drop off either blocking off stops or parked illegally on the double yellows on Station Road, also if the 31 stop stays the same it already causes enough problems on a half hourly frequency, when there is a 37 also at the stop the 6/49/76 often has to offload in the middle of the road blocking traffic and is dangerous especially for the older folk, wheelchairs and buggies.
Also in the day the 1 seems to have a 17 minute drop back at Tesco, it kind of defeats the point of the red route if you have a bus pretty much blocking one lane most of the time not to mention this is also the 6 relief point and at times can get congested with drivers changing over and other buses having to squeeze past the parked bus, surely a more sensible solution would have been to terminate at the first stop on Haslucks Green Road which better serves the new shopping centre and return to Robin Hood via Haslucks Green Road, Newborough Road and Baldwins Lane.
Also anyone else see the logic of the having the last two 49's from Solihull on a weekday terminate at Cotteridge (as they do now) but oddly continue to Northfield on a Sunday?
Looking at the new timetables I'm wondering whether the 24 and 29/29A will inter work evenings and Sundays. Otherwise, the arrival and departure times for Colmore Row don't seem to work. If they will inter work it will give a 5 min layover time in the city centre, the same as the 22 and 23 will get on the new timetable.
Will BC need some additional buses with the extensions to the 45 and 29/A and 'extra buses' to aid reliability on some routes?
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
Looking at the new timetables I'm wondering whether the 24 and 29/29A will inter work evenings and Sundays. Otherwise, the arrival and departure times for Colmore Row don't seem to work. If they will inter work it will give a 5 min layover time in the city centre, the same as the 22 and 23 will get on the new timetable.
Will BC need some additional buses with the extensions to the 45 and 29/A and 'extra buses' to aid reliability on some routes?
Will interorking of evening/Sundays 29/A's mean the the Sunday 29 will become double decker operated or will the Sunday 24 become B7RLE operated instead of hybrid operation?
Quote from: Nathan on April 09, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
Looking at the new timetables I'm wondering whether the 24 and 29/29A will inter work evenings and Sundays. Otherwise, the arrival and departure times for Colmore Row don't seem to work. If they will inter work it will give a 5 min layover time in the city centre, the same as the 22 and 23 will get on the new timetable.
Will BC need some additional buses with the extensions to the 45 and 29/A and 'extra buses' to aid reliability on some routes?
Will interorking of evening/Sundays 29/A's mean the the Sunday 29 will become double decker operated or will the Sunday 24 become B7RLE operated instead of hybrid operation?
Don't hold me to it Nathan, I'm not sure they will inter work, it's just my thoughts from looking at the new timetables. I'll wait for an 'in the know' to confirm. But the same question you raised crossed my mind. I'd guess the 24 might use B7RLEs.
Does the 24 require Double Deckers on a Sunday?
Quote from: spudnick on April 09, 2014, 10:41:47 AM
Also in the day the 1 seems to have a 17 minute drop back at Tesco, it kind of defeats the point of the red route if you have a bus pretty much blocking one lane most of the time not to mention this is also the 6 relief point and at times can get congested with drivers changing over and other buses having to squeeze past the parked bus, surely a more sensible solution would have been to terminate at the first stop on Haslucks Green Road which better serves the new shopping centre and return to Robin Hood via Haslucks Green Road, Newborough Road and Baldwins Lane.
I don't see why the 1 couldn't terminate at Shirley station, at least it has somewhere out the way to layover, and would actually serve the Parkgate centre directly.
Also, it's been pointed out to me on my Facebook page that Network West Midlands have removed the 'review page' from their website!
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2014, 04:10:54 PM
I'm not sure they will inter work, it's just my thoughts from looking at the new timetables. I'll wait for an 'in the know' to confirm. But the same question you raised crossed my mind. I'd guess the 24 might use B7RLEs.
I really hope not, you should check out the loadings on Sundays, sir! (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fhappyyes.gif&hash=2f594af82b670994033907922a62210d25847937)
Quote from: Nathan on April 09, 2014, 05:43:28 PM
Does the 24 require Double Deckers on a Sunday?
I tend to see them around the Court Oak pub and by there loadings are quite light. The Harborne to City section can get busy but alternate Hybrid DDs on the 22/23 and B7RLEs on the 24/29 would cope I would imagine. All speculation of course.
Mirroring the 1 and 31 btwn Acocks Green and Pitmaston Rd is leaving significant sections of existing route with no service, ie the whole of Olton Blvd East, most of Gospel Lane and Shirley Rd south of School Rd. I appreciate the flip to this of course is that the chosen route does gain what NX describe as a 'turn up and go' frequency.
QuoteMirroring the 1 and 31 btwn Acocks Green and Pitmaston Rd is leaving significant sections of existing route with no service, ie the whole of Olton Blvd East, most of Gospel Lane and Shirley Rd south of School Rd. I appreciate the flip to this of course is that the chosen route does gain what NX describe as a 'turn up and go' frequency.
I agree it does leave many roads unserved, the Shirley Road - Pool Farm Road section on the 3 at least isn't busy at all and Pool Farm Road really isn't suitable for buses so doubling the number using it I don't think is a great plan, although it may get busier now its served by a more convenient service, its only really turn up and go if you only want to go as far as Springfield anyone wishing to go to town now has a longer wait than now unless they want to change onto another service, but of course neither NWM or NXWM will publicise where the service offered is actually getting worse.
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2014, 07:18:44 PM
Quote from: Nathan on April 09, 2014, 05:43:28 PM
Does the 24 require Double Deckers on a Sunday?
I tend to see them around the Court Oak pub and by there loadings are quite light. The Harborne to City section can get busy but alternate Hybrid DDs on the 22/23 and B7RLEs on the 24/29 would cope I would imagine. All speculation of course.
I'd feel quite hard done by if I lived in the 24, the Sunday daytime frequency got reduced from every 20 to 30 minutes, then they lost a direct service to the Markets, now their Sunday service could possibly see buses with less capacity
Quote from: spudnick on April 10, 2014, 12:08:13 AM
QuoteMirroring the 1 and 31 btwn Acocks Green and Pitmaston Rd is leaving significant sections of existing route with no service, ie the whole of Olton Blvd East, most of Gospel Lane and Shirley Rd south of School Rd. I appreciate the flip to this of course is that the chosen route does gain what NX describe as a 'turn up and go' frequency.
I agree it does leave many roads unserved, the Shirley Road - Pool Farm Road section on the 3 at least isn't busy at all and Pool Farm Road really isn't suitable for buses so doubling the number using it I don't think is a great plan, although it may get busier now its served by a more convenient service, its only really turn up and go if you only want to go as far as Springfield anyone wishing to go to town now has a longer wait than now unless they want to change onto another service, but of course neither NWM or NXWM will publicise where the service offered is actually getting worse.
For once, I'm actually a bit disappointed with this review outcome. I thought one of the objectives was to provide Gospel Oak with a faster and improved bus link to the city centre. Granted, the 3 probably wasn't a useful option in that respect, but at least the 31/A is every fifteen minutes. Now though, the 31 will be every 20 minutes, and will still get slowed down by traffic on the Stratford Road. And the 1 doesn't go to the city centre!
And yes I can see there being potential problems on Pool Farm Road, which is very narrow with enough room for one bus. At least with the current 3 service, the timings meant that buses didn't pass each other there, but now buses are going to be going up and down every 10 minutes, it will only take a delay somewhere, and buses will end up getting stuck!
Having witnessed some of the loadings myself on the 3, I wonder who all these people on Pool Farm Road are who asked for more buses? :o
Network review page, which disappeared for a bit, is now back up on NWM, complete with new style network map - http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReview2.aspx
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 10, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2014, 07:18:44 PM
Quote from: Nathan on April 09, 2014, 05:43:28 PM
Does the 24 require Double Deckers on a Sunday?
I tend to see them around the Court Oak pub and by there loadings are quite light. The Harborne to City section can get busy but alternate Hybrid DDs on the 22/23 and B7RLEs on the 24/29 would cope I would imagine. All speculation of course.
I'd feel quite hard done by if I lived in the 24, the Sunday daytime frequency got reduced from every 20 to 30 minutes, then they lost a direct service to the Markets, now their Sunday service could possibly see buses with less capacity
I used to hate the drop back time on Sundays, 24-27 minutes, three times.
Thank god they're finally making the 73 share a stop on Moor St. with the 17 now though. Makes a lot lot more sense as they follow pretty much the same route, and means the 73 will actually start getting decent loadings from Birmingham.
Quote from: JB93 on April 11, 2014, 03:45:50 AM
Thank god they're finally making the 73 share a stop on Moor St. with the 17 now though. Makes a lot lot more sense as they follow pretty much the same route, and means the 73 will actually start getting decent loadings from Birmingham.
My understanding is that it was originally given a separate stop so the people who specifically needed the 73, didn't lose out to the 17s loadings (if for example one didn't turn up). I guess has not worked.
Some timetable leaflets are available at the NXWM travel centre in The Pavilions. Yesterday, the following were on display :-
2/3, 5/5A/6, 18, 22/23/24, 29/29A, 31, 55/55A,56, 61/63, 72, 76, 98/99.
Sorr not had time to read the topic,
Whats happening witn 61/3 ? Is it just timetable changes
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 11, 2014, 07:47:23 PM
Sorr not had time to read the topic,
Whats happening witn 61/3 ? Is it just timetable changes
Just timetable changes:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReview2.aspx
I suppose if some good comes out of all this, at least it will mean the end (for now anyway!) of Dennis Tridents and ADL Enviros in Acocks Green village! :P
I've also noticed the map of the NEW 73 Timetable is wrong atm the 73 turns right out of Sedgmere Road onto Garretts Green Lane then left onto Horrell Road but the map is saying the 73 will be turning left onto Garretts Green Lane down to the island in conjuction with Sheldon Heath Road turn round there then back up Garretts Green Lane then left onto Horrell Road.
Does anybody know whether the 73 will be doing that from 27th April or is it just a misprint?
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2014, 08:20:39 PM
I suppose if some good comes out of all this, at least it will mean the end (for now anyway!) of Dennis Tridents and ADL Enviros in Acocks Green village! :P
How do you mean?
NXWM and NWM still don't get it, by making routes longer (especially the routes to and from City) they will become more unreliable. A good example of this is the extension of the 29 to Frankley. So here are some of my ideas instea
Leave the 29 as it is terminating at Northfield.
A new route (lets call it 44) Harborne to Longbridge via War Lane, Barnes Hill, Weoley Castle, Northfield, Frankley, Rubery, Leach Green Lane, Lickey Road and Longbridge Lane - every 30 minutes in between the 49's combining to give an approximate frequency of every 15 minutes between Northfield and Longbridge.
Shorten the 98 to Rednal only.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 12, 2014, 11:23:12 AM
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2014, 08:20:39 PM
I suppose if some good comes out of all this, at least it will mean the end (for now anyway!) of Dennis Tridents and ADL Enviros in Acocks Green village! :P
How do you mean?
Well, as the 3 isn't going to go to Acocks Green anymore, it'll mean no more Tridents in the village!
Oh I forgot about the 3.
Does anyone know the precise route of the new X64 to Woodgate? I'm looking at a map and can't see how it'll loop round and back on itself to finish at Adams Hill? Or is it terminating at the 23 terminus? Make more sense then.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 16, 2014, 06:31:37 PM
Does anyone know the precise route of the new X64 to Woodgate? I'm looking at a map and can't see how it'll loop round and back on itself to finish at Adams Hill? Or is it terminating at the 23 terminus? Make more sense then.
Here is the map: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/timetables_Birmingahm/SB_map.pdf
It seems the new X64 will terminate at the 23 terminus.
New service X64 timetable and map (PDF):
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/timetables_Birmingahm/X64_with_map.pdf
Quote from: P419 EJW on April 16, 2014, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 16, 2014, 06:31:37 PM
Does anyone know the precise route of the new X64 to Woodgate? I'm looking at a map and can't see how it'll loop round and back on itself to finish at Adams Hill? Or is it terminating at the 23 terminus? Make more sense then.
Here is the map: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/timetables_Birmingahm/SB_map.pdf
It seems the new X64 will terminate at the 23 terminus.
Excellent tool! That really is fantastic. I made a bit of a boob forgetting the NWM website...
Quote from: Stu on April 16, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
New service X64 timetable and map (PDF):
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/timetables_Birmingahm/X64_with_map.pdf
Thanks Stu, that's an ideal print off. Thanks again.
Hope this 311/313 change is worth it.
Just waited 20 minutes on the main road by the Metro Parkway in Wednesbury for one to turn up!
Quote from: Sayeed_M on April 09, 2014, 07:01:20 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2014, 04:10:54 PM
I'm not sure they will inter work, it's just my thoughts from looking at the new timetables. I'll wait for an 'in the know' to confirm. But the same question you raised crossed my mind. I'd guess the 24 might use B7RLEs.
I really hope not, you should check out the loadings on Sundays, sir! (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fhappyyes.gif&hash=2f594af82b670994033907922a62210d25847937)
2148 on the 24 today so looks like it does inter work with the 29/A using B7RLEs on evenings and Sundays now.
Does anyone know if the 29/29A will remain single deck??
Quote from: jnl1984 on April 27, 2014, 12:15:17 PM
Does anyone know if the 29/29A will remain single deck??
It is today.
Having fun in Acocks Green today, as nobody seems to know where the 1 and 31 are stopping!
There's a chap from Bus Users UK there, trying to direct people to the right stop, even the bus drivers don't seem to know where to stop!
Did take a trip on the 31 to Solihull earlier, overheard some people talking, seems they're quite pleased it goes to Solihull on Sundays now, although because of the roadworks on Dolphin Lane its still following the old route. Looks like drivers get a nice 30min layover at Solihull now, our bus arrived as the next one was leaving; don't know where he went to layover, but he came back half an hour later for the next journey out.
Doesn't seem as though NX were prepared for the changes to the 45, I've seen blinds displaying Longbridge and Rednal today - may explain why I haven't seen a single person on the bus as it passes the old 62 terminus
Quote from: Russ Smith on April 27, 2014, 04:23:20 PM
Doesn't seem as though NX were prepared for the changes to the 45, I've seen blinds displaying Longbridge and Rednal today - may explain why I haven't seen a single person on the bus as it passes the old 62 terminus
The new destination for the 45 seems to be Rednal. I saw a LED displaying 'Rednal then Cofton Hackett' but this isn't shown on flip dot.
flags haven't been changed around gospel oak for the 1/31 and drivers couldn't understand why they still had to use the old route as no workers are out on dolphin lane today.
Quote from: Stu on April 27, 2014, 02:23:40 PM
Having fun in Acocks Green today, as nobody seems to know where the 1 and 31 are stopping!
There's a chap from Bus Users UK there, trying to direct people to the right stop, even the bus drivers don't seem to know where to stop!
Did take a trip on the 31 to Solihull earlier, overheard some people talking, seems they're quite pleased it goes to Solihull on Sundays now, although because of the roadworks on Dolphin Lane its still following the old route. Looks like drivers get a nice 30min layover at Solihull now, our bus arrived as the next one was leaving; don't know where he went to layover, but he came back half an hour later for the next journey out.
Is the 31 still DD on Sundays.
Quote from: Mike K on April 27, 2014, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on April 09, 2014, 07:01:20 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2014, 04:10:54 PM
I'm not sure they will inter work, it's just my thoughts from looking at the new timetables. I'll wait for an 'in the know' to confirm. But the same question you raised crossed my mind. I'd guess the 24 might use B7RLEs.
I really hope not, you should check out the loadings on Sundays, sir! (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fhappyyes.gif&hash=2f594af82b670994033907922a62210d25847937)
2148 on the 24 today so looks like it does inter work with the 29/A using B7RLEs on evenings and Sundays now.
How are the loadings looking on the 24?
I popped over to Acocks Green this morning to have a look after reading various comments on Emails and this Internet forum.
I immediately noticed "where to catch your bus stop posters" have not been updated. It also became immediately apparent that the route colours did not match up with the route map produced for the changes.
I was particularly unimpressed by the position of change information on shelter glazing in the line of sight of oncoming buses.
One shelter had a notice relating to Solihull bus stops in 2009 and another still had the consultation notice as well as the changes.
It's abundantly clear there is no joined up thinking when it comes to communication on service changes.
Notices stuck on shelter glazing invariably leave adhesive when removed and ought to be in the timetable panel to be removed when services have settled in.
I noticed the 1 still terminated at Acocks Green on the real time screen instead of Five Ways where it was going.
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 27, 2014, 07:49:28 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 27, 2014, 02:23:40 PM
Having fun in Acocks Green today, as nobody seems to know where the 1 and 31 are stopping!
There's a chap from Bus Users UK there, trying to direct people to the right stop, even the bus drivers don't seem to know where to stop!
Did take a trip on the 31 to Solihull earlier, overheard some people talking, seems they're quite pleased it goes to Solihull on Sundays now, although because of the roadworks on Dolphin Lane its still following the old route. Looks like drivers get a nice 30min layover at Solihull now, our bus arrived as the next one was leaving; don't know where he went to layover, but he came back half an hour later for the next journey out.
Is the 31 still DD on Sundays.
Yes, still DD during the daytime, and switches to single-decks off the 37 in the evening as before.
As this morning though, the evening journeys were using the old '31E Solihull Lane' displays, although the service now finishes on Olton Road in Shirley (turns round at the new Haslucks Green island)
Quote from: JoNi on April 27, 2014, 09:53:12 PM
I popped over to Acocks Green this morning to have a look after reading various comments on Emails and this Internet forum.
I immediately noticed "where to catch your bus stop posters" have not been updated. It also became immediately apparent that the route colours did not match up with the route map produced for the changes.
I was particularly unimpressed by the position of change information on shelter glazing in the line of sight of oncoming buses.
One shelter had a notice relating to Solihull bus stops in 2009 and another still had the consultation notice as well as the changes.
It's abundantly clear there is no joined up thinking when it comes to communication on service changes.
Notices stuck on shelter glazing invariably leave adhesive when removed and ought to be in the timetable panel to be removed when services have settled in.
I noticed the 1 still terminated at Acocks Green on the real time screen instead of Five Ways where it was going.
The real-time information display has only been showing timetabled information for the last couple of weeks anyway, hence why the 31A was still listed!
Just noticed that the evening 72 B'ham - Clock garage is dropping to an hourly frequency, Bad news all round:
1) The friendly locals will now only have one bus per hour to use for target practice.....
2) The remaining 'normal' customers will disappear as they will soon tire of waiting for up to an hour for the service, only to find there's no service whatsoever 'cos some nice person has bricked the sole bus out.....
..... Certainly glad I don't live there any more, & for once that has nothing to do with the natives !
Despite being publicised as being 'extended to Shirley', the display of the new extended 1 journeys shows 'Hall Green' with 'Haslucks Green Road' on the lower line, before alternating between the via points!
Also, don't know whether the driver was using an old display stored in the Hanover, but noticed earlier today a YW Trident on the 3 heading to Birmingham was still showing Robin Hood Island and Gospel Oak in the via points!
I'm confused by the new X64 timetable. During the day it seems to arrive at the Field Lane terminus at 05/35 mins past the hour and depart at 03/33. Is this an error or does each one get 28 mins layover at the terminus?
There was a Wright Eclipse Urban 2 on the 1 this morning; found it odd to look out of the window on the 76 and see the 1 go past! ;)
Does anyone know of a reason why the majority of the 29/29A's are still displaying Northfield? This was causing much confusion with passengers earlier!
Same story on the 650/34, today there was an 06 reg Solo on there with a working LED display (was blank on arrival, left with "Diamond <> Buses" showing after the driver had played with it), and a piece of paper in the windscreen with 34 written on it. Presumably it hadn't been reprogrammed with the new route number.
Watched almost every X64 today out the window of the library and honestly did not see a single passenger going from Newman University upto Woodgate, and only one person heading towards Birmingham! Seems a quieter terminus than Great Park at the moment!
This is not helped by the fact that Cromwell Lane is closed with the 18, 48, 002 and X64 seemingly making their own route up to get in and out of Bartley Green, all going slightly different ways round the Genners lane triangle
Quote from: jnl1984 on April 29, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
Does anyone know of a reason why the majority of the 29/29A's are still displaying Northfield? This was causing much confusion with passengers earlier!
The destination displays on the 29/A are a mess. As someone posted in the BC thread yesterday, the via points scroll but then abruptly vanish, they are in the wrong order and the 29A I saw this evening was showing Shenley Fields. I think they've been programmed by Stevie Wonder.
Quote from: Mike K on April 29, 2014, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: jnl1984 on April 29, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
Does anyone know of a reason why the majority of the 29/29A's are still displaying Northfield? This was causing much confusion with passengers earlier!
The destination displays on the 29/A are a mess. As someone posted in the BC thread yesterday, the via points scroll but then abruptly vanish, they are in the wrong order and the 29A I saw this evening was showing Shenley Fields. I think they've been programmed by Stevie Wonder.
I noticed on 4428 on the 70 today that the via points were scrolling but are all in punctuation marks e.g. ..........'''''''''''';;;;;;;;;;;;;
This may seem crazy, but I don't understand why the 45 displays "Rednal" and the 47 displays "Cofton Hackett" when they have the same terminus.
Well done Network West Midlands for not showing any of the changes on the "service changes" pages of the website, plus other changes happened like the 311/3 not calling at Wednesbury Parkway metro stop which weren't shown either!
Quote from: sonic84 on April 30, 2014, 08:18:00 PM
This may seem crazy, but I don't understand why the 45 displays "Rednal" and the 47 displays "Cofton Hackett" when they have the same terminus.
I guess it's to differentiate between the two routes until people are used to it, and I think as a technicality the 45 actual last stop is in the Rednal border and 47 obviously Cofton Hackett. I dare say it will change to the same termini designated on the next blind change - as like the 61/63.
Looking at the new Network map I was tracing the 49 from Solihull and glanced up the map to see that the 49 terminates in Bearwood bus station. Similarly, tracing the 61 from the Bristol Road there again is 61 at Bearwood. It's absurd that a map shows two entirely separate routes with the same number. There may be others.
Quote from: Stevo on May 01, 2014, 05:42:54 PM
Looking at the new Network map I was tracing the 49 from Solihull and glanced up the map to see that the 49 terminates in Bearwood bus station. Similarly, tracing the 61 from the Bristol Road there again is 61 at Bearwood. It's absurd that a map shows two entirely separate routes with the same number. There may be others.
Is there a 49 & 61 that goes to Bearwood?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 02, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: Stevo on May 01, 2014, 05:42:54 PM
Looking at the new Network map I was tracing the 49 from Solihull and glanced up the map to see that the 49 terminates in Bearwood bus station. Similarly, tracing the 61 from the Bristol Road there again is 61 at Bearwood. It's absurd that a map shows two entirely separate routes with the same number. There may be others.
Is there a 49 & 61 that goes to Bearwood?
Yes:-
Central buses 61 Bearwood to Perry Barr
NXWM 49 Bearwood to West Bromwich
Quote from: Stu on April 08, 2014, 06:45:06 PM
The route info for the new 1 service looks wrong.
The page says that it will serve the new development in Shirley, but the map and route state that it terminates and begins from the Tesco in Hall Green!
Also disappointing to see that both the 1 and 31 are actually seeing decreases in frequency.
Quote from: Stu on April 28, 2014, 06:17:16 PM
Despite being publicised as being 'extended to Shirley', the display of the new extended 1 journeys shows 'Hall Green' with 'Haslucks Green Road' on the lower line, before alternating between the via points!
I see that the bus stop flags and timetable boards on the ground indicate the first/last stop as Hall Green boundary (just before Tesco). But even if 1 journeys are also serving the Sandy Hill Lane stop this is still some way from the new Haslucks Green Road island (and hence Shirley shops) [ref: netwmtravelmap.com]. For all the publicity about service 1 serving Shirley it doesn't really in reality.
I recall a time when minibuses from Solihull turned at the Jacey Road island just off Stratford Road. Perhaps some of this space (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.415296,-1.828279,3a,75y,226.11h,77.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sX6acCQW-7n5uE492P2LeRw!2e0) could be used to create a proper layby just off the main road for terminating service 1 (and 31E evening journeys and 3E sunday journeys). The new right turn arrangement out of Jacey Road also looks tight for a bus but this could easily be widened.
Or alternatively Stanway Road a bit further down and a layover here (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.41271,-1.825521,3a,89.5y,235.72h,66.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQmMlKLO4P4z44XLzFZHLMA!2e0)?
On a different matter I noticed service 50 has been added to stop flags and timetable boards outside YW garage and on Glenavon Road thanks to one GTC bus a day (http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=26050&net=cen&project=y11&sup=%20&lineVer=3&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=26050&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=%20&itdLPxx_lineVer=3&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=) diverting off Alcester Road for some reason.
Quote from: Busmapper on May 04, 2014, 01:26:08 PM
I see that the bus stop flags and timetable boards on the ground indicate the first/last stop as Hall Green boundary (just before Tesco). But even if 1 journeys are also serving the Sandy Hill Lane stop this is still some way from the new Haslucks Green Road island (and hence Shirley shops) [ref: netwmtravelmap.com]. For all the publicity about service 1 serving Shirley it doesn't really in reality.
I recall a time when minibuses from Solihull turned at the Jacey Road island just off Stratford Road. Perhaps some of this space (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.415296,-1.828279,3a,75y,226.11h,77.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sX6acCQW-7n5uE492P2LeRw!2e0) could be used to create a proper layby just off the main road for terminating service 1 (and 31E evening journeys and 3E sunday journeys). The new right turn arrangement out of Jacey Road also looks tight for a bus but this could easily be widened.
Or alternatively Stanway Road a bit further down and a layover here (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.41271,-1.825521,3a,89.5y,235.72h,66.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQmMlKLO4P4z44XLzFZHLMA!2e0)?
I agree that a layover point in Shirley would be highly desirable for the 1, 3E and 31E. I wonder if NX and/or Network West Midlands are on the case?
Unfortunately I cannot see Stacey Road or Stanway Road being used, partly because the layover point would be outside rather nice houses and partly because of awkward right turns onto Stratford Road. There was in fact a peak hour double deck Midland Red (and later WMPTE) service that used Stanway Road, but that was eventually diverted along Solihull Road instead.
There is an apparently temporary long stay car park on Haslucks Green Road, which was created for all-day parking by shop and office workers when a large car park was closed to make room for the new development that opens shortly. It is not clear what the future for that car park is. I wonder if some of that could be used as a terminal (or just layover) point?
The current terminus points for the 1, 3E and 31E are very convenient for NXWM, as they can all use the new Haslucks Green Island to turn around and start their return journey.
However it seems the big problem is that this is not very convenient for passengers, who were expecting better links to Shirley and the Parkgate development, as all these services stop someway short of Shirley itself!
I was in Shirley yesterday, and couldn't help but notice that the Burger King, next to Renault Solihull, has closed down, and the site is up for grabs (for development).
There's probably just enough land there for some kind of small bus terminus; put a break in the median, and lose a couple of parking spaces, signpost it "Buses only, no u-turn" or something like that. Maybe even have a handful of parking spaces in the terminus, or even a cycle hub?
Bus Stops in Acocks Green have been changed, the timetables for 1/31 removed from AJ although 1/31 put on the flag with ring and ride removed. AH now only 37/40
EDIT: the first 31 I see used AH!
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on May 06, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
Bus Stops in Acocks Green have been changed, the timetables for 1/31 removed from AJ although 1/31 put on the flag with ring and ride removed. AH now only 37/40
EDIT: the first 31 I see used AH!
I think you meant 36 & 40 at stand AH! ;)
Yes I was pleased to see that it has all been somewhat resolved in the village now, stand AL now shows 1 on the flag and the timetable poster has been replaced and shows the 1 timetable also.
However, it is annoying that NWM/Centro still can't get it quite right; as you say, they've replaced the flag on stand AJ, so it now correctly shows the 1 and 31 towards Shirley/Solihull, but they've removed the timetable poster that had been put in previously, which did correctly have the 1 and 31 timetables on! :-\
Quote from: Stu on May 06, 2014, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on May 06, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
Bus Stops in Acocks Green have been changed, the timetables for 1/31 removed from AJ although 1/31 put on the flag with ring and ride removed. AH now only 37/40
EDIT: the first 31 I see used AH!
I think you meant 36 & 40 at stand AH! ;)
Yes I was pleased to see that it has all been somewhat resolved in the village now, stand AL now shows 1 on the flag and the timetable poster has been replaced and shows the 1 timetable also.
However, it is annoying that NWM/Centro still can't get it quite right; as you say, they've replaced the flag on stand AJ, so it now correctly shows the 1 and 31 towards Shirley/Solihull, but they've removed the timetable poster that had been put in previously, which did correctly have the 1 and 31 timetables on! :-\
I did yes!
I did pop in to AG garage to see what was happening with which stops the buses were meat to be stopping at - passengers not very happy as they didn't know where to stand - but all I was told was to contact Centro!
Unfortunately yes, the stops are the responsibility of Centro / Network West Midlands, and not the bus operators, but I think things haven't helped over the last week and a bit with the bus operators not knowing which stops they should be using, and just using stops that 'have the number on the flag'.
For example on Sunday, I was waiting at stand AH to catch the 31 to get to Shirley, when a 1E pulled up, displaying Broad Street as its destination. The driver unloaded his passengers, and then people started getting on, and then got off, presumably as they thought he was going to Shirley! (although the 1 doesn't go there on Sunday) Meanwhile a 31 was pulled up behind, trying to get onto the stand, thus blocking Shirley Road for all other traffic coming off Warwick Road!
Last Sunday, the 31 drivers were refusing to use stand AJ because 'it says Ring-and-Ride on the flag' although the shelter had 1 & 31 timetables inside!
Hopefully the confusion should go away, but I'll be looking to see whether drivers use the correct stops next weekend.