The order for 2014 was announced officially today:-
CONFIRMED ORDER 09/04/14
94 ADL Enviro 400 - 58/94
6 Midlands (Derby) - service 38 SAPPHIRE
10 Midlands (Tamworth) - service 110 SAPPHIRE
6 North East (Ashington) - service X18 MAX
6 North East (Ashington) - service X21/X22 SAPPHIRE
9 North West (Southport) - service 375/385
19 North West (Speke) -
2 Shires (Aylesbury) - service 280 SAPPHIRE
40 ADL Enviro 200 - 31/40
23 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - big in Wakefield
8 Yorkshire (Castleford)
70 Wright Streetlite Max MH - 79/70
18 - Midlands (Cannock) - service 1/2/2a SAPPHIRE
8 North East (Jesmond) - service 306
2 North East (Ashington) - service 35/35a
5 North East (Durham) - service 23
10 North East (Stockton) - service 5/5a SAPPHIRE
14 North East (Redcar) - service X3/X4 SAPPHIRE
11 Shires (Garston) - service 321 SAPPHIRE
11 S.Counties (?) -
Possible orders for Wales?
Some of these must be the shorter (standard) version...
27 Wright Streetlite MH - 0/27
5 Optare Versa - 5/5
5 Yorkshire Tiger
As you can see, still plenty to be confirmed!
Blimey, Arriva are putting a large nunber of buses in to Cannock finally. That's getting on for a third of their allocation.
Quote from: Winston on April 08, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
Blimey, Arriva are putting a large nunber of buses in to Cannock finally. That's getting on for a third of their allocation.
Glad there are a fair few coming up to the north rast. Mind you it is more than needed to compete with Go Ahead.
18 though? That cant be right? Unless the frequencies are being doubled???
Looks like theyve stopped ordering Pulsars too. ..
And bob said only Cannock could upgrade to Sapphire with Streetlites..... ;). Appears not!
Lol I was only going on what other people have said about Streetlites on here. Are they really as bad as what people say they are? I know theyre supposed to be really noisy. I bet the Leicester one ends up at cannock. Wonder what theyre gonna replace? I could see most Darts going. Wonder what theyll do with the current route 1 buses
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
Lol I was only going on what other people have said about Streetlites on here. Are they really as bad as what people say they are? I know theyre supposed to be really noisy. I bet the Leicester one ends up at cannock. Wonder what theyre gonna replace? I could see most Darts going. Wonder what theyll do with the current route 1 buses
I would imagine the Route 1 SB200's would either transfer out to other garages or transfer onto other routes therefore withdrawing more buses (Darts I would imagine). Maybe they will be refurbished also?
And I wonder where the tamworth citylinx b9tls will end up. Four or so would be perfect to upgrade the 74/75 both of which can have standing loads in the peaks
18 buses tho for the 1/2/2a? Im sure the current max required for all 3 routes together is like 9 or 10 buses
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
And I wonder where the tamworth citylinx b9tls will end up. Four or so would be perfect to upgrade the 74/75 both of which can have standing loads in the peaks
Are there any other routes that the B9TL's can go onto at Tamworth?
Maybe the others will be 'spares' allocated to other Cannock Routes maybe with standard spec interior?
Quote from: Nathan on April 08, 2014, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
Lol I was only going on what other people have said about Streetlites on here. Are they really as bad as what people say they are? I know theyre supposed to be really noisy. I bet the Leicester one ends up at cannock. Wonder what theyre gonna replace? I could see most Darts going. Wonder what theyll do with the current route 1 buses
I would imagine the Route 1 SB200's would either transfer out to other garages or transfer onto other routes therefore withdrawing more buses (Darts I would imagine). Maybe they will be refurbished also?
They need refurbing definitely. But 3704 sounds like its on its way out. I hope its goodbye Darts myself. Horrible s☆★☆★☆d things lol
Quote from: Nathan on April 08, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
And I wonder where the tamworth citylinx b9tls will end up. Four or so would be perfect to upgrade the 74/75 both of which can have standing loads in the peaks
Are there any other routes that the B9TL's can go onto at Tamworth?
Maybe the others will be 'spares' allocated to other Cannock Routes maybe with standard spec interior?
Wouldn't of thought theyd be needed on locals. Or the 116. Dunno about the lichfield tamworth Nuneaton service
Quote from: Nathan on April 08, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
And I wonder where the tamworth citylinx b9tls will end up. Four or so would be perfect to upgrade the 74/75 both of which can have standing loads in the peaks
Are there any other routes that the B9TL's can go onto at Tamworth?
Maybe the others will be 'spares' allocated to other Cannock Routes maybe with standard spec interior?
I'd have thought they may go to Leicester or Derby
Yea probably. Theyve got an aversion to operating deckers at cannock. Even though the staffords are probably their busiest interurban route.
10 Enviro400's are also due for South Wigston services 47/48 later this year, sadly not sapphire though :(
The streetlite in Leicester isn't too bad but it's not the best for comfort.
Comfort? As in what legroom
The figure of 18 might be incorrect. Arriva were present at a meeting at cannock chase council and it was stated that they have/will be investing in 14 new buses this year, seven for pye greens and seven gor the cannock to walsall route. That would suggest that only the 1 is being upgraded. It would make sense as well. Why would they be putting brand new 45 seat full size buses on the 2/2A both of which often dont even half fill an mpd?
Interestingly in the meeting minutes its noted that concerns were raised about the 'punctuality and particularly reliability of some of the vehicles used'. Doesn't say what arriva said in response though....
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
And I wonder where the tamworth citylinx b9tls will end up. Four or so would be perfect to upgrade the 74/75 both of which can have standing loads in the peaks
I do agree with that. The one I went on Saturday was a standing load too
Id say that the staffords are busier than other routes they use or waste them on. Busier than the 10 in wolves. And busier than the 7 in lichfield which often used to get a decker and I believe sometimes still does. And busier than the 110 a fair bit of the time. In fact ive been on it loads of times in the supposedly busiest Sutton section and the top decks always been nearly empty
Quote from: bob on April 09, 2014, 12:23:56 AM
The figure of 18 might be incorrect. Arriva were present at a meeting at cannock chase council and it was stated that they have/will be investing in 14 new buses this year, seven for pye greens and seven gor the cannock to walsall route. That would suggest that only the 1 is being upgraded. It would make sense as well. Why would they be putting brand new 45 seat full size buses on the 2/2A both of which often dont even half fill an mpd?
Interestingly in the meeting minutes its noted that concerns were raised about the 'punctuality and particularly reliability of some of the vehicles used'. Doesn't say what arriva said in response though....
Hmmm,
I wonder if they're intending to ship the Commanders out of Cannock that have only recently upgraded the Pye Greens once the Streetlites arrive? If that is the case the Streetlites aren't going to make as big an impact in terms of seeing off elderly unreliable Darts
Is it not possible,or even likely,that there will be a new 30 minute service Stafford-Cannock-Walsall with additional 30 minute shorts Cannock- Walsall making a 15 minute Walsall- Cannock section with the whole thing being Sapphirised (if there is such a word).
This would require possibly the 18 buses quoted.
Are those 236 new buses all that Arriva are ordering during 2014?
Based on a fleet strength of 5,900 buses that's pretty poor, at those quantities it implies a 25 year vehicle life. Realistically, the quantity of new buses required to keep up with other groups should be more in the region of 450 new buses.
That level of investment is someway behind Arriva's peers i.e. Stagecoach, First Group & NX
I don'think 18 streetlites will be placed at cannock, atleast 9 will, 5 for the 1, 4 2/2A, friend of mine in the know has told me that 2209/2268/2274/2276/2277 will be staying
Which will be goin then
I'm guessing 2264, 89,90,91,92,93 or they could go stafford and replace Y reg darts there
They have the Decker on the 7's in Burton because of the schools.
I think a couple of more Deckers cascaded from Tamworth perhaps would be welcome at Burton because the number 1 Burton-Uttoxeter often gets an uncomfortable looking standing load...
So do the 74/5.... but to be fair burton cant have deemed deckers necessary as theyve only got two left..
Weren't the Ex London VLW's 4015-4018 at Burton shipped off to Derby as they were unreliable?
Yes and exchanged with four 58 plates at derby. But two went back to derby.
Reason two of them went back to Derby was because they had an increase in PVR for deckers.
Yea but if burton had a definite need for them two more couldve been drafted in from somewhere
Quote from: arrivaaston on April 09, 2014, 12:01:04 PM
I don'think 18 streetlites will be placed at cannock, atleast 9 will, 5 for the 1, 4 2/2A, friend of mine in the know has told me that 2209/2268/2274/2276/2277 will be staying
reported elsewhere 6 cannock (sapphire) 6 Shrewsbury 6 thurmaston.
So the 2/2a arent bein upgraded then. That would make sense why would they waste money on a dead route? Maybe if Shrewsbury are getting 6 theyll be for the 64/164/X64
Six for Thurmaston? Do they even have any routes with a PVR of six?
Maybe theyre just for general use? On another note will wednesfield ever get any half decent buses? Or will it be a shed dumping ground perpetuating a naff image for arriva forever?
Quote from: stuartn on April 12, 2014, 02:24:34 PM
Six for Thurmaston? Do they even have any routes with a PVR of six?
maybe for 26/27/28 (6 buses) which had been trialling 3999 against long versas 3691-5 ?
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 13, 2014, 11:21:19 PM
Quote from: stuartn on April 12, 2014, 02:24:34 PM
Six for Thurmaston? Do they even have any routes with a PVR of six?
maybe for 26/27/28 (6 buses) which had been trialling 3999 against long versas 3691-5 ?
What about the 53 and/or 56?
Quote from: John on April 14, 2014, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 13, 2014, 11:21:19 PM
Quote from: stuartn on April 12, 2014, 02:24:34 PM
Six for Thurmaston? Do they even have any routes with a PVR of six?
maybe for 26/27/28 (6 buses) which had been trialling 3999 against long versas 3691-5 ?
What about the 53 and/or 56?
They could be then allow 3999 and the versas to be used on other routes like the 56 and 51?
The 53/53a is seven buses (usually commanders) and the 56 has two buses (usually darts).
Quote from: stuartn on April 14, 2014, 01:37:09 PM
Quote from: John on April 14, 2014, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 13, 2014, 11:21:19 PM
Quote from: stuartn on April 12, 2014, 02:24:34 PM
Six for Thurmaston? Do they even have any routes with a PVR of six?
maybe for 26/27/28 (6 buses) which had been trialling 3999 against long versas 3691-5 ?
What about the 53 and/or 56?
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They could be then allow 3999 and the versas to be used on other routes like the 56 and 51?
The 53/53a is seven buses (usually commanders) and the 56 has two buses (usually darts).
Thanks Stuart. Another possibility could be the 53/A been upgraded to Streetlite operation with 3999 and 6 new ones
Quote from: Nathan on April 08, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
And I wonder where the tamworth citylinx b9tls will end up. Four or so would be perfect to upgrade the 74/75 both of which can have standing loads in the peaks
Are there any other routes that the B9TL's can go onto at Tamworth?
Maybe the others will be 'spares' allocated to other Cannock Routes maybe with standard spec interior?
One of them (4207) is in service in Leicester today ironically on a Sapphire route, the 31
Theyll go anywhere but cannock tony :)
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan on April 08, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
And I wonder where the tamworth citylinx b9tls will end up. Four or so would be perfect to upgrade the 74/75 both of which can have standing loads in the peaks
Are there any other routes that the B9TL's can go onto at Tamworth?
Maybe the others will be 'spares' allocated to other Cannock Routes maybe with standard spec interior?
One of them (4207) is in service in Leicester today ironically on a Sapphire route, the 31
does that mean 4008 has been at Tamworth today the unbranded sapphire bus ?
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 14, 2014, 06:52:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan on April 08, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
And I wonder where the tamworth citylinx b9tls will end up. Four or so would be perfect to upgrade the 74/75 both of which can have standing loads in the peaks
Are there any other routes that the B9TL's can go onto at Tamworth?
Maybe the others will be 'spares' allocated to other Cannock Routes maybe with standard spec interior?
One of them (4207) is in service in Leicester today ironically on a Sapphire route, the 31
does that mean 4008 has been at Tamworth today the unbranded sapphire bus ?
I never thought of that. Arriva could be doing one B9TL up at Tamworth like 4224 at Derby
I realise this is not about Arriva orders,but has anyone else noticed that the Arriva website no longer lists Oswestry in the midlands route search options.
Looking at the website I cannot see any Oswestry timetables available to download,presumably this is an oversight because ,other than the 2 group they are not on the Wales website either.
I heard rumour Arriva Oswestry depot was to shut and that services would move to Wrexham depot and the 70 to shrewsbury?
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
One of them (4207) is in service in Leicester today ironically on a Sapphire route, the 31
Back on the 110 today
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 11, 2014, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: arrivaaston on April 09, 2014, 12:01:04 PM
I don'think 18 streetlites will be placed at cannock, atleast 9 will, 5 for the 1, 4 2/2A, friend of mine in the know has told me that 2209/2268/2274/2276/2277 will be staying
reported elsewhere 6 cannock (sapphire) 6 Shrewsbury 6 thurmaston.
also reported elsewhere these are to take 28xx fleetnumbers.
2801-2806 THM 2807-2812 CK 2813-2818 SY
Ah, no wonder we've started to receive some of SY's buses at TF.
Quote from: arrivadays on April 25, 2014, 08:09:46 PM
Ah, no wonder we've started to receive some of SY's buses at TF.
its probably more due to the fact that SY has finally had the buses from OS it was due when the new pulsars arrived, but i could be wrong
reported elsewhere 6 cannock (sapphire) 6 Shrewsbury 6 thurmaston.
[/quote]also reported elsewhere these are to take 28xx fleetnumbers.
2801-2806 THM..... 2807-2812 CK sapphire. ...2813-2818 SY
[/quote]for completeness E40D's , are reported as being as follows:-
4901-4910 WS ......4911-4917 DY sapphire. ...4918-4926 TH sapphire
when are the new buses due entre service at Cannock & Tamworth
Quote from: Wolves256 on April 08, 2014, 09:28:51 PM
The order for 2014 was announced officially today:-
CONFIRMED ORDER 09/04/14
94 ADL Enviro 400 - 58/94
6 Midlands (Derby) - service 38 SAPPHIRE
10 Midlands (Tamworth) - service 110 SAPPHIRE
6 North East (Ashington) - service X18 MAX
6 North East (Ashington) - service X21/X22 SAPPHIRE
9 North West (Southport) - service 375/385
19 North West (Speke) -
2 Shires (Aylesbury) - service 280 SAPPHIRE
40 ADL Enviro 200 - 31/40
23 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - big in Wakefield
8 Yorkshire (Castleford)
70 Wright Streetlite Max MH - 79/70
18 - Midlands (Cannock) - service 1/2/2a SAPPHIRE
8 North East (Jesmond) - service 306
2 North East (Ashington) - service 35/35a
5 North East (Durham) - service 23
10 North East (Stockton) - service 5/5a SAPPHIRE
14 North East (Redcar) - service X3/X4 SAPPHIRE
11 Shires (Garston) - service 321 SAPPHIRE
11 S.Counties (?) -
Possible orders for Wales?
Some of these must be the shorter (standard) version...
27 Wright Streetlite MH - 0/27
5 Optare Versa - 5/5
5 Yorkshire Tiger
As you can see, still plenty to be confirmed!
Been looking through this again.
In terms of the North East-around 550 vehicles-and 51 coming this year, it looks as if Arriva are really trying to improve and up their game up here. Also those for the Durham 23 are certain to be standard length Streetlites.
I was also wondering if anyone could clarify what "service X18 MAX" means? I am aware it refers to the Newcastle to Berwick service (4 hour journey!!) but couldn't work out whether it was some sort of brand name or what?
Appreciate it's the wrong region but worth a try!!
To be honest, these orders look a bit of a poor deal so far for Wales/Shire Counties and areas like Southend etc. Midlands and North East have fared well though. Mind you, there are lots of S..KHN darts to replace, Olympians and particularly on routes like the X18, frequent upgrades are essential.
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 04, 2014, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: Wolves256 on April 08, 2014, 09:28:51 PM
The order for 2014 was announced officially today:-
CONFIRMED ORDER 09/04/14
94 ADL Enviro 400 - 58/94
6 Midlands (Derby) - service 38 SAPPHIRE
10 Midlands (Tamworth) - service 110 SAPPHIRE
6 North East (Ashington) - service X18 MAX
6 North East (Ashington) - service X21/X22 SAPPHIRE
9 North West (Southport) - service 375/385
19 North West (Speke) -
2 Shires (Aylesbury) - service 280 SAPPHIRE
40 ADL Enviro 200 - 31/40
23 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - big in Wakefield
8 Yorkshire (Castleford)
70 Wright Streetlite Max MH - 79/70
18 - Midlands (Cannock) - service 1/2/2a SAPPHIRE
8 North East (Jesmond) - service 306
2 North East (Ashington) - service 35/35a
5 North East (Durham) - service 23
10 North East (Stockton) - service 5/5a SAPPHIRE
14 North East (Redcar) - service X3/X4 SAPPHIRE
11 Shires (Garston) - service 321 SAPPHIRE
11 S.Counties (?) -
Possible orders for Wales?
Some of these must be the shorter (standard) version...
27 Wright Streetlite MH - 0/27
5 Optare Versa - 5/5
5 Yorkshire Tiger
As you can see, still plenty to be confirmed!
Been looking through this again.
In terms of the North East-around 550 vehicles-and 51 coming this year, it looks as if Arriva are really trying to improve and up their game up here. Also those for the Durham 23 are certain to be standard length Streetlites.
I was also wondering if anyone could clarify what "service X18 MAX" means? I am aware it refers to the Newcastle to Berwick service (4 hour journey!!) but couldn't work out whether it was some sort of brand name or what?
Appreciate it's the wrong region but worth a try!!
To be honest, these orders look a bit of a poor deal so far for Wales/Shire Counties and areas like Southend etc. Midlands and North East have fared well though. Mind you, there are lots of S..KHN darts to replace, Olympians and particularly on routes like the X18, frequent upgrades are essential.
Only 2 Olympians left at ANE I believe and both are withdrawn. Most of the S-KHN Darts left are at Darlington, guess there will be a cascade of vehicles from somewhere to replace these. Seems the MAX spec includes leather seats and Wi-fi but not clear how this compares to Sapphire spec.
Quote from: Cheese on May 04, 2014, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 04, 2014, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: Wolves256 on April 08, 2014, 09:28:51 PM
The order for 2014 was announced officially today:-
CONFIRMED ORDER 09/04/14
94 ADL Enviro 400 - 58/94
6 Midlands (Derby) - service 38 SAPPHIRE
10 Midlands (Tamworth) - service 110 SAPPHIRE
6 North East (Ashington) - service X18 MAX
6 North East (Ashington) - service X21/X22 SAPPHIRE
9 North West (Southport) - service 375/385
19 North West (Speke) -
2 Shires (Aylesbury) - service 280 SAPPHIRE
40 ADL Enviro 200 - 31/40
23 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - big in Wakefield
8 Yorkshire (Castleford)
70 Wright Streetlite Max MH - 79/70
18 - Midlands (Cannock) - service 1/2/2a SAPPHIRE
8 North East (Jesmond) - service 306
2 North East (Ashington) - service 35/35a
5 North East (Durham) - service 23
10 North East (Stockton) - service 5/5a SAPPHIRE
14 North East (Redcar) - service X3/X4 SAPPHIRE
11 Shires (Garston) - service 321 SAPPHIRE
11 S.Counties (?) -
Possible orders for Wales?
Some of these must be the shorter (standard) version...
27 Wright Streetlite MH - 0/27
5 Optare Versa - 5/5
5 Yorkshire Tiger
As you can see, still plenty to be confirmed!
Been looking through this again.
In terms of the North East-around 550 vehicles-and 51 coming this year, it looks as if Arriva are really trying to improve and up their game up here. Also those for the Durham 23 are certain to be standard length Streetlites.
I was also wondering if anyone could clarify what "service X18 MAX" means? I am aware it refers to the Newcastle to Berwick service (4 hour journey!!) but couldn't work out whether it was some sort of brand name or what?
Appreciate it's the wrong region but worth a try!!
To be honest, these orders look a bit of a poor deal so far for Wales/Shire Counties and areas like Southend etc. Midlands and North East have fared well though. Mind you, there are lots of S..KHN darts to replace, Olympians and particularly on routes like the X18, frequent upgrades are essential.
Only 2 Olympians left at ANE I believe and both are withdrawn. Most of the S-KHN Darts left are at Darlington, guess there will be a cascade of vehicles from somewhere to replace these. Seems the MAX spec includes leather seats and Wi-fi but not clear how this compares to Sapphire spec.
There are at least 6 at Ashington and yes the KHN's are at Darlington along with some Mark 1 Dart/slf's which look in a state. I imagine the cascade will involve Durham vehicles off the 23 same with vehicles from the significant number being put into Redcar. Darts or solo's will most likely transfer to Darlington where arriva should be making some money.
I didn't know it included those so thanks for the info. Tbh that route needs it...
The "MAX" offering is one step down from "Sapphire", intended to upgrade service levels on the interurban routes. As stated it offers leather seating and free wi-fi, but without the dedicated drivers, power points etc.
It will be introduced first on the X10/X11 Blyth-Newcastle express services, then rolled out on the X14/14's, X15, X18 later in the year, X14 with ADL E400's converted, X15 is getting cascaded coaches (from Shires??) and X18 new ADL E400. The X10/X11 will be launched on the existing branded VDL Geminis. The livery is due to be a sort of opposite to Sapphire, with the colours swapped around, similar to the example shown on the E200 mock-up for Arriva Yorkshire's Wakefield network.
Quote from: tyresmoke on May 07, 2014, 12:29:28 PM
The "MAX" offering is one step down from "Sapphire", intended to upgrade service levels on the interurban routes. As stated it offers leather seating and free wi-fi, but without the dedicated drivers, power points etc.
It will be introduced first on the X10/X11 Blyth-Newcastle express services, then rolled out on the X14/14's, X15, X18 later in the year, X14 with ADL E400's converted, X15 is getting cascaded coaches (from Shires??) and X18 new ADL E400. The X10/X11 will be launched on the existing branded VDL Geminis. The livery is due to be a sort of opposite to Sapphire, with the colours swapped around, similar to the example shown on the E200 mock-up for Arriva Yorkshire's Wakefield network.
Thanks for that tyresmoke-really, really useful. And welcome to a new member!! :)
I know a lot of the current e400's in Newcastle are currently off for refurb but I didn't know they intended to up their game that much. The X15 really does need coaches on there, as do the 85, 685, X85 routes down South. Certainly ANE is getting a bit of an upgrade this year!!
Do you have a link to this Arriva Yorkshire e200 as I can't seem to find it...
Thanks!
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 12:58:08 PM
Quote from: tyresmoke on May 07, 2014, 12:29:28 PM
The "MAX" offering is one step down from "Sapphire", intended to upgrade service levels on the interurban routes. As stated it offers leather seating and free wi-fi, but without the dedicated drivers, power points etc.
It will be introduced first on the X10/X11 Blyth-Newcastle express services, then rolled out on the X14/14's, X15, X18 later in the year, X14 with ADL E400's converted, X15 is getting cascaded coaches (from Shires??) and X18 new ADL E400. The X10/X11 will be launched on the existing branded VDL Geminis. The livery is due to be a sort of opposite to Sapphire, with the colours swapped around, similar to the example shown on the E200 mock-up for Arriva Yorkshire's Wakefield network.
Thanks for that tyresmoke-really, really useful. And welcome to a new member!! :)
I know a lot of the current e400's in Newcastle are currently off for refurb but I didn't know they intended to up their game that much. The X15 really does need coaches on there, as do the 85, 685, X85 routes down South. Certainly ANE is getting a bit of an upgrade this year!!
Do you have a link to this Arriva Yorkshire e200 as I can't seem to find it...
Thanks!
Here it is
That livery looks very nice, definitely a pleasant change from 'interurban'.
The first Sapphire E400 for Wales' Rhyl depot has turned up - see photo here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/cymrucoastliner/14112508577/in/photostream/) (not mine)
Also, Ive updated the Orders list on the North East Buses forum (http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=940&pid=37677#pid37677) to include the first few deliveries
Why dont they have coach seats on both floors like stagecoach gold deckers? It looks odd lol
Quote from: Bob on May 29, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
Why dont they have coach seats on both floors like stagecoach gold deckers? It looks odd lol
Guess they're better confined to the upper deck where there is more room... The lower deck would be dark and cramped with these seats in tbh
Thanks for the updates though tyresmoke!
Dunno about cramped? As long as legroom was ok? Would be more comfortable tho
Sapphire Streelite
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14571777903/
Nice looking livery but a hideously ugly bus
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 03:20:23 PM
Nice looking livery but a hideously ugly bus
I'm going to have to disagree with that one, I quite like DF Streetlites. I would however agree if were talking the WF Streetlites ;)
Have you seen some of the reviews of the first Sheffield ones? Rattly noisy very unreliable loud comptessors etc...wonder if theyll be any better than cannocks Sb200s? Although theyre not particularly good buses sapphire versions might have been better for the 1. Ive seen videos of them on YouTube. Pretty unpleasant sounding things compared with the latest volvos/citaros etc. And lightweight too lol
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 03:36:41 PM
Have you seen some of the reviews of the first Sheffield ones? Rattly noisy very unreliable loud comptessors etc...wonder if theyll be any better than cannocks Sb200s? Although theyre not particularly good buses sapphire versions might have been better for the 1. Ive seen videos of them on YouTube. Pretty unpleasant sounding things compared with the latest volvos/citaros etc. And lightweight too lol
Reviews by who? Passengers or the FSY staff? I doubt they're that bad otherwise First wouldn't be buying 274 more of them. First don't normally scrimp on new bus purchases. I've never been on an SB200 to be able to comment.
Passengers I think. I thought streetlite's were cheap compared to other vehicles
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 04:48:17 PM
Passengers I think. I thought streetlite's were cheap compared to other vehicles
No idea how much they cost compared to anything else, they are far more fuel efficient than full size single deckers such as the B7RLE due to being far lighter in weight.
No need to be personal...if arriva farted maybe your head might come out of their rear end :)
I was looking at this pic https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/ and I wondered if Wigston are still due some normal spec new Enviro400s along with the Sapphires for Tamworth and Derby?
The link only goes to the photostream & not the
PHoto
Quote from: Winston on July 05, 2014, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 04:48:17 PM
Passengers I think. I thought streetlite's were cheap compared to other vehicles
No idea how much they cost compared to anything else, they are far more fuel efficient than full size single deckers such as the B7RLE due to being far lighter in weight.
Although people keep saying first usually only go for higher end stuff quality wise could it not be that as they're like perennially skint theyve tightened their belts a bit?
Quote from: Bob on July 07, 2014, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 05, 2014, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 04:48:17 PM
Passengers I think. I thought streetlite's were cheap compared to other vehicles
No idea how much they cost compared to anything else, they are far more fuel efficient than full size single deckers such as the B7RLE due to being far lighter in weight.
Although people keep saying first usually only go for higher end stuff quality wise could it not be that as they're like perennially skint theyve tightened their belts a bit?
First have pushing manufacturers to develop lightweight / more fuel efficient vehicles for years. Whether the DF Max is on a par with B7RLE/Wright remains to be seen over the coming years. If First needed to costs of the new buses they wouldn't have specified high spec interiors with leather seats / Wifi as standard. First are alright for money for the next couple of years on the basis that nothing else goes wrong and bus & First Student profits continue to rise. If First fail to retain Scotrail later this year, that may well cause them problems and it has been suggested that they may have to tap the City up for more funds or make further larger disposals to pay down debt.
Which could see things like Manchester, Leeds or even Glasgow up for sale...or even worst case first grouptap a whole?
Werent the Scottish govt thinking of taking scotrail into public ownership? Hope they do. None of the railways should ever have been sold off. Even mrs T wasnt stupid enough to think rail privatisation was a good idea lol
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 07, 2014, 03:22:30 PM
Which could see things like Manchester, Leeds or even Glasgow up for sale...or even worst case first grouptap a whole?
Not necessarily, they could put 'Greyhound' up for sale which is non-core which would raise in excess of £600 Million. But it is profitable & would effect group results. I'd leave the large UK bus & First Students subsidiaries un-touched if worst came to the worst.
Quote from: Bob on July 07, 2014, 03:24:35 PM
Werent the Scottish govt thinking of taking scotrail into public ownership? Hope they do. None of the railways should ever have been sold off. Even mrs T wasnt stupid enough to think rail privatisation was a good idea lol
Not that I'm aware of, the franchise is being re-let this year, NX are bidding for it & have recruited former First Scotrail MD Mary Grant to bid for it & run it if they are successful. She won it for First from NX originally.
Thats a shame. Apparently since the east coast has been publicly run satisfaction etc is much higher than the private franchises
Quote from: Bob on July 07, 2014, 04:33:56 PM
Thats a shame. Apparently since the east coast has been publicly run satisfaction etc is much higher than the private franchises
Except the one run by National Express, C2C, which beat East Coast with a 92% satisfaction rating!
Ill give you that one tony haha..:) seriously though it doesbt mean public ownership's a bad thing
Quote from: John on July 07, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
I was looking at this pic https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/ and I wondered if Wigston are still due some normal spec new Enviro400s along with the Sapphires for Tamworth and Derby?
Quote from: Solo1 on July 07, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
The link only goes to the photostream & not the
PHoto
Sorry, if you have not found it, here it is
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14522381241/
This is either the rear end of the same bus above or another one
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14519324624/
I wonder which Arriva operation these are for
Quote from: John on July 07, 2014, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: John on July 07, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
I was looking at this pic https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/ and I wondered if Wigston are still due some normal spec new Enviro400s along with the Sapphires for Tamworth and Derby?
Quote from: Solo1 on July 07, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
The link only goes to the photostream & not the
PHoto
Sorry, if you have not found it, here it is
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14522381241/
This is either the rear end of the same bus above or another one
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14519324624/
I wonder which Arriva operation these are for
The South Wigston E400's are apparently being built at Falkirk so it could be them although they're not due until around September according to drivers.
Quote from: Bob on July 07, 2014, 04:33:56 PM
Thats a shame. Apparently since the east coast has been publicly run satisfaction etc is much higher than the private franchises
By all accounts ECML is doing well publicly controlled. NX sets its growth targets/payments way too high to win the franchise & know one foresaw the credit crunch & subsequent recession coming.....
I went to Blackpool the weekend .blackpools buses all look well kept and smartly painted
. I wonder if they do well as a publicly owned firm
Quote from: Bob on July 08, 2014, 05:56:26 PM
I went to Blackpool the weekend .blackpools buses all look well kept and smartly painted
. I wonder if they do well as a publicly owned firm
Download their accounts off Companies House for £1
I know Nottingham and Lothian both are pretty highly regarded . Public ownership isnt always the best option though but it shouldn't be discounted in the way the conservatives do
Quote from: John on July 07, 2014, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: John on July 07, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
I was looking at this pic https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/ and I wondered if Wigston are still due some normal spec new Enviro400s along with the Sapphires for Tamworth and Derby?
Quote from: Solo1 on July 07, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
The link only goes to the photostream & not the
PHoto
Sorry, if you have not found it, here it is
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14522381241/
This is either the rear end of the same bus above or another one
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14519324624/
I wonder which Arriva operation these are for
These could be for Speke depot in Merseyside, they are due 19 Enviro400s and according to one of the guys that works there, they're due to start arriving this week.
Quote from: stuartn on July 08, 2014, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: John on July 07, 2014, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: John on July 07, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
I was looking at this pic https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/ and I wondered if Wigston are still due some normal spec new Enviro400s along with the Sapphires for Tamworth and Derby?
Quote from: Solo1 on July 07, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
The link only goes to the photostream & not the
PHoto
Sorry, if you have not found it, here it is
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14522381241/
This is either the rear end of the same bus above or another one
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14519324624/
I wonder which Arriva operation these are for
The South Wigston E400's are apparently being built at Falkirk so it could be them although they're not due until around September according to drivers.
Are the Sapphire ones still due this month or have they been put back to September too?
according to derby bus depot website , Derby's are due this month to enter service in August :-
4400 YY 14 LHD
4401 YY 14 LHE
4402 YY 14 LHF
4403 YY 14 LHG
4404 YY 14 LHH
4405 YY 14 LHJ
4406 YY 14 LHK
The first sapphire is ready (YY14LHD) with the others not too far behind.
Posted at the same time as above comment!
Quote from: tphi12000 on July 09, 2014, 10:43:08 AM
according to derby bus depot website , Derby's are due this month to enter service in August :-
4400 YY 14 LHD
4401 YY 14 LHE
4402 YY 14 LHF
4403 YY 14 LHG
4404 YY 14 LHH
4405 YY 14 LHJ
4406 YY 14 LHK
The site also says that one of the Gemini's will be refurbished to Sapphire spec for a peak extra bus
First Derby Sapphire buses to be delivered w/c 21/07 and the rest the week after.
Tamworth to follow and Wigston in Sept.
Cannocks are sept too arent they
Anyone think the 74/5 at cannock could be future candidates for a sapphire upgrade?
Quote from: Bob on July 13, 2014, 11:16:53 AM
Anyone think the 74/5 at cannock could be future candidates for a sapphire upgrade?
If so i would transfer the B9TL's from either Derby or Tamworth (Both will be displaced by Sapphire Spec E400's) and deploy them on the 74/5.
I don't think cannock will ever see a decker again unfortunately
Quote from: John on July 09, 2014, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: tphi12000 on July 09, 2014, 10:43:08 AM
according to derby bus depot website , Derby's are due this month to enter service in August :-
4400 YY 14 LHD
4401 YY 14 LHE
4402 YY 14 LHF
4403 YY 14 LHG
4404 YY 14 LHH
4405 YY 14 LHJ
4406 YY 14 LHK
The site also says that one of the Gemini's will be refurbished to Sapphire spec for a peak extra bus
The complete list of this years new orders for Midlands are
Derby - as above
Tamworth 4407-15 (E400)
Wigston 4416-25 (E400)
Cannock 3301-9 (Streetlites)
Shrewsbury 3310-2 (Streetlites)
Thurmaston 3313-8 (Streetlites)
4407-25 are being built in Falkirk, so will have Scottish registration
3301-18 are due for delivery in September
The Derby and Tamworth vehicles displaced by Sapphire buses are going to Wigston
Thought so. I knew cannock wouldn't get any lol theyll just continue with overcrowded busier routes!
By the number of streetlites cannock is getting it looks like the 2/2a are definitely included in the sapphire upgrade. Surprising...
Since the new Streetlites are now being numbered in the 33xx series and not 28xx as originally mooted does this mean they will be the longer version?
Quote from: arrifirststage on July 16, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
Since the new Streetlites are now being numbered in the 33xx series and not 28xx as originally mooted does this mean they will be the longer version?
they have always been Streeltlite max's due for Midlands as far a I'm aware which is why the report showing 28xx was teated with suspicion.
Im guessing that 3999 will be re-numbered 3300 now they have there own series.
Thurmaston Streetlite 3317 at Heysham on Wednesday
https://www.flickr.com/photos/uktransportimages/14954964038
Cannock's 3306 a few weeks ago
https://www.flickr.com/photos/uktransportimages/14931903748/
Quote from: williamposh on July 15, 2014, 07:49:20 PM
The Derby and Tamworth vehicles displaced by Sapphire buses are going to Wigston
Are you sure as my friend who works at cannock says they are definately having 4 tamworth deckers??
Quote from: busman99 on September 05, 2014, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: williamposh on July 15, 2014, 07:49:20 PM
The Derby and Tamworth vehicles displaced by Sapphire buses are going to Wigston
Are you sure as my friend who works at cannock says they are definately having 4 tamworth deckers??
That message was from way back in July WilliamPosh has confirmed plans changed and 4 are now for Cannock
Its about time! After years theyve actually realised that the staffords require deckers
@bob unless they're for Pye Greens?? :-)
I bet theyd be used on there from time to time. I tell you what's a bit strange though, historically staffords have been busy with people going to and from the hospital but new cross shortly take over cannock hospital so all the people who currently go to stafford will mainly be going to wolves...maybe the 68 will get an upgrade :-p
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: busman99 on September 05, 2014, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: williamposh on July 15, 2014, 07:49:20 PM
The Derby and Tamworth vehicles displaced by Sapphire buses are going to Wigston
Are you sure as my friend who works at cannock says they are definately having 4 tamworth deckers??
That message was from way back in July WilliamPosh has confirmed plans changed and 4 are now for Cannock
4200,1,2,3 are for Cannock, the rest for Wigston
Registrations, Chassis numbers and body numbers of Wigston's Sapphire Enviro 400s (4416-25) are now on this page.
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4001-9599.html
Quote from: Bob on September 05, 2014, 01:48:36 PM
I bet theyd be used on there from time to time. I tell you what's a bit strange though, historically staffords have been busy with people going to and from the hospital but new cross shortly take over cannock hospital so all the people who currently go to stafford will mainly be going to wolves...maybe the 68 will get an upgrade :-p
Is there likely to be a timetable change on the 68 at some point?
There isn't much of an evening service from what I remember reading.(Is there a Sunday service?)
There's not a sunday service no. The evening service is quite handy if your out for a few pints in wolves as it runs later back than thge 70
Quote from: Bob on September 17, 2014, 12:38:23 AM
There's not a sunday service no. The evening service is quite handy if your out for a few pints in wolves as it runs later back than thge 70
There's only a ten minute difference between the last 70 and 68 off Wolvertrampton. The frequency of the evening 68 is warranted because of the low patronage
Does anyone know when Telford's new StreetLites will be in service?
Quote from: Ashley on September 17, 2014, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: Bob on September 17, 2014, 12:38:23 AM
There's not a sunday service no. The evening service is quite handy if your out for a few pints in wolves as it runs later back than thge 70
There's only a ten minute difference between the last 70 and 68 off Wolvertrampton. The frequency of the evening 68 is warranted because of the low patronage
I thought the last 68 was just before 11 and the last 70 around 2245 only goes as far as Featherstone
Quote from: Bob on September 17, 2014, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: Ashley on September 17, 2014, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: Bob on September 17, 2014, 12:38:23 AM
There's not a sunday service no. The evening service is quite handy if your out for a few pints in wolves as it runs later back than thge 70
There's only a ten minute difference between the last 70 and 68 off Wolvertrampton. The frequency of the evening 68 is warranted because of the low patronage
I thought the last 68 was just before 11 and the last 70 around 2245 only goes as far as Featherstone
The last 68 is 2255 yes, the last 70 is 2235 and does go to Cannock
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2014, 06:46:14 PM
Registrations, Chassis numbers and body numbers of Wigston's Sapphire Enviro 400s (4416-25) are now on this page.
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4001-9599.html
Are you sure about them being sapphire spec? As far as I'm aware they're just standard E400's unless plans changed?
Ahhh. I had problems getting the timetable up. I did get one up from another site and it said Featherstone. Maybe its outa date lol
Still, its a extra 15 min beer time :-p
Quote from: Bob on September 17, 2014, 11:15:31 AM
Ahhh. I had problems getting the timetable up. I did get one up from another site and it said Featherstone. Maybe its outa date lol
Last one from Cannock is at 2245 at that terminates at Featherstone. Probably that one you were looking at? Last one from Wolves has gone through to Cannock for a good while I believe.
Quote from: stuartn on September 17, 2014, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2014, 06:46:14 PM
Registrations, Chassis numbers and body numbers of Wigston's Sapphire Enviro 400s (4416-25) are now on this page.
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4001-9599.html
Are you sure about them being sapphire spec? As far as I'm aware they're just standard E400's unless plans changed?
Sorry, yes not Sapphire, photos of the first one on the main site now
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4417.html
Quote from: Tony on September 17, 2014, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: stuartn on September 17, 2014, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2014, 06:46:14 PM
Registrations, Chassis numbers and body numbers of Wigston's Sapphire Enviro 400s (4416-25) are now on this page.
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4001-9599.html
Are you sure about them being sapphire spec? As far as I'm aware they're just standard E400's unless plans changed?
Sorry, yes not Sapphire, photos of the first one on the main site now
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4417.html
Photo taken at Thurmaston not Wigston. Buses are for Wigston
Is there a date for the cannock streetlites entering service yet?
Quote from: Bob on September 17, 2014, 11:58:57 PM
Is there a date for the cannock streetlites entering service yet?
At a guess the end of October when there are some service changes to the 1, 2/2A?
Are they advertised anywhere?
Quote from: Cheese on September 18, 2014, 07:25:51 AM
Quote from: Bob on September 17, 2014, 11:58:57 PM
Is there a date for the cannock streetlites entering service yet?
At a guess the end of October when there are some service changes to the 1, 2/2A?
what is the service changes?
Cannot see much for the Midlands here
Arriva UK Bus is investing £45m in new buses over the next 12 months. The operator is implementing a three stage roll out of over 230 new carbon efficient vehicles, which are expected to improve service provision across both new and existing routes nationwide. It is investing in: 165 ADL Enviro400s, 11 ADL Enviro200s, 12 Wrightbus 10.8m StreetLite Midi Hybrids, 34 Wrightbus 11.5m StreetLite Max Hybrids, four Wrightbus 8.8m StreetLite Micro Hybrids and six Optare 8.8m Solos.
The first wave of investment will see 62 ADL Enviro400s go into service across the north west. Each will be fitted to Arriva's standard spec with e-Leather seating, CCTV and free Wi-Fi. They are intended to reinforce capacity on key city routes, whilst also freeing up the one and two year old single deckers for refurbishment and redeployment elsewhere in its Midlands, south east and north east operations. A further 47 Enviro400's will enter service in the north west in the latter half of the year. The following stage, due to launch in the autumn, will see six premium Sapphire and two inter-urban express MAX routes bolstered by the introduction of a further 56 Enviro400s.
A further 28 buses, built to Sapphire's exacting specification, including e-leather seating, power points and extra leg room, are on route for use on Durham's route6 and in Northfleet. These will be Wrightbus StreetLite Maxs with Cummins Euro5 engines and Wrightbus' Micro Hybrid Technology. The remainder of the investment will include the addition of 12 Wrightbus Hybrid StreetLite Midi vehicles for use in the Southern Counties. The Wrexham, Rhyl and Luton depots will then receive a fleet of ADL Enviro200s, which utilise a new automated manual transmission (AMT) designed to cut fuel consumption and emissions by around 13%
One and two year old what for the midlands? More pulsars :-(
Quote from: Bob on March 04, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
One and two year old what for the midlands? More pulsars :-(
What is wrong with a nearly new Pulsar?
Not exactly brilliant are they? If the state of some of the ex NW ones in cannock is anything to go by..at least two of the five were breaking down in their first couple of days in service and 3809 is pretty bad. Maybe the midlands will become Pulsar heaven. That said theyre a little bit better than streetlites. Wonder where theyre going to concentrate them? And what theyll replace.
More Pulsars for the midlands... Will suit me fine :)
So Arriva are spending £45 Million on 230 new buses for a fleet of circa 5900 buses.
Whilst NX group are spending £34 million on a fleet of 171 new buses for NXWM's fleet of circa 1526 buses.
It certainly makes NX's levels of investment all the more impressive.
Quote from: Tony on March 04, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
Cannot see much for the Midlands here
Arriva UK Bus is investing £45m in new buses over the next 12 months. The operator is implementing a three stage roll out of over 230 new carbon efficient vehicles, which are expected to improve service provision across both new and existing routes nationwide. It is investing in: 165 ADL Enviro400s, 11 ADL Enviro200s, 12 Wrightbus 10.8m StreetLite Midi Hybrids, 34 Wrightbus 11.5m StreetLite Max Hybrids, four Wrightbus 8.8m StreetLite Micro Hybrids and six Optare 8.8m Solos.
The first wave of investment will see 62 ADL Enviro400s go into service across the north west. Each will be fitted to Arriva's standard spec with e-Leather seating, CCTV and free Wi-Fi. They are intended to reinforce capacity on key city routes, whilst also freeing up the one and two year old single deckers for refurbishment and redeployment elsewhere in its Midlands, south east and north east operations. A further 47 Enviro400's will enter service in the north west in the latter half of the year. The following stage, due to launch in the autumn, will see six premium Sapphire and two inter-urban express MAX routes bolstered by the introduction of a further 56 Enviro400s.
A further 28 buses, built to Sapphire's exacting specification, including e-leather seating, power points and extra leg room, are on route for use on Durham's route6 and in Northfleet. These will be Wrightbus StreetLite Maxs with Cummins Euro5 engines and Wrightbus' Micro Hybrid Technology. The remainder of the investment will include the addition of 12 Wrightbus Hybrid StreetLite Midi vehicles for use in the Southern Counties. The Wrexham, Rhyl and Luton depots will then receive a fleet of ADL Enviro200s, which utilise a new automated manual transmission (AMT) designed to cut fuel consumption and emissions by around 13%
This whole order seems pretty few.........I must admit I would have thought that 232 buses would be for the North West alone,never mind the other fleets.
Makes you wonder if Arriva plan any retrenchment anywhere,possibly starting with Wardles?
Get rid of Wardles?
Quote from: arrifirststage on March 05, 2015, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on March 04, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
Cannot see much for the Midlands here
Arriva UK Bus is investing £45m in new buses over the next 12 months. The operator is implementing a three stage roll out of over 230 new carbon efficient vehicles, which are expected to improve service provision across both new and existing routes nationwide. It is investing in: 165 ADL Enviro400s, 11 ADL Enviro200s, 12 Wrightbus 10.8m StreetLite Midi Hybrids, 34 Wrightbus 11.5m StreetLite Max Hybrids, four Wrightbus 8.8m StreetLite Micro Hybrids and six Optare 8.8m Solos.
The first wave of investment will see 62 ADL Enviro400s go into service across the north west. Each will be fitted to Arriva's standard spec with e-Leather seating, CCTV and free Wi-Fi. They are intended to reinforce capacity on key city routes, whilst also freeing up the one and two year old single deckers for refurbishment and redeployment elsewhere in its Midlands, south east and north east operations. A further 47 Enviro400's will enter service in the north west in the latter half of the year. The following stage, due to launch in the autumn, will see six premium Sapphire and two inter-urban express MAX routes bolstered by the introduction of a further 56 Enviro400s.
A further 28 buses, built to Sapphire's exacting specification, including e-leather seating, power points and extra leg room, are on route for use on Durham's route6 and in Northfleet. These will be Wrightbus StreetLite Maxs with Cummins Euro5 engines and Wrightbus' Micro Hybrid Technology. The remainder of the investment will include the addition of 12 Wrightbus Hybrid StreetLite Midi vehicles for use in the Southern Counties. The Wrexham, Rhyl and Luton depots will then receive a fleet of ADL Enviro200s, which utilise a new automated manual transmission (AMT) designed to cut fuel consumption and emissions by around 13%
This whole order seems pretty few.........I must admit I would have thought that 232 buses would be for the North West alone,never mind the other fleets.
Makes you wonder if Arriva plan any retrenchment anywhere,possibly starting with Wardles?
Also noticeable is the absence of any Wright Streetdeck order.Is this because there has been insufficient time to test the Derby example so far or ..................
Quote from: arrifirststage on March 05, 2015, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on March 04, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
Cannot see much for the Midlands here
Arriva UK Bus is investing £45m in new buses over the next 12 months. The operator is implementing a three stage roll out of over 230 new carbon efficient vehicles, which are expected to improve service provision across both new and existing routes nationwide. It is investing in: 165 ADL Enviro400s, 11 ADL Enviro200s, 12 Wrightbus 10.8m StreetLite Midi Hybrids, 34 Wrightbus 11.5m StreetLite Max Hybrids, four Wrightbus 8.8m StreetLite Micro Hybrids and six Optare 8.8m Solos.
The first wave of investment will see 62 ADL Enviro400s go into service across the north west. Each will be fitted to Arriva's standard spec with e-Leather seating, CCTV and free Wi-Fi. They are intended to reinforce capacity on key city routes, whilst also freeing up the one and twio year old single deckers for refurbishment and redeployment elsewhere in its Midlands, south east and north east operations. A further 47 Enviro400's will enter service in the north west in the latter half of the year. The following stage, due to launch in the autumn, will see six premium Sapphire and two inter-urban express MAX routes bolstered by the introduction of a further 56 Enviro400s.
A further 28 buses, built to Sapphire's exacting specification, including e-leather seating, power points and extra leg room, are on route for use on Durham's route6 and in Northfleet. These will be Wrightbus StreetLite Maxs with Cummins Euro5 engines and Wrightbus' Micro Hybrid Technology. The remainder of the investment will include the addition of 12 Wrightbus Hybrid StreetLite Midi vehicles for use in the Southern Counties. The Wrexham, Rhyl and Luton depots will then receive a fleet of ADL Enviro200s, which utilise a new automated manual transmission (AMT) designed to cut fuel consumption and emissions by around 13%
This whole order seems pretty few.........I must admit I would have thought that 232 buses would be for the North West alone,never mind the other fleets.
Makes you wonder if Arriva plan any retrenchment anywhere,possibly starting with Wardles?
What does Wardles have to do with the group new bus order?
If the were looking to sell or close Wardles they wouldn't be buying new buses for it... But if they're keeping it then it doesn't justify new vehicles anyway!
Quote from: andy on March 05, 2015, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 04, 2015, 07:32:16 PM
So Arriva are spending £45 Million on 230 new buses for a fleet of circa 5900 buses.
Whilst NX group are spending £34 million on a fleet of 171 new buses for NXWM's fleet of circa 1526 buses.
It certainly makes NX's levels of investment all the more impressive.
Perhaps it says more about the amount of stuff that needs to be withdrawn before it falls to pieces/becomes non compliant with legislation?
Also don't forget that the West Midlands conurbation returns a far greater profit margin than most former NBC territories and always has done. Particularly when you have the local authorities in your pocket.
I would have thought Arriva still have more than 230 pre 2001 single deckers in the fleet which need to be either made DDA compliant or replaced this year, so looks like some conversions are planned.
230 buses a year gives a life expectancy of near 25 years which I cannot see a lot of Arriva vehicles managing, not because of Arriva, but just they are of lightweight design which generally have a shorter life
Quote from: andy on March 05, 2015, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 04, 2015, 07:32:16 PM
So Arriva are spending £45 Million on 230 new buses for a fleet of circa 5900 buses.
Whilst NX group are spending £34 million on a fleet of 171 new buses for NXWM's fleet of circa 1526 buses.
It certainly makes NX's levels of investment all the more impressive.
Perhaps it says more about the amount of stuff that needs to be withdrawn before it falls to pieces/becomes non compliant with legislation?
Also don't forget that the West Midlands conurbation returns a far greater profit margin than most former NBC territories and always has done. Particularly when you have the local authorities in your pocket.
NXWM only need to replace the following by the end of 2015:
15 x B6LE
16 x B10L
54 x Mercs
85 in total, so could have got away with ordering half what they actually have. Once they have gone, NXWM's oldest single deckers will be 56 plate B7RLE/Wright
The Presidents are complaint beyond 2017, with only Spectra's need to be withdrawn by the end of 2016
Quote from: andy on March 05, 2015, 11:59:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: andy on March 05, 2015, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 04, 2015, 07:32:16 PM
So Arriva are spending £45 Million on 230 new buses for a fleet of circa 5900 buses.
Whilst NX group are spending £34 million on a fleet of 171 new buses for NXWM's fleet of circa 1526 buses.
It certainly makes NX's levels of investment all the more impressive.
Perhaps it says more about the amount of stuff that needs to be withdrawn before it falls to pieces/becomes non compliant with legislation?
Also don't forget that the West Midlands conurbation returns a far greater profit margin than most former NBC territories and always has done. Particularly when you have the local authorities in your pocket.
NXWM only need to replace the following by the end of 2015:
15 x B6LE
16 x B10L
54 x Mercs
85 in total, so could have got away with ordering half what they actually have. Once they have gone, NXWM's oldest single deckers will be 56 plate B7RLE/Wright
The Presidents are complaint beyond 2017, with only Spectra's need to be withdrawn by the end of 2016
The Presidents may well be compliant beyond 2017 but God help us if they are still active in their current state.
They were comprehensively refurbished back in 2007/8 and are pretty immaculate inside...
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
Quote from: andy on March 05, 2015, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 04, 2015, 07:32:16 PM
So Arriva are spending £45 Million on 230 new buses for a fleet of circa 5900 buses.
Whilst NX group are spending £34 million on a fleet of 171 new buses for NXWM's fleet of circa 1526 buses.
It certainly makes NX's levels of investment all the more impressive.
Perhaps it says more about the amount of stuff that needs to be withdrawn before it falls to pieces/becomes non compliant with legislation?
Also don't forget that the West Midlands conurbation returns a far greater profit margin than most former NBC territories and always has done. Particularly when you have the local authorities in your pocket.
I would have thought Arriva still have more than 230 pre 2001 single deckers in the fleet which need to be either made DDA compliant or replaced this year, so looks like some conversions are planned.
230 buses a year gives a life expectancy of near 25 years which I cannot see a lot of Arriva vehicles managing, not because of Arriva, but just they are of lightweight design which generally have a shorter life
Couple of things to add on this one.
I broadly agree with the general consensus that this round of investment is nothing to get particularly excited about.
However, this investment seems to exclude the London fleet so the vehicles being replaced should be seen as a fraction of the regional fleet and not the overall, including London figure, as that will get "investment" through leased BorisMasters etc.
What should also be remembered is the ex London buses being cascaded out. My local route has ex Arriva London e200's on there, now fully refurbished etc. At only 5 years' old, their arrival replacing X reg darts is still a fairly decent investment, just not with brand new vehicles. If Arriva London continues to lose contracts, that frees up yet more decent mid-life/pretty new vehicles for cascade to regional fleets although that doesn't seem the most ideal way to upgrade regional fleets as not only is London stock not new but has also been worked hard and continuing to lose work at London is sure to affect overall group turnover, if not profit to quite the same extent.
Quote from: andy on March 06, 2015, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 05, 2015, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: andy on March 05, 2015, 11:59:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: andy on March 05, 2015, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 04, 2015, 07:32:16 PM
So Arriva are spending £45 Million on 230 new buses for a fleet of circa 5900 buses.
Whilst NX group are spending £34 million on a fleet of 171 new buses for NXWM's fleet of circa 1526 buses.
It certainly makes NX's levels of investment all the more impressive.
Perhaps it says more about the amount of stuff that needs to be withdrawn before it falls to pieces/becomes non compliant with legislation?
Also don't forget that the West Midlands conurbation returns a far greater profit margin than most former NBC territories and always has done. Particularly when you have the local authorities in your pocket.
NXWM only need to replace the following by the end of 2015:
15 x B6LE
16 x B10L
54 x Mercs
85 in total, so could have got away with ordering half what they actually have. Once they have gone, NXWM's oldest single deckers will be 56 plate B7RLE/Wright
The Presidents are complaint beyond 2017, with only Spectra's need to be withdrawn by the end of 2016
The Presidents may well be compliant beyond 2017 but God help us if they are still active in their current state.
They were comprehensively refurbished back in 2007/8 and are pretty immaculate inside...
Yes, that was 7/8 years ago. They are now in many cases shot to bits and disgusting to travel on. I don't know which ones you see but I take it you don't live on or use the Outer Circle.
Well some WB ones were refurbed more recently than that but still, the rest are pretty nice to travel on even if refurbished longer ago. They're smooth, warm, comfortable and I'd say generally extremely smart inside.
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 06, 2015, 12:04:45 AM
Couple of things to add on this one.
I broadly agree with the general consensus that this round of investment is nothing to get particularly excited about.
However, this investment seems to exclude the London fleet so the vehicles being replaced should be seen as a fraction of the regional fleet and not the overall, including London figure, as that will get "investment" through leased BorisMasters etc.
What should also be remembered is the ex London buses being cascaded out. My local route has ex Arriva London e200's on there, now fully refurbished etc. At only 5 years' old, their arrival replacing X reg darts is still a fairly decent investment, just not with brand new vehicles. If Arriva London continues to lose contracts, that frees up yet more decent mid-life/pretty new vehicles for cascade to regional fleets although that doesn't seem the most ideal way to upgrade regional fleets as not only is London stock not new but has also been worked hard and continuing to lose work at London is sure to affect overall group turnover, if not profit to quite the same extent.
So Arriva are spending £45 Million on 230 new buses for a fleet of circa 4300 buses (Excluding London - 5900 with London)
Whilst NX group are spending £34 million on a fleet of 171 new buses for NXWM's fleet of circa 1526 buses.
It certainly makes NX's levels of investment all the more impressive.
There will be plenty of cascades from Arriva London (but doubt anything that modern), as Arriva have lost a number of Tfl routes to various operators on re-tender.
Quote from: Winston on March 06, 2015, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 06, 2015, 12:04:45 AM
Couple of things to add on this one.
I broadly agree with the general consensus that this round of investment is nothing to get particularly excited about.
However, this investment seems to exclude the London fleet so the vehicles being replaced should be seen as a fraction of the regional fleet and not the overall, including London figure, as that will get "investment" through leased BorisMasters etc.
What should also be remembered is the ex London buses being cascaded out. My local route has ex Arriva London e200's on there, now fully refurbished etc. At only 5 years' old, their arrival replacing X reg darts is still a fairly decent investment, just not with brand new vehicles. If Arriva London continues to lose contracts, that frees up yet more decent mid-life/pretty new vehicles for cascade to regional fleets although that doesn't seem the most ideal way to upgrade regional fleets as not only is London stock not new but has also been worked hard and continuing to lose work at London is sure to affect overall group turnover, if not profit to quite the same extent.
So Arriva are spending £45 Million on 230 new buses for a fleet of circa 4300 buses (Excluding London - 5900 with London)
Whilst NX group are spending £34 million on a fleet of 171 new buses for NXWM's fleet of circa 1526 buses.
It certainly makes NX's levels of investment all the more impressive.
There will be plenty of cascades from Arriva London (but doubt anything that modern), as Arriva have lost a number of Tfl routes to various operators on re-tender.
See my note in Hinckley Bus - Midlands are getting some 13 year old darts
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
See my note in Hinckley Bus - Midlands are getting some 13 year old darts
Just seen that, they are also only currently returning 52 plate DAF/Presidents & 03 plate DAF/ALX400's off lease as well.
Bit late but Arriva have announced the bus orders for this year. It looks as if they are getting E200MMC going to Rhyl and Wrexham.
http://www.route-one.net/industry/orders/arriva-announces-2015-orders This is the article
Tony already mentioned this on previous year order thread;)
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2769.msg133264#msg133264
I Spotted 2x New Boris Buses For Arriva London Today
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