NX 2013 Bus Orders

[Ash]

The omnilinks on the 4 must clock up a high mileage going from either Walsall to Blackheath/Merry Hill or Halesowen daily running every 6 minutes with a PVR of 21 also 8 buses are still required on a Sunday 5 on the 4M and 3 on the 4. On weekdays the first 4 leaves Walsall Bradford Place at 04:40 and the last bus arrives back at Walsall Bradford Place at 00:22 so buses are out on the 4 for just under 21 hours a day although I guess the first bus out won't be the last bus back in on one days service.

[karl724223]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

our 09 plate enviros going back into a brum garage poss yw there being replaced with 30 older enviro 400s poss from yw with another 10 poss from pb

Oh I understand now...... that's not good for Pensnett, as Pensnett have spent a large portion of its maintenance budget having the 09 plate Enviros repainted
& retrimmed.

The 07/57 Enviros from YW & PB will all need a fair bit of money spent on them bringing them up too scratch both internally & externally. It's not going to be good for passengers on the 9/141 either.

What is the benefit of swapping 09 plate buses for 07/57 plate buses? Surely the YW Enviros have been worked pretty hard on the 50 as it is, by moving them on to the intensive Hagley Road routes, this will work them harder still and they could potentially become more un-reliable & need extra money throwing at them mechanically.

If the 09 plate Enviros are clocking up that many miles per year, surely it would be better policy to replace them with new double deckers every 3-4 years and cascade the older ones to other garages to work less intensive routes and bring down the average mileage per year over the longer term

Now we can see why they are being repainted and de-branded. But surely the 9 is one of NXWM premier routes and requires decent buses, and the excuse being used for swapping the Enviros over (that they are being worked to hard and clocking up to many miles) doesn't wash with me.

it would if i told you the other reason this is happening but im not  also older enviro 400 to come to pensnett are to be fully fefurbished before/as we have them 

[Andrew1991]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

our 09 plate enviros going back into a brum garage poss yw there being replaced with 30 older enviro 400s poss from yw with another 10 poss from pb

Oh I understand now...... that's not good for Pensnett, as Pensnett have spent a large portion of its maintenance budget having the 09 plate Enviros repainted
& retrimmed.

The 07/57 Enviros from YW & PB will all need a fair bit of money spent on them bringing them up too scratch both internally & externally. It's not going to be good for passengers on the 9/141 either.

What is the benefit of swapping 09 plate buses for 07/57 plate buses? Surely the YW Enviros have been worked pretty hard on the 50 as it is, by moving them on to the intensive Hagley Road routes, this will work them harder still and they could potentially become more un-reliable & need extra money throwing at them mechanically.

If the 09 plate Enviros are clocking up that many miles per year, surely it would be better policy to replace them with new double deckers every 3-4 years and cascade the older ones to other garages to work less intensive routes and bring down the average mileage per year over the longer term

Now we can see why they are being repainted and de-branded. But surely the 9 is one of NXWM premier routes and requires decent buses, and the excuse being used for swapping the Enviros over (that they are being worked to hard and clocking up to many miles) doesn't wash with me.

it would if i told you the other reason this is happening but im not  also older enviro 400 to come to pensnett are to be fully fefurbished before/as we have them

Oooooh, a secret. ;) new buses coming maybe ?

[PM]

Do we know when all this will happen? Presumably, it means that PB are having new deckers which I assume will be e400s from what has been posted about this year's bus orders.

[Stuharris 6360]

Well it's going to take a while, 30 buses have to be refurbished!

I also wonder whether PE are going to take over more of WB's work?

[Lukeee]

Shame to see PB loose the toothpaste enviros, love the whinning noise some of these make (4728 being a good example), will be interesting to see if PB keep 4698

[PM]

I wouldnt be surprised if NXWM want 30 identical buses refurbed that they contract it out to be done, especially if they want it done to a high standard. Is this what they did with the presidents back in 2007? Can anyone shed any light because I didnt know at the time and still dont know now!!

[Ashley]

I think some of the president refurb was was contracted externally, something about a place in bristol I think was mentioned.

Can I just clarify that PE and YW are swapping enviros after they've all been refurbished and when new enviros arrive at PB displacing some toothpaste ones meaning there's batch consistancy and if that's the case are the reasons for doing this mentioned above?

[Ash]

Well it's going to take a while, 30 buses have to be refurbished!

I also wonder whether PE are going to take over more of WB's work?

Is there any more news on the WB outstation and the possible relocation. Is there a deadline in which NXWM have to vacate the current outstation they have.

[Tony]

Well it's going to take a while, 30 buses have to be refurbished!

I also wonder whether PE are going to take over more of WB's work?

Is there any more news on the WB outstation and the possible relocation. Is there a deadline in which NXWM have to vacate the current outstation they have.

Do they have to vacate the current parking area. Seems some work to make it more user friendly is about to happen!

[winston]

I think some of the president refurb was was contracted externally, something about a place in bristol I think was mentioned.

I thought it was ADL Harlow that dealt with the President refurbs?

[winston]

Well it's going to take a while, 30 buses have to be refurbished!

I also wonder whether PE are going to take over more of WB's work?

Is there any more news on the WB outstation and the possible relocation. Is there a deadline in which NXWM have to vacate the current outstation they have.

Do they have to vacate the current parking area. Seems some work to make it more user friendly is about to happen!

Tony,

I take it by your comments that the WB overflow bus park is now staying open for the foreseeable..... is there still the possibility of the 16 & 101 moving from PB?

[ilovetea4370]

it would if i told you the other reason this is happening but im not  also older enviro 400 to come to pensnett are to be fully fefurbished before/as we have them

Just a guess but something to do with talking buses? I seem to recall during the sandwell review, centro stating the 246 would be getting these systems fitted (assuming these are going to be used on the 246).

[nitromatt1]

Is this "Enviro400 swap" definitely going ahead then? If so, when would we expect to first see these older Enviros on the 9/141?

[BN]

Staff going over to Ballymena next tuesday to PDI WN's Volvo B5LH. 9 to come.