Just been sent this by a friend of mine. Apparently the 10 will be renumbered the 10A from the 22nd of July...
https://brownhillsbob.com/2018/06/10/a-great-new-bus-service-to-lichfield-starts-this-summer/
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 10, 2018, 05:32:23 PM
Just been sent this by a friend of mine. Apparently the 10 will be renumbered the 10A from the 22nd of July...
https://brownhillsbob.com/2018/06/10/a-great-new-bus-service-to-lichfield-starts-this-summer/
When was there last a Sunday service from Walsall to Lichfield?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 10, 2018, 05:32:23 PM
Just been sent this by a friend of mine. Apparently the 10 will be renumbered the 10A from the 22nd of July...
https://brownhillsbob.com/2018/06/10/a-great-new-bus-service-to-lichfield-starts-this-summer/
What happens to the existing 10A's?
It is the 10 that is being extended. The 10A just gets a route variation in Brownhills to cover a bit that the 10 is missing
But do you think it will make money
Quote from: BusMan Greg on June 10, 2018, 06:06:03 PM
But do you think it will make money
Arriva carry good loads between Burntwood and Lichfield. The 10 extension will make a dent into those loads, especially if the new route will operate within the 'local daysaver' boundary
Do you think the allocations could contribute to Arriva's performance on the Cannock-Lichfield Corridor. They will probobly allocate some MMC's
The link to the timetable is here
https://i1.wp.com/brownhillsbob.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/10A-Lichfield-timetable_000001.jpg?ssl=1
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2018, 07:09:55 PM
The link to the timetable is here
https://i1.wp.com/brownhillsbob.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/10A-Lichfield-timetable_000001.jpg?ssl=1
Restoring the missing Sunday link between Burntwood and Lichfield too. I think this makes it the only bus service in Lichfield on a Sunday following the April cuts
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2018, 06:04:44 PM
It is the 10 that is being extended. The 10A just gets a route variation in Brownhills to cover a bit that the 10 is missing
I believe it is actually the 10A being extended as it says "10A" on the timetable, and also states "Coppice Road, Maybrook Road" on the timetable which is where the 10A variation currently serves. I've been told the 10 will do the Brownhills West loop like the 10A does currently.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 10, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
I believe it is actually the 10A being extended as it says "10A" on the timetable, and also states "Coppice Road, Maybrook Road" on the timetable which is where the 10A variation currently serves. I've been told the 10 will do the Brownhills West loop like the 10A does currently.
It the current 10 that is being extended from Burntwood to Lichfield, but the numbering is going to be the other way around.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on June 10, 2018, 05:36:33 PM
When was there last a Sunday service from Walsall to Lichfield?
I think either Petes Travel or Choice did a service more for the benefit of Lichfield people coming into Walsall, I would say 15 to 20 years ago.
Before that WMPTE 394 to Lichfield finished (I think?) before the October 1985 North Division final timetable was issued.
If someone wants me to look it up, as I have the timetables & maps from 1969 intermittedly up to now for the Walsall area, I'll do so.
@Tony What pricing is available, because Daysaver Plus, as per the 54 to Stafford, ought to be valid, if normal Daysaver isn't valid?
I guess it only means there could be more incentive to have a permanent Cannock to Brum link on the X51 either 60, 30 or every 20 mins. Good news, hopefully Nx can compete with some dreadful Arriva operations.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on June 10, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
I guess it only means there could be more incentive to have a permanent Cannock to Brum link on the X51 either 60, 30 or every 20 mins. Good news, hopefully Nx can compete with some dreadful Arriva operations.
NX seem to be slowly spreading their wings across the boundary in to traditional Arriva territory, it will be interesting to see how the extenison is received by the local bus users. Fair play to NX for introducing a new daily commercial extension.
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2018, 02:18:45 AM
NX seem to be slowly spreading their wings across the boundary in to traditional Arriva territory, it will be interesting to see how the extenison is received by the local bus users. Fair play to NX for introducing a new daily commercial extension.
I quite like this. I quite like the idea of WN running routes to Telford, WA also branching out more to Cannock and I welcome this Lichfield extension. I suppose operating to Tamworth may be pushing it. Could CV potentially run a route to Rugby ? I understand while all this is nice to think about, its relative to demand and other factors such as costs and what not. NX pushing the county boundaries is quite exciting. Fare boundaries would need assessing I would imagine.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on June 10, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
I guess it only means there could be more incentive to have a permanent Cannock to Brum link on the X51 either 60, 30 or every 20 mins. Good news, hopefully Nx can compete with some dreadful Arriva operations.
Running the X51 to Cannock all day would end in disaster, the X51 is very popular and what would happen is that buses from Cannock would get held up on there way to Walsall leaving passengers with long waits to get to Birmingham which would also lead to longer waits in Birmingham for passengers for Walsall, so I think extending the X51 to Cannock all day is a bad idea, Reliability MUST come first. I would run a separate new service from Walsall to Cannock instead.
Can't really understands NXWM pulled the 154 service when it was starting to get popular linking Wolverhampton with Cannock,sorry to be negative but can anybody see this being a success.
Quote from: woody38 on June 11, 2018, 07:45:19 AM
Can't really understands NXWM pulled the 154 service when it was starting to get popular linking Wolverhampton with Cannock,sorry to be negative but can anybody see this being a success.
Currently there is no link between Brownhills and Lichfield so hopefully this will be successful
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 11, 2018, 06:21:40 AM
Running the X51 to Cannock all day would end in disaster, the X51 is very popular and what would happen is that buses from Cannock would get held up on there way to Walsall leaving passengers with long waits to get to Birmingham which would also lead to longer waits in Birmingham for passengers for Walsall, so I think extending the X51 to Cannock all day is a bad idea, Reliability MUST come first. I would run a separate new service from Walsall to Cannock instead.
Apart from the roadworks on toll road around 2000 era the 951 run pretty reliable on the Cannock side. If the route is to timed properly it should be OK. Enough running time and a five minute wait in Walsall if the bus is running slightly late. Another idea is extending X3 to Lichfield it went to Shenstone 1998 as 102A which is only 10 minutes from Lichfield.
Just a theory that the 10A will be normal route to A5 Brownhills West then continue as 10 route to Chasetown then serve Hight Street, sakneys corner, Bridge cross road, springhilk Road then Queen street to White Swan then onto Lichfield but I'm not sure how it will be routes around Burntwood loop. The 10 will be as current evenings as 10 E to Ogley hay A5 filling the gaps. Just a guess I'll wait and see though.
Geminifan.
I don't think nx would run anything into Rugby as this would put them in competition with Stagecoach & there is a big big difference between competing with Arriva & competing with Stagecoach.
Quote from: woody38 on June 11, 2018, 07:45:19 AM
Can't really understands NXWM pulled the 154 service when it was starting to get popular linking Wolverhampton with Cannock,sorry to be negative but can anybody see this being a success.
Because the i54 funding expired and there's not enough passangers to operate the 154 without a subsidy.
Had a quick chat with my old manager earlier, as he said he knew a couple of people at Walsall, & he told me one of the people he knew had been told that they were on the rota for the Lichfield route.
(Surely they are just recreating the 394 circa 1984?)
Did the 394/ 395 go to Lichfield then ? I don't remember them doing that
This service is similar to Arriva's 61 service between Walsall & Lichfield which got withdrawn in 2011. Except this don't go through boney hay
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 11, 2018, 07:47:47 PM
Did the 394/ 395 go to Lichfield then ? I don't remember them doing that
I can double check but the 394 definetly did.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 11, 2018, 04:12:32 AM
I quite like this. I quite like the idea of WN running routes to Telford, WA also branching out more to Cannock and I welcome this Lichfield extension. I suppose operating to Tamworth may be pushing it. Could CV potentially run a route to Rugby ? I understand while all this is nice to think about, its relative to demand and other factors such as costs and what not. NX pushing the county boundaries is quite exciting. Fare boundaries would need assessing I would imagine.
Why would NX want to run to Rugby when the existing routes are all part subsidised?
Quote from: Dennis on June 11, 2018, 09:38:02 PM
Why would NX want to run to Rugby when the existing routes are all part subsidised?
Its a fair old way too, around 12 miles - with not much in between Coventry and Rugby. Bedworth, Leamington and Kenilworth etc are a bit nearer!
It'll be interesting to see what happens to Diamond's 35.
Arriva couldn't make the old 61 pay, which is why we have the current 35, besides providing a Walsall to Lichfield link, also provides a Walsall to Aldridge link which is subsidised, I believe.
Quote from: paulb1973 on June 12, 2018, 01:30:02 PM
Its a fair old way too, around 12 miles - with not much in between Coventry and Rugby. Bedworth, Leamington and Kenilworth etc are a bit nearer!
WMPTE used to go out as far as Brandon at certain times!
I remember the 4 going out to Brandon!
Quote from: John Stait on June 13, 2018, 04:50:45 PM
I remember the 4 going out to Brandon!
Yes in 1994 for a few years and some time before that Brandon had the limited peak 44 service extended there (only found that out recently when such timetable was seen on eBay) obviously it didn't last long either.
In the other direction the 3 went to Bedworth (via current Stagecoach 56 route), one wonders if they had put the resources into extending 20 to Nuneaton instead their rewards might have been reaped?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 11, 2018, 06:21:40 AM
Running the X51 to Cannock all day would end in disaster, the X51 is very popular and what would happen is that buses from Cannock would get held up on there way to Walsall leaving passengers with long waits to get to Birmingham which would also lead to longer waits in Birmingham for passengers for Walsall, so I think extending the X51 to Cannock all day is a bad idea, Reliability MUST come first. I would run a separate new service from Walsall to Cannock instead.
If NX ran in direct competition with Arriva on the 1 ( maybe not the 2-if you live in landywood/wyrley the trains a better option the sapphire 2 hasnt really been successful) they would wipe the floor with arriva. Even if they offered say a 5 quid return!
Quote from: JPC on June 13, 2018, 05:46:51 PM
Yes in 1994 for a few years and some time before that Brandon had the limited peak 44 service extended there (only found that out recently when such timetable was seen on eBay) obviously it didn't last long either.
In the other direction the 3 went to Bedworth (via current Stagecoach 56 route), one wonders if they had put the resources into extending 20 to Nuneaton instead their rewards might have been reaped?
At the time Stagecoach (Midland Red South, Vanguard and G&G) were expanding in Coventry, and the 3, 4 and 44 extensions might have been a bit of retaliation on the part of WMT. Both Stagecoach and WMT scaled back the competition after a little while.
I have little doubt that Stagecoach would have fought back
very hard in Coventry if WMT had extended the 20 to Nuneaton - and that they would do now.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on June 13, 2018, 10:15:19 PM
At the time Stagecoach (Midland Red South, Vanguard and G&G) were expanding in Coventry, and the 3, 4 and 44 extensions might have been a bit of retaliation on the part of WMT. Both Stagecoach and WMT scaled back the competition after a little while.
I have little doubt that Stagecoach would have fought back very hard in Coventry if WMT had extended the 20 to Nuneaton - and that they would do now.
I was told by somebody (forget who now and whether true or not, I don't know) that they intended to delve into Nuneaton a little more at one point but they both came to some sort of an informal agreement to stay out of each other's way.
That was in reply to me asking why "Nuneaton, Camp Hill", "Nuneaton, Grove Farm" and "Bedworth, Smorrall Lane" appeared on WMT WT's blinds at the time. Rugby also appears on them but I suspect that was probably for Rail Replacements etc.
I do have a few photos of 3053 displaying the above blinds with SMR routes as a poke at the situation!
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/new-services-to-lichfield-coming-22nd-july
Hopefully itll have a detrimental effect on Arriva who despite purchasing new buses for its main 60 route got rid of most of them and now shove anything on there incl ( very) knackered cadets and old darts and tat
Is the intention to use old vehicles/ heritage vehicles for the first day in service?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 15, 2018, 02:40:04 PM
Is the intention to use old vehicles/ heritage vehicles for the first day in service?
No, that is later on using 4453, 4601 and maybe the Metrobus and Daimler duplicating service buses
Quote from: John on July 15, 2018, 03:14:48 PM
No, that is later on using 4453, 4601 and maybe the Metrobus and Daimler duplicating service buses
What date was this sorry, I can't find the thread where it was posted
Quote from: John on July 15, 2018, 03:14:48 PM
No, that is later on using 4453, 4601 and maybe the Metrobus and Daimler duplicating service buses
4601 is not a heritage vehicle, so could work the route anytime, I suppose. Including the first journey?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 15, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
What date was this sorry, I can't find the thread where it was posted
I think it was early august that was mentioned but NOT confirmed at the time if myn memory servers me right
Quote from: Solo1 on July 15, 2018, 05:55:22 PM
I think it was early august that was mentioned but NOT confirmed at the time if myn memory servers me right
11th August.
Quote from: 2206 on July 15, 2018, 06:14:51 PM
11th August.
Thanks both will put that in my calendar
The timetable leaflet has appeared in Walsall Travelshop!
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on June 10, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
I guess it only means there could be more incentive to have a permanent Cannock to Brum link on the X51 either 60, 30 or every 20 mins. Good news, hopefully Nx can compete with some dreadful Arriva operations.
Running the X51 more regularly to cannock would be fantastic and its something ive asked them to consider, but I would still be happy with a cannock-walsall route. Cannock needs competition.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on July 16, 2018, 11:12:13 PM
Running the X51 more regularly to cannock would be fantastic and its something ive asked them to consider, but I would still be happy with a cannock-walsall route. Cannock needs competition.
Doubt they will. Have you seen Arrivas loadings on 1 and 2? Converting the 1 to Sapphire was supposed to increase passengers. Had theopposite, they DECREASED the service 🤣🤣🤣 half the time any junk is on there. 2745 yesterday. Worst bus theyve got on a premium route? A1 allocating
Quote from: Bob on July 17, 2018, 07:02:07 PM
Yeah im a regular user of the 1, 2, 2E and it was full today in both directions.
Thats a rare occasion. If it was that much of a busy route why cut frequency of the 1 from every 20 to every 30 mins? Every time i see them especially the 2 theyre half full at best. Not good considering when Arriva first took on the 1 after Chase takeover they were using deckers on it on a Saturday....
Different traffic notice in the buses today refering to the 10a !
Don't suppose anyone has spotted Councilor Richard Worrall on the first journey?
Quote from: Westy on July 22, 2018, 11:32:07 AM
Don't suppose anyone has spotted Councilor Richard Worrall on the first journey?
Why would they?
Quote from: metrocity on July 22, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Why would they?
He has been known to go on the first journeys of new services, or where a new facilty has been opened, for example I heard he went on the first service to leave that 'island' platform in Walsall Bus Station when it finally opened.
(He was also responsible for getting the subsidised 35 in Walsall going, by paying from his allowance!)
I've seen him on the odd Aston Manor trip too.
today at Lichfield
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gardnergav/43525027342/in/dateposted-public/
Quote from: Bob on July 18, 2018, 09:48:55 PM
Thats a rare occasion. If it was that much of a busy route why cut frequency of the 1 from every 20 to every 30 mins? Every time i see them especially the 2 theyre half full at best. Not good considering when Arriva first took on the 1 after Chase takeover they were using deckers on it on a Saturday....
Because they are constantly cutting back. They also scrapped the 2A. There's alot of issues with Arriva Cannock at the moment and in my opinion NXWM or Diamond would do a better job.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on July 22, 2018, 09:01:26 PM
Because they are constantly cutting back. They also scrapped the 2A. There's alot of issues with Arriva Cannock at the moment and in my opinion NXWM or Diamond would do a better job.
They wouldnt have cut it if patronage had increased! Diamomd? Arriva arent brilliant but Jesus 🤣
Diamond would need a South Staffs base, if they came into Cannock.
NX could run the services from Walsall & Wolves.
By the way, there's 2 versions of the 10a timetable leaflet in circulation, the standard 10/10a NWM version & a NX 10a only version, featuring the fares/special offers.
Quote from: Bob on July 23, 2018, 07:09:03 PM
They wouldnt have cut it if patronage had increased! Diamomd? Arriva arent brilliant but Jesus 🤣
See Bob arriva aren't that bad. How many times would you be posting if you had Diamond instead?
Quote from: Steveminor on July 23, 2018, 10:46:44 PM
See Bob arriva aren't that bad. How many times would you be posting if you had Diamond instead?
Being the lesser of 2 evils doesnt mean theyre good lol
On Thursday 2115 and 34 branded 1887 were in Lichfield on the 10a - it's a pity the poster advertising it is facing the station, rather than more obviously visible to people coming from the city centre.
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Someone badly needs to take Lichfield bus station in hand and update and tidy the shelters.
Quote from: mikestone on August 04, 2018, 09:04:13 PM
On Thursday 2115 and 34 branded 1887 were in Lichfield on the 10a - it's a pity the poster advertising it is facing the station, rather than more obviously visible to people coming from the city centre.
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Someone badly needs to take Lichfield bus station in hand and update and tidy the shelters.
Is that a District Council or County Council issue?
Last time I went (The final Central Buses day), it was heavily Arriva biased with the publicity, with the odd bit of Midland Classic.
Has both Diamond & Nx managed to get their timetable info in the stands or have they been 'prevented' from doing so?
Quote from: mikestone on August 04, 2018, 09:04:13 PM
On Thursday 2115 and 34 branded 1887 were in Lichfield on the 10a - it's a pity the poster advertising it is facing the station, rather than more obviously visible to people coming from the city centre.
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Someone badly needs to take Lichfield bus station in hand and update and tidy the shelters.
It's a Staffordshire thing... look at Cannock for example.
Quote from: Westy on August 04, 2018, 11:26:41 PM
Is that a District Council or County Council issue?
Last time I went (The final Central Buses day), it was heavily Arriva biased with the publicity, with the odd bit of Midland Classic.
Has both Diamond & Nx managed to get their timetable info in the stands or have they been 'prevented' from doing so?
District Councils responsible for bus stations in Staffs. Lichfield was going to be getting a new bus station a part of the Friarsgate development but that seems to have gone belly up so don't know what is happening now.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 05, 2018, 01:24:57 AM
It's a Staffordshire thing... look at Cannock for example.
Lichfield has had same shelters since the 1970s. Cannock and Hednesford bus stns also had the same ones from the 1980s to early 2000s
I think all the timetables were posted, but in at least some cases, such as the 10a it is neccesary to guess which stop it uses. The 35 stand had prominent service details - which was just as well as both buses noted had paper route numbers on the dash.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/explore-lichfield-with-our-new-10a-service
According to this article: 'They can also travel to the National Memorial Arboretum'
How?
It is a 6.7 mile walk from Lichfield Bus Station
Google says a Midland Classic bus goes near from Lichfield, but irregular and a 30 minute walk from the bus stop.
Neither of them seem particularly attractive propositions, especially when you consider the demographic that visit the Memorial Arboretum.
Apparently an enviro 200 on the the 10 yesterday is this true
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 10, 2018, 01:40:14 AM
Apparently an enviro 200 on the the 10 yesterday is this true
I. Never saw no E200 but 4603 now debranded made an appearance on 10A 1620 Lichfield peak time board
Just confirming that the 10A running day is not happening tomorrow, it has been put back to Saturday 1st September.
Extra buses are now being able to be sourced thanks to the postponement, so expect some surprises to be out in service.
@Tony you were right saw 4597 on the 10A at about 6PM
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 11, 2018, 10:53:01 PM
@Tony you were right saw 4597 on the 10A at about 6PM
Right about what? It was on the 8 and 89 yesterday. There is one 89 board that does a 10A trip from Walsall at 6.13pm to Burntwood and back to Browhhills before going back to garage
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2018, 05:43:29 PM
Just confirming that the 10A running day is not happening tomorrow, it has been put back to Saturday 1st September.
Extra buses are now being able to be sourced thanks to the postponement, so expect some surprises to be out in service.
I asked the same question of Central Buses, when they did their final day, & their answer was yes, but will NX maintain low floor accessability on the 10a, when the vintage buses are out?
(Central did duplicate their RM with a standard vehicle, while the other vehicles that were borrowed from Midland Classic were accessible!)
Quote from: Westy on August 12, 2018, 10:09:35 AM
but will NX maintain low floor accessability on the 10a, when the vintage buses are out?
Of course they will
NXWM are even closer to Cannock now... why can't they just stop playing hard to get lol
They could run a Litchfield to Cannock (Arriva 60/61 route)... then Walsall to Cannock (X51 route) on Sundays.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 12, 2018, 01:20:27 PM
They could run a Litchfield to Cannock on Sundays.
Not sure there would be much demand to travel to Cannock from a tiny village in Hampshire. From
Lichfield in Staffordshire, perhaps...
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 12, 2018, 01:20:27 PM
NXWM are even closer to Cannock now... why can't they just stop playing hard to get lol
They could run a Litchfield to Cannock (Arriva 60/61 route)... then Walsall to Cannock (X51 route) on Sundays.
Where's Litchfield? ???
Quote from: Smethwickian on August 12, 2018, 03:34:55 PM
Not sure there would be much demand to travel to Cannock from a tiny village in Hampshire. From
Lichfield in Staffordshire, perhaps...
It'd still be a shorter journey than the 97 to Chelmsley lol... I mean Lichfield obviously
Saturday 1st September is going to be the running day.
At the moment we are currently expecting to have 4 unusual liveries on the normal service and 4 'vintage' buses running free duplicates. That number may grow. There may also be some 'heritage trips' on the 301 to mark the last use of a 3xx number in Walsall.
Keep watching for more details
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2018, 08:58:20 PM
There may also be some 'heritage trips' on the 301 to mark the last use of a 3xx number in Walsall.
Aren't Thandi still keeping the 334 & 335 numbers in Walsall?
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2018, 08:58:20 PM
Saturday 1st September is going to be the running day.
At the moment we are currently expecting to have 4 unusual liveries on the normal service and 4 'vintage' buses running free duplicates. That number may grow. There may also be some 'heritage trips' on the 301 to mark the last use of a 3xx number in Walsall.
Keep watching for more details
What about the 302?
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 12, 2018, 01:20:27 PM
NXWM are even closer to Cannock now... why can't they just stop playing hard to get lol
They could run a Litchfield to Cannock (Arriva 60/61 route)... then Walsall to Cannock (X51 route) on Sundays.
If NX were interested they would've made moves by now i would think. Obviously arent bothered
@Bob did you expect Lichfield???
NX have tried running in Cannock, the 154, hardly a runaway success was it?
Quote from: Westy on August 13, 2018, 09:11:03 PM
What about the 302?
From 2 September renumbered 32.
Quote from: V89MOA on August 13, 2018, 09:42:29 PM
NX have tried running in Cannock, the 154, hardly a runaway success was it?
I'll be honest I don't remember I'm a 90's kid so not been around that long, and until last year I hadn't used a bus since I was a kid (we used to catch the 351 Midlands Travel, then number 1 Chase Linx!).
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 13, 2018, 11:40:34 PM
I'll be honest I don't remember I'm a 90's kid so not been around that long, and until last year I hadn't used a bus since I was a kid (we used to catch the 351 Midlands Travel, then number 1 Chase Linx!).
The 154 was only within the last year...
Quote from: Kevin on August 14, 2018, 08:48:33 AM
The 154 was only within the last year...
It survived into this year
Quote from: Tony on August 14, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
It survived into this year
I had no idea! Did it run from Cannock bus station?
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 14, 2018, 12:54:40 PM
I had no idea! Did it run from Cannock bus station?
Yes.
Wolverhampton to Hednesford via Cannock Bus Station.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/2015-Timetables/Black-Country-Changes-26th-April-2015/b054_154n_26Apr15.pdf
Quote from: Smethwickian on August 13, 2018, 10:38:35 PM
From 2 September renumbered 32.
I know. I was refering to the heritage buses day post!
Ive never really understood why they needlessly and pointlessly change route numbers? What was wrong with 3xx 4xx 5xx????
Quote from: Bob on August 14, 2018, 08:47:56 PM
Ive never really understood why they needlessly and pointlessly change route numbers? What was wrong with 3xx 4xx 5xx????
Because the dominant operator insists its sooooo much simpler to have four different service 6s, three different service 10s, three 19s and so on within Birmingham and the Black Country.
Quote from: Smethwickian on August 14, 2018, 10:22:53 PM
Because the dominant operator insists its sooooo much simpler to have four different service 6s, three different service 10s, three 19s and so on within Birmingham and the Black Country.
Because some pencil pusher somewhere thinks pretty numbers will solve their woes!
For anyone who says it helps grow patronage you can what nonsense that is within Page 11 of this document: https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/2376/travel-trends-web.pdf
Quote from: Straightlines on August 14, 2018, 10:46:02 PM
Because some pencil pusher somewhere thinks pretty numbers will solve their woes!
For anyone who says it helps grow patronage you can what nonsense that is within Page 11 of this document: https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/2376/travel-trends-web.pdf
Well at least Rail and Metro to a lesser degree have done okay out of it !
Years ago the company computer system would not allow two services to have the same route number hence the need at the time to introduce the S3 from Yardley Wood.
I suppose times have moved on but there was (and in my view still is) perfect logic in the PTE's application of the Midland Red route numbering system to Black Country routes.
Saw a 10A leave Walsall yesterday at 3.50 and it was packed. Is it the quickest out of all the Lichfield bound services?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 15, 2018, 12:57:50 PM
Saw a 10A leave Walsall yesterday at 3.50 and it was packed. Is it the quickest out of all the Lichfield bound services?
According to Traveline the 35 is about 16 mins quicker for journeys around that time from Walsall to Lichfield.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 15, 2018, 12:57:50 PM
Saw a 10A leave Walsall yesterday at 3.50 and it was packed. Is it the quickest out of all the Lichfield bound services?
It would be interesting to know how Diamond 35 is doing now.
It would be also interesting to see how the 10a performs during the winter months on a Sunday & also whether it will survive until the next Lichfield Bower.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 15, 2018, 12:57:50 PM
Saw a 10A leave Walsall yesterday at 3.50 and it was packed. Is it the quickest out of all the Lichfield bound services?
It doesn't mean they were all going to Lichfield
Walsall classic bus running day - Saturday 1st September
To celebrate the launch of the new service 10A between Walsall and Lichfield and to commemorate the last day of operation of 300 series route numbers in Walsall (the 301 and 302 become the 31 and 32 from 2nd September), we're holding a heritage vehicle running day in Walsall on Saturday 1st September.
Come and join us between 10:00 and 16:00 for free rides on buses of yesteryear.
Classic buses will be running between Walsall and Lichfield on the 10A and between Walsall and Bloxwich on the 301.
We'll also be operating a variety of modern vehicles in different liveries from across the business on the 10 and 10A, including buses in heritage Walsall and Coventry liveries and our recently repainted Pride bus.
Please note that free rides will only be available on heritage buses. Normal fares will be charged on other journeys on the 10, 10A and 301. Some vehicles in use on the day are kindly being provided by private individuals and the Transport Museum, Wythall, and will not be operated by National Express West Midlands. Travel on these vehicles will be at the discretion of the vehicle owner in each case.
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2018, 12:20:28 PM
to commemorate the last day of operation of 300 series route numbers in Walsall (the 301 and 302 become the 31 and 32 from 2nd September)
It's not the last day of operation of 300 series route numbers as there are still other operators who use them in Walsall.
Quote from: Straightlines on August 24, 2018, 02:01:58 PM
It's not the last day of operation of 300 series route numbers as there are still other operators who use them in Walsall.
So what?
They are not marking the end of them, National Express are.
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2018, 02:07:08 PM
So what?
They are not marking the end of them, National Express are.
Indeed... I doubt they would mark the end of something they aren't ending, hence why I said the 3** numbers are not ending yet in Walsall.
Quote from: Straightlines on August 24, 2018, 02:18:34 PM
Indeed... I doubt they would mark the end of something they aren't ending, hence why I said the 3** numbers are not ending yet in Walsall.
They are on National Express buses
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2018, 12:20:28 PM
Walsall classic bus running day - Saturday 1st September
To celebrate the launch of the new service 10A between Walsall and Lichfield and to commemorate the last day of operation of 300 series route numbers in Walsall (the 301 and 302 become the 31 and 32 from 2nd September), we're holding a heritage vehicle running day in Walsall on Saturday 1st September.
Come and join us between 10:00 and 16:00 for free rides on buses of yesteryear.
Classic buses will be running between Walsall and Lichfield on the 10A and between Walsall and Bloxwich on the 301.
We'll also be operating a variety of modern vehicles in different liveries from across the business on the 10 and 10A, including buses in heritage Walsall and Coventry liveries and our recently repainted Pride bus.
Please note that free rides will only be available on heritage buses. Normal fares will be charged on other journeys on the 10, 10A and 301. Some vehicles in use on the day are kindly being provided by private individuals and the Transport Museum, Wythall, and will not be operated by National Express West Midlands. Travel on these vehicles will be at the discretion of the vehicle owner in each case.
Is there any official publicity out like there was for the end of the first gen low floor buses on the 301 a few years back, or am I ok to copy & share on social media?
Not hard to find. It is on the front page of the company website
https://nxbus.co.uk/
This is a clue to some of the buses we hope to have in service
A couple dependant on repairs being done in time
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2018, 05:58:03 PM
This is a clue to some of the buses we hope to have in service
A couple dependant on repairs being done in time
Loving the graphics! Really do hope 1707 could make it. :D
Just a quick question for anyone who knows but does anybody know what vehicles will be used on wat routes on the running day
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 24, 2018, 10:53:26 PM
Just a quick question for anyone who knows but does anybody know what vehicles will be used on the running day
If you look at that picture it suggests
1707
2957
3225
4001
4453
4601
& Pride Bus (can't rememeber fleet number)
Quote from: MW on August 24, 2018, 11:03:03 PM
If you look at that picture it suggests
1707
2957
3225
4001
4453
4601
& Pride Bus (can't rememeber fleet number)
4879
And also I ment to put what routes will they be used on
Sorry everyone
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 24, 2018, 11:05:16 PM
4879
And also I ment to put what routes will they be used on
Sorry everyone
You want to know which routes they'll be on? Are you for real?
Did you not read what Tony said? I suggest you go back to the previous page and read Tony's message.
Just had a ride out & back to the Lichfield Food Festival.
Nice to see timetables are on most stops & even a specially designed flag for one stop!
(The first one after the boundary between the A5 & Chasetown!)
Well so far I've had one very late 10A (on a Sunday too!) and a non-existent 10A yesterday (this was the last 10A to go all the way to Lichfield which means having waited an hour I could then only get as far as Burntwood!). Disappointed!
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 30, 2018, 11:38:34 AM
Well so far I've had one very late 10A (on a Sunday too!)
Did you go to Lichfield on Sunday?
Did you happen to notice anything happening there?
Quote from: Tony on August 30, 2018, 12:00:39 PM
Did you go to Lichfield on Sunday?
Did you happen to notice anything happening there?
As mentioned in a different thread there was a food festival yes but surely that can't make you 20 minutes late.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 30, 2018, 06:50:40 PM
As mentioned in a different thread there was a food festival yes but surely that can't make you 20 minutes late.
If there were more people boarding than usual, as well as more cars on the road, that could indeed cause delays.
About the running day, obviously there'd be more departures on the two routes than there are heritage buses, is there any sort of timetable as to which departures will have heritage vehicles running?
Quote from: Kevin on August 30, 2018, 08:02:33 PM
About the running day, obviously there'd be more departures on the two routes than there are heritage buses, is there any sort of timetable as to which departures will have heritage vehicles running?
Didnt the 301's on the previous occasion run as duplicates?
The 10a's ought to run as duplicates, as that is what Central did on the 35!
Quote from: Westy on August 30, 2018, 08:23:42 PM
Didnt the 301's on the previous occasion run as duplicates?
The 10a's ought to run as duplicates, as that is what Central did on the 35!
The heritage vehicles will run as duplicates. For example, 2957's first trip is duplicating the 10:15 from Walsall.
Quote from: Westy on August 30, 2018, 08:23:42 PM
Didnt the 301's on the previous occasion run as duplicates?
The 10a's ought to run as duplicates, as that is what Central did on the 35!
1613, 1641, 4020, 4017 and 4021 ran as duplicates.
1436 and 1447 were operating normal running boards.
Quote from: Nathan on August 30, 2018, 08:30:11 PM
The heritage vehicles will run as duplicates. For example, 2957's first trip is duplicating the 10:15 from Walsall.
Do you have a list of all the heritage vehicles and times of departures?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 30, 2018, 08:54:11 PM
Do you have a list of all the heritage vehicles and times of departures?
116; 1707; 2957; 3225; 4001 and possible other guest vehicles as well
Quote from: Tony on August 30, 2018, 08:55:57 PM
116; 1707; 2957; 3225; 4001 and possible other guest vehicles as well
What's the betting there will be a photo of 116 & 4601 together?
What's the chance of a VR & Walsall 56 as well?
Here is the timetable for Saturday as it stands.
@Tony and a few of us from the team have put a lot of effort into making it happen so make sure you come along :) It looks to be great :D
Quote from: Adam 404 on August 30, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
Here is the timetable for Saturday as it stands.
@Tony and a few of us from the team have put a lot of effort into making it happen so make sure you come along :) It looks to be great :D
Is it just them vechiels then or isn't 4601 and the Coventry heritage bus coming along is it not and just them instead
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 30, 2018, 11:28:30 PM
Is it just them vechiels then or isn't 4601 and the Coventry heritage bus coming along is it not and just them instead
4601 will be on a 10 board that would usually be ran by another bus. There will be a few others from the current fleet also out on the 10 and 10A but haven't been allocated specific journeys as of yet. :)
Quote from: Adam 404 on August 30, 2018, 11:31:01 PM
4601 will be on a 10 board that would usually be ran by another bus. There will be a few others from the current fleet also out on the 10 and 10A but haven't been allocated specific journeys as of yet. :)
Oh ok look forward to seeing them saturday
Quote from: Adam 404 on August 30, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
Here is the timetable for Saturday as it stands.
@Tony and a few of us from the team have put a lot of effort into making it happen so make sure you come along :) It looks to be great :D
Looks a good event. Its a pity it appears to have been put together, or at least published, at such relatively short notice.
You are making me feel ancient - 3225 and 116 are the only two I'd cross the road for :)
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(For the humourless amongst you that's not a criticism of the event or its organisers.)
Quote from: mikestone on August 31, 2018, 10:19:05 AM
You are making me feel ancient - 3225 and 116 are the only two I'd cross the road for :)
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(For the humourless amongst you that's not a criticism of the event or its organisers.)
Very true!
Where will the best places for pics be?
Even though the Bloxwich timing point is Wolverhampton Road, would I be correct in thinking the bus will turn round at Park Road & park up by the fountain on the High St?
If so, that would be a good place to get pictures.
Quote from: Westy on August 31, 2018, 07:26:54 PM
Where will the best places for pics be?
Even though the Bloxwich timing point is Wolverhampton Road, would I be correct in thinking the bus will turn round at Park Road & park up by the fountain on the High St?
If so, that would be a good place to get pictures.
I would have thought they would do that
Quote from: Adam 404 on August 30, 2018, 11:31:01 PM
4601 will be on a 10 board that would usually be ran by another bus. There will be a few others from the current fleet also out on the 10 and 10A but haven't been allocated specific journeys as of yet. :)
Does anyone know if any other non Walsall vehicles from the current fleet are likely to be on there (other than 4879 and 4601)?
Just a passing thought, and I'm pretty sure I'll know the answer to this, but...
Any chance we'll see 2125 pop out on the 301's last day before it becomes the 31?
Quote from: CL on August 31, 2018, 11:43:43 PM
Just a passing thought, and I'm pretty sure I'll know the answer to this, but...
Any chance we'll see 2125 pop out on the 301's last day before it becomes the 31?
2125 is on the 10/A. Saw it in Chasetown towards Lichfield just before 09:10.
If of interest to those, in terms of vehicles running the normal trips, 2125, 4601, 4879, 6722, 6754 & 6755 are on there so far
1707 & 116 just passed me at Walsall Road, Beeches Road
Quote from: CL on September 01, 2018, 09:46:57 AM
1707 & 116 just passed me at Walsall Road, Beeches Road
4839 has also come out.
What buses are running the special 301/2s
On 116 back to Walsall from Bloxwich.
Anyone know where the Pride bus & 3225 are the moment?
#On 3225 now!#
Just had a lovely ride on 2957 to Lichfield drivers where very pilot planning to get the one before last heritage vechiele back to walsall
Anyone know who is that bloke that wears the tv logo t shirts?
Quote from: PB2938 on September 01, 2018, 10:45:23 AM
4839 has also come out.
4125 was also out on the 10/A today.
I was planing on getting of 4001 in Burntwood and waiting for the TBC marked bus on the timetable, glad I didn't and stayed on 4001 all the way back to Walsall in the end as I noticed on the way back there didn't seem to be anything operating that trip.
I went on 116 to Lichfield (nice to see it in convey with 4601 on that paticular trip) and 4001 back to Walsall.
Was a good day and nice to be able to get a ride on those heritage vehicles.
Thanks
@Tony and anybody else involved in making this event happen.
I unfortunately only managed a trip on 1707 and 2957. I enjoyed the ride on the merc a good throwback, and seeing 244 on the rear blind made me smile
Just like to thanks all of the people which made this running day happening I really enjoyed it and I think alot of people did as well especially in Lichfield even a midland classic driver got his phone out and took a picture so once again thanks to national express and wythall bus museum for the today
I only did 116 & 3225 & stayed in Walsall/Bloxwich.
By the way, I never saw an 1155 301 departure from Walsall to Bloxwich, unless I'm mistaken?
Quote from: Westy on September 01, 2018, 11:54:06 PM
I only did 116 & 3225 & stayed in Walsall/Bloxwich.
By the way, I never saw an 1155 301 departure from Walsall to Bloxwich, unless I'm mistaken?
I'm not sure if it was ment to be it's not in the timetable for the heritage buses or am I mistaken and there was a heritage departure
Quote from: Westy on September 01, 2018, 11:54:06 PM
I only did 116 & 3225 & stayed in Walsall/Bloxwich.
By the way, I never saw an 1155 301 departure from Walsall to Bloxwich, unless I'm mistaken?
Unfortunately, the original bus (Bristol VR 4413) didn't make it. I was informed today that the substitute didn't make it either.
@Westy
Did the recently damaged Coventry Heritage Bus 4453 get repaired in time and go out in service at all yesterday, or was it replaced instead by the freshly repainted 4839, which is now in its new two-tone blue livery !
A pity Bristol VR 4714 couldnt of come out to play with its classic livery
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 02, 2018, 01:15:03 AM
Unfortunately, the original bus (Bristol VR 4413) didn't make it. I was informed today that the substitute didn't make it either. @Westy
Do u know what the subditude was
@P419 EJW
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 02, 2018, 02:01:20 AM
Do u know what the subditude was @P419 EJW
There was no heritage vehicle on the trips it would have operated, it was just a bus in normal service.
Quote from: Coventry Transport Dude on September 02, 2018, 01:15:23 AM
Did the recently damaged Coventry Heritage Bus 4453 get repaired in time and go out in service at all yesterday, or was it replaced instead by the freshly repainted 4839, which is now in its new two-tone blue livery !
4453 did not attend.
4839 did attend and was in normal service on the 10/A.
Quote from: Coventry Transport Dude on September 02, 2018, 01:15:23 AM
Did the recently damaged Coventry Heritage Bus 4453 get repaired in time and go out in service at all yesterday, or was it replaced instead by the freshly repainted 4839, which is now in its new two-tone blue livery !
No it didn't. It was in Perry Barr yesterday under repair
Quote from: John on September 02, 2018, 09:06:30 AM
No it didn't. It was in Perry Barr yesterday under repair
It moved to Walsall for paintwork attention during the running day, so did appear in Walsall!
"THANK YOU" Tony, John and 2206 for your much appreciated reply to my question, regarding the Coventry Heritage Bus 4453 ! (Such a shame it wasn't able to run in service yesterday, but pleased to hear that 4839 was in attendance to represent Coventry !).
Thoughts on running the 10A a bit later on evenings? It terminates in Burntwood 3 times from Walsall weekdays, it could continue to Lichfield another two times and terminate early on the third. Other than that its good to see a Sunday service in south staffs, it's always busy.
Is the 10A busy to/from Lichfield monday to friday daytime? On the 2 occasions I used it, when leaving/arriving at Lichfield there was 4 or less people on the bus. Even when the bus left Walsall extremely well loaded for a 1440 afternoon service (two people standing) .
Perhaps the journeys that are not so close to the 35/35B departures are busier? Because by the top it got to Lichfield bus station there was only one passenger :o
Quote from: Lichfield_Lad on October 25, 2018, 02:15:08 PM
Is the 10A busy to/from Lichfield monday to friday daytime? On the 2 occasions I used it, when leaving/arriving at Lichfield there was 4 or less people on the bus. Even when the bus left Walsall extremely well loaded for a 1440 afternoon service (two people standing) .
Perhaps the journeys that are not so close to the 35/35B departures are busier? Because by the top it got to Lichfield bus station there was only one passenger :o
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the 35 group of routes!
Maybe chop it back to Leighswood to Walsall or perhaps increase the service through Stonnall & Shenstone instead?
Quote from: Lichfield_Lad on October 25, 2018, 02:15:08 PM
Is the 10A busy to/from Lichfield monday to friday daytime? On the 2 occasions I used it, when leaving/arriving at Lichfield there was 4 or less people on the bus. Even when the bus left Walsall extremely well loaded for a 1440 afternoon service (two people standing) .
Perhaps the journeys that are not so close to the 35/35B departures are busier? Because by the top it got to Lichfield bus station there was only one passenger :o
It's very busy on Sundays perhaps because there's no 35 or Arriva services. I agree though only a few carry on to Lichfield but there's usually plenty waiting when I've been on. I still think there should be later evening services instead of terminating / starting at Swan Island.
Another interesting thing I noticed is the times on the bus stops are just copied of the entire timetable for the given direction! You'd have to guess when the bus will arrive. One thing Arriva do well is bus stop timetables - very clear.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on October 25, 2018, 11:03:18 PM
It's very busy on Sundays perhaps because there's no 35 or Arriva services. I agree though only a few carry on to Lichfield but there's usually plenty waiting when I've been on. I still think there should be later evening services instead of terminating / starting at Swan Island.
Another interesting thing I noticed is the times on the bus stops are just copied of the entire timetable for the given direction! You'd have to guess when the bus will arrive. One thing Arriva do well is bus stop timetables - very clear.
The bus stops timetables are better in. My opion. Passengers are there in advanced of when the bus is due. Not like network west midlands with a time at every bus stop and the passengers there last minute and always end up missing it. The times at bus stops are estimates not timing points.
Quote from: PB2938 on October 26, 2018, 10:21:23 AM
The bus stops timetables are better in. My opion. Passengers are there in advanced of when the bus is due. Not like network west midlands with a time at every bus stop and the passengers there last minute and always end up missing it. The times at bus stops are estimates not timing points.
If somebody turns up to a bus stop late they will miss the bus regardless of what is written on the stop??
Quote from: Westy on October 25, 2018, 07:13:15 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the 35 group of routes!
Maybe chop it back to Leighswood to Walsall or perhaps increase the service through Stonnall & Shenstone instead?
Ive been on the 35 a few times now and found it is about 10 minutes faster to Lichfield than the 10A - mainly I would say due to the more direct roads through Muckley Corner and Wall. Not many people on there though, most people get off at Aldridge.
Noticed today the 10A branded bus stop flags around burntwood / chase town have been replaced by the awful Staffordshire ones (not new ones either). Wonder if it was a short term solution or whether they didnt have permission?
Quote from: l.murphy123 on February 13, 2019, 11:57:19 PM
Noticed today the 10A branded bus stop flags around burntwood / chase town have been replaced by the awful Staffordshire ones (not new ones either). Wonder if it was a short term solution or whether they didnt have permission?
Some parts of 10A route there has been no bus stop signs for years. Finally nx put there own up on the launch of 10A then Staffordshire decide to suddenly replace them all with there unhelpful bus stops.
Quote from: PB2938 on February 14, 2019, 08:11:39 AM
Some parts of 10A route there has been no bus stop signs for years. Finally nx put there own up on the launch of 10A then Staffordshire decide to suddenly replace them all with there unhelpful bus stops.
Don't see the issue if the only bus serving that stop is the 10A. Staffordshire's flags are useless. No route numbers, stop name or direction of travel.
Anyone would think Staffs want the route to fail, especially on Sundays!
(Get the 10/10a leaflets on the bus sharpish!)
Quote from: Westy on February 14, 2019, 10:43:35 PM
Anyone would think Staffs want the route to fail, especially on Sundays!
(Get the 10/10a leaflets on the bus sharpish!)
Why? Use the app on the phone
Quote from: Dutsey on February 15, 2019, 11:40:59 AM
Why? Use the app on the phone
Older people dont use apps, still agree timetables are good. An elderly lady said to the driver "please dont stop this service its the only one in staffordshire on a sunday and I like to see my granddaughter". NX are in arms reach of Cannock where we need them most evenings and sundays, soo close!