London Midland Trains

[Sh4318]

New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM

Quite excited to see the 350/3's in action in December, hopefully I can snap them all asap. Not looking forward to 350/1's replacing 323s on the Walsall - Wolves

I photographed 350374 in passenger use on Monday
http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350374.html

I've been to Manchester 3 times this year and I keep missing the 350/4 depatures to Scotland, maybe I'll have to go a fourth time and get a few 350/4s

[tphi12000]

New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM

reported elsewhere 377 was delivered yesterday with 376.

[Kevin]

New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM

Quite excited to see the 350/3's in action in December, hopefully I can snap them all asap. Not looking forward to 350/1's replacing 323s on the Walsall - Wolves

I photographed 350374 in passenger use on Monday
http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350374.html

London Midland livery in glasgow, love it!

[Sh4318]

Taking a peak of the new December timetable on my London Midland app on my phone. I've noticed Smethwick Galton Bridge low level is now 2 trains per hour on Sunday. The Liverpool-Birmingham services now stop at Smethwick Galton Bridge in both directions, at xx:42 towards Liverpool/Crewe and xx:08 towards Birmingham New Street

[mikestone]

December timetable leaflets are now on the LM website - most SX Wolverhampton-Walsall trains are shown with first class, but not on Saturdays.  Presumably the trains concerned are booked cl.350.
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[Sh4318]

December timetable leaflets are now on the LM website - most SX Wolverhampton-Walsall trains are shown with first class, but not on Saturdays.  Presumably the trains concerned are booked cl.350.
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Looking at open train times the Wolverhampton - Walsall's will be completely Class 350. Presumably 350/2s, to free up /1s and /3s for Crewe and Birmingham workings. The most impressive thing in the timetable for me is the addition of the Liverpool - Birmingham calls at Smethwick Galton Bridge on Sundays

[andy]

December timetable leaflets are now on the LM website - most SX Wolverhampton-Walsall trains are shown with first class, but not on Saturdays.  Presumably the trains concerned are booked cl.350.
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Looking at open train times the Wolverhampton - Walsall's will be completely Class 350. Presumably 350/2s, to free up /1s and /3s for Crewe and Birmingham workings. The most impressive thing in the timetable for me is the addition of the Liverpool - Birmingham calls at Smethwick Galton Bridge on Sundays

You would think so wouldn't you? but LM are keen on having the mark 2's on Euston lines due to seating capacity, eventhough the passengers hate them and of course they still can't do 110 yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the mark 1's that ended up on Walsall to Wolves. There's also the mileage to consider, LM are already in dispute over mileage charges so they may be trying to restrict the mark 1's.

[Bob]

Anyone know if the chase line is running normally tomorrow or is it replacement buses???

[Cheese]

Anyone know if the chase line is running normally tomorrow or is it replacement buses???

A quick check on London Midland's website and on National Rail suggests no rail replacement on the Chase Line tomorrow.

[Sh4318]

December timetable leaflets are now on the LM website - most SX Wolverhampton-Walsall trains are shown with first class, but not on Saturdays.  Presumably the trains concerned are booked cl.350.
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Looking at open train times the Wolverhampton - Walsall's will be completely Class 350. Presumably 350/2s, to free up /1s and /3s for Crewe and Birmingham workings. The most impressive thing in the timetable for me is the addition of the Liverpool - Birmingham calls at Smethwick Galton Bridge on Sundays

You would think so wouldn't you? but LM are keen on having the mark 2's on Euston lines due to seating capacity, eventhough the passengers hate them and of course they still can't do 110 yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the mark 1's that ended up on Walsall to Wolves. There's also the mileage to consider, LM are already in dispute over mileage charges so they may be trying to restrict the mark 1's.

I hope you're right. I'd take a mark 1 over a mark 2 anyday. Nothing against the /2s, but 3x2 seating, plus the lack of tables/fold down tables on the back of seats isn't exactly ideal for long distance travel, especially to the capital

[Bob]

Ah great thanks

[mikestone]

Open train times/real time trains, and I would suggest  any similar site, only reflects the class that trains are timed for, and in many cases bears no relation to the actual diagrammed stock one glaring example is the 07.57 Birmingham-Walsall shows Cl.350 and the 08.30 back Cl.153!  .
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The LM leaflet suggests that there will be one 323 all day and another couple going on during the afternoon.

[Sh4318]

Open train times/real time trains, and I would suggest  any similar site, only reflects the class that trains are timed for, and in many cases bears no relation to the actual diagrammed stock one glaring example is the 07.57 Birmingham-Walsall shows Cl.350 and the 08.30 back Cl.153!  .
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The LM leaflet suggests that there will be one 323 all day and another couple going on during the afternoon.

Have you got the timings for these 323 workings? Open train times indicates which stock will be operate what service by indicating the train's highest mph. I.e. Class EMU at 100mph clearly indicates a Class 350 working

[mikestone]

No it doesn't - it merely tells you what class it is timed for, not what is diagrammed. Clearly the difference between 90 and 100 mph timings is irrelevant since the line speed is less than that  - the fact that London Midland have gone to the trouble of inserting class 1 symbols on some trains fairly clearly indicates that the others are going to be 323s.
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Perusal of RTT suggests that 323s will do the following Mon-Fri
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set 1
detach of 08.12 Redditch-Lichfield then work
09.08 BHM-WPN etc. - inwards from Walsall being a dmu t/w 09.05 Salop
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set 2
14+25 Soho -New St to work
15.08 BHM-WPN etc -  14.30 Walsall forms 15.01 to Liverpool
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set 3
16+58 Soho-New St  to work
17.27 BHM-WSL - 1650 from WPN goes to Coventry
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[Sh4318]

No it doesn't - it merely tells you what class it is timed for, not what is diagrammed. Clearly the difference between 90 and 100 mph timings is irrelevant since the line speed is less than that  - the fact that London Midland have gone to the trouble of inserting class 1 symbols on some trains fairly clearly indicates that the others are going to be 323s.
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Perusal of RTT suggests that 323s will do the following Mon-Fri
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set 1
detach of 08.12 Redditch-Lichfield then work
09.08 BHM-WPN etc. - inwards from Walsall being a dmu t/w 09.05 Salop
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set 2
14+25 Soho -New St to work
15.08 BHM-WPN etc -  14.30 Walsall forms 15.01 to Liverpool
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set 3
16+58 Soho-New St  to work
17.27 BHM-WSL - 1650 from WPN goes to Coventry
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Incorrect. If you look at all current Sunday workings, on the BHM-WVH stopper, the timings are "Class EMU at 90 mph". If you look at all Sunday workings after the 14th December, the timings are "Class EMU at 100 mph". On the CrossCity line, all workings are "Class EMU at 90 mph" - which, has we know, are all 323 diagrams , BHM-WVH currently have "Class EMU at 90 mph", apart from the ones operated by 350s. I've checked all of your noted workings, and they have "Class EMU at 100 mph" - indicating a class 350 is worked.

Class 323 top speed is 90 mph and Class 350 is 100 mph. Interestingly enough, it seems the International - New St shuttle will continue to be worked by a Class 323