Not a pensnett bus on fire mm..
Do wonder how this happened though
Looks as though it's a fire in the engine compartment,
Not knock PE, nothing has combusted for a few months, that said bonfire night is looming...... ;)
Burn Volvo Burn, B7 inferno!
Always a pleasure to see one of these hateful things burn.
I wonder if the overheating alarm was sounding lol
Shame, the Presidents really heralded the fleet modernisation back in the tail end of the nineties, after the Spectra false dawn. Would be a pity to see another one go.
Image updated
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 01, 2013, 03:00:26 PM
Burn Volvo Burn, B7 inferno!
Always a pleasure to see one of these hateful things burn.
I wonder if the overheating alarm was sounding lol
I'd rather have a B7TL over a Trident any day, and would also take a President over a Gemini any day. Every person is different though.
Quote from: ChrisF7165 on November 01, 2013, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 01, 2013, 03:00:26 PM
Burn Volvo Burn, B7 inferno!
Always a pleasure to see one of these hateful things burn.
I wonder if the overheating alarm was sounding lol
I'd rather have a B7TL over a Trident any day, and would also take a President over a Gemini any day. Every person is different though.
Fair enough, and oddly I'd rather a B7RLE over any bus. Except Metros, but that's a different era.
Looking at the update image, I guess this thing will not be repaired.
Anyone have any idea what it is about the Presidents that seem to make them extra combustible?
Was the first image before the fire really took hold?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 01, 2013, 04:20:56 PM
Fair enough, and oddly I'd rather a B7RLE over any bus. Except Metros ...
Don't like B7RLE's!! But Metros were a class above the rest.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=639116986138375&set=a.407401772643232.111602.217353058314772&type=1&relevant_count=1
Looks like it's been put out, you may need a Facebook account to view the above link.
I would like to see it repaired, but I can not see it somehow. I do like the Presidents from a passegners point of view.
Was it on the 1 or the 11 at the time?
Quote from: John on November 01, 2013, 06:30:37 PM
Was it on the 1 or the 11 at the time?
It was not in service, and was heading back to the garage. There were no passengers on board.
i like it how everyone seems to be experts when it comes to things like this.
One comment is "Over revved engine glad no one hurt", how does this person know this, if it was NIS then the only person who knows exactly what happened would be the driver.
Quote from: vinh1000 on November 01, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Not a pensnett bus on fire mm..
Do wonder how this happened though
Mmm...I like my president extra crispy!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 01, 2013, 06:45:52 PM
i like it how everyone seems to be experts when it comes to things like this.
One comment is "Over revved engine glad no one hurt", how does this person know this, if it was NIS then the only person who knows exactly what happened would be the driver.
Lol. An over revved engine will not cause this. (It would cut out before any damage was caused! Same when they have no water)
More likely a broken thermostat sensor so the thing didn't know when to cool itself down. Only speculation of course.
Well YW are in a good position now to release a President to help AG
I had imposed silence on myself but such a spectacular passing of one of these sheds (with no reported injuries) is too tempting an opportunity not to celebrate I'm afraid.
What a pity the wind wasn't blowing towards the pits at AG where no doubt another 5 or 6 were in their usual residence being bodged up to just about limp round another circuit on the 11 before expiring again.
I think theyre the best deckers along with the geminis that NX have. The interiors are great, they don't rattle like the tridents and actually have heaters that work. Always liked presidents but they do have quite a small engine don't they-they never like the heat either-on the bristol road on a hot day they would sound awful.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 02, 2013, 02:52:07 PM
I think theyre the best deckers along with the geminis that NX have. The interiors are great, they don't rattle like the tridents and actually have heaters that work. Always liked presidents but they do have quite a small engine don't they-they never like the heat either-on the bristol road on a hot day they would sound awful.
7 litres engines aren't they, isn't that was the 7 in B7TL stands for?
Quote from: John on November 02, 2013, 03:12:18 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 02, 2013, 02:52:07 PM
I think theyre the best deckers along with the geminis that NX have. The interiors are great, they don't rattle like the tridents and actually have heaters that work. Always liked presidents but they do have quite a small engine don't they-they never like the heat either-on the bristol road on a hot day they would sound awful.
7 litres engines aren't they, isn't that was the 7 in B7TL stands for?
7.3 litres to be precise. ;)
But yes you're right. Likewise the B9 have a 9.3 litre engine, and the B5 have a 5 litre engine (in conjunction with the electric motor)
And aren't the Tridents 10 litres? With the same body in the case of the B7 ALX400's? which surely accounts for their rather more stately progress
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 02, 2013, 04:32:57 PM
And aren't the Tridents 10 litres? With the same body in the case of the B7 ALX400's? which surely accounts for their rather more stately progress
5.9 litres, according to my vehicle reg lookup
Are B10s 10.3 litres then?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
Are B10s 10.3 litres then?
I personally think they're 9.6 from memory, someone will no doubt correct me if that is wrong! DVLA doesn't seem to agree with me and says 1411 is 7.5 litres, it is also saying 1406 has 0 litres and 1407/1408 are "unavailable".
Quote from: trident4370 on November 02, 2013, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
Are B10s 10.3 litres then?
I personally think they're 9.6 from memory, someone will no doubt correct me if that is wrong! DVLA doesn't seem to agree with me and says 1411 is 7.5 litres, it is also saying 1406 has 0 litres and 1407/1408 are "unavailable".
How are you looking up engine sizes of vehicles Joe?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 10:52:57 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on November 02, 2013, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
Are B10s 10.3 litres then?
I personally think they're 9.6 from memory, someone will no doubt correct me if that is wrong! DVLA doesn't seem to agree with me and says 1411 is 7.5 litres, it is also saying 1406 has 0 litres and 1407/1408 are "unavailable".
How are you looking up engine sizes of vehicles Joe?
https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/app/enquiry?execution=e1s2 but the dvla hasn't said any of our b10ls are 9.6 although I still think that they are.
Quote from: Stu on November 02, 2013, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 02, 2013, 04:32:57 PM
And aren't the Tridents 10 litres? With the same body in the case of the B7 ALX400's? which surely accounts for their rather more stately progress
5.9 litres, according to my vehicle reg lookup
Earlier ones are coming up as 8.2 which seems more likely
Quote from: trident4370 on November 02, 2013, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 10:52:57 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on November 02, 2013, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
Are B10s 10.3 litres then?
I personally think they're 9.6 from memory, someone will no doubt correct me if that is wrong! DVLA doesn't seem to agree with me and says 1411 is 7.5 litres, it is also saying 1406 has 0 litres and 1407/1408 are "unavailable".
According to the vehicle lookup available to me (I work in automotive parts distribution) 1411 (P411EJW) is a 9.6 litre engine. Which sounds about right being a B10 ;)
How are you looking up engine sizes of vehicles Joe?
https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/app/enquiry?execution=e1s2 but the dvla hasn't said any of our b10ls are 9.6 although I still think that they are.
Tridents have the Cummins C series 8.3 litre. Don't take Volvo codes as gospel - B10 = 9.6 litre, B6 = 5.45 litre
Quote from: Winston on November 01, 2013, 02:49:51 PM
Looks as though it's a fire in the engine compartment,
Not knock PE, nothing has combusted for a few months, that said bonfire night is looming...... ;)
In light of today's events with 1658, what are tomorrows lottery numbers?
Quote from: davey on November 05, 2013, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 01, 2013, 02:49:51 PM
Looks as though it's a fire in the engine compartment,
Not knock PE, nothing has combusted for a few months, that said bonfire night is looming...... ;)
In light of today's events with 1658, what are tomorrows lottery numbers?
Forgot I'd posted that ;)
Extra few lines on the lottery for me, just call me Mystic Meg or more like Septic Peg
Quote from: davey on November 05, 2013, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 01, 2013, 02:49:51 PM
Looks as though it's a fire in the engine compartment,
Not knock PE, nothing has combusted for a few months, that said bonfire night is looming...... ;)
In light of today's events with 1658, what are tomorrows lottery numbers?
Not before I get them off Winston first that soothsayer!! Haha
A friend of mine said he saw a bus on fire outside acocks green garage today, then I noticed a post on a facebook page confirming this. I just wondered if anybody knew the bus in question?
Quote from: trident4370 on November 09, 2013, 06:32:46 PM
A friend of mine said he saw a bus on fire outside acocks green garage today, then I noticed a post on a facebook page confirming this. I just wondered if anybody knew the bus in question?
Today? Haven't heard of anything happening round here today. You got a link to the Facebook post?
I don't know how to link to posts but it was on the 50 shades of birmingham page this morning, also my friend did say he drove past it at about 11:20 ish this morning.
Quote from: Stu on November 09, 2013, 06:38:17 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on November 09, 2013, 06:32:46 PM
A friend of mine said he saw a bus on fire outside acocks green garage today, then I noticed a post on a facebook page confirming this. I just wondered if anybody knew the bus in question?
Today? Haven't heard of anything happening round here today. You got a link to the Facebook post?
https://www.facebook.com/50sob.co.ukOfficial/posts/250694681747879
I heard something on the driver's radio about a diversion in Acocks Green but didnt hear it properly. I thought I heard something about a bus fire, the driver seemed to be joking about it aswell.
On Birmingham Mail website now, with video:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/video-birmingham-bus-fire-acocks-6289126
Quote from: Stu on November 10, 2013, 01:22:28 PM
On Birmingham Mail website now, with video:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/video-birmingham-bus-fire-acocks-6289126
That one doesn't look so bad
That does look salvageable, certainly one of the milder fires. Shame though as I seem to remember 4050 being a nice one :(
Interesting spate of engine fires.......presumably will have an effect on insurance premiums???
Quote from: don on November 10, 2013, 02:01:30 PM
Interesting spate of engine fires.......presumably will have an effect on insurance premiums???
I think NXWM self insure...
Quote from: trident4370 on November 10, 2013, 01:55:13 PM
That does look salvageable, certainly one of the milder fires. Shame though as I seem to remember 4050 being a nice one :(
Not a chance. The smoke damage alone will have finished it off, that fire was burning too long and fumes had entered both saloons.
The reason you may think of 4050 as one of the nicer ones is that it was hardly ever on the road, one of the ones that pretty much had its own dedicated pit.
Hopefully somebody at NX will now be concerned enough to notice and investigate these sheds and act before they attempt to get them through another winter as the broken backbone of one of the region's most important bus routes.
Sadly I think you're right about the smoke damage. I wouldn't go that far though, I always used to see 4050, far more than 4075 and even managed to film it on one occasion. Probably just a case of one bus being elusive to one person but not to another. Certainly wouldn't call them sheds either, some are beasts!
One thing that does make me wonder is now AG are down 2 buses, will the replacements come in the form of presidents from YW, or perhaps something else.
4075 now at Miller Street