You know what to do... BRB, have to write something in 'Unusual Workings July 2013' :D
Quote from: clayderman on August 01, 2013, 12:15:56 AM
You know what to do... BRB, have to write something in 'Unusual Workings July 2013' :D
This topic has already be started by 6013
Needs to be changed to "workings" :P
Is 820 on Wb5 unusual?
Edit also 4083 on 83
820 on WB5 id a daily thing
2085 297
4057 > 42
4193 > X96
Quote from: Andrew on August 01, 2013, 10:22:24 AM
4057 > 42
4193 > X96
Andrew, when did you see these?
Quote from: Andrew on August 01, 2013, 10:22:24 AM
4057 > 42
4193 > X96
Will try and catch 4193 on the X96 today
4574 27A
4115 also on the 42/43 today.
4198 on 9 today
4827 222
586 on the 59
1660 on the 59
4594 is on the 1
4198 on the 9
4001/4015 on the 529 (Both running together consecutivley
1662 also on the 59
Went for my first time ride on the 59, i saw on there;
5511
5513
5514
4001
4003
4013
4016
4019
4022
obviously spectra day on the 59 today!
1884 on the 77
4197 also on 9
2088 on 246
4195 on the 9. Came from Birmingham showing Birmingham on the display and pulled up by Quinton church so presumably running a 9E.
Quote from: N94 on August 01, 2013, 05:03:33 PM
4195 on the 9. Came from Birmingham showing Birmingham on the display and pulled up by Quinton church so presumably running a 9E.
Was on the 246 at lunchtime
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 01, 2013, 03:18:43 PM
1662 also on the 59
Replace 586 which failed in W'ton Bus Station
Stu, 4001 is on the 529 so not on the 59. 4003/13 are not on this afternoon
Record number of Tridents on the 9 today then
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 01, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
Record number of Tridents on the 9 today then
Well 4813 broke down in dudley and 2091 and 4814 are on the 246
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 01, 2013, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 01, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
Record number of Tridents on the 9 today then
Well 4813 broke down in dudley and 2091 and 4814 are on the 246
Not again :'(
2088 also on 246, 4193 on X96 and 4195, 4197 and 4198 on 9
First time theres been that much Trident action on full 9s since 2009 :D
586 failed again? "Sighs and scratches head"
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 01, 2013, 05:33:18 PM
First time theres been that much Trident action on full 9s since 2009 :D
586 failed again? "Sighs and scratches head"
Technically, the 9 has been 99% Trident-operated since 2009 ;)
Not sure what has happened but 4685 just came past me on the X51 heading for Birmingham but was on the West Bromwich Road heading towards Joseph Leckie basically on the 4 line of route. The bus was in service as there were quite a few passengers on board is it a diversion or has the driver got lost.
Bo i mean actual dennis/transbus tridents proper tridents rather than trident enviros
4897 & 4908 on the 24
Quote from: Ash on August 01, 2013, 05:54:03 PM
Not sure what has happened but 4685 just came past me on the X51 heading for Birmingham but was on the West Bromwich Road heading towards Joseph Leckie basically on the 4 line of route. The bus was in service as there were quite a few passengers on board is it a diversion or has the driver got lost.
RTA Birmingham Road 4.00-600
51/X51 diverted between Boundary Hotel and The Bell
via Boradway North, West Bromwich Road, Walstead Road Right Birmingham Road (The Bell)
Are/were the 51/X51 route following the same route as WB5 as far as the A34 traffic lights?
No Walstaed Road
45 Route then come out The Bell
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 01, 2013, 06:11:42 PM
Bo i mean actual dennis/transbus tridents proper tridents rather than trident enviros
He was joking Ashley ;)
Oh, ok
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 01, 2013, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: N94 on August 01, 2013, 05:03:33 PM
4195 on the 9. Came from Birmingham showing Birmingham on the display and pulled up by Quinton church so presumably running a 9E.
Was on the 246 at lunchtime
If 4195 was opersting a 9E to Quinton Church this is a peak afternoon board. On schooldays does 829 St. Paul's School then round trip 9E Quinton Church to pick up the 1723 or 1738 140 to Dudley.
4823 - 120
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9418307610/
4193 - X96
B7 ( I think it was 2097 or 2094) - 297
Possibly a Branded 51 on the X51
Quote from: NathanJC on August 01, 2013, 08:16:21 PM
4823 - 120
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9418307610/
4193 - X96
B7 ( I think it was 2097 or 2094) - 297
Possibly a Branded 51 on the X51
2085 was on the 297 today
Quote from: NathanJC on August 01, 2013, 08:16:21 PM
4823 - 120
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9418307610/
4193 - X96
B7 ( I think it was 2097 or 2094) - 297
Possibly a Branded 51 on the X51
They really need to be careful to avoid doing stuff like that, if there's any other bus available for christ's sake use that instead
5510 - 126 (I think. Was a hybrid)
Just went on July thread, it needs to be closed that topic.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 01, 2013, 10:37:00 PM
5510 - 126 (I think. Was a hybrid)
Just went on July thread, it needs to be closed that topic.
Rode it on the 1 earlier but could be. Havn't seen 5512 today either so could be that. Can't be 5511/3/4 as they are still on the 59 this evening
5512 on 126, on the 22:03 out of Dudley towards Wolverhampton. Does that fit with when you saw the hybrid, Liverpool Street?
Pensnett was a mess today, with at least 3 Tridents (4195/7/8) on the 9, at least 2 B7s (2088/91) on the 246, 4193 on the X96 and 4823 on the 120. 4813 was also on the 276 earlier but then got moved back where it belongs, on the 9.
Meanwhile, Toothpaste Enviro 4735 was on the 40/41, probably the first time one's been into Wolverhampton Bus Station.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 01, 2013, 11:08:07 PM
5512 on 126, on the 22:03 out of Dudley towards Wolverhampton. Does that fit with when you saw the hybrid, Liverpool Street?
Pensnett was a mess today, with at least 3 Tridents (4195/7/8) on the 9, at least 2 B7s (2088/91) on the 246, 4193 on the X96 and 4823 on the 120. 4813 was also on the 276 earlier but then got moved back where it belongs, on the 9.
Meanwhile, Toothpaste Enviro 4735 was on the 40/41, probably the first time one's been into Wolverhampton Bus Station.
5512 was probably on the 126 all day as i never saw it on the 1 or 59. 4813 was replaced by 1516 at dudley with 4813 taken back to garage by an engineer
I think 4735 has the honour of being the first toothpaste enviro in wolverhampton bus station, a small part of my brains saying it isnt but we'll just say it is :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 01, 2013, 11:08:07 PM
5512 on 126, on the 22:03 out of Dudley towards Wolverhampton. Does that fit with when you saw the hybrid, Liverpool Street?
Pensnett was a mess today, with at least 3 Tridents (4195/7/8) on the 9, at least 2 B7s (2088/91) on the 246, 4193 on the X96 and 4823 on the 120. 4813 was also on the 276 earlier but then got moved back where it belongs, on the 9.
Meanwhile, Toothpaste Enviro 4735 was on the 40/41, probably the first time one's been into Wolverhampton Bus Station.
Heard 2 drivers talking this afternoon, from what they said, PEs Mercs have been suffering badly with overheating of late. Routes like the 205 & X96 with very little or no layover time have suffered particularly badly. Caught the X96 this afternoon and the one i wanted didn't show up, it had been turned at Merry Hill to allow the bus to cool down.
Also the 246 has seen very poor timekeeping and last night several drivers on other routes were asked to do 246E between Dudley and Brierley Hill to try to keep a service running.
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 01, 2013, 11:16:39 PM
I think 4735 has the honour of being the first toothpaste enviro in wolverhampton bus station, a small part of my brains saying it isnt but we'll just say it is :)
Well 4736 has done the 89 but that doesn't enter the station ;) They won't be toothpaste for longer now as they are the next buses from WA due for repaint/refurb
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 01, 2013, 11:20:08 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 01, 2013, 11:16:39 PM
I think 4735 has the honour of being the first toothpaste enviro in wolverhampton bus station, a small part of my brains saying it isnt but we'll just say it is :)
Well 4736 has done the 89 but that doesn't enter the station ;) They won't be toothpaste for longer now as they are the next buses from WA due for repaint/refurb
I knew someone would say that ;)
Just been told that 4200 was on 276 and 243/4 this evening, you can guess who was driving ;)
Did 19:30 243, 20:45 276 and 23:00 244
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 12:29:27 AM
Just been told that 4200 was on 276 and 243/4 this evening, you can guess who was driving ;)
Did 19:30 243, 20:45 276 and 23:00 244
How did it do a 243? Thought there was a low bridge on the route
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:41:29 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 12:29:27 AM
Just been told that 4200 was on 276 and 243/4 this evening, you can guess who was driving ;)
Did 19:30 243, 20:45 276 and 23:00 244
How did it do a 243? Thought there was a low bridge on the route
Nope there are no low bridges on the 243. Double deckers are kept off the 243 due to narrow roads
Plus deckers aren't really needed on the 243/4 as it coped easily with B6's
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:45:47 AM
Plus deckers aren't really needed on the 243/4 as it coped easily with B6's
It didn't always cope easily with B6s as they often got rammed full even when it's every 20 minutes.
However they said to him to literally "pick a bus", so he took a Trident ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 12:47:34 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:45:47 AM
Plus deckers aren't really needed on the 243/4 as it coped easily with B6's
It didn't always cope easily with B6s as they often got rammed full even when it's every 20 minutes.
However they said to him to literally "pick a bus", so he took a Trident ;)
And thats how 4199 got onto the 222 ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:52:12 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 12:47:34 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:45:47 AM
Plus deckers aren't really needed on the 243/4 as it coped easily with B6's
It didn't always cope easily with B6s as they often got rammed full even when it's every 20 minutes.
However they said to him to literally "pick a bus", so he took a Trident ;)
And thats how 4199 got onto the 222 ;)
Want to see one on the 205 now ;D
I do feel the 276 interworking with the 243/4 on an evening is silly. For the 276 which deserves DD especially at peaks, if DD shouldnt really be on the 243/4 then surely this is stopping some boards on the 276 really being able to have double deckers although tonight seems an exception. Hmmm.
Which part of the 276 is busy??i normally see it at the stourbridge end and it certainly does`nt need deckers then. So Dudle -Merry Hill or MH-Stourbridge.
Dudley - merry hill gets busy
Quote from: s94 on August 02, 2013, 01:24:06 AM
I do feel the 276 interworking with the 243/4 on an evening is silly. For the 276 which deserves DD especially at peaks, if DD shouldnt really be on the 243/4 then surely this is stopping some boards on the 276 really being able to have double deckers although tonight seems an exception. Hmmm.
Timetables fit together perfectly for minimal layover
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 12:42:53 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:41:29 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 12:29:27 AM
Just been told that 4200 was on 276 and 243/4 this evening, you can guess who was driving ;)
Did 19:30 243, 20:45 276 and 23:00 244
How did it do a 243? Thought there was a low bridge on the route
Nope there are no low bridges on the 243. Double deckers are kept off the 243 due to narrow roads
I think it's more to do with the trees around timbertree, a DD is more manoeuvrable than a full size SD.
4912 on the 24
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 02, 2013, 11:21:14 AM
4912 on the 24
That's getting more usual every day :)
President on the 89 seen in Blackheath at about 10:20
Also at least 3 Mercs are on the 246 today - 1553, 1645 and one other which I forgot
1616 is on the 222, I assume today's bus covering for 825
824 on the 243/4 today (Running up to 10 minutes late so was packed in Halesowen towards Hayley Green)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:58:36 PM
824 on the 243/4 today (Running up to 10 minutes late so was packed in Halesowen towards Hayley Green)
As there is obviously still good loads carried between Halesowen & Hayley Green on the 244, I still think NXWM should extend their 4H to take in the Hayley Green loop
Quote from: Winston on August 02, 2013, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:58:36 PM
824 on the 243/4 today (Running up to 10 minutes late so was packed in Halesowen towards Hayley Green)
As there is obviously still good loads carried between Halesowen & Hayley Green on the 244, I still think NXWM should extend their 4H to take in the Hayley Green loop
Well me and Matt were infact talkinng about the same idea of extending the NX 4H to Hayley Green. But tbh i think Diamond already have the Hayley Green loop covered already
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 12:58:36 PM
824 on the 243/4 today (Running up to 10 minutes late so was packed in Halesowen towards Hayley Green)
As there is obviously still good loads carried between Halesowen & Hayley Green on the 244, I still think NXWM should extend their 4H to take in the Hayley Green loop
Well me and Matt were infact talkinng about the same idea of extending the NX 4H to Hayley Green. But tbh i think Diamond already have the Hayley Green loop covered already
Diamond have the Hayley Green loop covered, but nothing to stop NX increasing competition. An extension may also boost NX's 4H loadings if it covered the entire former Ludlows 417 route
Quote from: hartshill busman on August 02, 2013, 05:24:52 AM
Which part of the 276 is busy??i normally see it at the stourbridge end and it certainly does`nt need deckers then. So Dudle -Merry Hill or MH-Stourbridge.
Dudley to merry hill is always busy to rammed however its often very busy into lye/pedmore as well. It's usually fairly quiet/average from there though.
4086 on WB83, seen on Sand Pits going towards City Centre
1864 on the 94, been a while since I've seen a single decker on there
Haven't seen one of these for a while on the Stratford Road, but spotted earlier B10L 1457 on the 2 (YW) heading into town.
(Had 2 on the rear blind, but didn't see the front so may have been working the 3)
Also at the same time, 4741 was heading the opposite way on the 6.
(More unusually, there was a 3E, 3 and a 2 all following each other out of town just before!)
Quote from: Kevin on August 02, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
1864 on the 94, been a while since I've seen a single decker on there
Kevin, are you sure it was 1864? As I thought this was still at NXC
Yes 1457 was on the 2 (Matt spotted it in Moor Street this afternoon)
unidentified enviro 400 on evening 276, past foley arms towards wollaston @ 1925
Quote from: Winston on August 02, 2013, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: Kevin on August 02, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
1864 on the 94, been a while since I've seen a single decker on there
Kevin, are you sure it was 1864? As I thought this was still at NXC
No! You meaning 1874! 1864 was working on the 16/A or 23 at today! 1867 to Walsall garage for repaint and collect 1678 to CV then replaced 4693 and on the 6/6A.
Quote from: andy on August 02, 2013, 07:45:54 PM
4600 on 126 with 529 branding
Trident on a Trident route. Unusual?
Quote from: andy on August 02, 2013, 08:21:45 PM
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4600 on 126 with 529 branding
Trident on a Trident route. Unusual?
Didn't you read the rest?
Andy, it because you've confused everyone by posting it in the wrong thread, should be in Branded buses off route...... :P
B5 Hybrid - 126 2112hrs @ BNS / 2/8/13
Quote from: 6013 on August 02, 2013, 07:42:39 PM
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Quote from: Kevin on August 02, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
1864 on the 94, been a while since I've seen a single decker on there
Kevin, are you sure it was 1864? As I thought this was still at NXC
No! You meaning 1874! 1864 was working on the 16/A or 23 at today! 1867 to Walsall garage for repaint and collect 1678 to CV then replaced 4693 and on the 6/6A.
So I make an attempt to write it down sp I don't balls it up on here, and I wrote the wrong number down... Meh
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 02, 2013, 07:30:08 PM
unidentified enviro 400 on evening 276, past foley arms towards wollaston @ 1925
Wonder if this did a 243/4?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 09:12:59 PM
B5 Hybrid - 126 2112hrs @ BNS / 2/8/13
Seems to happen regually now during evenings
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 10:55:44 PM
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B5 Hybrid - 126 2112hrs @ BNS / 2/8/13
Seems to happen regually now during evenings
Yup, just funny to see it in my territory as I think it was a 22/23 on diversion! I know the Broad Street diversion is long but not New Street long haha
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B5 Hybrid - 126 2112hrs @ BNS / 2/8/13
Seems to happen regually now during evenings
Yup, just funny to see it in my territory as I think it was a 22/23 on diversion! I know the Broad Street diversion is long but not New Street long haha
Actually you just reminded me this afternoon i saw an BC E400H go past Selfridges then down Moor Street displaying Route 23 on the destination!
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B5 Hybrid - 126 2112hrs @ BNS / 2/8/13
Seems to happen regually now during evenings
Yup, just funny to see it in my territory as I think it was a 22/23 on diversion! I know the Broad Street diversion is long but not New Street long haha
Actually you just reminded me this afternoon i saw an BC E400H go past Selfridges then down Moor Street displaying Route 23 on the destination!
No I did ;) ;)
669 on WA 69 (Rare to get B6's on the 69 anytime now but even more rare Mon-Fri)
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B5 Hybrid - 126 2112hrs @ BNS / 2/8/13
Seems to happen regually now during evenings
Yup, just funny to see it in my territory as I think it was a 22/23 on diversion! I know the Broad Street diversion is long but not New Street long haha
Actually you just reminded me this afternoon i saw an BC E400H go past Selfridges then down Moor Street displaying Route 23 on the destination!
No I did ;) ;)
That was my spot ;D
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B5 Hybrid - 126 2112hrs @ BNS / 2/8/13
Seems to happen regually now during evenings
Yup, just funny to see it in my territory as I think it was a 22/23 on diversion! I know the Broad Street diversion is long but not New Street long haha
Actually you just reminded me this afternoon i saw an BC E400H go past Selfridges then down Moor Street displaying Route 23 on the destination!
Must've been good to see lol, but nothing more then afternoon peak leaving garage with the destination up. :)
Looks like the President I saw in Blackheath on the 89 was 4086.
4826 has been on the 120.
B10L 1457 has been sneaking into the city centre on the 2!
1843 and 4255 both on the 907 (at least 4 different types of buses on the 907 today)
669 on the 69, great riding a B6 on the 69 again. Lots of 6's and 9's ;) ;)
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B5 Hybrid - 126 2112hrs @ BNS / 2/8/13
Seems to happen regually now during evenings
Yup, just funny to see it in my territory as I think it was a 22/23 on diversion! I know the Broad Street diversion is long but not New Street long haha
Actually you just reminded me this afternoon i saw an BC E400H go past Selfridges then down Moor Street displaying Route 23 on the destination!
Yep I saw exactly the same the other afternoon and from a distance thought it was mega rare working of the year, until it got closer and I saw it was on its way to take up an afternoon peak working on the 23.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 11:23:41 PM
Looks like the President I saw in Blackheath on the 89 was 4086.
4826 has been on the 120.
B10L 1457 has been sneaking into the city centre on the 2!
1843 and 4255 both on the 907 (at least 4 different types of buses on the 907 today)
669 on the 69, great riding a B6 on the 69 again. Lots of 6's and 9's ;) ;)
Hahaa, nice to see your learning about the 6's and 9's Matty, they do teach something good in your school then haha
Also a Wright Eclipse Gemini was on the 33 this afternoon( Too far away to catch fleetnumber)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:28:14 PM
Also a Wright Eclipse Gemini was on the 33 this afternoon( Too far away to catch fleetnumber)
Shame, would be nice to see an old liveried Gemini on the 33 again, whack a scorpion on the upstairs window and Bob's your uncle
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Also a Wright Eclipse Gemini was on the 33 this afternoon( Too far away to catch fleetnumber)
Shame, would be nice to see an old liveried Gemini on the 33 again, whack a scorpion on the upstairs window and Bob's your uncle
Was in NXWM livery (Recently repainted)
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Also a Wright Eclipse Gemini was on the 33 this afternoon( Too far away to catch fleetnumber)
Shame, would be nice to see an old liveried Gemini on the 33 again, whack a scorpion on the upstairs window and Bob's your uncle
Was in NXWM livery (Recently repainted)
I expected it would be, but still nice to see the old Line33 all those years ago.
Was probably on there to cover 4852 which crashed so they are a bus down
What happened to 4852? Another accident?
Or was that the one where a car flipped into the bus?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:58:11 PM
What happened to 4852? Another accident?
Or was that the one where a car flipped into the bus?
Yeah it was that one if I remember rightly.
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What happened to 4852? Another accident?
Or was that the one where a car flipped into the bus?
Yeah it was that one if I remember rightly.
Well yes i presume it was
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What happened to 4852? Another accident?
Or was that the one where a car flipped into the bus?
Yeah it was that one if I remember rightly.
Well yes i presume it was
Was that the one in "Longstanding" ? Alternative names ftw.
There was an old liveried Gemini on the 33 earlier too, can't remember the fleetnumber. Also a 97 branded Trident on the 14.
4912 on the 24...
Quote from: Abluhwleh on August 03, 2013, 03:09:00 AM
4912 on the 24...
Not that unusual anymore. Spare E400's from the 900/57 go onto the 24
Gemini on the 10/10A in Walsall 8)
2016 on the 126
4814 on the 120 today. My first ride on the 120 and it was an E400 :) the whiny one too
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 03, 2013, 12:12:43 PM
2016 on the 126
Think it replaced 4574 which had a defect with the wheelchair ramp
4801 on the 276
3rd August and already on page 8?
Surely most of these unusual workings aren't that unusual anymore!
Quote from: Winston on August 03, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
4801 on the 276
Not unusual anymore Winston. Where did you see it and what time (Matt wants to work out if it will go onto the 244 later)
Today:
Gemini on PB33 (Didn't catch fleet number)
B7RLE on WN59 Think it was 2001
1900 on WA39
4680 on WA10A
4331 on WA29
2105 on AG5
4658 on 37?
4744 on 35
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 03, 2013, 12:12:43 PM
2016 on the 126
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9428458053/
Also, is a Trident on the 28 rare, as 4542 was on there today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9428437179/
Other than Presidents on high frequency routes or a single decker on the 11, there aren't really any unusual workings at AG. Anything can show up anywhere. Except the one time I saw a picture of a double decker on the 72 - THAT is a rare working.
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2016 on the 126
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9428458053/
Also, is a Trident on the 28 rare, as 4542 was on there today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9428437179/
What?! That was on the 59 this morning
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2016 on the 126
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9428458053/
Also, is a Trident on the 28 rare, as 4542 was on there today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9428437179/
Tridents are a bit unusual on the 28 but not rare as is has happended a fair bit since the hybrids were introduced. 4542 (BL53 EDV) was Definetley on the 59 earlier!
2016 still on the 126 last thing tonight.
The B7RLE on the 59 is 2001 and it's also doing an all night board
Saw 816 on the 42 in Dudley this evening - is this unusual or does it happen often in the evenings?
Matt - you get an E200 on WB42 most evenings
AG 1933 on the 71 yesterday morning, usually solid 21XX.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 04, 2013, 10:21:31 AM
AG 1933 on the 71 yesterday morning, usually solid 21XX.
You can get a few ominilinks that run on the 71/72, but someone correct me if im wrong
Its one of those on/off unusual workings. Last time I was in sutton one weekday evening, 1932 was doing the last NX 71 of the day before the Diamond Solos take over
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 12:20:35 AM
Matt - you get an E200 on WB42 most evenings
Do you know what the 42 interworks with as i completley forgot. Is it the 43?
Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 10:24:02 AM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 04, 2013, 10:21:31 AM
AG 1933 on the 71 yesterday morning, usually solid 21XX.
You can get a few ominilinks that run on the 71/72, but someone correct me if im wrong
Your not wrong Nathan Omnilinks can appear on the 71/72 if they need to :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 12:20:35 AM
Matt - you get an E200 on WB42 most evenings
Do you know what the 42 interworks with as i completley forgot. Is it the 43?
I COULD be wrong;
I think some 42 journeys go onto the 5 in the evening
Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 12:20:35 AM
Matt - you get an E200 on WB42 most evenings
Do you know what the 42 interworks with as i completley forgot. Is it the 43?
I COULD be wrong;
I think some 42 journeys go onto the 5 in the evening
Think you might be wrong, Mercs on the 5 doesn't seem right to me
Mercs on the 5 are mostly daytime things now, mostly E200s now. When it was the 451, evening mercs would have done daytime 410, maybe this still happens now
Nathan i believe the 42 and 43 interwork
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 04, 2013, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 12:20:35 AM
Matt - you get an E200 on WB42 most evenings
Do you know what the 42 interworks with as i completley forgot. Is it the 43?
I COULD be wrong;
I think some 42 journeys go onto the 5 in the evening
Think you might be wrong, Mercs on the 5 doesn't seem right to me
They used to be Merc operated in the evenings but now there all E200's. Mercs can operate the 5 during the morning peaks
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 04:06:54 PM
Mercs on the 5 are mostly daytime things now, mostly E200s now. When it was the 451, evening mercs would have done daytime 410, maybe this still happens now
Nathan i believe the 42 and 43 interwork
Do you know what evening journeys run on the 5 then, as I thought it was the 42
The 5 doesnt interwork with anything, just two or three buses, maybe one merc and 2 enviros or just 3 enviros.
Im sure some come off the 46 and take up evening 5 workings?
I swear something comes of a E200 route in WB then it does the evening 5
Like i said, the evening 451 was mercs off the 410 but as to how it works now, pass, im never in the area at the right time to see
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 04:51:03 PM
Like i said, the evening 451 was mercs off the 410 but as to how it works now, pass, im never in the area at the right time to see
Whats the 410 now, due to the sandwell review
The 410 is now the 40, same line of route
evening workings at WB:
the 3 5 buses come off the 40, normally E200s
the 2 40 buses are on the 40 all day, normally E200s
42 and 43 interwork and come off the 46 running boards, E200s
45 and 46 interwork and normally come off the 45 and 46 running boards E200s and mercs, with occasional B6
47, 47A and 49 interwork, normally B6
hope this clears everything up.
Quote from: wbdriver on August 04, 2013, 07:21:20 PM
evening workings at WB:
the 3 5 buses come off the 40, normally E200s
the 2 40 buses are on the 40 all day, normally E200s
42 and 43 interwork and come off the 46 running boards, E200s
45 and 46 interwork and normally come off the 45 and 46 running boards E200s and mercs, with occasional B6
47, 47A and 49 interwork, normally B6
hope this clears everything up.
Thanks WB driver for that :)
900 bus usually runs by a Alexander Dennis trident alx400 now it sometimes runs with a enviro 400
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 04, 2013, 08:45:03 PM
900 bus usually runs by a Alexander Dennis trident alx400 now it sometimes runs with a enviro 400
Welcome nxwmbusfan1999.
The 900 should now be operated by the new Enviro 400s which have recently arrived at BC.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 04, 2013, 08:45:03 PM
900 bus usually runs by a Alexander Dennis trident alx400 now it sometimes runs with a enviro 400
The 900/957 have now been upgraded to E400 operation now after 19 (4895-4913) were delivered to Birmingham Central Recently. Tridents do operate a few journeys still but E400's are the allocation now :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 08:50:07 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 04, 2013, 08:45:03 PM
900 bus usually runs by a Alexander Dennis trident alx400 now it sometimes runs with a enviro 400
The 900/957 have now been upgraded to E400 operation now after 19 (4895-4913) were delivered to Birmingham Central Recently. Tridents do operate a few journeys still but E400's are the allocation now :)
The 957 on the other hand is all E400's from what ive seen :P
The 900 will be fully Enviro400 now they are all in service
Quote from: John on August 04, 2013, 09:01:54 PM
The 900 will be fully Enviro400 now they are all in service
How many are actually needed for the 900/957 together ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: John on August 04, 2013, 09:01:54 PM
The 900 will be fully Enviro400 now they are all in service
How many are actually needed for the 900/957 together ?
16 Altogether :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on August 04, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: John on August 04, 2013, 09:01:54 PM
The 900 will be fully Enviro400 now they are all in service
How many are actually needed for the 900/957 together ?
16 Altogether :)
Then 3 appear on the 24 as said in previous topics, thanks rob
Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 09:09:43 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on August 04, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: John on August 04, 2013, 09:01:54 PM
The 900 will be fully Enviro400 now they are all in service
How many are actually needed for the 900/957 together ?
16 Altogether :)
Then 3 appear on the 24 as said in previous topics, thanks rob
No Worries Buddy ;)
Some spare operate as said the 24 and the 59/60
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 09:21:10 PM
Some spare operate as said the 24 and the 59/60
The instruction in the garage is that any spare Hybrids and E400s should be allocated to the 24
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 09:21:10 PM
Some spare operate as said the 24 and the 59/60
The instruction in the garage is that any spare Hybrids and E400s should be allocated to the 24
There were two signs up, one saying spare allocation to 24/59/60 and one just 24. The former has now been dismissed.
By the way Tone, were you on time without rushing when you were on the 14?
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 09:21:10 PM
Some spare operate as said the 24 and the 59/60
The instruction in the garage is that any spare Hybrids and E400s should be allocated to the 24
Operates like the 59 in Wolverhampton-Tridents with any hybrids spare on there (Usually 3-4 spare mon-fri during summer timetable)
Still find it ridiculous that the 24 gets any spare hybrids and E400s. Yeah, because it's not like Harborne has had any investment recently...
Also I saw a President on Colmore Row operating the 89 earlier :)
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Also I saw a President on Colmore Row operating the 89 earlier :)
Bet that took you back in time
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Also I saw a President on Colmore Row operating the 89 earlier :)
Will this become more common now some Presidents have transferred over from YW?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Also I saw a President on Colmore Row operating the 89 earlier :)
Will this become more common now some Presidents have transferred over from YW?
I imagine so. It's already an everyday thing
Definitely, had to take a double take. Practically ran to see what number bus it was before it pulled off :P
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 04, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Also I saw a President on Colmore Row operating the 89 earlier :)
Will this become more common now some Presidents have transferred over from YW?
I imagine so. It's already an everyday thing
How long have Presidents been operating on a daily basis as last week it was still mainly mercs with a few Geminis. Also one question Does the 49 ever have double decks and if so how often do they appear. Only ever seen Mercs, B6's and a E200 which was on a sunday (When it interworks with the 47/A)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 11:40:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 04, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Also I saw a President on Colmore Row operating the 89 earlier :)
Will this become more common now some Presidents have transferred over from YW?
I imagine so. It's already an everyday thing
How long have Presidents been operating on a daily basis as last week it was still mainly mercs with a few Geminis. Also one question Does the 49 ever have double decks and if so how often do they appear. Only ever seen Mercs, B6's and a E200 which was on a sunday (When it interworks with the 47/A)
I saw a Gemini on there once, but I'm pretty sure that's the only time I've seen a decker on there
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 11:40:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 04, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 04, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Also I saw a President on Colmore Row operating the 89 earlier :)
Will this become more common now some Presidents have transferred over from YW?
I imagine so. It's already an everyday thing
How long have Presidents been operating on a daily basis as last week it was still mainly mercs with a few Geminis. Also one question Does the 49 ever have double decks and if so how often do they appear. Only ever seen Mercs, B6's and a E200 which was on a sunday (When it interworks with the 47/A)
Since Wednesday. I live on both routes, so I expect to see more and more of them, as Presidents transfer from YW to WB. The 49 used to have 2 deckers a day, this changed after timing amendments were given to the 47/A & 49, the 49 is now all Mercs, with B6s in evenings and E200s on Sundays
Saw a B6,Merc and E200 on the 49 last sunday
4007 > 1
Saw 4007 on the 1 on queen street just after 9am also
1457 - 18
Quote from: Andrew on August 05, 2013, 10:21:50 AM
4007 > 1
Saw in Wolverhampton around 11:10 then rode it from Dudley to Wolverhampton. Must be an E400H missing (5416 came back into service last week
WA B6 669 on route 301
WA Leather seated Enviro 400 4764 on route 40/41 - this is becoming a common occurane.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 05, 2013, 03:12:13 PM
WA B6 669 on route 301
WA Leather seated Enviro 400 4764 on route 40/41 - this is becoming a common occurane.
One running board on 40/41 comes off an X51 and is booked to use an enviro but only until1 Septembet 2013
I thought B10L's on the 18 were a regular thing or has that changed recently?
1884 936. John
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 05, 2013, 04:33:35 PM
I thought B10L's on the 18 were a regular thing or has that changed recently?
Only ever really seen deckers when I've been down south brum and seen it
Quote from: Kevin on August 05, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 05, 2013, 04:33:35 PM
I thought B10L's on the 18 were a regular thing or has that changed recently?
Only ever really seen deckers when I've been down south brum and seen it
The 18 is indeed double-deck usually, YW's B10Ls usually only appear on the 27.
1781 (B7RLE) - Running 934
1876 - 33
E400 - 120 (Going to Stop posting this one as Im finding it a common thing at the moment)
Quote from: Nathan on August 05, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
1781 (B7RLE) - Running 934
1876 - 33
E400 - 120 (Going to Stop posting this one as Im finding it a common thing at the moment)
Yes while the summer timetable is in place on the 9 less buses are need i presume so the spare ones go onto the 120/246/276
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 05, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
1781 (B7RLE) - Running 934
1876 - 33
E400 - 120 (Going to Stop posting this one as Im finding it a common thing at the moment)
Yes while the summer timetable is in place on the 9 less buses are need i presume so the spare ones go onto the 120/246/276
What about the 140?
Not many E400's have been on the 140/241 apart from the 9E/140 peak board that i believe does a schools?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Not many E400's have been on the 140/241 apart from the 9E/140 peak board that i believe does a schools?
thats a shame, they look alright on the 140
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Not many E400's have been on the 140/241 apart from the 9E/140 peak board that i believe does a schools?
And lately that working has been a Trident more often than an E400.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 05, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Not many E400's have been on the 140/241 apart from the 9E/140 peak board that i believe does a schools?
And lately that working has been a Trident more often than an E400.
How does that board work then is it;
9 - Birmingham
140 from Birmingham - Dudley
Garage
or
9 - Birmingham
Daytime 140/241 service
Quote from: Nathan on August 05, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 05, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Not many E400's have been on the 140/241 apart from the 9E/140 peak board that i believe does a schools?
And lately that working has been a Trident more often than an E400.
How does that board work then is it;
9 - Birmingham
140 from Birmingham - Dudley
Garage
or
9 - Birmingham
Daytime 140/241 service
Its an afternoon board Nathan, the first part is a schools service, then
9E 1608 City to Quinton & return
then its 17:20 (ish) 140 Birmingham to Dudley then garage
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 05, 2013, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 05, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 05, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Not many E400's have been on the 140/241 apart from the 9E/140 peak board that i believe does a schools?
And lately that working has been a Trident more often than an E400.
How does that board work then is it;
9 - Birmingham
140 from Birmingham - Dudley
Garage
or
9 - Birmingham
Daytime 140/241 service
Its an afternoon board Nathan, the first part is a schools service, then
9E 1608 City to Quinton & return
then its 17:20 (ish) 140 Birmingham to Dudley then garage
Cheers
1-branded E400H 5414 on 25/27 this evening. Rode it on the 21:15 27 out of Wolverhampton
Completely forgot about this one, 1650 was on the 79 today
2016 on the 257. So that means in about 5 minutes when it gets to Stourbridge it'll turn into a 256
2085 On the 243/4
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 10:10:18 AM
2085 On the 243/4
Rode it on the 10:47 244 (running late) from Dudley
4200 on 141 today on 09:51 from Halesowen towards Merry Hill
4543 and a B7RLE on the 1 (Probably due to at least 4 unbranded B5's working the 59 today)
2085 on the 243/4
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 06, 2013, 12:23:14 PM
4200 on 141 today on 09:51 from Halesowen towards Merry Hill
Not ny more, 4200 now at garage.
Anyone know what's on 222 as branded e200 inside garage.
4815 276
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 06, 2013, 12:23:14 PM
4200 on 141 today on 09:51 from Halesowen towards Merry Hill
Not ny more, 4200 now at garage.
That particular working that Matt is referring to always goes back to the garage after terminating at Merry Hill
1668 working 89 to blackheath
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 06, 2013, 02:38:44 PM
1668 working 89 to blackheath
These are part of the main allocation on the 83/89 Buddy ;) but I'm glad you seen one and 1668 is one of my favourites :)
theres a vid of 1668 I filmed today
Although not unusual but most if not all the mercs on the 45 today are the T and V reg ones wonder if quite a few of the R and S reg ones have been withdrawn and moved out of WB.
Quote from: Ash on August 06, 2013, 04:00:20 PM
Although not unusual but most if not all the mercs on the 45 today are the T and V reg ones wonder if quite a few of the R and S reg ones have been withdrawn and moved out of WB.
Two more are likely to have been withdrawn as a result of 4057 & 4085 transferring across from YW, I expect 4056 will also follow. So that would make potentially 3 more R/S-reg Mercs to go/gone
I prefer the presidents to the alx400's at WB as there in a terrible state apart from the handful that have been refurbished so shame they cant be used on the 74 and 75. It would be a sad day when the R and S reg mercs leave West Brom as most have been there most of there lives or at least for the majority of them 1582/5/6/9 are 4 that have been at WB since new as they were for the 74. The others have traveled around a bit.
4085 on the 48 today. (1582, 1589, 1599 and 1607 noted still in service)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
Not ny more, 4200 now at garage.
Anyone know what's on 222 as branded e200 inside garage.
1620 was on the 222 this morning.
Quote from: uniquicity on August 06, 2013, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
Not ny more, 4200 now at garage.
Anyone know what's on 222 as branded e200 inside garage.
1620 was on the 222 this morning.
Thanks, wonder if 824 was on there today?
Quote from: Ash on August 06, 2013, 04:46:15 PM
I prefer the presidents to the alx400's at WB as there in a terrible state apart from the handful that have been refurbished so shame they cant be used on the 74 and 75. It would be a sad day when the R and S reg mercs leave West Brom as most have been there most of there lives or at least for the majority of them 1582/5/6/9 are 4 that have been at WB since new as they were for the 74. The others have traveled around a bit.
The ALX400's will be pretty decent buses when they are finally refurbished, they need to now be done as priority especially if there are no plans to upgrade the Soho Rd services with new/newer double deckers
The soho road is one of the busiest corridors out of Birmingham and the last new buses for the 74 was the mercs in 1998 and back then the 79 was the tridents in 2002 which have now gone along with the route, so is deservedly of new buses or at least some refurbished ones but WB never seems to be front of the queue for new buses .
Quote from: Ash on August 06, 2013, 06:14:46 PM
The soho road is one of the busiest corridors out of Birmingham and the last new buses for the 74 was the mercs in 1998 and back then the 79 was the tridents in 2002 which have now gone along with the route, so is deservedly of new buses or at least some refurbished ones but WB never seems to be front of the queue for new buses .
The whole Solo Rd fleet needs to be fully refurbished at the very least as I don't think a new fleet is likely anytime soon. If the opening of the New Square shopping centre increases the number of bus passengers using WB routes & ultimately NXWM profits. You may find WB are on the receiving end of a new batch of buses to improve the average age there......
1771 sneaking into town to work one journey on the X51 this evening
E400 on the 276 all day. Not that unusual now though.
Quote from: Winston on August 06, 2013, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: Ash on August 06, 2013, 06:14:46 PM
The soho road is one of the busiest corridors out of Birmingham and the last new buses for the 74 was the mercs in 1998 and back then the 79 was the tridents in 2002 which have now gone along with the route, so is deservedly of new buses or at least some refurbished ones but WB never seems to be front of the queue for new buses .
The whole Solo Rd fleet needs to be fully refurbished at the very least as I don't think a new fleet is likely anytime soon. If the opening of the New Square shopping centre increases the number of bus passengers using WB routes & ultimately NXWM profits. You may find WB are on the receiving end of a new batch of buses to improve the average age there......
Unless 4503-4514 and 4517-4534 are branded for the Soho Road which would leave 4635-4642 and 4227-4233, 4248, 4264-4275 and 4290-4299 to be used along side the gemini's on the Soho Road and used on the 80/82/83/87/89/127/128/129. Not sure what the PVR so maybe not all of those gemini's would be branded but there in a far better state than the alx400 all have the NXWM livery, some have been refurbished and are newer than the alx400's. Also installing hanover displays like 4635 has would make them look much better.
Quote from: s94 on August 06, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
E400 on the 276 all day. Not that unusual now though.
With E400's spare off the 9 during summer timetable they regularly appear on the 120/276/X96
4543 and 2024 were on the 1 today along with 4560 which does an afternoon(stays on till late evening) and with a Spectra on there yesterday there must be a couple of hybrids missing
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on August 06, 2013, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
Not ny more, 4200 now at garage.
Anyone know what's on 222 as branded e200 inside garage.
1620 was on the 222 this morning.
Thanks, wonder if 824 was on there today?
824 was on the 222, spotted it in Brierley Hill this afternoon. Also, saw a Merc on the 529 and a B7RLE on the X96.
JB93, B7RLE's are usual on the X96 but great spot for the merc on the 529 :)
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
Quote from: JB93 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
thought all WN Mercs had blinds, thats an interesting spot?
Quote from: JB93 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
For some reason WN roller blinds don't have Walsall on them hence why the blinds are always blank when a merc appears on the 529
Quote from: JB93 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
JB, did you mean that the bus had nothing on its blinds or had no blinds fitted???
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 08:23:38 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
Are any of the WN Mercs in TWM livery, and thought they all had blinds, thats an interesting spot?
Yep,1650/60/2/9/72/3/4/5/6/9/80/1/2/3/5 are all in TWM livery
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
JB, did you mean that the bus had nothing on its blinds or had no blinds fitted???
Think he means nothing on the blinds were displayed as WN Roller blinds don't include Walsall on them
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 06, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: s94 on August 06, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
E400 on the 276 all day. Not that unusual now though.
With E400's spare off the 9 during summer timetable they regularly appear on the 120/276/X96
4543 and 2024 were on the 1 today along with 4560 which does an afternoon(stays on till late evening) and with a Spectra on there yesterday there must be a couple of hybrids missing
Could become common even after the summer as the tridents should free up a couple of Enviros which were usually on the 246 anyway too if im right? Would be pointless sat in the garage.
1843 - 33, another ominilink on the 33?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 06, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
JB, did you mean that the bus had nothing on its blinds or had no blinds fitted???
Think he means nothing on the blinds were displayed as WN Roller blinds don't include Walsall on them
Don't they have "Via Willenhall" on the bottom blind Nathan?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Don't they have "Via Willenhall" on the bottom blind Nathan?
Yes they do
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 06, 2013, 08:24:21 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
For some reason WN roller blinds don't have Walsall on them hence why the blinds are always blank when a merc appears on the 529
Seems strange, PN Mercs have Walsall on them
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 06, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 06, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Ah okay, I wasn't sure how often they appeared. Yeah, it was a TWM livery one with no roller blinds, saw it go past in Willenhall, would've been about 4:30pm :)
JB, did you mean that the bus had nothing on its blinds or had no blinds fitted???
Think he means nothing on the blinds were displayed as WN Roller blinds don't include Walsall on them
Don't they have "Via Willenhall" on the bottom blind Nathan?
Yes they do stu. They smetimes display that instead of a blank blinds
Strange day on the 1 today, with 4543 and 2024 on there all day with 4560 appearing on an afternoon peak board too.
1620 on the 222, 20:15 out of Dudley.
President 4085 seen on the 48 in Harborne towards West Bromwich at about 14:00
2086 on one trip of the 9 this evening. 22:50 from Stourbridge, replaced an Enviro, don't know which one (not 4825 despite its gearbox issues this evening)
824 on 140/241 this evening, 23:15 241 from Halesowen and 23:45 140E (to Blackheath) from Dudley
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 06, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
2086 on one trip of the 9 this evening. 22:50 from Stourbridge, replaced an Enviro, don't know which one (not 4825 despite its gearbox issues this evening)
824 on 140/241 this evening, 23:15 241 from Halesowen and 23:45 140E (to Blackheath) from Dudley
As I said on the other thread, it was probably the driver either accidently or deliberately knocking it out of gear
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2013, 08:23:13 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 06, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
2086 on one trip of the 9 this evening. 22:50 from Stourbridge, replaced an Enviro, don't know which one (not 4825 despite its gearbox issues this evening)
824 on 140/241 this evening, 23:15 241 from Halesowen and 23:45 140E (to Blackheath) from Dudley
As I said on the other thread, it was probably the driver either accidently or deliberately knocking it out of gear
Thought it may have dropped out of gear by itself due to some defect.
4272 on the 42/43 today.
4021 just left Stourbridge on the 257.
Yesterday, I saw a B6LE on bus number 81, entering in Wolverhampton Bus Station around 11:20am. I couldn't see what fleet number it was because I was a bit far away to recognise it.
Quote from: P1419 EJW on August 07, 2013, 12:49:22 PM
Yesterday, I saw a B6LE on bus number 81, entering in Wolverhampton Bus Station around 11:20am. I couldn't see what fleet number it was because I was a bit far away to recognise it.
It was 600. saw it in Netherton while on the 244
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: P1419 EJW on August 07, 2013, 12:49:22 PM
Yesterday, I saw a B6LE on bus number 81, entering in Wolverhampton Bus Station around 11:20am. I couldn't see what fleet number it was because I was a bit far away to recognise it.
It was 600. saw it in Netherton while on the 244
Good to have the old PN B6s back in Netherton
4802 > 222
1684 on the 256.Saw in Wolverhampton working the 16:05 256 to Stourbridge
1695 on the 80 and 4290 on the 40 noted this afternoon.
Also a B6LE on the 42/43, haven't seen one on here for ages (bound to be proved wrong though :) )
Quote from: uniquicity on August 07, 2013, 04:57:27 PM
1695 on the 80 and 4290 on the 40 noted this afternoon.
Also a B6LE on the 42/43, haven't seen one on here for ages (bound to be proved wrong though :)
Think it was 568. Matt Spotted it in Dudley at 15:00
I forgot to say, I saw a Trident on the 70A in Walsall yesterday and didn't know if this was unusual?
Quote from: JB93 on August 07, 2013, 05:08:29 PM
I forgot to say, I saw a Trident on the 70A in Walsall yesterday and didn't know if this was unusual?
Well its slightly unusual ii would say
2018 on 33 today, looked unusual to me as used to seeing Mercs, Spectras and Tridents on there
New from Cov, PB1873 on the 914 right now. Meanwhile WA1436 is on the 377 presently as well.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 07, 2013, 05:40:01 PM
PB1873 on the 914 right now.
That was on the 28 this morning as well
824 on the 9
4777 - 33
One from yesterday im supprised no one mentioned
4672 on the 16A at the Scott Arms at approx. 18:00
Quote from: Lukeee on August 07, 2013, 09:44:30 PM
One from yesterday im supprised no one mentioned
4672 on the 16A at the Scott Arms at approx. 18:00
You must have been the only person to spot it Luke, or it would have been posted
On loan from Acocks Green I guess or.....
Quote from: Lukeee on August 07, 2013, 09:44:30 PM
One from yesterday im supprised no one mentioned
4672 on the 16A at the Scott Arms at approx. 18:00
That's an AG Gemini?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 07, 2013, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on August 07, 2013, 09:44:30 PM
One from yesterday im supprised no one mentioned
4672 on the 16A at the Scott Arms at approx. 18:00
That's an AG Gemini?
Correct Matt
How come 4672 is/was on loan to PB ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 07, 2013, 09:57:50 PM
How come 4672 is/was on loan to PB ?
Exactly what i thought. Short of buses?
Guessing a loan, took me by supprise myself, had to look twice.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 07, 2013, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on August 07, 2013, 09:44:30 PM
One from yesterday im supprised no one mentioned
4672 on the 16A at the Scott Arms at approx. 18:00
That's an AG Gemini?
Correct Matt
I know I'm correct, the question mark was asking why it would be on the 16A ;)
824 on the 9 all evening/night, 22:50 out of Stourbridge
4912 on 22/23 this evening
2008 on 126
Unidentified B7RLE on 24
Before somebody kicks off I know its probably the wrong thread to ask but what routes are 4370 and my 4314 on today?
2078 on the 297
1642 on the 222
4115 on the 42
2091 on the 9
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 08, 2013, 10:43:12 AM
2078 on the 297
1642 on the 222
4115 on the 42
2091 on the 9
1642 now on X96 for some reason
Two enviros on the 3 one being 4850 ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 08, 2013, 01:37:47 PM
Two enviros on the 3 one being 4850 ?
The 3, do you mean 4750?
4744 - 18
49xx- 22/23
B7RLE - WN27
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 01:36:40 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 08, 2013, 10:43:12 AM
2078 on the 297
1642 on the 222
4115 on the 42
2091 on the 9
1642 now on X96 for some reason
Isn't there a peak hour 222 that goes onto the X96 At around 1030 from merry hill?
Has anybody seen 4314 yet today?
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 08, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
Before somebody kicks off I know its probably the wrong thread to ask but what routes are 4370 and my 4314 on today?
My mate (3 guesses who) has told me his baby 4370 is more than likely still off road after an accident the other week. No information on 4314 though.
Thanks anyway
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 12:34:42 AM
824 on the 9 all evening/night, 22:50 out of Stourbridge
4912 on 22/23 this evening
2008 on 126
Unidentified B7RLE on 24
There were 2 B7RLE's on the 24, I was on one of them last night, that was 2141. But I didn't catch the other fleetnumber as it went past. On a sidenote, today was the 4th time I've ever caught the 24 and I've never had a Trident :P 2 hybrids, a B7RLE last night and a new Enviro400 on the way back today.
Just passed Spectra 4006 on the Black Country Spine Road at Great Bridge!
PB B7/ALX400 are regulars on the 71A but today Gem 4501 is on there.
Walsall's eclipses venturing into brum quite regularly at the moment, 1756 on the 936
Quote from: Westy on August 08, 2013, 05:10:01 PM
Just passed Spectra 4006 on the Black Country Spine Road at Great Bridge!
Either going to work on or coming off the 79 or going to the bus parts place in Great Bridge.
4268 on the 45 (WB)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 08, 2013, 02:22:05 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 01:36:40 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 08, 2013, 10:43:12 AM
2078 on the 297
1642 on the 222
4115 on the 42
2091 on the 9
1642 now on X96 for some reason
Yes, i saw 1642 on the 08:45 Merry Hill to Dudley 222, would then have worked the 09:30 Dudley to Merry Hill 222 and then it works the X96E, 10:18 Merry Hill to Stourbridge. So i would say that a Merc on the 222 in the morning peak is quite common!
Isn't there a peak hour 222 that goes onto the X96 At around 1030 from merry hill?
Quote from: Ash on August 08, 2013, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: Westy on August 08, 2013, 05:10:01 PM
Just passed Spectra 4006 on the Black Country Spine Road at Great Bridge!
Either going to work on or coming off the 79 or going to the bus parts place in Great Bridge.
4268 on the 45 (WB)
4006 was in West Brom Bus Station at 16.55.
Now I know the July thread has been closed and I know some of my unusual workings for August have probably already been mentioned.
16/07:
4054 on the 80
17/07:
4702 on the 80
18/07:
4885 on the 13 (Coventry)
4840 on the 7 (Coventry)
21/07:
824 on the 243
2007 on the 126
24/07:
4705 on the 80
30/07:
1666 on the 80
31/07:
813 on the 89
01/08:
4086 on the 89
4233 on the 40
4115 on the 42
4057 on the 42
02/08:
4449 on the 14
4600 on the 126
4086 on the 89
05/08:
4905 on the 24
1667 on the 80
5513 on the 126
4013 on the 256
Quote from: Westy on August 08, 2013, 05:10:01 PM
Just passed Spectra 4006 on the Black Country Spine Road at Great Bridge!
4006 was on the 79 today
4001 - 82
4015 - 255
4200 - 9
2091 - 9
2091 was right behind 4200 when I saw it
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
4001 - 82
4015 - 255
4200 - 9
2091 - 9
I keep missing those >:(
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
4001 - 82
4015 - 255
4200 - 9
2091 - 9
2091 was right behind 4200 when I saw it
4015 was on another route earlier but can't remember which. Or do you mean 4013 on the 256 which we did see.
When did you see 4200? I saw 2091 rammed with passengers on Manor Lane/Spies Lane this morning
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 08, 2013, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
4001 - 82
4015 - 255
4200 - 9
2091 - 9
2091 was right behind 4200 when I saw it
4015 was on another route earlier but can't remember which. Or do you mean 4013 on the 256 which we did see.
When did you see 4200? I saw 2091 rammed with passengers on Manor Lane/Spies Lane this morning
No I mean 4015 on 255. Saw it in Brierley Hill around 17:45, towards Wolverhampton
4200 was coming into Halesowen around 18:20 towards Stourbridge. 2091 was only 30 seconds or so behind
4196 just gone past on the 9 towards the city centre
4 enviros on service 3 ??? for some reason.
Quote from: Nathan on August 08, 2013, 08:02:44 PM
4 enviros on service 3 ??? for some reason.
Any of them 4799?
4895 also on 22 as well as 4913, oldest and newest of the BC batch. 4902 and 4909 being the pair on the daily 24 e400 boards today. John
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: Westy on August 08, 2013, 05:10:01 PM
Just passed Spectra 4006 on the Black Country Spine Road at Great Bridge!
4006 was on the 79 today
Saw it in Wolverhampton didn't we?
Dundonian exile 7033 on the 907 this evening.
4826 on 244 & 276 this evening. (typically the day I don't do the 9pm 244 >:()
5511 and 5513 on consecutive running boards on the 126 this evening.
4196 seems to have gone off the 9 now but 4200 is on the same all night board that 824 had last night.
Enviro200 on the 49 tonight - only usually see B6s in the evening?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
4826 on 244 & 276 this evening. (typically the day I don't do the 9pm 244 >:()
5511 and 5513 on consecutive running boards on the 126 this evening.
4196 seems to have gone off the 9 now but 4200 is on the same all night board that 824 had last night.
Enviro200 on the 49 tonight - only usually see B6s in the evening?
5513 was already on the 126 and 5511 i believe came off the 59
E200's on the evening 49 are usual-Interwork with the 47/A
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 08, 2013, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
4826 on 244 & 276 this evening. (typically the day I don't do the 9pm 244 >:()
5511 and 5513 on consecutive running boards on the 126 this evening.
4196 seems to have gone off the 9 now but 4200 is on the same all night board that 824 had last night.
Enviro200 on the 49 tonight - only usually see B6s in the evening?
E200's on the evening 49 are usual-Interwork with the 47/A
Nope that's Sundays. B6s usually come off the 47/A onto the 49 on weekday evenings
Oh sorry my mistake thanks Matt :) Still not highly unusual really
I think a few E200s can sneak onto the 47/A, don't quote me on that
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 08, 2013, 11:56:15 PM
Oh sorry my mistake thanks Matt :) Still not highly unusual really
That's fine, to be honest it's borderline unusual (like B7s on weekday 27, Tridents on 25, etc)
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 09, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
I think a few E200s can sneak onto the 47/A, don't quote me on that
I thought the E200's were originally for the 47/A?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 12:13:16 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 09, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
I think a few E200s can sneak onto the 47/A, don't quote me on that
I thought the E200's were originally for the 47/A?
They were, but when they arrived they appeared mainly on the 45/46, and the majority of 4* services, then when 810 arrived they moved onto the 40 & 46 permanently. 47/A used to get Darts but get B6LEs these days. The 45/6, 47/A, 49 & I think 289 get E200s on Sundays
I got 4196 on the 9 at Bearwood just after 20:00, arrived into stourbridge around 20:40
4740 was on YW2 and another YW either on the 35 or 49, spotted it on Pool Farm estate earlier, i didnt see any NX dennis Trident action on the 50 though
B7RLE's now operate evening 256, its news to me before somebody pipes up, The 20:15 off wolves (2069 tonight) comes off daytime WN4, dont know about the other one, ruined the journey
There were also two geminis in convoy on the 37 earlier, 4654 and 4658 i think
I did find 4314, out of service going through Druids Heath just after 7pm, gutted
Nathan, west broms e200s were initially intended for the 45 46 and 47/a if i remember but the 45 and 47/a are back to the better stuff
Tbh i've seen more B6's on the 49 on a sunday thsn E200's
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 09, 2013, 12:19:32 AM
There were also two geminis in convoy on the 37 earlier, 4654 and 4658 i think
Geminis are common on the 37 Ashley
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
Tbh i've seen more B6's on the 49 on a sunday thsn E200's
E200s do appear on these routes (47/A & 49) regularly on Sundays, whether that's with B6s I'm unsure
News to me aswell Ashley. Last time i checked last week it wad still tridents off the daytime board
No more evening 256s for me then!
Is it a daily thing or are you sure it wasn't just a bus taken off the 4 to cover a breakdown?
Tbh tridents aren't needed on the 256 in the evenings
Two in a speedy convoy was worth a mention thats all matt
Evening 256 - tridents may be overkill but theyre better than a dull plastic
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 09, 2013, 01:02:03 AM
Two in a speedy convoy was worth a mention thats all matt
Evening 256 - tridents may be overkill but theyre better than a dull plastic
Matt? You were talking to Nathan lol
I put your name with regard to the point about the 37. If the names are in the wrong place then im sorry
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 09, 2013, 01:11:02 AM
I put your name with regard to the point about the 37. If the names are in the wrong place then im sorry
Oh sorry Ashley! My bad, I thought you were talking about the B7RLEs on the 126
Its fine dont worry, I was just saying B7RLE's (enthusiasts view), shouldnt go on evening runs, tridents are better. (Professionals view) Tridents are deemed overkill, you could use a solo if we still had one lol
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 09, 2013, 01:22:17 AM
Its fine dont worry, I was just saying B7RLE's (enthusiasts view), shouldnt go on evening runs, tridents are better. (Professionals view) Tridents are deemed overkill, you could use a solo if we still had one lol
You could use a Zafira on some routes ;D
Couple of tandem bikes for WN59 :D every few minutes
Anyone after 4200 its out on the 141 (:
Ahh but for how long will it stay there today?
2081 on the 53/289
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 09, 2013, 01:22:17 AM
Its fine dont worry, I was just saying B7RLE's (enthusiasts view), shouldnt go on evening runs, tridents are better. (Professionals view) Tridents are deemed overkill, you could use a solo if we still had one lol
Only done a couple of late night buses but i always hope for a trident thrash :)
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 06:44:56 AM
Anyone after 4200 its out on the 141 (:
If you saw it at that time it didn't have long to rest then, was out last thing last night on the 9
4197 On the 9
669 - 302
4133 - 70A
4875 - 40/41
1861 (4 branded) - 29
4774 on WA 7
4680 on the 935
1629 on 222, 1669 on (WN) 59 and I guess it has been already mentioned but here goes - 4875 on (WA) 40.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
4774 on WA 7
4680 on the 935
It was 4683 we saw Nath not 80 :) also on 934.
Also today,
4197 on 9
2092, 2082 and 1706 on 246
4781 on 67?
4125 on 10A
1861 (4 branded) on 29
1669 on 59
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
4781 on 67?
Yes, it was on 67. I was on that bus today.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 09, 2013, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
4781 on 67?
Yes, it was on 67. I was on that bus today.
I was wondering whether it was unusual?
I'm not entirely sure, these OmniCity buses usually go on the 902/4/5/7 and used to be on 934 before it got changed (that's as far as I can remember from the top of my head).
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 09, 2013, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
4781 on 67?
Yes, it was on 67. I was on that bus today.
I was wondering whether it was unusual?
Some Doubles can work a few peak journeys Monday - Friday and All day sunday
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
4774 on WA 7
4680 on the 935
It was 4683 we saw Nath not 80 :) also on 934.
Also today,
4197 on 9
2092, 2082 and 1706 on 246
4781 on 67?
4125 on 10A
1861 (4 branded) on 29
1669 on 59
4197 started the day on the 246, but at 10:40 this morning, the new driver on the 246 wasn't trained on tridents, so 4815 was swapped from the 9 onto the 246 and 4197 was transferred onto the 9.
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 09, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 09, 2013, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
4781 on 67?
Yes, it was on 67. I was on that bus today.
I was wondering whether it was unusual?
I'm not entirely sure, these OmniCity buses usually go on the 902/4/5/7 and used to be on 934 before it got changed (that's as far as I can remember from the top of my head).
See one or two on there fairly regularly
Quote from: Kevin on August 09, 2013, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 09, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 09, 2013, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
4781 on 67?
Yes, it was on 67. I was on that bus today.
I was wondering whether it was unusual?
I'm not entirely sure, these OmniCity buses usually go on the 902/4/5/7 and used to be on 934 before it got changed (that's as far as I can remember from the top of my head).
See one or two on there fairly regularly
One can appear on the 16 once or twice in the weekday too
1838 - 16 - Looked unusual seeing the Toothpaste ominilink working the 16, last time I seen that was when it was branded for the 16
How common are Omnilinks on the 16 then? Did see 1838 today but thought it wasn't unusual
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 09:22:34 PM
How common are Omnilinks on the 16 then? Did see 1838 today but thought it wasn't unusual
When Im in town I see one or two, but there not that common on the 16 from what I see, but to people who commute in and out of town its probably a common thing
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 09:22:34 PM
How common are Omnilinks on the 16 then? Did see 1838 today but thought it wasn't unusual
When Im in town I see one or two, but there not that common on the 16 from what I see, but to people who commute in and out of town its probably a common thing
They do get on the 16 quite a bit, a few days a week at least
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 09, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 09, 2013, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
4781 on 67?
Yes, it was on 67. I was on that bus today.
I was wondering whether it was unusual?
I'm not entirely sure, these OmniCity buses usually go on the 902/4/5/7 and used to be on 934 before it got changed (that's as far as I can remember from the top of my head).
The OmniCity buses usually end up on the 907 these days before 4733-4737 went to Walsall the omnicity's were on the Sutton Lines with the geminis on the 907 but this seems to have been switched around.
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
1838 - 16 - Looked unusual seeing the Toothpaste ominilink working the 16, last time I seen that was when it was branded for the 16
Omnilinks are NOT unusual on the 16. ALX400s, Geminis, Trident-Enviros, Omnilinks and Omnicities are all common allocations
B7RLE on WN59, think it was 2067.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
Omnilinks are NOT unusual on the 16. ALX400s, Geminis, Trident-Enviros, Omnilinks and Omnicities are all common allocations
OmniCltys are not seen on the 16 too often any more. They are mainly on the 907s now
Quote from: John on August 09, 2013, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
Omnilinks are NOT unusual on the 16. ALX400s, Geminis, Trident-Enviros, Omnilinks and Omnicities are all common allocations
OmniCltys are not seen on the 16 too often any more. They are mainly on the 907s now
They were mainly on the 934/A before they transferred to WA
My dad just told me he saw an Enviro400 on the 241 this afternoon and thinks it was 4815
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 10:32:47 PM
They were mainly on the 934/A before they transferred to WA
Yes, but a time before that they only used to appear mainly on the 16. They also used to be regulars on the 115. Then as you said Nathan, the 934/A before the route went to Walsall, now they are mainly on the 907s
Quote from: John on August 09, 2013, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 10:32:47 PM
They were mainly on the 934/A before they transferred to WA
Yes, but a time before that they only used to appear mainly on the 16. They also used to be regulars on the 115. Then as you said Nathan, the 934/A before the route went to Walsall, now they are mainly on the 907s
Thanks for the info john :) Yes i've seen the majority of the Omnicitys on the 907 although one was on the 67 today
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 10:43:04 PM
My dad just told me he saw an Enviro400 on the 241 this afternoon and thinks it was 4815
4815 was having some day today, first on the 9 then onto the 246 & then onto the 241?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 09, 2013, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 10:43:04 PM
My dad just told me he saw an Enviro400 on the 241 this afternoon and thinks it was 4815
4815 was having some day today, first on the 9 then onto the 246 & then onto the 241?
Can confirm it was 4815 on the 140/241 as just rode it on the last 241 of the day to Dudley then the 23:45 140E to Blackheath. Nice thrashy driver as well. Love it when they put an Enviro on the 241
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
1838 - 16 - Looked unusual seeing the Toothpaste ominilink working the 16, last time I seen that was when it was branded for the 16
Omnilinks are NOT unusual on the 16. ALX400s, Geminis, Trident-Enviros, Omnilinks and Omnicities are all common allocations
living just off the route I beg to differ, only seen one single decker on there recently
Quote from: Kevin on August 10, 2013, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 09, 2013, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
1838 - 16 - Looked unusual seeing the Toothpaste ominilink working the 16, last time I seen that was when it was branded for the 16
Omnilinks are NOT unusual on the 16. ALX400s, Geminis, Trident-Enviros, Omnilinks and Omnicities are all common allocations
living just off the route I beg to differ, only seen one single decker on there recently
Really? Whenever I'm on the 16's route I often see an Omnilink. I'd have posted 1838 myself if I thought it was unusual
4556 on the 1 yesterday, forgot to post it
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 10:40:20 AM
4556 on the 1 yesterday, forgot to post it
Tridents seem to be appearing quite a bit recently on the 1. Same also with the 22/3
2091 x96
Not too unusual, but there's a Gem & an Enviro400 on the 40/41 today.
The 70A was also being operated by a Gem.
I also noticed another Gem heading from Walsall towards the garage (by the court). I don't know if this was took off the 70A or whether it is operating the 301/302.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2013, 10:54:59 AM
2091 x96
Not unusual stu. There a two allocated Mon-Sat then full B7RLE on Sunday
Quote from: notepanel on August 10, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Not too unusual, but there's a Gem & an Enviro400 on the 40/41 today.
The 70A was also being operated by a Gem.
I also noticed another Gem heading from Walsall towards the garage (by the court). I don't know if this was took off the 70A or whether it is operating the 301/302.
There is/was a gemini out on the 301
2 geminis on the 70/A
One being 4683
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9479161836/4774 - 41
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9479162328/in/photostream/
4130 - 29
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9476372039/in/photostream/
30940 - 301
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9476371493/in/photostream/
Probably more unusual workings but wasnt in WA long enough to see them all
2098 297A
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 10, 2013, 10:45:45 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 10:40:20 AM
4556 on the 1 yesterday, forgot to post it
Tridents seem to be appearing quite a bit recently on the 1. Same also with the 22/3
There's always at least a couple of Tridents on the 22/23
4312 - 50
4854 - 16
4130 - 29
4683 - 70A
2012 - 28
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 03:08:24 PM
4312 - 50
4854 - 16
4130 - 29
4683 - 70A
2012 - 28
4329 was also out on the 70A
4618 - 23
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
4618 - 23
There were 2 tridents (4633 and 4621) on the 22/23 yesterday
YW Enviro 400s 4741 and 4743 on 6
5514 on (WN) 25, 1785 & 1894 on (WA) 39 and 4086 on (WB) 48.
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 10, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
5514 on (WN) 25, 1785 & 1894 on (WA) 39 and 4086 on (WB) 48.
When did you see 5514? Was on the 59 today
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Quote from: P419 EJW on August 10, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
5514 on (WN) 25, 1785 & 1894 on (WA) 39 and 4086 on (WB) 48.
When did you see 5514? Was on the 59 today
It departed from Wolverhampton Bus Station at 18:04.
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 10, 2013, 07:32:45 PM
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Quote from: P419 EJW on August 10, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
5514 on (WN) 25, 1785 & 1894 on (WA) 39 and 4086 on (WB) 48.
When did you see 5514? Was on the 59 today
It departed from Wolverhampton Bus Station at 18:04.
Well a very great spot :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 10, 2013, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 10, 2013, 07:32:45 PM
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Quote from: P419 EJW on August 10, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
5514 on (WN) 25, 1785 & 1894 on (WA) 39 and 4086 on (WB) 48.
When did you see 5514? Was on the 59 today
It departed from Wolverhampton Bus Station at 18:04.
Well a very great spot :)
Thank you, sir.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
4618 - 23
As I have already said, there are at least 2 Tridents on the 22/23 every day.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 10, 2013, 06:20:03 PM
YW Enviro 400s 4741 and 4743 on 6
This is a common allocation
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 07:59:20 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
4618 - 23
As I have already said, there are at least 2 Tridents on the 22/23 every day.
That's usually Monday - Friday, not known it to be on a weekend basis ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:02:39 PM
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Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
4618 - 23
As I have already said, there are at least 2 Tridents on the 22/23 every day.
That's usually Monday - Friday, not known it to be on a weekend basis ?
It shouldn't be but it normally happens, only day I'd report a Trident on the 22/23 to be unusual is Sunday
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4618 - 23
As I have already said, there are at least 2 Tridents on the 22/23 every day.
That's usually Monday - Friday, not known it to be on a weekend basis ?
It shouldn't be but it normally happens, only day I'd report a Trident on the 22/23 to be unusual is Sunday
On a M-F basis, ive seen one or two tridents running the 22/23
Sat/Sun - Only ever seen Hybrids, but like you said it shouldnt happen but it does
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:16:32 PM
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Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
4618 - 23
As I have already said, there are at least 2 Tridents on the 22/23 every day.
That's usually Monday - Friday, not known it to be on a weekend basis ?
It shouldn't be but it normally happens, only day I'd report a Trident on the 22/23 to be unusual is Sunday
On a M-F basis, ive seen one or two tridents running the 22/23
Sat/Sun - Only ever seen Hybrids, but like you said it shouldnt happen but it does
Saturday, yes, Sunday, unusual
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 08:17:36 PM
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Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
4618 - 23
As I have already said, there are at least 2 Tridents on the 22/23 every day.
That's usually Monday - Friday, not known it to be on a weekend basis ?
It shouldn't be but it normally happens, only day I'd report a Trident on the 22/23 to be unusual is Sunday
On a M-F basis, ive seen one or two tridents running the 22/23
Sat/Sun - Only ever seen Hybrids, but like you said it shouldnt happen but it does
Saturday, yes, Sunday, unusual
Next Saturday, Ill have to have a look when Im out, ive just never seen one on Sat
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 08:02:20 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 10, 2013, 06:20:03 PM
YW Enviro 400s 4741 and 4743 on 6
This is a common allocation
Not that common, but not that unusual really.
The 6 usually sees Omnilnks, with the occasional Trident thrown in at peak times, with the odd spare Enviro.
Quote from: Stu on August 10, 2013, 08:30:02 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 08:02:20 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 10, 2013, 06:20:03 PM
YW Enviro 400s 4741 and 4743 on 6
This is a common allocation
Not that common, but not that unusual really.
The 6 usually sees Omnilnks, with the occasional Trident thrown in at peak times, with the odd spare Enviro.
I see many more Enviros than Tridents, see a couple every time I'm in the area
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
It shouldn't be but it normally happens, only day I'd report a Trident on the 22/23 to be unusual is Sunday
I did reported about 3 months ago that 2 tridents appeared on 22/23 routes for a week then back to normal.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
It shouldn't be but it normally happens, only day I'd report a Trident on the 22/23 to be unusual is Sunday
I did reported about 3 months ago that 2 tridents appeared on 22/23 routes for a week then back to normal.
It still happens daily
Enviros on YW6 are less common than Tridents, both types appear regularly, more so on weekdays than saturdays
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:57:22 PM
On a Monday - Friday peak time it can happen , as I said
Ok, what are the spare hybrids for then? As recently only a spare hybrid started to appear on the 24 where in the past whole spares are used on he 24
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 10, 2013, 09:06:06 PM
Enviros on YW6 are less common than Tridents, both types appear regularly, more so on weekdays than saturdays
I agree with Ashley. I do like seeing the Enviro400s on the 6 though, a Trident is a lot more common on there than an Enviro400
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:57:22 PM
On a Monday - Friday peak time it can happen , as I said
Ok, what are the spare hybrids for then? As recently only a spare hybrid started to appear on the 24 where in the past whole spares are used on he 24
Isnt the PVR on Monday - Friday greater than on Weekends, therefore tridents would be needed to work a few peak boards, unless Im wrong.
4085 - 48
Quote from: X94 on August 10, 2013, 09:09:45 PM
4085 - 48
Good Spot
I could see that becoming more common now Yardley Wood are transferring away Presidents back to West Brom
4769 on the 311 the other day
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 09:09:21 PM
Isnt the PVR on Monday - Friday greater than on Weekends, therefore tridents would be needed to work a few peak boards, unless Im wrong.
It still leaves a spare hybrid. PVR on the busy times is 17 and at daytimes is 15.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 09:09:21 PM
Isnt the PVR on Monday - Friday greater than on Weekends, therefore tridents would be needed to work a few peak boards, unless Im wrong.
It still leaves a spare hybrid. PVR on the busy times is 17 and at daytimes is 15.
But, due to the way buses are parked in the garage at night and the order they need to leave in the morning, you usually get Hybrids turning up on the 24 with Tridents on the 22/23 at the same time
4549 is on the 256 tonight so maybe 2 volvos the other night was a one off
Piece of junk 5511 has just left wolves on 21:25 126 to brum, think its replaced a Trident
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 10, 2013, 09:35:09 PM
Piece of junk 5511 has just left wolves on 21:25 126 to brum, think its replaced a Trident
I'd say 5512 is a piece of JNK ;)
Haha very good matt :P
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 10, 2013, 09:35:09 PM
Piece of junk 5511 has just left wolves on 21:25 126 to brum, think its replaced a Trident
Yeah just seen it go past the BP garage on ivyhouse lane i thought 5511 was an enviro god im such an idiot
Quote from: domino.99 on August 10, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
4769 on the 311 the other day
What day and time was this?
There used to be a double decker school working from schools at M6 J9 up to Wednesbury which could then easily go off onto a peak X51, 935....
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 10, 2013, 09:51:11 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 10, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
4769 on the 311 the other day
What day and time was this?
There used to be a double decker school working from schools at M6 J9 up to Wednesbury which could then easily go off onto a peak X51, 935....
The 17:05 working from dudley-walsall
Quote from: domino.99 on August 10, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
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Quote from: domino.99 on August 10, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
4769 on the 311 the other day
What day and time was this?
There used to be a double decker school working from schools at M6 J9 up to Wednesbury which could then easily go off onto a peak X51, 935....
The 17:05 working from dudley-walsall
A decker working to Bradford Place? How is that possible? The route to the garage involves a low bridge that deckers can't possibly go round
(sarcasm intended)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 09:17:04 PM
But, due to the way buses are parked in the garage at night and the order they need to leave in the morning, you usually get Hybrids turning up on the 24 with Tridents on the 22/23 at the same time
Hybrids used to appear on the 24 but nowadays it's good to see a single hybrid on the 24 daily M-F and that is before the school holidays.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 09:14:16 PM
Yes, it does.
Ok, before the Ramadan, I used to run regularly to Five Ways in the morning busy times and I haven't seen a single trident on 22/23 (apart from the report that I made 3 months ago). However these routes really packed of pupils at Harborne metropolitan and Bartley Green schools but still haven't seen tridents.
Speaking of this route, these are also my local routes alongside 24.
Quote from: Kevin on August 10, 2013, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 10, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 10, 2013, 09:51:11 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 10, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
4769 on the 311 the other day
What day and time was this?
There used to be a double decker school working from schools at M6 J9 up to Wednesbury which could then easily go off onto a peak X51, 935....
The 17:05 working from dudley-walsall
A decker working to Bradford Place? How is that possible? The route to the garage involves a low bridge that deckers can't possibly go round
(sarcasm intended)
LOL :D
It wasn't having fun on the motorway island on the edge of walsall
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 09:17:04 PM
But, due to the way buses are parked in the garage at night and the order they need to leave in the morning, you usually get Hybrids turning up on the 24 with Tridents on the 22/23 at the same time
Hybrids used to appear on the 24 but nowadays it's good to see a single hybrid on the 24 daily and that is before the school holidays.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 09:14:16 PM
Yes, it does.
Ok, before the Ramadan, I used to run regularly to Five Ways in the morning busy times and I haven't seen a single trident on 22/23 (apart from the report that I made 3 months ago). However these routes really packed of pupils at Harborne metropolitan and Bartley Green schools but still haven't seen tridents.
Speaking of this route, these are also my local routes alongside 24.
Haven't really been paying attention since the school summer holiday timetable kicked in but there are typically 2 to 3 Tridents on the 22/23 every Monday to Friday, these are typically peak hour boards and don't necessarily run all day. There is one peak board (passes Harborne baths at around 8.05 ex city) which is always a Trident. Typically this frees up maybe a couple of Hybrids to work the 24 on all day boards. Tridents are less frequent on the 22/23 on Saturday but do sometimes still appear. So in short, Tridents on the 22/23, albeit usually only a couple of buses are common allocations in the week.
Quote from: Mike K on August 10, 2013, 10:12:57 PM
There are typically 2 to 3 Tridents on the 22/23 every Monday to Friday, these are typically peak hour boards and don't necessarily run all day. There is one peak board (passes Harborne baths at around 8.05 ex city) which is always a Trident. Typically this frees up maybe a couple of Hybrids to work the 24 on all day boards. Tridents are less frequent on the 22/23 on Saturday but do sometimes still appear. So in short, Tridents on the 22/23, albeit usually only a couple of buses are common allocations in the week.
Well, I was proven wrong then. I apologise, I wrote what I saw. Thank you for your input!
1888 on the 4M (rare as 1883-1890 normally only stay on the 301)
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 10, 2013, 10:12:57 PM
There are typically 2 to 3 Tridents on the 22/23 every Monday to Friday, these are typically peak hour boards and don't necessarily run all day. There is one peak board (passes Harborne baths at around 8.05 ex city) which is always a Trident. Typically this frees up maybe a couple of Hybrids to work the 24 on all day boards. Tridents are less frequent on the 22/23 on Saturday but do sometimes still appear. So in short, Tridents on the 22/23, albeit usually only a couple of buses are common allocations in the week.
Well, I was proven wrong then. I apologise, I wrote what I saw. Thank you for your input!
No worries, Tridents on the 22/23 come and go, it's not often they stay on all day. New E400s are also starting to creep onto some of the peak boards in lieu of Tridents.
1767 was on the 4M today.
Also 4296 was on the 5 in WB, is it unusual for an ALX to be on there rather than the branded presidents? (I don't know this route so can't tell)
Quote from: N94 on August 10, 2013, 11:32:35 PM
1767 was on the 4M today.
Also 4296 was on the 5 in WB, is it unusual for an ALX to be on there rather than the branded presidents? (I don't know this route so can't tell)
One B7RLE on the 4 isn't particularly unusual.
I don't know the 5 either but from what I can tell it gets Presidents, Enviro200s and Mercs (bit of an odd mix!) so I'd say that is unusual
2124, 2135 and a third B7RLE on the 24 this evening!
4826 on 120 (after being on the 244/276 the other night)
5511 on 22:40 126 from Digbeth
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: N94 on August 10, 2013, 11:32:35 PM
1767 was on the 4M today.
Also 4296 was on the 5 in WB, is it unusual for an ALX to be on there rather than the branded presidents? (I don't know this route so can't tell)
One B7RLE on the 4 isn't particularly unusual.
I don't know the 5 either but from what I can tell it gets Presidents, Enviro200s and Mercs (bit of an odd mix!) so I'd say that is unusual
Ah, ok. Cheers for that!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: N94 on August 10, 2013, 11:32:35 PM
1767 was on the 4M today.
Also 4296 was on the 5 in WB, is it unusual for an ALX to be on there rather than the branded presidents? (I don't know this route so can't tell)
One B7RLE on the 4 isn't particularly unusual.
I don't know the 5 either but from what I can tell it gets Presidents, Enviro200s and Mercs (bit of an odd mix!) so I'd say that is unusual
A 42** on the 5 happens a few days a week and are not that unusual, Geminis are more common than ALX400s. An Enviro200 on the daytime 5s are quite unusual now.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 11:56:45 PM
2124, 2135 and a third B7RLE on the 24 this evening!
4826 on 120 (after being on the 244/276 the other night)
5511 on 22:40 126 from Digbeth
How come there was 3 B7's on the 24 ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2013, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 11:56:45 PM
2124, 2135 and a third B7RLE on the 24 this evening!
4826 on 120 (after being on the 244/276 the other night)
5511 on 22:40 126 from Digbeth
How come there was 3 B7's on the 24 ?
Does seem odd having 3 B7RLE's on the 24. Having one on there is common but 3 is unusual, Maybe a couple of buses broke down? (Probably unlikley)
4556 on WN 25/7 (Very odd for a sunday). Usually B7RLE operated. Thought it was 4541 (BL53 EDU) but actually turrned out to be 4556 (EEU)
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4769 on the 311 the other day
What day and time was this?
There used to be a double decker school working from schools at M6 J9 up to Wednesbury which could then easily go off onto a peak X51, 935....
The 17:05 working from dudley-walsall
A decker working to Bradford Place? How is that possible? The route to the garage involves a low bridge that deckers can't possibly go round
(sarcasm intended)
LOL :D
It wasn't having fun on the motorway island on the edge of walsall
Running boards now indicate the line of route buses must take to / from depot at the start / end of service. All running boards tell buses to travel between Bradford Place and depot via Caldmore Road, down to the Arboretum Lights, past Walsall College and then right up into Leamore. Double deckers cannot be allocated to routes on 34 / xx running boards covering 34 / 38 / 39 since the 38 line of route is under that bridge but in theory can to 4 / 311 / 313.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 11, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
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Quote from: domino.99 on August 10, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
4769 on the 311 the other day
What day and time was this?
There used to be a double decker school working from schools at M6 J9 up to Wednesbury which could then easily go off onto a peak X51, 935....
The 17:05 working from dudley-walsall
A decker working to Bradford Place? How is that possible? The route to the garage involves a low bridge that deckers can't possibly go round
(sarcasm intended)
LOL :D
It wasn't having fun on the motorway island on the edge of walsall
Running boards now indicate the line of route buses must take to / from depot at the start / end of service. All running boards tell buses to travel between Bradford Place and depot via Caldmore Road, down to the Arboretum Lights, past Walsall College and then right up into Leamore. Double deckers cannot be allocated to routes on 34 / xx running boards covering 34 / 38 / 39 since the 38 line of route is under that bridge but in theory can to 4 / 311 / 313.
I suppose the problem is that you get a driver with a double decker, arrives at Bradford Place Really late, decides to try and regain some time going back to depot the quicker way and volia, a new single decker for the fleet.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 11, 2013, 03:37:42 PM
4541 on WN 25/7 (Very odd for a sunday). Usually B7RLE operated.
On the 17:10 27 from Dudley
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4769 on the 311 the other day
What day and time was this?
There used to be a double decker school working from schools at M6 J9 up to Wednesbury which could then easily go off onto a peak X51, 935....
The 17:05 working from dudley-walsall
A decker working to Bradford Place? How is that possible? The route to the garage involves a low bridge that deckers can't possibly go round
(sarcasm intended)
LOL :D
It wasn't having fun on the motorway island on the edge of walsall
Running boards now indicate the line of route buses must take to / from depot at the start / end of service. All running boards tell buses to travel between Bradford Place and depot via Caldmore Road, down to the Arboretum Lights, past Walsall College and then right up into Leamore. Double deckers cannot be allocated to routes on 34 / xx running boards covering 34 / 38 / 39 since the 38 line of route is under that bridge but in theory can to 4 / 311 / 313.
I suppose the problem is that you get a driver with a double decker, arrives at Bradford Place Really late, decides to try and regain some time going back to depot the quicker way and volia, a new single decker for the fleet.
I was confussed aswell but who knows what he could of done
4446 on 957 today, would expect it to be all Enviro400s on a Sunday at least
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 10:17:39 PM
4446 on 957 today, would expect it to be all Enviro400s on a Sunday at least
Tbh i've seen a few tridents on the 900/57 on a sunday
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 11, 2013, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 10:17:39 PM
4446 on 957 today, would expect it to be all Enviro400s on a Sunday at least
Tbh i've seen a few tridents on the 900/57 on a sunday
Why can't they just use Enviros? Seems strange
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 11, 2013, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 10:17:39 PM
4446 on 957 today, would expect it to be all Enviro400s on a Sunday at least
Tbh i've seen a few tridents on the 900/57 on a sunday
Why can't they just use Enviros? Seems strange
Maybe to give the E400's a rest off the 900/57. I also think PN 246 should be operated fully E400 on Sundays
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 11, 2013, 10:28:20 PM
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 10:17:39 PM
4446 on 957 today, would expect it to be all Enviro400s on a Sunday at least
Tbh i've seen a few tridents on the 900/57 on a sunday
Why can't they just use Enviros? Seems strange
Maybe to give the E400's a rest off the 900/57. I also think PN 246 should be operated fully E400 on Sundays
It was fully Trident today: 4196, 4198, 4199 & 4201
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4769 on the 311 the other day
What day and time was this?
There used to be a double decker school working from schools at M6 J9 up to Wednesbury which could then easily go off onto a peak X51, 935....
The 17:05 working from dudley-walsall
A decker working to Bradford Place? How is that possible? The route to the garage involves a low bridge that deckers can't possibly go round
(sarcasm intended)
LOL :D
It wasn't having fun on the motorway island on the edge of walsall
Running boards now indicate the line of route buses must take to / from depot at the start / end of service. All running boards tell buses to travel between Bradford Place and depot via Caldmore Road, down to the Arboretum Lights, past Walsall College and then right up into Leamore. Double deckers cannot be allocated to routes on 34 / xx running boards covering 34 / 38 / 39 since the 38 line of route is under that bridge but in theory can to 4 / 311 / 313.
I suppose the problem is that you get a driver with a double decker, arrives at Bradford Place Really late, decides to try and regain some time going back to depot the quicker way and volia, a new single decker for the fleet.
Another potential problem with Bradford Place, is that for some reason the Wednesbury Road seems to be closed quite often for one reason or another. By not being able to use Bridgeman St, a double deck would be very limited in what diversion route it could take to still serve Bradford Place.
I saw 1864 the other yesterday on the 115. I don't know if this is THAT unusual but I work right by those stops and I've never seen an Omnilink on the 115.
Quote from: JB93 on August 12, 2013, 01:54:54 AM
I saw 1864 the other yesterday on the 115. I don't know if this is THAT unusual but I work right by those stops and I've never seen an Omnilink on the 115.
I've seen a few B10Ls on there a while back and also a Toothpaste OmniLink, any single decker is unusual on any Sutton Lines service. Good spot
2001 currently on WN226
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
2001 currently on WN226
I apologise; I have to be this picky, blame my OCD. It's WN 26*
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 12, 2013, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
2001 currently on WN226
I apologise; I have to be this picky, blame my OCD. It's WN 26*
Or maybe he meant 126?
B7RLEs do appear on the 226 just not NXWM ones! ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 12, 2013, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
2001 currently on WN226
I apologise; I have to be this picky, blame my OCD. It's WN 26*
Or maybe he meant 126?
B7RLEs do appear on the 226 just not NXWM ones! ;D
... Or WN 126 indeed! That might be the most likely correction. Yes, you're right about the 226. :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 12, 2013, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 12, 2013, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
2001 currently on WN226
I apologise; I have to be this picky, blame my OCD. It's WN 26*
Or maybe he meant 126?
B7RLEs do appear on the 226 just not NXWM ones! ;D
... Or WN 126 indeed! That might be the most likely correction. Yes, you're right about the 226. :)
It just seems unlikely to me to be the 26 as a B7RLE on the 26 would be extremely rare
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 12, 2013, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
2001 currently on WN226
I apologise; I have to be this picky, blame my OCD. It's WN 26*
[SNIP]
B7RLEs do appear on the 226 just not NXWM ones! ;D
Although its very very rare...more likely to see a dart!
508 on the 27
B7RLE on the 297.
Are Doubles unusual on the 27/27A?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 03:29:35 PM
508 on the 27
How is this unusual?
Main allocation Stu, alongside Tridents, Mercs and the occasional Spectra and B7RLE. :)
4200 on 9 (left Stourbridge around 15:15)
2095 on 297
Quote from: Rob4367 on August 12, 2013, 03:50:35 PM
Are Doubles unusual on the 27/27A?
Nope, Tridents & Spectras regularly appear, with the occasional Hybrid in the evening ;D
1671 on the 79
1677 on the 256/7
2095 on the 297
4200 on the 9
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on August 12, 2013, 03:50:35 PM
Are Doubles unusual on the 27/27A?
Nope, Tridents & Spectras regularly appear, with the occasional Hybrid in the evening ;D
Thank You Matt ;) Just Wondered because I seen 4577 on there :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on August 12, 2013, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on August 12, 2013, 03:50:35 PM
Are Doubles unusual on the 27/27A?
Nope, Tridents & Spectras regularly appear, with the occasional Hybrid in the evening ;D
Thank You Matt ;) Just Wondered because I seen 4577 on there :)
Tbh the 25/7 can see most types on a regular basis. Official Allocation Mon-Fri is Tridents and B6's
4195 on the 9
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 04:22:56 PM
4195 on the 9
Two Tridents on the 9 today then, most likely explains why there's 2 Enviros on the 246 (4804/17)
I've noticed no tridents have been allocated to Walsall 89 service but 2 are daily allocated to 70A and 1 allocated to 10/10A.
Is this to keep Trevor Road/Field Lane residents happy and telling NXWM what buses they can and can't use on the service.
As its the school holidays they are not as required as much.
4763 - 302
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9496472674/
4875 - 10
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9493672873/in/photostream/
640 - 82
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9496477728/in/photostream/
4013 - 79 ] Not too sure if this is unusual or not ?. I havent seen a spectra on here for a while?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9496483892/in/photostream/
4012 - 28 ] Not sure if this is unusual either ill happily be corrected
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9496484720/
5512 - Daytime 59 alongside Not sure if this is common neither
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9493683773/in/photostream/
5514 - 59
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9496486914/in/photostream/
4601 - Broke down in Wolverhampton I think, was outside with Hazards Flashing?
4305 - 70A - another trident on the 70 :?
B7 - 126
Hyberdoodles are daily on the 59, im suprised youve not noticed that by now flickr nathan
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
Hyberdoodles are daily on the 59, im suprised youve not noticed that by now flickr nathan
;D ;D, i thought it was a peak board thing ;D ;D
4126 - 997
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
Hyberdoodles are daily on the 59, im suprised youve not noticed that by now flickr nathan
;D ;D, i thought it was a peak board thing ;D ;D
B5LH are part of the main allocation Nathan.
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
Hyberdoodles are daily on the 59, im suprised youve not noticed that by now flickr nathan
;D ;D, i thought it was a peak board thing ;D ;D
Tbh i haven't actually noticed the peak board operated by a hybrid yet!
1684 on WN59
2027 and another B7RLE on the 256/7
640 on WN82
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 07:06:09 PM
1684 on WN59
2027 and another B7RLE on the 256/7
640 on WN82
when did you see these ?
2124 on 24, and Julie on evening 957. John
2011 on the 81 today
almost forgot
2002 - working the 82 aswell
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 07:21:07 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 07:06:09 PM
1684 on WN59
2027 and another B7RLE on the 256/7
640 on WN82
when did you see these ?
Saw 1684 around about 18:25-18:30 in Wednesfield towards Wolverhampton
(Wasn't on there earlier and was on an all day board so must have replaced another bus)
Saw 2027 in Wolverhampton around about 18:10
And saw the other B7RLE on the 257 in Dudley 17:15 while waiting for 5413 on the 1 (Driven by Forum member Driver03)
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
almost forgot
2002 - working the 82 aswell
Got a photo of 2008 on there aswell. Quite common now same with B7RLE's on the 81 (Also in reply to Domino99's post)
640 was on the 82 today
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
almost forgot
2002 - working the 82 aswell
Got a photo of 2008 on there aswell. Quite common now same with B7RLE's on the 81 (Also in reply to Domino99's post)
640 was on the 82 today
Got a picture of 640 on the 82 ;D
What was that B7rle on the 126 this afternoon?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Two Tridents on the 9 today
Better be one on there tomorrow, or the 141. But because I want to see them on the Birmingham routes, the Tridents will all be on the 246!
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Two Tridents on the 9 today
Better be one on there tomorrow, or the 141. But because I want to see them on the Birmingham routes, the Tridents will all be on the 246!
think positive ;)
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Two Tridents on the 9 today
Better be one on there tomorrow, or the 141. But because I want to see them on the Birmingham routes, the Tridents will all be on the 246!
Seems to be tridents on the 9 most days. Been trying to catch a trident on the 9 for weeks and 4200 turned up today:)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Two Tridents on the 9 today
Better be one on there tomorrow, or the 141. But because I want to see them on the Birmingham routes, the Tridents will all be on the 246!
Seems to be tridents on the 9 most days. Been trying to catch a trident on the 9 for weeks and 4200 turned up today:)
Seemed to be put into service conveniently as we arrived in Stourbridge off the 298
Looked as if it turned up from the garage (Peak Working possibly?)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Looked as if it turned up from the garage (Peak Working possibly?)
I didn't think there were any peak workings in the summer timetable (but I could be wrong!)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 10:33:09 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Looked as if it turned up from the garage (Peak Working possibly?)
I didn't think there were any peak workings in the summer timetable (but I could be wrong!)
There probally is but not as many as many as there is when there isnt a summer timetable
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:36:20 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 10:33:09 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Looked as if it turned up from the garage (Peak Working possibly?)
I didn't think there were any peak workings in the summer timetable (but I could be wrong!)
There probally is but not as many as many as there is when there isnt a summer timetable
How many peak boards are on the 9?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:38:54 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:36:20 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 10:33:09 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Looked as if it turned up from the garage (Peak Working possibly?)
I didn't think there were any peak workings in the summer timetable (but I could be wrong!)
There probally is but not as many as many as there is when there isnt a summer timetable
How many peak boards are on the 9?
Not sure, as I dont really pay attention to the 9 nathan sorry.
My question was kind of aimed at anyone who can answer it (Mainly the few PE drivers on here)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:53:25 PM
My question was kind of aimed at anyone who can answer it (Mainly the few PE drivers on here)
are there any PE drivers on here, I thought there were BC Drivers and Lynx being a WA driver.
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:55:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:53:25 PM
My question was kind of aimed at anyone who can answer it (Mainly the few PE drivers on here)
are there any PE drivers on here, I thought there were BC Drivers and Lynx being a WA driver.
Pensnettdriver,Driver,ade and possibly Richie (Are you are PE driver?)
WB 524 on the 451 tonite, I think...
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:55:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:53:25 PM
My question was kind of aimed at anyone who can answer it (Mainly the few PE drivers on here)
are there any PE drivers on here, I thought there were BC Drivers and Lynx being a WA driver.
Pensnettdriver,Driver,ade and possibly Richie (Are you are PE driver?)
There's also a 'wbdriver' and Driver03 at WN. Believe 4006 is a WN driver too?
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Two Tridents on the 9 today
Better be one on there tomorrow, or the 141. But because I want to see them on the Birmingham routes, the Tridents will all be on the 246!
think positive ;)
Thanks Nathan. Am going to do the whole 9 from Stourbridge into Birmingham this afternoon, so should see one or more if they are on the 9 ;D
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 08:07:58 AM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Two Tridents on the 9 today
Better be one on there tomorrow, or the 141. But because I want to see them on the Birmingham routes, the Tridents will all be on the 246!
think positive ;)
Thanks Nathan. Am going to do the whole 9 from Stourbridge into Birmingham this afternoon, so should see one or more if they are on the 9 ;D
Good Luck ;D
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 08:07:58 AM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Two Tridents on the 9 today
Better be one on there tomorrow, or the 141. But because I want to see them on the Birmingham routes, the Tridents will all be on the 246!
think positive ;)
Thanks Nathan. Am going to do the whole 9 from Stourbridge into Birmingham this afternoon, so should see one or more if they are on the 9 ;D
You'll go past my house then ;) I do plenty of 9s every day so might see you
Merc - daytime 5, ] unusual for a daytime, normally president operated
Theres a Merc on WB5 most days Nathan as has been discussed already, 4290 is on there today if anyones interested.
I know its the wrong thread but theres one of Diamonds latest B7RLE's on the 119
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 13, 2013, 12:26:32 PM
Theres a Merc on WB5 most days Nathan as has been discussed already, 4290 is on there today if anyones interested.
I know its the wrong thread but theres one of Diamonds latest B7RLE's on the 119
Post it in the Diamond Unusual Workings then
4002 on the 529
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
Are you sure it was definetley the 126? If so an Ultra Rare spot :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 08:07:58 AM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 12, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Two Tridents on the 9 today
Better be one on there tomorrow, or the 141. But because I want to see them on the Birmingham routes, the Tridents will all be on the 246!
think positive ;)
Thanks Nathan. Am going to do the whole 9 from Stourbridge into Birmingham this afternoon, so should see one or more if they are on the 9 ;D
You'll go past my house then ;) I do plenty of 9s every day so might see you
4196 is on the 9 today. Snapped it in Stourbridge. it was taken off the 246 and an O405N put into the 246 (1632 I think)
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
A B6LE on the 126?! That's a very good spot, indeed. Extremely rare.
4826 on 276.
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 13, 2013, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
A B6LE on the 126?! That's a very good spot, indeed. Extremely rare.
Infact Ultra rare!NXWM Breaking the emission rule again!
1871 - 914
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 13, 2013, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
A B6LE on the 126?! That's a very good spot, indeed. Extremely rare.
Infact Ultra rare!NXWM Breaking the emission rule again!
Do B6s have BIRMINGHAM on their blinds?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 13, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 13, 2013, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
A B6LE on the 126?! That's a very good spot, indeed. Extremely rare.
Infact Ultra rare!NXWM Breaking the emission rule again!
Do B6s have BIRMINGHAM on their blinds?
Id imagine they do if they came from PE ? could be wrong
I don't think they do but its something i will have to find out.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 13, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
Do B6s have BIRMINGHAM on their blinds?
They may do. B10Bs have made it onto the 79, so if they have the 79 on the blinds, they might have the 126 Birmingham. The blinds in the B6LEs may be the same used in the B10Bs, and also the B10Ls, updated with new destinations with route changes
See
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1332.html
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 13, 2013, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
A B6LE on the 126?! That's a very good spot, indeed. Extremely rare.
Infact Ultra rare! NXWM Breaking the emission rule again!
I'm going to be picky again. "Ultra rare" and "extremely rare" are exactly the same - just a different word with same definition. x_x
Actually i don't think they do have Birmingham on the blinds as i watched a driver roll through all of the blinds and i don't recall Brum being on there presumably because they shouldn't enter Birmingjam unless it filled in on a 126E
Sorry Mr clever Cloggs! :( Anyway WN garage must have been desperate for buses to send a B6 out on the 126
I think if they came from PE, they would have B'Ham on the blinds. as PE have the 9/140/120 which enter Birmingham.
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
I think if they came from PE, they would have B'Ham on the blinds. as PE have the 9/140/120 which enter Birmingham.
But they don't have PE's blinds now as they were fitted with WN blinds on arrival.
Some came from BC aswell Nathan
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
I think if they came from PE, they would have B'Ham on the blinds. as PE have the 9/140/120 which enter Birmingham.
But they don't have PE's blinds now as they were fitted with WN blinds on arrival.
Some came from BC aswell Nathan
If they are blinds from B10Bs then it will have Birmingham on as the 126 was allocated them.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 13, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 13, 2013, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
A B6LE on the 126?! That's a very good spot, indeed. Extremely rare.
Yeah it had a via that doesn't go on the 126 but he tried to make it so you couldn't see it
Infact Ultra rare!NXWM Breaking the emission rule again!
Do B6s have BIRMINGHAM on their blinds?
Yeah but it had a random via on it that he tried to cover lol
Not sure if this is really a "working" but the Phoenix Shuttle from Maypole was today run with a Toothpaste Enviro (possibly 4723 but can't confirm).
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
I think if they came from PE, they would have B'Ham on the blinds. as PE have the 9/140/120 which enter Birmingham.
But they don't have PE's blinds now as they were fitted with WN blinds on arrival.
Some came from BC aswell Nathan
Oh they probally dont then
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 08:08:29 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
I think if they came from PE, they would have B'Ham on the blinds. as PE have the 9/140/120 which enter Birmingham.
But they don't have PE's blinds now as they were fitted with WN blinds on arrival.
Some came from BC aswell Nathan
Oh they probally dont then
Why? Wolverhampton garage have always run services to Birmingham and it has always been on all their blinds
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2013, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 08:08:29 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
I think if they came from PE, they would have B'Ham on the blinds. as PE have the 9/140/120 which enter Birmingham.
But they don't have PE's blinds now as they were fitted with WN blinds on arrival.
Some came from BC aswell Nathan
Oh they probally dont then
Why? Wolverhampton garage have always run services to Birmingham and it has always been on all their blinds
Not too sure really :-[
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2013, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 08:08:29 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
I think if they came from PE, they would have B'Ham on the blinds. as PE have the 9/140/120 which enter Birmingham.
But they don't have PE's blinds now as they were fitted with WN blinds on arrival.
Some came from BC aswell Nathan
Oh they probally dont then
Why? Wolverhampton garage have always run services to Birmingham and it has always been on all their blinds
Not too sure really :-[
All possible destinations for a garage's services should be on the destination blinds on any buses which have them. So of course WN's B6s will have Birmingham on them...
Also the 79 used to go to Birmingham as well as the 126 if you remember
If the blinds have all the posdible destinations for the garage why isn't Walsall included? (529)
If you have read Dom already said it had Birmingham on the blinds so the confusion has been cleared up :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 08:29:12 PM
If the blinds have all the posdible destinations for the garage why isn't Walsall included? (529)
Because the 529 is the only service WN operate which goes to Walsall, and the blinds were probably made before the 529 was operated by WN.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 08:29:12 PM
If the blinds have all the posdible destinations for the garage why isn't Walsall included? (529)
Because the 529 is the only service WN operate which goes to Walsall, and the blinds were probably made before the 529 was operated by WN.
Either way i don't think they should have used a B6 on the 126. As suggested a trident or B5 should have came off a 59
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 08:29:12 PM
If the blinds have all the posdible destinations for the garage why isn't Walsall included? (529)
Because the 529 is the only service WN operate which goes to Walsall, and the blinds were probably made before the 529 was operated by WN.
Either way i don't think they should have used a B6 on the 126. As suggested a trident or B5 should have came off a 59
Now that I cannot explain ;)
On the plus side the journey was operated ;D Better than no bus at all ;)
4622 on 900 today, nice to see a Trident still hanging on.
Gemini 4681 on 51.
808 on the 98.
4197 on 9
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
4622 on 900 today, nice to see a Trident still hanging on.
Gemini 4681 on 51.
808 on the 98.
4197 on 9
The last two are quite common
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
4622 on 900 today, nice to see a Trident still hanging on.
Gemini 4681 on 51.
808 on the 98.
4197 on 9
The last two are quite common
Depends on what time you saw 4197 on the 9, Tridents aren't common on the 9 on a morning, but are on an afternoon lately.
Had to drive into Birmingham this morning and didn't see a single Trident.
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9504779488/
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 06:06:07 PM
4196 is on the 9 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9501988325/
Quote from: s94 on August 13, 2013, 06:59:59 PM
4826 on 276.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9504783722/
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
4622 on 900 today, nice to see a Trident still hanging on.
Gemini 4681 on 51.
808 on the 98.
4197 on 9
The last two are quite common
Please don't try and tell me what's common and what's not on a route which goes past my house.
I was going to say that I won't post Tridents on the 9 if it happens again in the next couple of days.
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 08:52:22 PM
Quote from: s94 on August 13, 2013, 06:59:59 PM
4826 on 276.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9504783722/
What time did you see this and where, John?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
4622 on 900 today, nice to see a Trident still hanging on.
4622 weren't the only Trident on the 900 4430 was aswell but I have to agree with you Matt Nice to see Tridents still appearing on the 900/957 :)
Matt, Can you really say tridents are unusual on the 9 as they seem to appear every day!
If you are going to say that Matt i can turn round and say don't try correcting anybody on Wolverhampton Unusual Workings!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:04:04 PM
Matt, Can you really say tridents are unusual on the 9 as they seem to appear every day!
If you are going to say that Matt i can turn round and say don't try correcting anybody on Wolverhampton Unusual Workings!
If you read what I wrote, I did say that I won't post it as unusual if it happens again soon.
I will correct anyone on any workings if what they say is incorrect, but in a polite way...
So don't try telling me not to correct you! All i said was what i see. E200's do go on the 98 regually and tridents on the 9 are common.
Anyway arguing aside the B6 on the 126 is one of the rarest workings on here
Only a few genuine Rare workings have been reported
Problem is, what maybe unusual to one person, maybe not unusual to other people.
I was having a day out in Birmingham yesterday, and thoroughly enjoyed myself, however i couldn't really tell you if i saw anything unusual as i don't know what a lot of the Birmingham services are allocated.
Yt if i was to see a B6 on the 256 or a Trident on the 243/4, then that's unusual.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 13, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
Problem is, what maybe unusual to one person, maybe not unusual to other people.
I was having a day out in Birmingham yesterday, and thoroughly enjoyed myself, however i couldn't really tell you if i saw anything unusual as i don't know what a lot of the Birmingham services are allocated.
Yt if i was to see a B6 on the 256 or a Trident on the 243/4, then that's unusual.
I agree completly mate i don't know much about brum and coventrys routes so if i saw a hybrid on the 11 then i woudn't know what to think but a B6 on the 126 then thats unusual or a spectra on the 257 i saw at the end of july i'd be like WTF!?!
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 13, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
Problem is, what maybe unusual to one person, maybe not unusual to other people.
I was having a day out in Birmingham yesterday, and thoroughly enjoyed myself, however i couldn't really tell you if i saw anything unusual as i don't know what a lot of the Birmingham services are allocated.
Yt if i was to see a B6 on the 256 or a Trident on the 243/4, then that's unusual.
I agree completly mate i don't know much about brum and coventrys routes so if i saw a hybrid on the 11 then i woudn't know what to think but a B6 on the 126 then thats unusual or a spectra on the 257 i saw at the end of july i'd be like WTF!?!
If you mean the 11A/C Outer Circle, then it would definitely be a rare sight seeing a Hybrid on there...
Dom, Spectras on the 256/7 are actully not that odd.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
Dom, Spectras on the 256/7 are actully not that odd.
It's just 'cause 257 is a PE route and spectras are WN
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
Dom, Spectras on the 256/7 are actully not that odd.
It's just 'cause 257 is a PE route and spectras are WN
No, 257 is a Wolverhampton route Dom :)
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
Dom, Spectras on the 256/7 are actully not that odd.
It's just 'cause 257 is a PE route and spectras are WN
No Dom, the 257 is a WN route, interworks with the 256
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
Dom, Spectras on the 256/7 are actully not that odd.
It's just 'cause 257 is a PE route and spectras are WN
No, 257 is a Wolverhampton route Dom :)
Well, it's still a Pensnett route but it is operated by the Wolverhampton Garage. It used to be operated by Pensnett before the changes happened.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
Dom, Spectras on the 256/7 are actully not that odd.
It's just 'cause 257 is a PE route and spectras are WN
No, 257 is a Wolverhampton route Dom :)
Oh crap my mistake
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 13, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
Dom, Spectras on the 256/7 are actully not that odd.
It's just 'cause 257 is a PE route and spectras are WN
No, 257 is a Wolverhampton route Dom :)
Well, it's still a Pensnett route but it is operated by the Wolverhampton Garage. It used to be operated by Pensnett before the changes happened.
Thats what i thought i didn't know they interworked it though the 256/255 interworked
Yes the 256 used to interwork with the old 259 route didn't it as that was WN operated?
The 256/7 had 3 single deckers Yesterday! 1677,2027 and another B7RLE
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:06 PM
Yes the 256 used to interwork with the old 259 route didn't it as that was WN operated?
The 256/7 had 3 single deckers Yesterday! 1677,2027 and another B7RLE
Correct.
Dom,Just to help you, 255/255E interwork and 256/7 interwork :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 13, 2013, 09:41:50 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:06 PM
Yes the 256 used to interwork with the old 259 route didn't it as that was WN operated?
The 256/7 had 3 single deckers Yesterday! 1677,2027 and another B7RLE
Correct.
Thought so. Saw photos of Metrobuses on there then eventually tridents.
Hybrid enviro 400 just gone past ivyhouse lane on the 126 w'ton bound this is happening more and more often now anyone else getting the same ideas
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 09:47:36 PM
Hybrid enviro 400 just gone past ivyhouse lane on the 126 w'ton bound this is happening more and more often now anyone else getting the same ideas
One hasn't appeared for a bit so quite unusual. At one point they were on several times a week in the evening
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 09:47:36 PM
Hybrid enviro 400 just gone past ivyhouse lane on the 126 w'ton bound this is happening more and more often now anyone else getting the same ideas
One hasn't appeared for a bit so quite unusual. At one point they were on several times a week in the evening
Saturday was the last time
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:06 PM
Yes the 256 used to interwork with the old 259 route didn't it as that was WN operated?
The 256/7 had 3 single deckers Yesterday! 1677,2027 and another B7RLE
the 256 also used to interwork with the 255/254(or 255E)/257 at one stage...
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:06 PM
Yes the 256 used to interwork with the old 259 route didn't it as that was WN operated?
Thats right Nathan. That was then there was the 254/255 (Both Merry Hill - Wolverhampton) and 256/259, and the 257 ran by Pensnett.
I think it was the Wolverhampton network review that started the changes. The 254 was shortened to Merry Hill to Wall Heath replacing the 259, which was then withdrawn.
I can not remember if this was the time where the 257 was taken over by Wolverhampton caused by the 256 not interworking with anything in Stourbridge.
Then the 254E was renumbered 255E to get rid of the 2 different numbers, as the 254E and 255 went the same route
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:06 PM
Yes the 256 used to interwork with the old 259 route didn't it as that was WN operated?
Thats right Nathan. That was then there was the 254/255 (Both Merry Hill - Wolverhampton) and 256/259, and the 257 ran by Pensnett.
I think it was the Wolverhampton network review that started the changes. The 254 was shortened to Merry Hill to Wall Heath replacing the 259, which was then withdrawn.
I can not remember if this was the time where the 257 was taken over by Wolverhampton caused by the 256 not interworking with anything in Stourbridge.
Then the 254E was renumbered 255E to get rid of the 2 different numbers, as the 254E and 255 went the same route
John,
I think it may have been the Dudley review?
Quote from: Winston on August 13, 2013, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:06 PM
Yes the 256 used to interwork with the old 259 route didn't it as that was WN operated?
Thats right Nathan. That was then there was the 254/255 (Both Merry Hill - Wolverhampton) and 256/259, and the 257 ran by Pensnett.
I think it was the Wolverhampton network review that started the changes. The 254 was shortened to Merry Hill to Wall Heath replacing the 259, which was then withdrawn.
I can not remember if this was the time where the 257 was taken over by Wolverhampton caused by the 256 not interworking with anything in Stourbridge.
Then the 254E was renumbered 255E to get rid of the 2 different numbers, as the 254E and 255 went the same route
John,
I think it may have been the Dudley review?
The Dudley review withdrew the 260 and replaced it with the 254/255 both going Merry Hill - Wolverhampton and 259 WallHeath to Stourbridge!
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 13, 2013, 10:35:38 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 13, 2013, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 09:41:06 PM
Yes the 256 used to interwork with the old 259 route didn't it as that was WN operated?
Thats right Nathan. That was then there was the 254/255 (Both Merry Hill - Wolverhampton) and 256/259, and the 257 ran by Pensnett.
I think it was the Wolverhampton network review that started the changes. The 254 was shortened to Merry Hill to Wall Heath replacing the 259, which was then withdrawn.
I can not remember if this was the time where the 257 was taken over by Wolverhampton caused by the 256 not interworking with anything in Stourbridge.
Then the 254E was renumbered 255E to get rid of the 2 different numbers, as the 254E and 255 went the same route
John,
I think it may have been the Dudley review?
The Dudley review withdrew the 260 and replaced it with the 254/255 both going Merry Hill - Wolverhampton and 259 WallHeath to Stourbridge!
Fair enough, ta for that!
Not sure if it is unusual but 2016 was also on the 82 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9504778464/
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 13, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 13, 2013, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 13, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
2013 on 126
WN b6 on 126
A B6LE on the 126?! That's a very good spot, indeed. Extremely rare.
Infact Ultra rare!NXWM Breaking the emission rule again!
Do B6s have BIRMINGHAM on their blinds?
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From my experience of the ones that used to be loans to BC, when B6s operated the 636 / 99, many of them only have 'Park & Ride' on their blinds dozens of times over.
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 10:38:37 PM
Not sure if it is unusual but 2016 was also on the 82 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9504778464/
I would say slightly unusual
4826 on 244 this evening, just rode it on the 21:46 out of Halesowen to Dudley.
The driver completely missed out Old Hawne Lane, because there was a match on at the football ground and he expected to be unable to get past parked cars with a great big Enviro. He instead went along Furnace Lane and Whittingham Road, then resumed normal line of route. He also said he was taking half the trees with him!
8th July 2013
4735 - 997
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9506124689/
4479 - 115
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9508920460/in/photostream/
4552 - 126
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9508920272/in/photostream/
1611 - Miller Street
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9508920818/in/photostream/
Other Operations:-
14th Oct 2011
318 GVB - 15
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9506257575/
Another decker on the 48, 4638 today. Daily occurrence now. Also 818 on the 80.
Sometime I saw 900 still Trident! >:( 900 should be full operate on E400 but I guess there are problem with in nearly future will get high mileage.
Quote from: Sivan on August 14, 2013, 09:13:07 AM
4552 - 126
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9508920272/in/photostream/
Tridents are the main allocation on the 126
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: Sivan on August 14, 2013, 09:13:07 AM
4552 - 126
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9508920272/in/photostream/
Tridents are the main allocation on the 126
Tridents have been the allocation of the 126 since 2004
4586 brokendown on the 81 in roseville merc out very quick and picked up route
4479 and other geminis ahave been daily on the 115 for years
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 10:40:40 AM
4586 brokendown on the 81 in roseville merc out very quick and picked up route
Tridents shouldn't be on the 81 in the first place due to Low hanging trees in Netherton!
Another Ultra rare spot in two days! You're on a roll Dom :)
1675 on WN 59 today.
And only 1 or 2 Spectras on there today which is quite odd as the majority of buses on 59 are usually Spectras.
Actually the most common type on the 59 today Is B5 hybrids with 4 on there with 3-4 tridents being on there aswell
4820 - 120
2078 - 246
2083 - 243/4
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 10:40:40 AM
4586 brokendown on the 81 in roseville merc out very quick and picked up route
Tridents shouldn't be on the 81 in the first place due to Low hanging trees in Netherton!
Another Ultra rare spot in two days! You're on a roll Dom :)
I'm getting quite lucky i asked the driver what happened and he said a cambelt problem out for a few days possibly weeks at least
Your next objective is to spot a hybrid on WN 62/A ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 01:00:07 PM
Your next objective is to spot a hybrid on WN 62/A ;)
Lol give me a few day oh seen 5511 on it just lol Only Joking
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 01:00:07 PM
Your next objective is to spot a hybrid on WN 62/A ;)
Lol give me a few day oh seen 5511 on it just lol Only Joking
5511 is on the 59;) (Really it is)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 01:00:07 PM
Your next objective is to spot a hybrid on WN 62/A ;)
Lol give me a few day oh seen 5511 on it just lol Only Joking
5511 is on the 59;) (Really it is)
Well he's only 3 numbers off i've got a plan to do that mission
Don't think you will find one on there anytime soon ;)
I have a plan hopefully i will get a picture very soon and you don't know what i'm going to do
4734 - 10/A (wrote it in the refurbs topic that its on the 936, my mistake)
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 14, 2013, 03:28:24 PM
4734 - 10/A (wrote it in the refurbs topic that its on the 936, my mistake)
Second time since refurb that it has been on the 10/A
4799 84
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 14, 2013, 03:35:18 PM
4799 84
How unusual are Double deckers on the 84? I'm not familiar with the route but isn't it an hourly service with a singular bus (Usually an Omnilink)?
The 84 is normally Omnilink so any decker is rare.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 14, 2013, 04:15:25 PM
The 84 is normally Omnilink so any decker is rare.
Thanks for that :)
1671 257 if nobody has reported it
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 14, 2013, 04:37:12 PM
1671 257 if nobody has reported it
Nobody has reported it before you :) Good Spot ;)
Another one
2028 255
Quote from: Sivan on August 14, 2013, 09:13:07 AM
8th July 2013
4735 - 997
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9506124689/
4479 - 115
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83825632@N07/9508920460/in/photostream/
Main allocations I believe
The Toothpaste Enviro400s, plus 4737, do regularly work the 997, nice to see them on there.
Quick question are the toothpaste enviros the ones in twm branding?
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 08:05:35 PM
Quick question are the toothpaste enviros the ones in twm branding?
Yes, found in PB
4734 - 4736 at WA :)
Quote from: Nathan on August 14, 2013, 08:07:41 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 08:05:35 PM
Quick question are the toothpaste enviros the ones in twm branding?
Yes, found in PB
4734 - 4736 at WA :)
Its 4733, 4735 and 4736 Nathan
Plus 4698, and 4718-32 still at Perry Barr
Has a Walsall Toothpaste Enviro400 appeared on the 51, as I have never seen one on there?
Quote from: John on August 14, 2013, 08:10:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 14, 2013, 08:07:41 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 08:05:35 PM
Quick question are the toothpaste enviros the ones in twm branding?
Yes, found in PB
4734 - 4736 at WA :)
Its 4733, 4735 and 4736 Nathan
Plus 4698, and 4718-32 still at Perry Barr
Has a Walsall Toothpaste Enviro400 appeared on the 51, as I have never seen one on there?
Oh yes, becuase 4734 has been re-furb =D,
If a toothpaste enviro has worked an evening or Sunday 934/935A then id imagine one would have appeared on there
I have seen them quite a few times on the 51, with one on their last saturday
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 08:05:35 PM
Quick question are the toothpaste enviros the ones in twm branding?
Yes. Its the last livery used before the red/white was introduced :)
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 14, 2013, 08:13:58 PM
I have seen them quite a few times on the 51, with one on their last saturday
Same. Seen a few on the 51, Mainly sundays though. 4735 was on a few Sundays back
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 14, 2013, 08:05:35 PM
Quick question are the toothpaste enviros the ones in twm branding?
Yes. Its the last livery used before the red/white was introduced :)
Oh cheers can u answer my personal message
4054 on wb 5, rarely a decker on there weekday evenings. John
4616 on 900 this afternoon made the increasing rare appearance of a red Trident in Coventry.
Quote from: JoNi on August 14, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
4616 on 900 this afternoon made the increasing rare appearance of a red Trident in Coventry.
Tridents seem to be appearing regually on the 900/57.
5514 on the 2225 departing 529 Off Wolvo tonight. Green Device in Walsall around now.
Quote from: DOC37V on August 14, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
5514 on the 2225 departing 529 Off Wolvo tonight. Green Device in Walsall around now.
Good Spot :) Was on the 59 earlier today
Quote from: DOC37V on August 14, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
5514 on the 2225 departing 529 Off Wolvo tonight. Green Device in Walsall around now.
Damn beat me to it! ;) Although I can add that it did at least one trip out of Wolverhampton before that as I saw it on the Willenhall Road out of Wolves around 21:10
Today,
5514 - 529
4875 - 77
4289 - 907
4305 - 935
4138 - 70A
4734 - 10A
4008 - 529
Omnicity - 67
Is 4680 on the 51 unusual?
Quote from: vinh1000 on August 15, 2013, 12:07:25 AM
Is 4680 on the 51 unusual?
Not rare but certainly uncommon. Good spot :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
Today,
5514 - 529
4875 - 77
4289 - 907
4305 - 935
4138 - 70A
4734 - 10A
4008 - 529
Omnicity - 67
These 2 are not that unusual Matt. OmniCitys on the 67 happen quite a bit, especially in the peak. There was one on there Tuesday as well.
I do agree that the 907 is mostly ran by Geminis but you still can get the 42**s on there
Quote from: John on August 15, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
Today,
5514 - 529
4875 - 77
4289 - 907
4305 - 935
4138 - 70A
4734 - 10A
4008 - 529
Omnicity - 67
These 2 are not that unusual Matt. OmniCitys on the 67 happen quite a bit, especially in the peak. There was one on there Tuesday as well.
I do agree that the 907 is mostly ran by Geminis but you still can get the 42**s on there
The 907 is Omnicity operated now, John. Every other bus on there yesterday was an Omnicity. No Geminis as far as I could see
Been operated by Omnicitys mainly since the 934 went to WA
I have noticed that the 907 has a mixed allocation. Some days you go get it ran by the OmniCitys, then on other days it is ran by Geminis and maybe one or two OnmnCitys. I did not see one OmniCity on there at all on Tuesday
4519 on 48 today, is this unusual any more?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 15, 2013, 01:42:59 PM
4519 on 48 today, is this unusual any more?
No, 4086 on it also today.
2088-53
2014 is on the 529
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9517988124/
Enviro - X96, working the B7 board possibly?
Quote from: John on August 15, 2013, 04:05:06 PM
2014 is on the 529
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9517988124/
2014 and 2071 were both on the 529 today. Rode 2014 with Matt on the 17:32 departure out of Walsall.
2014 and 2071 both on the 529 today
2011 on WN32
3 B7RLE's on the X51 this afternoon. Matt saw the first one which was 1766 then i spotted 1782 and 1767 also
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 15, 2013, 07:20:43 PM
3 B7RLE's on the X51 this afternoon. Matt saw the first one which was 1766 then i spotted 1782 and 1767 also
B7RLEs are not too unusual on the peak time extras. Three in one day is unusual though!
Quote from: John on August 15, 2013, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 15, 2013, 07:20:43 PM
3 B7RLE's on the X51 this afternoon. Matt saw the first one which was 1766 then i spotted 1782 and 1767 also
B7RLEs are not too unusual on the peak time extras. Three in one day is unusual though!
Yes i do know that B7RLE's do regually appear in the peak but 3 is odd. The B7RLE's usually do the Cannock run
7028 and 4243 on 907 today.
1900 on 10A.
4007 also on 529.
Walsall try not to allocate single deck to X51 due to overcrowding issues. And today 70a had 2 double deck on
29 1897
70A 4130
70A 4680
10/10A 1900
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 15, 2013, 07:53:48 PM
Walsall try not to allocate single deck to X51 due to overcrowding issues. And today 70a had 4680/4130 on
Tridents have become common on the 70A lately
It seems the 70A is having 2 double deck and the 89 is not getting any.
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 15, 2013, 07:58:46 PM
It seems the 70A is having 2 double deck and the 89 is not getting any.
Yes I had noticed a lack of deckers on the 8/89 lately. The 89 doesn't seem to need deckers that much though
Probably less of a need for deckers on the 8/89 in the summer, as much as i like deckers on the 70A, others would say its overkill, maybe the 10 or 301 would be better routes for them?
Residents from Field Lane/Trevor Road moan about double deckers being on there. Since school holidays double deckes aren't required as much.
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 15, 2013, 08:23:51 PM
Residents from Field Lane/Trevor Road moan about double deckers being on there. Since school holidays double deckes aren't required as much.
And then they moan when they moan their bus gets packed!
Sure i saw a trident on the 89 in Wednesfield today. Have noticed lighter loadings since the start of the holidays but you do still get packed B7RLE's (On the Wednesfield-W'ton end at least)
89 has packed !7RLEs from Walsall to Pelsall as well.
This nonsense of complaints from people living on the route, are any of them bus users or just people with naff all else to do other than moan at somebody
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 15, 2013, 08:35:26 PM
89 has packed !7RLEs from Walsall to Pelsall as well.
This nonsense of complaints from people living on the route, are any of them bus users or just people with naff all else to do other than moan at somebody
Seemed to be quiet on that end today.
everytime Ive been in WA sometime this week, the 70A has been DD operated 8) makes a nice WA change
Does the loadings & frequency justify double deckers on the 301?
If the frequency was 10 mins or less, Id say yes.
The only times I see a full single decker on the Track is as a result of delays in the evening peak where the buses 'go missing' between 5 & 530, due to delays on Bloxwich High St.
At other times, Id say no.
Packed buses on the 10/10A brownhills to walsall bound at 9am the other morning and one or two around 3pm yesterday same direction, 4734 wasnt that full so its a changeable one i guess
Scania/Enviro - 3
4033 - Broke Down on the 11A/C
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 15, 2013, 09:08:47 AM
Quote from: John on August 15, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
Today,
5514 - 529
4875 - 77
4289 - 907
4305 - 935
4138 - 70A
4734 - 10A
4008 - 529
Omnicity - 67
These 2 are not that unusual Matt. OmniCitys on the 67 happen quite a bit, especially in the peak. There was one on there Tuesday as well.
I do agree that the 907 is mostly ran by Geminis but you still can get the 42**s on there
The 907 is Omnicity operated now, John. Every other bus on there yesterday was an Omnicity. No Geminis as far as I could see
Can vary by day to day, would say Geminis are as used as much as the Scanias. Also not uncommon for ALX400s to appear (usually one nearly every day).
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2013, 08:57:11 PM
Scania/Enviro - 3
4033 - Broke Down on the 11A/C
Scania/Enviro? Do you mean there was both an E400 and an Omnilink on the 3?
There's a thread for breakdowns on the forum Nathan (Incase you weren't aware)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 15, 2013, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2013, 08:57:11 PM
Scania/Enviro - 3
4033 - Broke Down on the 11A/C
Scania/Enviro? Do you mean there was both an E400 and an Omnilink on the 3?
There's a thread for breakdowns on the forum Nathan (Incase you weren't aware)
Ye sorry, used to make a note on my Ipod but dont anymore =D so just try and remember
Nope I was aware
2070 on the 255
3602 - 48
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 15, 2013, 09:27:40 PM
2070 on the 255
Another double decker route at WN with B7RLE's today! 2014/71 were on the 529 today and as said 2070 on the 255. Prepare to see alot of Unusual Workings over the weekend due to buses being used on V festival shuttles. Usually some very odd Workings at WN during V fest shuttles
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 15, 2013, 09:49:51 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 15, 2013, 09:27:40 PM
2070 on the 255
Another double decker route at WN with B7RLE's today! 2014/71 were on the 529 today and as said 2070 on the 255. Prepare to see alot of Unusual Workings over the weekend due to buses being used on V festival shuttles. Usually some very odd Workings at WN during V fest shuttles
When 2071 rolled into Wolves around 1645 on the 529, 529 branded 4603 was on the 2 ! Not 100% but Tridents on the 2 not that common nowadays?
4778 was on the 67 around 2pm today. Do see these on it fairly regular.
Arriva 67? Ultra rare that is! (Only requires a Minibus usually an MPD) Was on the 334 around about 17:30 in Bradford Place
Yes anything other than a B7RLE are unusual (Mercs sometimes cover for the B7RLE's) so tridents are very odd let alone a 529 branded one
How about that 529 branded trident on the 2 with 2 B7RLE's on the 529! Thats WN garage for you ;)
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 15, 2013, 09:40:13 PM
3602 - 48
Super rare spot, bet this bus got crowded on parts of the journey probably a replacement bus though.
Quote from: Ash on August 15, 2013, 11:27:13 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 15, 2013, 09:40:13 PM
3602 - 48
Super rare spot, bet this bus got crowded on parts of the journey probably a replacement bus though.
Yeah, that wasn't out in the daytime. There were 2 deckers (4086 and 4519) and 3 Mercs (1653, 1694 and one UID)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 15, 2013, 11:11:42 PM
Arriva 67? Ultra rare that is! (Only requires a Minibus usually an MPD) Was on the 334 around about 17:30 in Bradford Place
No Nath, I think he means 4778 the Omnicity on the PB 67, which doesn't seem to be that unusual to me. :)
Also, NathanJC, Enviros are fairly common on the YW3. Omnilink is a good spot though!
Also, fairly boring after the above posts, but 2093 is on the 9 this evening, and 4800 (back in service after a while) is on the 120
4427 working 0945 900 from Birmingham airport-Birmingham city centre
Never thought id see the day when Tridents on the 900 arent an every day thing
2068 on WN32
2071 on WN79 (Was on the 529 yesterday so two odd workings in two days)
4818 on the X96
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 16, 2013, 09:38:28 AM
4427 working 0945 900 from Birmingham airport-Birmingham city centre
Got on 4427 when it arrived in Brum to work the 10:20 back to the Airport :)
7032 and a very smart looking 1794 on the 71A this afternoon.
Quote from: Ossie on August 16, 2013, 03:36:11 PM
7032 and a very smart looking 1794 on the 71A this afternoon.
1794 is a BY Omnilink :)
B7RLE on the 79 today. 2017 I believe. (Definitely a 201x one). Also 4531 on the WB40.
Quote from: uniquicity on August 16, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
B7RLE on the 79 today. 2017 I believe. (Definitely a 201x one). Also 4531 on the WB40.
2071 is on the 79 today
It was definitely a 201x one. Would have been on the 16.45 departure from WB.
Quote from: Rob4367 on August 16, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: Ossie on August 16, 2013, 03:36:11 PM
7032 and a very smart looking 1794 on the 71A this afternoon.
1794 is a BY Omnilink :)
I know! Freshly outshopped in red/white, and carrying the fleet number on the front, in white, directly under the nearside windscreen.
So what's it doing on a PB roster?
Quote from: Ossie on August 16, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on August 16, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: Ossie on August 16, 2013, 03:36:11 PM
7032 and a very smart looking 1794 on the 71A this afternoon.
1794 is a BY Omnilink :)
I know! Freshly outshopped in red/white, and carrying the fleet number on the front, in white, directly under the nearside window.
So what's it doing on a PB roster?
Have Perry Barr sent anything to V Festival? If so, maybe a loan over the weekend. Just a thought
Quote from: uniquicity on August 16, 2013, 05:06:56 PM
It was definitely a 201x one. Would have been on the 16.45 departure from WB.
Spotted 2018 aswell when i went to Wolverhampton a few hours ago so was that the one you saw?
2071 and 2018 were both on the 79 today
4195 on 9 unusual?
(i know theres usually a trident on a BC peak run)
John, Haven't seen any PB buses. Seen a few BC tridents (Matt has posted the fleet numbers up), WN tridents (4539,4544,4554), A president went up Wolverhampton Ring Road towards Willenhall Rd/Horseley fields and WB 4295 also worked the shuttles from Wolverhampton along with 4002 and another Spectra
Quote from: vinh1000 on August 16, 2013, 07:46:52 PM
4195 on 9 unusual?
(i know theres usually a trident on a BC peak run)
4193-4202 and 4135 are at Pensnett now. Tridents are regually popping up on the 9 especially in the afternoon
4907 on the 90 tonight. 1st one I've seen on that route.
Quote from: MK on August 16, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
4907 on the 90 tonight. 1st one I've seen on that route.
Think it is the first one on the 90. Nice Spot :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 16, 2013, 07:43:36 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on August 16, 2013, 05:06:56 PM
It was definitely a 201x one. Would have been on the 16.45 departure from WB.
Spotted 2018 aswell when i went to Wolverhampton a few hours ago so was that the one you saw?
2071 and 2018 were both on the 79 today
Yep, that was it. 2018. Good team work mate.
5512 and 5513 both on 126 today. Think at least one of them has been on all day, possibly both. Neither were on the 59. 5510 still not accounted for
4898 - 59
1915 - 3
Quote from: Nathan on August 16, 2013, 09:04:38 PM
4898 - 59
1915 - 3
I thought the spare E400s were appearing on the 59 now?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 16, 2013, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 16, 2013, 09:04:38 PM
4898 - 59
1915 - 3
I thought the spare E400s were appearing on the 59 now?
First Ive seen on the 59
Seen 2 on the 60 but not on the 59 since it started, but if spares are appearing on the Coventry then its not unusual
Quote from: Nathan on August 16, 2013, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 16, 2013, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 16, 2013, 09:04:38 PM
4898 - 59
1915 - 3
I thought the spare E400s were appearing on the 59 now?
First Ive seen on the 59
Seen 2 on the 60 but not on the 59 since it started, but if spares are appearing on the Coventry then its not unusual
Spares are supposed to go onto the 24 aren't they?
Quote from: John on August 16, 2013, 09:12:47 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 16, 2013, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 16, 2013, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 16, 2013, 09:04:38 PM
4898 - 59
1915 - 3
I thought the spare E400s were appearing on the 59 now?
First Ive seen on the 59
Seen 2 on the 60 but not on the 59 since it started, but if spares are appearing on the Coventry then its not unusual
Spares are supposed to go onto the 24 aren't they?
So if thats the case then, 4898 on the 59 is unusual :/
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 16, 2013, 08:55:40 PM
5512 and 5513 both on 126 today. Think at least one of them has been on all day, possibly both. Neither were on the 59. 5510 still not accounted for
Either in garage or on the 1. 5511 and 5514 on the 59 (Don't worry not stating these as unusual!) with 5512/3 on the 126 as matt said. Anyone seen 5510 today?
5513 on the 126
4804 heading towards Dudley on 244 about 10pm
Quote from: bususer12 on August 16, 2013, 11:35:58 PM
4804 heading towards Dudley on 244 about 10pm
Oh dear. 9pm 244 from Dudley again! Would love one to appear on a different departure as the 9pm one doesn't do any 243s.
673 on the 366 in Scutton tonight.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 16, 2013, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: MK on August 16, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
4907 on the 90 tonight. 1st one I've seen on that route.
Think it is the first one on the 90. Nice Spot :)
It went past me while I was on the 94 going down Nechells Parkway, I nearly jumped out of my seat :P
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 16, 2013, 08:55:40 PM
5512 and 5513 both on 126 today. Think at least one of them has been on all day, possibly both. Neither were on the 59. 5510 still not accounted for
5510 in the garage having a deep clean ready for a private hire Saturday for West Midlands Police at West Park.
Quote from: BN on August 17, 2013, 08:36:16 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 16, 2013, 08:55:40 PM
5512 and 5513 both on 126 today. Think at least one of them has been on all day, possibly both. Neither were on the 59. 5510 still not accounted for
5510 in the garage having a deep clean ready for a private hire Saturday for West Midlands Police at West Park.
Why are the police using it for?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 17, 2013, 09:08:28 AM
Quote from: BN on August 17, 2013, 08:36:16 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 16, 2013, 08:55:40 PM
5512 and 5513 both on 126 today. Think at least one of them has been on all day, possibly both. Neither were on the 59. 5510 still not accounted for
5510 in the garage having a deep clean ready for a private hire Saturday for West Midlands Police at West Park.
Why are the police using it for?
No usage really it just sits there a an advertising stand I believe
Sorry to drag something up from 6/7 pages ago (even though it's only three days) but... B7's on the X51 peak workings not rare???? get that bus near enough every day in the peak hours and only seen one in the past few months, is it only those few evenings I don't go that way home that they appear?
Quote from: MK on August 16, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
4907 on the 90 tonight. 1st one I've seen on that route.
Yeah was going to post that meself, saw it on the way home from work but battery died on me phone, and then forgot all about it...
BN, Whats the event at West Park then?
Its A V Music Festival trident4609 :)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 17, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
Its A V Music Festival trident4609 :)
No i know its on V festival shuttles :) Are you at V festival then?
WA Enviro 400 4873 on route 301
WA Gemini 4682 on 70A
2029 on WN59
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 17, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
WA Enviro 400 4873 on route 301
WA Gemini 4682 on 70A
Theres also a second Enviro 48** on the 301 alongside 4873, ill upload the picture later
2144 97A
819 - 80
2149 97A
2124 97P
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2013, 03:21:39 PM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 17, 2013, 02:39:29 PM
2144 97A
First B7 to do the Airport 97?
No, they have been on there before.
First one I have seen reported on the 97 for a while
4900 - 47
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2013, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 17, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
WA Enviro 400 4873 on route 301
WA Gemini 4682 on 70A
Theres also a second Enviro 48** on the 301 alongside 4873, ill upload the picture later
4873 - 301
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9532564200/
2013 on the 32/3
2143 on the 63 yesterday. First one I've ever seen on there in the whole time the B7RLEs have been at BC.
4309 on 69
1774 on 39
Quote from: lgr on August 17, 2013, 06:47:30 PM
2143 on the 63 yesterday. First one I've ever seen on there in the whole time the B7RLEs have been at BC.
Interesting. Nearly as good as 4900 on the 47 this afternoon.
2007 126
534 on the 41 (WB) not the best bus to get round the tight streets of Tantany.
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 17, 2013, 10:51:04 PM
2007 126
Damn beat me to it! Saw it leaving Dudley towards Wolverhampton just after 10pm.
Also 4009 is on the 256 this evening, on 21:15 from Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Ash on August 18, 2013, 12:04:30 AM
534 on the 41 (WB) not the best bus to get round the tight streets of Tantany.
Don't think its a problem. The old 414 used to be allocated B6LEs in 2006.
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2013, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2013, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 17, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
WA Enviro 400 4873 on route 301
WA Gemini 4682 on 70A
Theres also a second Enviro 48** on the 301 alongside 4873, ill upload the picture later
4873 - 301
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9532564200/
Thought the 301 had a low bridge
Quote from: dgss1 on August 18, 2013, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2013, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2013, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 17, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
WA Enviro 400 4873 on route 301
WA Gemini 4682 on 70A
Theres also a second Enviro 48** on the 301 alongside 4873, ill upload the picture later
4873 - 301
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9532564200/
Thought the 301 had a low bridge
No, the 301 has had plenty of decker workings before
I was going to go out for the 21:15 256 last night, given it was a Spectra i wish i had now
No low bridges on the 301 so deckers can go on there.
4680 on 997 today (Sunday).
Also, 4195 is on the 9 this evening - posted it in here as I think it's the first one on there on a Sunday.
Strangely the 6 buses on the 9 earlier were 4801/02/09/10/17/29 so I'll bet one of them swapped with 4195 onto the 246, due to an untrained driver.
Actually, just worked out 4195 has taken over the running board 4817 was on earlier - I had a feeling it would be that bus ;D more likely a breakdown than a route swap.
2020 on the 256/7 today.Saw in Dudley at 9:20 this morning
2009 on 1
Merc - 529
564 back on the 41 (WB) today, was also on there Saturday. I know 3610 replaced 3604 but must be short of alx200 at the moment. Surely a couple could be reinstated at WB as b6le's are definitely not ideal on the tight roads that services such as the 41 has to face.
3610 hasn't moved yet from the rear car park at WB.
Quote from: domino.99 on August 19, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 19, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
Merc - 529
yeah 1677 i got a crap pic on my flikr
Has it been on all day? Wouldn't have seen it as i have been to Birmingham today with Matt. Typical i go elsewhere and A good working happens!
4018 also on 529 today.
1475 on 302
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 19, 2013, 09:26:26 PM
4018 also on 529 today.
1475 on 302
Was going to include that in my post ;D
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 19, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 19, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 19, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
Merc - 529
yeah 1677 i got a crap pic on my flikr
Has it been on all day? Wouldn't have seen it as i have been to Birmingham today with Matt. Typical i go elsewhere and A good working happens!
Nathan I seen it around 1 ish, so it may have been on there from the morning or replaced a bus, not to sure,
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 19, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 19, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 19, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
Merc - 529
yeah 1677 i got a crap pic on my flikr
Has it been on all day? Wouldn't have seen it as i have been to Birmingham today with Matt. Typical i go elsewhere and A good working happens!
i saw it about 11:15
34/38-1901
313-1787
472X on the 33
1947 On 966 1331 from chelmsey wood-solihull
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 20, 2013, 10:59:20 AM
34/38-1901
313-1787
B7RLE's are on the 311/3 most/every day
4800 on the 140/241 this evening! After being on the 141 this morning.
Enviro 200 806 on 58 seen at Cherryword croft (Hobs moat) Solihull-birmingham
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 21, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
Enviro 200 806 on 58 seen at Cherryword croft (Hobs moat) Solihull-birmingham
;D ;D ;D, would love to see that at 5PM ;D ;D ;D
1896 on the WA38 due to 1477 broken down in Bradford Place. 8)
5514 on the 126 (Finally rode a Hybrid on the 126!)
4811 276 sounding bad
It was the on the 1416 ex Wollaston Junction to Dudley
2090 on the 246
822 on the 48. Change bus for 4521.
Also 1700 on the 80.
I know its not strictly unusual but others disagree;;
4144 - X64
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 21, 2013, 02:22:04 PM
It was the on the 1416 ex Wollaston Junction to Dudley
Think that running board goes out of service by the evening.
4811 has had that whistling sound for quite a while now, I actually like it a lot, plus it's a fast bus and is one for mega over-revving ;)
Also today,
4768 on 70A
1679 on 28
4021 on 529
2004 on 59
824 on 276
4801 on 140 (and 241?) - don't think it was a peak but will go out in a bit when it should go past my stop on the 241, to see if it's still on or not.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 21, 2013, 06:46:49 PM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 21, 2013, 02:22:04 PM
It was the on the 1416 ex Wollaston Junction to Dudley
Think that running board goes out of service by the evening.
4811 has had that whistling sound for quite a while now, I actually like it a lot, plus it's a fast bus and is one for mega over-revving ;)
Also today,
4768 on 70A
1679 on 28
4021 on 529
2004 on 59
824 on 276
4801 on 140 (and 241?) - don't think it was a peak but will go out in a bit when it should go past my stop on the 241, to see if it's still on or not.
You get 3 unusual working at Walsall every evening peak at the moment because the 3 X51s to Cannock all have to be Single Deck because of a diversion in Cheslyn Hay, so about 4pm all 3 running boards have there DDs swopped for SDs off other routes. A Gemini got put on the 29 this afternoon
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 21, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
I know its not strictly unusual but others disagree;;
4144 - X64
Havent seen a double on there since I got a picture of one at the Old Colemore Row Terminus, good spot id say;
WA Today feel free to correct me;
1882 - 70 - Usually on the 301 or 302 not 100%
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9562802825/
4768 - 70A
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9565598190/in/photostream/
4021 - 529
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9565596034/
4869 - 10A
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9565597330/in/photostream/
4683 - 29
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9562811457/
4870 - 302
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9565601182/
Saw these two this morning which stood out as unusual
Enviro 4811 on 276 seen in Stourbridge at 11:30
Gemini 4521 on WB48 seen in Harborne at 13:20
Quote from: JoNi on August 21, 2013, 08:27:20 PM
Saw these two this morning which stood out as unusual
Enviro 4811 on 276 seen in Stourbridge at 11:30
Gemini 4521 on WB48 seen in Harborne at 13:20
Both Slightly unusual. Not very common but not a rare sight either. But still good Spots ;)
1882 on the 70 is pretty rare,
spectras on the 529 most days
All the rest very good Nathan
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 21, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
1882 on the 70 is pretty rare,
spectras on the 529 most days
All the rest very good Nathan
I've noticed more Spectras appearing alot on the 529 over the past few weeks. 1679 was on the 28 this afternoon btw
Thanks Trident4609, don't see those routes often.
Quote from: JoNi on August 21, 2013, 08:45:59 PM
Thanks Trident4609, don't see those routes often.
Tbh the 48 isn't in my area but from what i see it is Merc operated with Geminis and Presidents putting in appearences
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 21, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
1882 on the 70 is pretty rare,
spectras on the 529 most days
All the rest very good Nathan
Thanks Ashley
Only ever seen Tridents on the 529 when Im out in WA, excpet the Merc I reported a few days ago and Johns B7 picture
Nathan, Since WN have operated the 529 from July 2011:
Tridents (Main allocation)
Spectras (Common allocation)
Excels (Now withdrawn)
Mercs
B7RLE (2014 and 2071 were both on there last week)
Volvo B5LH hybrid (Unbranded and 5515 branded have appeared)
E400H
Don't know if a WN B6 has appeared yet? (A B6 did appear when at WA)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 21, 2013, 09:22:43 PM
Nathan, Since WN have operated the 529 from July 2011:
Tridents (Main allocation)
Spectras (Common allocation)
Excels (Now withdrawn)
Mercs
B7RLE (2014 and 2071 were both on there last week)
Volvo B5LH hybrid (Unbranded and 5515 branded have appeared)
E400H
Don't know if a WN B6 has appeared yet? (A B6 did appear when at WA)
Never seen Volvo on there nor excel
When WA operated it seen a Pic on Tonys Site of an Enviro on the 529 and a picture on my flickr site of a B7RLE on the 529
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2013, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 21, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
I know its not strictly unusual but others disagree;;
4144 - X64
Havent seen a double on there since I got a picture of one at the Old Colemore Row Terminus, good spot id say;
WA Today feel free to correct me;
1882 - 70 - Usually on the 301 or 302 not 100%
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9562802825/
4768 - 70A
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9565598190/in/photostream/
4021 - 529
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9565596034/
4869 - 10A
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9565597330/in/photostream/
4683 - 29
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9562811457/
4870 - 302
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9565601182/
1892 on the 34/38 I think it was a replacement for 1477.
There were at least 2 b7rle on the 301 today and 1882 usually appears on the 311/313.
Used to love it when WA operated the 529 :) Used to operate with a lot more variety like Gemini's,Tridents,E400's,B7RLE's,B6's etc but WN usually stick with the branded tridents.
I noticed how good this year WN managed to keep Unusual Workings to a minimal during V festival. Good Work WN ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 21, 2013, 09:46:25 PM
Used to love it when WA operated the 529 :) Used to operate with a lot more variety like Gemini's,Tridents,E400's,B7RLE's,B6's etc but WN usually stick with the branded tridents.
I noticed how good this year WN managed to keep Unusual Workings to a minimal during V festival. Good Work WN ;)
In the end why did WA give the 529 to WN in the Walsall Review
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2013, 10:08:53 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 21, 2013, 09:46:25 PM
Used to love it when WA operated the 529 :) Used to operate with a lot more variety like Gemini's,Tridents,E400's,B7RLE's,B6's etc but WN usually stick with the branded tridents.
I noticed how good this year WN managed to keep Unusual Workings to a minimal during V festival. Good Work WN ;)
In the end why did WA give the 529 to WN in the Walsall Review
To make room for the 4 (404/A back then) so 20 omnilinks moved in and the 405/406/529 moved out to make space. Also WN needed to make up for the 79 being curtailed at West Bromwich so gaining the 529 helped them out.
B7RLE on the 53/289
4898 on the 22
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 21, 2013, 11:12:44 PM
B7RLE on the 53/289
4898 on the 22
4898 still on the 22/23 this evening rode it on the 21:37 23 from Colmore Row.
WA operated the 529 for many years up until july 2011 so has seen close to every vehicle type thats ever been at WA and WN garages (except solos)
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2013, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 21, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
I know its not strictly unusual but others disagree;;
4144 - X64
Havent seen a double on there since I got a picture of one at the Old Colemore Row Terminus, good spot id say;
I've seen quite a few since they moved the terminus to Corporation Street (I work very close to there so pretty much see every bus that goes down Corporation St. for hours a day) :P it's definitely not that common but it's not exceedingly rare
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2013, 09:14:19 PM
Only ever seen Tridents on the 529 when Im out in WA, excpet the Merc I reported a few days ago and Johns B7 picture
710 plus other Excels have been on the 529 as well
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/5985230566/
Has a B6LE made it onto the 529 yet?
In Walsall days B6 did appear on 529
Quote from: John on August 22, 2013, 04:20:09 AM
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2013, 09:14:19 PM
Only ever seen Tridents on the 529 when Im out in WA, excpet the Merc I reported a few days ago and Johns B7 picture
710 plus other Excels have been on the 529 as well
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/5985230566/
Has a B6LE made it onto the 529 yet?
That was what i was wondering? don't have any memory of a B6 appearing but you never know one might have slipped into a journey i didn't see
Trident on 1WN
18xx on 39
Quote from: John on August 22, 2013, 04:20:09 AM
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2013, 09:14:19 PM
Only ever seen Tridents on the 529 when Im out in WA, excpet the Merc I reported a few days ago and Johns B7 picture
710 plus other Excels have been on the 529 as well
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/5985230566/
Has a B6LE made it onto the 529 yet?
Yes, B6LE made it onto the 529 when WA operated the route.
A picture of a B6LE (565) on 529 in the old Wolverhampton Bus Station. (http://i.imgur.com/DxqgBUp.jpg)
I remember the Presidents used to be on the 529 as well, back in 2006/7. I have a picture sent from Tony ages ago, upon my request. It was from his old website.
My stalker 4742 is on the 49 today, been a while since I saw an enviro 49.
Not really rare but 4799 is on the 2
4807 on 120
1706 broken down on the 276 today opposite Ham Dingle school.
Presume it had been broken down a while as there was no driver present.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 22, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
1706 broken down on the 276 today opposite Ham Dingle school.
Presume it had been broken down a while as there was no driver present.
Think you may have the wrong thread Stu ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 22, 2013, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 22, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
1706 broken down on the 276 today opposite Ham Dingle school.
Presume it had been broken down a while as there was no driver present.
Think you may have the wrong thread Stu ;)
looked for the breakdown thread, but couldn't find it. ;)
1546 on the 222
677 on the 311/3
4807 on the 120 (Saw on the Hagley Rd)
5513 on the 126 (Was on the 59 today)
1923 on the 2/3? (Is this unusual?)
1413 - YW49
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 22, 2013, 06:38:25 PM
1546 on the 222
677 on the 311/3
4807 on the 120 (Saw on the Hagley Rd)
5513 on the 126 (Was on the 59 today)
1923 on the 2/3? (Is this unusual?)
I already posted 4807 on the 120. I was on 4825 on the 9 at the time, it had just turned on to the Hagley Road at about 16:10-16:15 I think
I'd say Omnilinks on the 2/3 are borderline unusual. They do seem to happen from time to time
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 22, 2013, 05:33:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 22, 2013, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 22, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
1706 broken down on the 276 today opposite Ham Dingle school.
Presume it had been broken down a while as there was no driver present.
Think you may have the wrong thread Stu ;)
looked for the breakdown thread, but couldn't find it. ;)
It's back in service this evening Stu, saw it leaving Wollaston Junction around 18:50
x51 branded gemini heading down Beacon road in Pheasey earlier. didn't get bus number, guessing it was on the 997.
Matt, Didn't see your post. Saw it just after you did while aboard 4561 on the 126
Quote from: wbdriver on August 22, 2013, 07:50:37 PM
x51 branded gemini heading down Beacon road in Pheasey earlier. didn't get bus number, guessing it was on the 997.
Were you driving the 5 at the time by any chance? :)
Some X51 boards have 997 for first journey than X51 all day .
A branded bus might have to go on for 1 trip .
1892 was on the 39 (22/8/13) yesterday it was on the 34/38 so seems to be moving around a bit.
Ash, the 34/38/39 unterwork hence it getting around abit
2067 on 81
Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 09:59:52 AM
2067 on 81
B7RLEs on the 81 & 82 aren't unusual any more Dom, particularly on Saturdays :) (EDIT: just realised it's not a Saturday, oops!)
4735 on the WA40
three unsual workings from me
Chelmsey Wood:
7026 71 Working 1450 To Solihull
1932 966 Working 1459 Chelmsey Wood-Erdington From Solihull
Birmingham Airport:
4619 900 Working 1527 To Coventry
got some from earlier in the month
17/08:
1888 or 1868 (couldn't see it) on the 39 (WV)
2143 on the 63
1779 on the X51 to Cannock
4242 on the 46 (PB)
18/08:
4900 on the 47
2137 on the 23
4009 on the 256/257
2068 on the 256
sorry if they have already been mentioned
Quote from: OH25 on August 23, 2013, 05:53:31 PM
got some from earlier in the month
17/08:
1888 or 1868 (couldn't see it) on the 39 (WV)
2143 on the 63
1779 on the X51 to Cannock
4242 on the 46 (PB)
18/08:
4900 on the 47
2137 on the 23
4009 on the 256/257
2068 on the 256
sorry if they have already been mentioned
Great spots, just a few comments:
Omnilinks have been appearing more frequently on the 39 lately.
Pretty sure B7RLEs are common on the Cannock extenstion of the X51.
B7RLEs are the main allocation of the 256 on a Sunday, very rare to see anything else on there.
Matt, 2068 on the 256 wasn't on a sunday. (Must have been included in wrong date) as he also posted 4009 which would be a rare sunday working
My spots from today:
4562 on WN 28
4910 on 22/3
1901 on WA 8/89
1433 on the 311/3
Yes Matt B7RLE's are usual on the cannock run atm due to a diversion meaning a restriction on Double Deckers :)
OH25, Omnilinks are becoming common on the 39. The 39 is operated by Walsall which code isWA
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 23, 2013, 04:56:07 PM
three unsual workings from me
Chelmsey Wood:
7026 71 Working 1450 To Solihull
1932 966 Working 1459 Chelmsey Wood-Erdington From Solihull
Birmingham Airport:
4619 900 Working 1527 To Coventry
I wouldn't say any of those were particularly unusual to be honest.
Quote from: JB93 on August 23, 2013, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 23, 2013, 04:56:07 PM
three unsual workings from me
Chelmsey Wood:
7026 71 Working 1450 To Solihull
1932 966 Working 1459 Chelmsey Wood-Erdington From Solihull
Birmingham Airport:
4619 900 Working 1527 To Coventry
I wouldn't say any of those were particularly unusual to be honest.
Isn't 7026 a PB bus though?
Quote from: trident4370 on August 23, 2013, 08:59:06 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 23, 2013, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 23, 2013, 04:56:07 PM
three unsual workings from me
Chelmsey Wood:
7026 71 Working 1450 To Solihull
1932 966 Working 1459 Chelmsey Wood-Erdington From Solihull
Birmingham Airport:
4619 900 Working 1527 To Coventry
I wouldn't say any of those were particularly unusual to be honest.
Isn't 7026 a PB bus though?
It is, it must be on loan. Still, an Omnilink on the 71 wouldn't really make your head turn.
4197 on the 141 tonight ;)
Quote from: pensnettdriver on August 23, 2013, 09:20:48 PM
4197 on the 141 tonight ;)
It was parked in the depot at 4.45pm
Quote from: pensnettdriver on August 23, 2013, 09:20:48 PM
4197 on the 141 tonight ;)
Matt will be straight out the door to catch it ;)
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 23, 2013, 09:23:51 AM
Ash, the 34/38/39 unterwork hence it getting around abit
This was 2 different days and the 34 and 38 interwork and I think the 39 is kept separate.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 23, 2013, 07:11:49 PM
Matt, 2068 on the 256 wasn't on a sunday. (Must have been included in wrong date) as he also posted 4009 which would be a rare sunday working
My spots from today:
4562 on WN 28
4910 on 22/3
1901 on WA 8/89
1433 on the 311/3
Yes Matt B7RLE's are usual on the cannock run atm due to a diversion meaning a restriction on Double Deckers :)
OH25, Omnilinks are becoming common on the 39. The 39 is operated by Walsall which code isWA
I put WV because that's where I saw the bus but I realise it is operated by Walsall :)
didn't know about the X51
The diversion on the X51 is northbound only, so evening peak only. Found that out when I noticed a Decker on the morning run through from Cannock yesterday just after I misread Tony's post somewhere on this thread about it, originally thought it was both directions
2081 on the 53/289 yesterday, forgot to post it.
7030 on the 654 very rare
2140 24
1651 46
Quote from: Ash on August 24, 2013, 12:31:40 PM
7030 on the 654 very rare
Oh My God ;D good spot
4863 - 10
4330 - 69
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Ash on August 24, 2013, 12:31:40 PM
7030 on the 654 very rare
Oh My God ;D good spot
4863 - 10
I was on the 10 for 3 hours never saw 4863. Was it 4683? Double decks on
4126
4128
4683
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2013, 03:40:26 PM
4330 - 69
Quite common to see a Trident on the 69 on a saturday Nathan. Saw it twice today
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 24, 2013, 06:07:19 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Ash on August 24, 2013, 12:31:40 PM
7030 on the 654 very rare
Oh My God ;D good spot
4863 - 10
I was on the 10 for 3 hours never saw 4863. Was it 4683? Double decks on
4126
4128
4683
Definetley 4863 as I was thinking to myself I recently got a picture of it on the 29 so dont need a picture of it, although would be good as not got a pic of a Gemini on the 10 but by the time Id made a decision the 19 turned up an I had to go ;D
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2013, 03:40:26 PM
4330 - 69
Quite common to see a Trident on the 69 on a saturday Nathan. Saw it twice today
Never seen a Trident on the 69 before Nathan (: , only seen B10L's, but thanks I know now for next time
Nathan, Its B10L's and B7RLE's Mon-Fri and B10's, B7's and tridents
4017 and 4021 on WN 28 today :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
4017 and 4021 on WN 28 today :)
4002 also on 28. Saw all 3 Spectras on there, the 4th bus was a B6, think 638 but not sure
4001 was on the 82 again today, saw it coming into Wolverhampton around 16:30.
4828 is on an all night 140/241 board! :) Should do the following departures, if anyone wants a ride. I'm planning to do the 22:15 from Dudley
20:15 241 from Halesowen
20:45 140 from Dudley
21:30 140 from Birmingham
22:15 241 from Dudley
23:15 241 from Halesowen
23:45 140E from Dudley (to Blackheath)
Saw 4001 earlier on the 82. Posted it in WN garage thread.
4002 was on another route earlier!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:18:56 PM
Saw 4001 earlier on the 81. Posted it in WN garage thread.
4002 was on another route earlier!
4001 on the 81? Now that would be unusual. ;)
What route was 4002 on earlier?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 24, 2013, 08:24:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:18:56 PM
Saw 4001 earlier on the 81. Posted it in WN garage thread.
4002 was on another route earlier!
4001 on the 81? Now that would be unusual. ;)
What route was 4002 on earlier?
I meant 82 of course!
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2013, 07:13:33 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 24, 2013, 06:07:19 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Ash on August 24, 2013, 12:31:40 PM
7030 on the 654 very rare
Oh My God ;D good spot
4863 - 10
I was on the 10 for 3 hours never saw 4863. Was it 4683? Double decks on
4126
4128
4683
Definetley 4863 as I was thinking to myself I recently got a picture of it on the 29 so dont need a picture of it, although would be good as not got a pic of a Gemini on the 10 but by the time Id made a decision the 19 turned up an I had to go ;D
4863 is 51 Route Branded
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 24, 2013, 03:40:26 PM
4330 - 69
Quite common to see a Trident on the 69 on a saturday Nathan. Saw it twice today
Never seen a Trident on the 69 before Nathan (: , only seen B10L's, but thanks I know now for next time
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:25:01 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 24, 2013, 08:24:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:18:56 PM
Saw 4001 earlier on the 81. Posted it in WN garage thread.
4002 was on another route earlier!
4001 on the 81? Now that would be unusual. ;)
What route was 4002 on earlier?
I meant 82 of course!
Yes I know, I was joking.
Where did you see 4002?
4683 isn't branded is it? Sure i saw it unbranded
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:27:18 PM
4683 isn't branded is it? Sure i saw it unbranded
He said 4863, not 4683. 4683 is an unbranded Gemini, 4863 is a 51-branded E400
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 24, 2013, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:27:18 PM
4683 isn't branded is it? Sure i saw it unbranded
He said 4863, not 4683. 4683 is an unbranded Gemini, 4863 is a 51-branded E400
Yes i am aware already! My eyes are playing me up ;)
Matt, There are only 3 buses were on the 28, not 4. What i gather is 4021 was on the 28, 4009 broke down on the 59, 4021 went onto the 59 and 638 went onto a 28
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Matt, There are only 3 buses were on the 28, not 4. What i gather is 4021 was on the 28, 4009 broke down on the 59, 4021 went onto the 59 and 638 went onto a 28
Oops, forgot there were only 3 ;) yes that's most likely the case, 4002 4017 and 4021 started the day on the 28. 638 was probably spare in the garage so rather than put a B6 on the 59, they put 638 on the 28 and moved 4021 onto the 59
Probably the case then :) There were 5 tridents on thr 59 today which is more than usual (Usually 2-3 on there now the Spectras have took over as main allocation along with B5's and some tridents
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
4017 and 4021 on WN 28 today :)
4022 too...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9586973784/
4779 at chelmsey wood seen 1053 operating 94 to birmingham
Yesterday, two early Enviros on the 51. 4764 & 4767, not sure if these are rare..
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 25, 2013, 12:20:12 PM
Yesterday, two early Enviros on the 51. 4764 & 4767, not sure if these are rare..
Not really rare or that unusual really. I would say it is sligtly unusual as the majority of buses on the 51 are 61 plate E400's
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
Well, they do need buses for the 400 today (and tomorrow), I suppose they'd prefer to use Geminis over the ALX400 B7s!
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
Well, they do need buses for the 400 today (and tomorrow), I suppose they'd prefer to use Geminis over the ALX400 B7s!
Is the 400 shuttle service usually fully Gemini or does it use ALX400 or Presidents?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 25, 2013, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
Well, they do need buses for the 400 today (and tomorrow), I suppose they'd prefer to use Geminis over the ALX400 B7s!
Is the 400 shuttle service usually fully Gemini or does it use ALX400 or Presidents?
The last time I was in West Bromwich (regularly) on a Sunday, the 400 used Metrobuses! ;)
To be honest I don't know what they normally use, I was only responding to Matt's statement about 'no excuse' for ALX400 B7 on the 82/87 today.
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
Well, they do need buses for the 400 today (and tomorrow), I suppose they'd prefer to use Geminis over the ALX400 B7s!
So they use the branded Geminis on this shuttle service?..
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 25, 2013, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
Well, they do need buses for the 400 today (and tomorrow), I suppose they'd prefer to use Geminis over the ALX400 B7s!
Is the 400 shuttle service usually fully Gemini or does it use ALX400 or Presidents?
The last time I was in West Bromwich (regularly) on a Sunday, the 400 used Metrobuses! ;)
To be honest I don't know what they normally use, I was only responding to Matt's statement about 'no excuse' for ALX400 B7 on the 82/87 today.
If a change bus is needed at short notice, you take the easiest bus to get at so you can keep the service running, you don't waste time digging a branded Gemini out of some hidden corner of the garage
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 24, 2013, 11:38:36 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
4017 and 4021 on WN 28 today :)
4022 too...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9586973784/
I seen 4017 on the 28 yesterday but Didn't think it was unusual
Quote from: Nathan on August 25, 2013, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 24, 2013, 11:38:36 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
4017 and 4021 on WN 28 today :)
4022 too...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9586973784/
I seen 4017 on the 28 yesterday but Didn't think it was unusual
One Spectra being on there isn't really unusual but 3 or 4 were on there yesterday
In fact 5 different buses were sighted on the 28 yesterday, which is strange given the 28 has a PVR of 3
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 25, 2013, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
Well, they do need buses for the 400 today (and tomorrow), I suppose they'd prefer to use Geminis over the ALX400 B7s!
Is the 400 shuttle service usually fully Gemini or does it use ALX400 or Presidents?
Last year it was a right mixture, just depends what they can spare really
4632 on 900 today, assume it was a case of not enough Enviros parked at the front of the garage?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
This isn't unheard of. There was one on there last Sunday
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 25, 2013, 11:40:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
4296 on the 82/87 today. No excuse for an ALX400 on there on a Sunday
This isn't unheard of. There was one on there last Sunday
4297 was on the 5, there would be plenty of presidents to use instead with the other two buses being 4084/5.
It's the case of how the buses are parked . On Sundays probably 60 per cent of fleet is in garage.
If a branded president is 5 buses behind from the front they will allocate the nearest bus to the exit.
Not spending 30 mins trying to get it out.
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 26, 2013, 08:54:56 AM
It's the case of how the buses are parked . On Sundays probably 60 per cent of fleet is in garage.
If a branded president is 5 buses behind from the front they will allocate the nearest bus to the exit.
Not spending 30 mins trying to get it out.
Yes I know how it works. 90% of unusual workings are as a result of this, particularly buses departing depot early weekday mornings when most of the fleet is still there
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 26, 2013, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 26, 2013, 08:54:56 AM
It's the case of how the buses are parked . On Sundays probably 60 per cent of fleet is in garage.
If a branded president is 5 buses behind from the front they will allocate the nearest bus to the exit.
Not spending 30 mins trying to get it out.
Yes I know how it works. 90% of unusual workings are as a result of this, particularly buses departing depot early weekday mornings when most of the fleet is still there
And other factors such as a breakdown can cause an unusual working
PB Omnilink 7020 back home in Acocks Green, on the 1 today. 8)
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
PB Omnilink 7020 back home in Acocks Green, on the 1 today. 8)
I wonder if 7019/7020 could be transferring back to AG ex PB now PB had had all the ex NXC Omnilink?
PB have had 15 x Omnilinks in, with 13 x B10L to replace & 1836 went to BY
Quote from: Winston on August 26, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
PB Omnilink 7020 back home in Acocks Green, on the 1 today. 8)
I wonder if 7019/7020 could be transferring back to AG ex PB now PB had had all the ex NXC Omnilink?
PB have had 15 x Omnilinks in, with 13 x B10L to replace & 1836 went to BY
Why do AG need more buses?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on August 26, 2013, 12:54:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 26, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
PB Omnilink 7020 back home in Acocks Green, on the 1 today. 8)
I wonder if 7019/7020 could be transferring back to AG ex PB now PB had had all the ex NXC Omnilink?
PB have had 15 x Omnilinks in, with 13 x B10L to replace & 1836 went to BY
Why do AG need more buses?
Good question, with the curtailment of the 1 they should need a couple less, not more.
7020 is probably just on loan for a bit, maybe another bus is off the road for some reason.
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2013, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on August 26, 2013, 12:54:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 26, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
PB Omnilink 7020 back home in Acocks Green, on the 1 today. 8)
I wonder if 7019/7020 could be transferring back to AG ex PB now PB had had all the ex NXC Omnilink?
PB have had 15 x Omnilinks in, with 13 x B10L to replace & 1836 went to BY
Why do AG need more buses?
Good question, with the curtailment of the 1 they should need a couple less, not more.
7020 is probably just on loan for a bit, maybe another bus is off the road for some reason.
Hasn't 7020 been seen a couple of times at AG now? They shouldn't really be needing to loan buses during the reduced pvr/summer timetable period
Not highly unususl but 4683 is on the 51
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 26, 2013, 08:03:09 PM
Not highly unususl but 4683 is on the 51
Does the 51/934 still interwork sunday
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 26, 2013, 08:03:09 PM
Not highly unususl but 4683 is on the 51
Does the 51/934 still interwork sunday
X51,934E and 935A interwork sunday daytime, 51,934E and 935A interwork Sunday evenings
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 26, 2013, 08:45:32 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 26, 2013, 08:03:09 PM
Not highly unususl but 4683 is on the 51
Does the 51/934 still interwork sunday
X51,934E and 935A interwork sunday daytime, 51,934E and 935A interwork Sunday evenings
I didnt know that the 934/935A/51 interworked eveings ? I thought 1 or 2 journeys went on the 51
4115 - 40
7025 on the 94 this afternoon. The ticket machine confusing lots of people ;D
4736 on the 77 today
4736 on the 77
2016 on the 59
4115 on the 40
Quote from: Gareth on August 27, 2013, 04:07:00 PM
7025 on the 94 this afternoon. The ticket machine confusing lots of people ;D
Ticket machine must be a headache for driver
2018 - 59 (WN)
4736 - 77
1433 - 302
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9606038777/
1868 - 654
seen at chelmsey wood dismorning
Scania Omnilink 7020 Working 72 1013 From Chelmsey Wood-Solihull From Birmingham
4195 X96
4115 on the 40 (WB)
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 27, 2013, 04:38:55 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 27, 2013, 04:07:00 PM
7025 on the 94 this afternoon. The ticket machine confusing lots of people ;D
Ticket machine must be a headache for driver
Why?
I don't get it?
4829 on 140/241 today. Will do the last 241 from Halesowen + 140E again! Always seems to be that running board when an Enviro400 is on there
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 27, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 27, 2013, 04:38:55 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 27, 2013, 04:07:00 PM
7025 on the 94 this afternoon. The ticket machine confusing lots of people ;D
Ticket machine must be a headache for driver
Why?
I don't get it?
If i'm right, 7025 has one of the Wayfarer TGX200?* Where the ticket prints from the machine...
(*Not sure what model, please correct me. (Saw this bus on the 46 once))
Quote from: clayderman on August 27, 2013, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 27, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 27, 2013, 04:38:55 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 27, 2013, 04:07:00 PM
7025 on the 94 this afternoon. The ticket machine confusing lots of people ;D
Ticket machine must be a headache for driver
Why?
I don't get it?
If i'm right, 7025 has one of the Wayfarer TGX200?* Where the ticket prints from the machine...
(*Not sure what model, please correct me. (Saw this bus on the 46 once))
yes, all of 7021-33 have the other type of ticket machine which confuses people when they get onto unusual routes
Is there a gap so passengers can take a ticket from the wayfarer itself?
5*9 - 46, may have been 569. An Eclipse Urban & Omnilink (18*4) - X51
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 27, 2013, 08:15:24 PM
5*9 - 46, may have been 569. An Eclipse Urban & Omnilink (18*4) - X51
Was that on the Cannock Run ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 27, 2013, 08:30:01 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 27, 2013, 08:15:24 PM
5*9 - 46, may have been 569. An Eclipse Urban & Omnilink (18*4) - X51
Was that on the Cannock Run ?
The Eclipse was, unsure about the Omnilink, only saw the back displaying 'X51'
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 27, 2013, 08:36:09 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 27, 2013, 08:30:01 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 27, 2013, 08:15:24 PM
5*9 - 46, may have been 569. An Eclipse Urban & Omnilink (18*4) - X51
Was that on the Cannock Run ?
The Eclipse was, unsure about the Omnilink, only saw the back displaying 'X51'
someone on here said singles are needed on the X51 because of something in Cheslyn Hay
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
I thought someone had mentioned it
and Yes nathan i think E200's are the allocation alongside something else
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
Not really Nathan, they appear on there a bit more often now than they used to, although when the Sandwell Bus Review first took place, the E200s were originally going to be used on the 47/A.
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
Not really Nathan, they appear on there a bit more often now than they used to, although when the Sandwell Bus Review first took place, the E200s were originally going to be used on the 47/A.
Stu I though thats were they were placed, as well as being on the 45/46 ???, so if they dont appear on the 47/A were do they appear other than 45/46
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 27, 2013, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 27, 2013, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
Not really Nathan, they appear on there a bit more often now than they used to, although when the Sandwell Bus Review first took place, the E200s were originally going to be used on the 47/A.
Stu I though thats were they were placed, as well as being on the 45/46 ???, so if they dont appear on the 47/A were do they appear other than 45/46
Seen them regularly on the 40, they don't appear so regularly on the 45/6 anymore. so it seems to be more 40 & 47/A.
E200s appear primarily on the 40 & 46, and occasionally on the 47/A
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 27, 2013, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
Not really Nathan, they appear on there a bit more often now than they used to, although when the Sandwell Bus Review first took place, the E200s were originally going to be used on the 47/A.
Stu I though thats were they were placed, as well as being on the 45/46 ???, so if they dont appear on the 47/A were do they appear other than 45/46
Seen them regularly on the 40, they don't appear so regularly on the 45/6 anymore. so it seems to be more 40 & 47/A.
So what does the 45/46 is it B6LE's ? sorry I havent been to WB in a while
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
Not really Nathan, they appear on there a bit more often now than they used to, although when the Sandwell Bus Review first took place, the E200s were originally going to be used on the 47/A.
Stu I though thats were they were placed, as well as being on the 45/46 ???, so if they dont appear on the 47/A were do they appear other than 45/46
Seen them regularly on the 40, they don't appear so regularly on the 45/6 anymore. so it seems to be more 40 & 47/A.
So what does the 45/46 is it B6LE's ? sorry I havent been to WB in a while
The 46 gets solid E200s and the 45 gets Mercs (and I think the odd B6)
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7025 on the 94 this afternoon. The ticket machine confusing lots of people ;D
Ticket machine must be a headache for driver
Why?
I don't get it?
If i'm right, 7025 has one of the Wayfarer TGX200?* Where the ticket prints from the machine...
(*Not sure what model, please correct me. (Saw this bus on the 46 once))
yes, all of 7021-33 have the other type of ticket machine which confuses people when they get onto unusual routes
Whats even funnier is when an ex Cov Omnilink or 1905-1907 appear on the 28, some people do the reverse and expect the ticket to come from where it does on 7021-7033
Oh ok thanks for the replies. I knew they were originally for the 47/A but they usually go onto the 40 (Although 4115 was on there today!) and 46. Saw a E200 on the 45 in Walsall today
Quote from: the #trainbasher on August 27, 2013, 05:24:57 PM
4195 X96
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9611381386/
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 09:48:17 PM
Oh ok thanks for the replies. I knew they were originally for the 47/A but they usually go onto the 40 (Although 4115 was on there today!) and 46. Saw a E200 on the 45 in Walsall today
The final running board of the day out the garage on the 40 can get a mixture of buses put onto it and sometimes will even see an alx200 so guess all that was left in the garage was a president so got used. An enviro 200 was on the 45 today, there not uncommon but the main allocation are the mercs and the normally 1 b6le daily. The enviro 200 usually stick to the 40/46 but can appear on the 42/43/45/47/A.
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
Not really Nathan, they appear on there a bit more often now than they used to, although when the Sandwell Bus Review first took place, the E200s were originally going to be used on the 47/A.
Stu I though thats were they were placed, as well as being on the 45/46 ???, so if they dont appear on the 47/A were do they appear other than 45/46
Seen them regularly on the 40, they don't appear so regularly on the 45/6 anymore. so it seems to be more 40 & 47/A.
So what does the 45/46 is it B6LE's ? sorry I havent been to WB in a while
The 46 gets solid E200s and the 45 gets Mercs (and I think the odd B6)
569 (sure it was 569) was on the 46 today
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4195 X96
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9611381386/
This was a little weird actually because 4195 came onto the X96 mid-journey this afternoon at Merry Hill. It replaced 2095 which swapped onto a 141 and did the 1604 into Birmingham
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
822 was also on the 47/47A
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Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 27, 2013, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 27, 2013, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 27, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Yes Nathan there is a diversion on the X51 in cheslyn hay (Towards cannock only) meaning double deckers can't be used.
As matt reported earlier we caught 4829 on the 241 this afternoon. We caught Manor Way/Cloister Drive so we saw two E400's heading down Manor Way so it looked like two 9's were coming but the one behind was the 241.
Are E200's unusual on the 47/A as i saw 820 on there today?
Saw 4115 on the 40 in West Brom today (As already reported)
Not really Nathan, they appear on there a bit more often now than they used to, although when the Sandwell Bus Review first took place, the E200s were originally going to be used on the 47/A.
Stu I though thats were they were placed, as well as being on the 45/46 ???, so if they dont appear on the 47/A were do they appear other than 45/46
Seen them regularly on the 40, they don't appear so regularly on the 45/6 anymore. so it seems to be more 40 & 47/A.
So what does the 45/46 is it B6LE's ? sorry I havent been to WB in a while
The 46 gets solid E200s and the 45 gets Mercs (and I think the odd B6)
569 (sure it was 569) was on the 46 today
I see, it is very rare to get anything other than E200s on the 46... On the Londonderry - Scott Arms journeys anyway
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 27, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
Is there a gap so passengers can take a ticket from the wayfarer itself?
Yes there is, buts its very small. Smart card Passes also have to be placed on the wayfarer too.
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Quote from: the #trainbasher on August 27, 2013, 05:24:57 PM
4195 X96
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9611381386/
This was a little weird actually because 4195 came onto the X96 mid-journey this afternoon at Merry Hill. It replaced 2095 which swapped onto a 141 and did the 1604 into Birmingham
4195 was originally on the 141 earlier but was swapped with 2095 from the X96 due to 141 driver not being type-trained with Tridents. 2095 stayed on right to the end doing the 23:00 141E to Bearwood from Merry Hill
Just wondering does anyone have a pic of a b7rle on the 243/4 cause i could use one today cheers
Quote from: domino.99 on August 28, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Just wondering does anyone have a pic of a b7rle on the 243/4 cause i could use one today cheers
Old one but: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8574671995/
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 28, 2013, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: domino.99 on August 28, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Just wondering does anyone have a pic of a b7rle on the 243/4 cause i could use one today cheers
Old one but: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8574671995/
Brilliant thanks matt do you know all the via it shows
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Quote from: domino.99 on August 28, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Just wondering does anyone have a pic of a b7rle on the 243/4 cause i could use one today cheers
Old one but: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8574671995/
Brilliant thanks matt do you know all the via it shows
I can't remember but next Sunday (when the 243/4 should be fully B7RLE) I will have a look for you!
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Quote from: domino.99 on August 28, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Just wondering does anyone have a pic of a b7rle on the 243/4 cause i could use one today cheers
Old one but: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8574671995/
Brilliant thanks matt do you know all the via it shows
I can't remember but next Sunday (when the 243/4 should be fully B7RLE) I will have a look for you!
Cheers mate can u give me a bit of a hand with the route it goes on cause im driving it today on the nwm live travel map wich is summet i doany directions would be extremly helpful cause i dont want to go the wrong way and be late for the 243 and return routes cause im working a split
Can't see that its been posted yet but 4135 is on the 241/140. I saw 4812 on the X96 as well if a decker is unusual on there?
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Quote from: domino.99 on August 28, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Just wondering does anyone have a pic of a b7rle on the 243/4 cause i could use one today cheers
Old one but: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8574671995/
Brilliant thanks matt do you know all the via it shows
I can't remember but next Sunday (when the 243/4 should be fully B7RLE) I will have a look for you!
Cheers mate can u give me a bit of a hand with the route it goes on cause im driving it today on the nwm live travel map wich is summet i doany directions would be extremly helpful cause i dont want to go the wrong way and be late for the 243 and return routes cause im working a split
What the hell? I thought you were 12?
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Quote from: domino.99 on August 28, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Just wondering does anyone have a pic of a b7rle on the 243/4 cause i could use one today cheers
Old one but: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8574671995/
Brilliant thanks matt do you know all the via it shows
I can't remember but next Sunday (when the 243/4 should be fully B7RLE) I will have a look for you!
Cheers mate can u give me a bit of a hand with the route it goes on cause im driving it today on the nwm live travel map wich is summet i doany directions would be extremly helpful cause i dont want to go the wrong way and be late for the 243 and return routes cause im working a split
What the hell? I thought you were 12?
1433 on the 70A
Nathan, 1433 on the 70A is common (Main allocation alongside tridents and B7RLE's)
4681 was on WA29 today
Omnilinks seem to be quite regular on the 654 in case anyone else notices one / wants to see one. Saw it twice today, and even just seeing the number on a larger bus is weird, let alone the bus on the route itself
Indeed they stick out like a sore thumb, nice change from Solos though
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 27, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
Is there a gap so passengers can take a ticket from the wayfarer itself?
Of course, like there is with ALX400's from PB
Quote from: N94 on August 28, 2013, 06:07:15 PM
Can't see that its been posted yet but 4135 is on the 241/140. I saw 4812 on the X96 as well if a decker is unusual on there?
First (and worst) Trident on the 140/241! And I missed it >:( when did you see this, and where?
The Tridents seemed to be getting about today with 4195 on the 141 and 4200 on the 9, although this was subbed off for 4817 last thing tonight
Quote from: Kevin on August 28, 2013, 09:20:57 PM
Omnilinks seem to be quite regular on the 654 in case anyone else notices one / wants to see one. Saw it twice today, and even just seeing the number on a larger bus is weird, let alone the bus on the route itself
Can an Omilink manuvour around the route prety big compared to solo.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 29, 2013, 01:23:49 AM
Quote from: N94 on August 28, 2013, 06:07:15 PM
Can't see that its been posted yet but 4135 is on the 241/140. I saw 4812 on the X96 as well if a decker is unusual on there?
First (and worst) Trident on the 140/241! And I missed it >:( when did you see this, and where?
The Tridents seemed to be getting about today with 4195 on the 141 and 4200 on the 9, although this was subbed off for 4817 last thing tonight
I saw it on the 140 about 1:20ish heading towards Birmingham on Dudley Road, then caught it at 5pm on the 241 from Halesowen. It seemed to rev quite high compared to the other tridents at PE, particularly coming out of Halesowen bus station, although I suppose that could have been down to the way it was driven
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Quote from: Kevin on August 28, 2013, 09:20:57 PM
Omnilinks seem to be quite regular on the 654 in case anyone else notices one / wants to see one. Saw it twice today, and even just seeing the number on a larger bus is weird, let alone the bus on the route itself
Can an Omilink manuvour around the route prety big compared to solo.
Haven't seen one on the smaller parts of the route yet but from memory I cant think of any part that would pose too much of a problem
E200 - 41/44
636 route 81 13:30 from w'ton (will depart merry hill at 14:45)
Quote from: domino.99 on August 29, 2013, 02:09:19 PM
636 route 81 13:30 from w'ton (will depart merry hill at 14:45)
Did you see it in Wolverhampton? Was in Wolverhampton at that exact time.
it went passed my house but i know the timetable that well it would of departed at 13:30 and depart merry hill at 14:45 (fyi it was 10 mins late so probs 14:55 departure from merry hill)
4002 27 left Dudley 1437
Quote from: the #trainbasher on August 29, 2013, 02:40:06 PM
4002 27 left Dudley 1437
Best Spectra in the fleet! Spectras aren't that uncommon on the 27/A though ;)
Quote from: the #trainbasher on August 29, 2013, 02:40:06 PM
4002 27 left Dudley 1437
What? Spotted it in Darlaston around about 15:30 on the 79! Sure it was the 27? Definetley 4002 i saw. Also saw it on the 79 at Lunchtime so sure it wasn't 4022 you saw?
Heard that 4135 broke down on the 140/241 yesterday and had to go back to garage, why am I not surprised...
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 29, 2013, 05:34:10 PM
Heard that 4135 broke down on the 140/241 yesterday and had to go back to garage, why am I not surprised...
I am surprised, surprised it keeps going as long as it does.
Perhaps it will go for refurbishment shortly, the new paint & seat covers may make it more reliable, NOT!!
817 on the 41/44.
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 29, 2013, 05:34:10 PM
Heard that 4135 broke down on the 140/241 yesterday and had to go back to garage, why am I not surprised...
I am surprised, surprised it keeps going as long as it does.
Perhaps it will go for refurbishment shortly, the new paint & seat covers may make it more reliable, NOT!!
I was actually speaking to a driver on the 244 yesterday and he agreed 4135 is a bad one. I was glad when i got rid of it from WN. Last route i rode it on was the 126 and its slower than say 4571 which i would say is the slowest WN trident alongside 4603 and 4549
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 29, 2013, 06:06:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 29, 2013, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 29, 2013, 05:34:10 PM
Heard that 4135 broke down on the 140/241 yesterday and had to go back to garage, why am I not surprised...
I am surprised, surprised it keeps going as long as it does.
Perhaps it will go for refurbishment shortly, the new paint & seat covers may make it more reliable, NOT!!
I was actually speaking to a driver on the 244 yesterday and he agreed 4135 is a bad one. I was glad when i got rid of it from WN. Last route i rode it on was the 126 and its slower than say 4571 which i would say is the slowest WN trident alongside 4603 and 4549
Only been on it once and took an instant dislike, seemed very slow & noisy. just like 1645!
Not highly unusual but slightly:
626 on WN32/3
4765 on WA51
Sorry I meant 4005 on the 27 not 4002. Bloody android keyboard.
Everytime I'm on the 27 or in Dudley/Wolverhampton I've always seen tridents
Quote from: the #trainbasher on August 29, 2013, 06:48:08 PM
Sorry I meant 4005 on the 27 not 4002. Bloody android keyboard.
Everytime I'm on the 27 or in Dudley/Wolverhampton I've always seen tridents
Only ever seen 2/3 doubles on the 27/27A theyve always been Spectra's not seen a trident
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 29, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: the #trainbasher on August 29, 2013, 06:48:08 PM
Sorry I meant 4005 on the 27 not 4002. Bloody android keyboard.
Everytime I'm on the 27 or in Dudley/Wolverhampton I've always seen tridents
Only ever seen 2/3 doubles on the 27/27A theyve always been Spectra's not seen a trident
Tridents are the most common allocation, with B6s and Mercs and the odd Spectra.
Matt, The allocation is B6's on the 27 and Tridents on the 27A Mon-Sat. A merc hasn't appeared for weeks.
They sometimes appear in the evening due to interworking with the 25 but apart from that they don't appear much anymore. Same story with Spectras.
Probably on there due to two tridents on the 11 (First time i have seen a trident on the 11 in a few weeks).
Btw 4609 was on the 25 last night, 8pm departure from Wolverhampton. So now you know the running board you caught with 4609 on the 27A earlier is the one that does the 8pm 25.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 29, 2013, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 29, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: the #trainbasher on August 29, 2013, 06:48:08 PM
Sorry I meant 4005 on the 27 not 4002. Bloody android keyboard.
Everytime I'm on the 27 or in Dudley/Wolverhampton I've always seen tridents
Only ever seen 2/3 doubles on the 27/27A theyve always been Spectra's not seen a trident
Tridents are the most common allocation, with B6s and Mercs and the odd Spectra.
If thats the case when Im in Wolverhampton Tomorrow I should see a Trident appear on the 27/A (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 29, 2013, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 29, 2013, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 29, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: the #trainbasher on August 29, 2013, 06:48:08 PM
Sorry I meant 4005 on the 27 not 4002. Bloody android keyboard.
Everytime I'm on the 27 or in Dudley/Wolverhampton I've always seen tridents
Only ever seen 2/3 doubles on the 27/27A theyve always been Spectra's not seen a trident
Tridents are the most common allocation, with B6s and Mercs and the odd Spectra.
If thats the case when Im in Wolverhampton Tomorrow I should see a Trident appear on the 27/A (:
Should do ;) knowing Wolverhampton though...
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 29, 2013, 07:01:32 PM
Btw 4609 was on the 25 last night, 8pm departure from Wolverhampton. So now you know the running board you caught with 4609 on the 27A earlier is the one that does the 8pm 25.
Think the board is 27/02 matt :) Did the 10:05 27A from Dudley and presumably 12:05,14:05,16:05 ex WN and so on. Think there is a 27 journey from Dudley at 19:10 so did that journey then 20:00 from WN bus station then 22:15 27 from Wolverhampton and last 27 from Dudley at 23:10
UID Enviro200 on the daytime 49 today. Also 1666 on the 80.
673 on the 302
1893 on WA69
Unsure on all the following,
4853 on 905
4777 on 115
1874 on 7
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 30, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
Unsure on all the following,
4853 on 905
4777 on 115
1874 on 7
I would say not very unusual but still not common either
1897 on the X51 to Cannock normally a B7rle working due to the current route into Cannock.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 30, 2013, 07:27:21 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 30, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
Unsure on all the following,
4853 on 905
4777 on 115
1874 on 7
I would say not very unusual but still not common either
I was preferably asking someone whose local garage is PB?
Quote from: Ash on August 30, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
1897 on the X51 to Cannock normally a B7rle working due to the current route into Cannock.
Think I was on that one, didn't pay too much attention to the fleetnumber but it was 17:45 ex city, had to stand right at the front but grateful cause I only just caught it, normally get into town just when it's leaving so only see the one pm cannock working so I assumed it was normally Omnilinks
Quote from: Ash on August 30, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
1897 on the X51 to Cannock normally a B7rle working due to the current route into Cannock.
Saw it while in Walsall this afternoon. A B7 RLE presumably not avaliable at that point
Why Matt? Just because i live in Wolverhampton doesn't mean i don't have knowledge of PB. If you can't deal with the fact of me answering the question then thats your problem :(
You asked a question and i accuratley answered it so whats the problem? (I do know the allocations of these routes)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 30, 2013, 11:27:17 PM
Why Matt? Just because i live in Wolverhampton doesn't mean i don't have knowledge of PB. If you can't deal with the fact of me answering the question then thats your problem :(
You asked a question and i accuratley answered it so whats the problem? (I do know the allocations of these routes)
As I said, I was looking for someone who has those routes as their local routes, who can give me an accurate answer
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 30, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
Unsure on all the following,
4853 on 905
4777 on 115
1874 on 7
Not common :-)
PB my local :P
115 generally will receive a Gemini or a Omnicity with the 905 most of the time toothpaste e400
Singles are quite common on the 7 especially during Peak but usually its the dundee allocation
Quote from: vinh1000 on August 31, 2013, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 30, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
Unsure on all the following,
4853 on 905
4777 on 115
1874 on 7
Not common :-)
PB my local :P
115 generally will receive a Gemini or a Omnicity with the 905 most of the time toothpaste e400
Singles are quite common on the 7 especially during Peak but usually its the dundee allocation
Thanks :) yes it was around peak time I saw 1874 on the 7.
Just to add, I saw a Trident on WN1 the other night, can't remember fleetnumber but think it was 4556. If only Andrew was still here!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 30, 2013, 10:59:41 PM
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 30, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
Unsure on all the following,
4853 on 905
4777 on 115
1874 on 7
I would say not very unusual but still not common either
I was preferably asking someone whose local garage is PB?
Well, my local garages are BC & PB. I can confirm that it isn't very unusual, as the E400's are usually on other Sutton Lines, or the recently transferred to WA routes. Scania's on the 7 is quite common, i'd say. I see at least one or two every day...
saw on the Coventry road wheatshief
7019 Scania Omnilink seen at 10:09 to Solihull working 71
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 31, 2013, 04:16:21 PM
saw on the Coventry road wheatshief
7019 Scania Omnilink seen at 10:09 to Solihull working 71
It does sound as though 7019 & 7020 have both moved back to AG then
Quote from: Winston on August 31, 2013, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 31, 2013, 04:16:21 PM
saw on the Coventry road wheatshief
7019 Scania Omnilink seen at 10:09 to Solihull working 71
It does sound as though 7019 & 7020 have both moved back to AG then
They will be greatly missed at PB :D
1-branded E400H 5418 on 79 this evening, rode it ex Wolves around 18:40
Also 3603 on 47, 4523 on 5, and 1699 on 45/46?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 31, 2013, 12:20:25 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on August 31, 2013, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 30, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
Unsure on all the following,
4853 on 905
4777 on 115
1874 on 7
Not common :-)
PB my local :P
115 generally will receive a Gemini or a Omnicity with the 905 most of the time toothpaste e400
Singles are quite common on the 7 especially during Peak but usually its the dundee allocation
Thanks :) yes it was around peak time I saw 1874 on the 7.
Just to add, I saw a Trident on WN1 the other night, can't remember fleetnumber but think it was 4556. If only Andrew was still here!
Speak of the devil and he shall appear ;) there were actually 2 on there, 1 was on most of the day the other i saw while walking down pipers row. Can't remember fleet numbers but 1 was a refurbed 1 & the other was a twm 1
B5LH 5510 on the 32/3/79 (Very rare at anytime let alonr sunday)
32/3 interwork with the 79 Sundays so will do the 32/3 aswell
5513 was parked on stand U in WN bus station for a while today, after having come off the 59 (incidentally replaced by 529-branded 4604), wondering if it went onto another route later on as I never saw what it did?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 01, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
5513 was parked on stand U in WN bus station for a while today, after having come off the 59 (incidentally replaced by 529-branded 4604), wondering if it went onto another route later on as I never saw what it did?
Think it may have gone back to garage and had a defect.