Sucess of Arriva in the West Midlands?

[Westy]

Did NXWM's predecessors ever work into Tamworth, apart from Drayton Manor trips?

[andy]

Did NXWM's predecessors ever work into Tamworth, apart from Drayton Manor trips?

They very briefly had some tendered work involving evening 110's and a couple of locals in Tamworth but didn't bother with it for long.  Allegedly there were some plans to 'invade' when MRN developed the Wolverhampton and Walsall Minibus network but they never ended up going through with it because MRN scrapped their operation and also cancelled plans to run minibuses in Sutton and turned their attentions to Derby. Since then WMT/NXWM have paid no attention to Tamworth.

[Isle of Stroma]

If it did ever come to an all out war which seems unlikely, NXWM could easily introduce competing services on Cannocks more lucrative routes and operate them out of WA garage without too much dead mileage or possibly even strike in Tamworth operating from PB

Well, if a certain rumour that i've heard turns out to be true, prepare for all out war  ;)

[andy]

The biggest problem any competitor has operating against NXWM is the size & scale of its network and its own range of travelcards. More passengers buy NXWM travelcards than NWM due to them being more cost effective, any competing operator can only take passengers of NXWM services that pay cash or hold NWM passes

And that is the biggest reason that nobody has ever bothered to engage them commercially on a grand scale.  It makes a mockery of competition in the bus industry that NWM (Centro) sit by and make no attempt to introduce a more cost effective travelcard scheme that encourages people to buy it instead and therefore encourage more operators and split the revenue. Yes i know it is only 20p more on a day ticket and a few pounds more per month but it is a psychological thing, and also the Travelcard is much easier to set up on DD and renew.  NWM (Centro) in my opinion have been too happy to sit by and allow this situation to exist. It needs to be shaken up and they need to be FAR more innovative.

[winston]

If it did ever come to an all out war which seems unlikely, NXWM could easily introduce competing services on Cannocks more lucrative routes and operate them out of WA garage without too much dead mileage or possibly even strike in Tamworth operating from PB

Well, if a certain rumour that i've heard turns out to be true, prepare for all out war  ;)

Are you prepared to elaborate Dave?

A war would certainly spice things up here in the WM region

[Isle of Stroma]

If it did ever come to an all out war which seems unlikely, NXWM could easily introduce competing services on Cannocks more lucrative routes and operate them out of WA garage without too much dead mileage or possibly even strike in Tamworth operating from PB

Well, if a certain rumour that i've heard turns out to be true, prepare for all out war  ;)

Are you prepared to elaborate Dave?

A war would certainly spice things up here in the WM region

Not at present as nothing's been announced. Keep an eye on vosa though, just in case.

[Bob]

If it did ever come to an all out war which seems unlikely, NXWM could easily introduce competing services on Cannocks more lucrative routes and operate them out of WA garage without too much dead mileage or possibly even strike in Tamworth operating from PB

Well, if a certain rumour that i've heard turns out to be true, prepare for all out war  ;)

Are you prepared to elaborate Dave?

A war would certainly spice things up here in the WM region

Not at present as nothing's been announced. Keep an eye on vosa though, just in case.

Would it involve NXWM & an Arriva dominated area beginning with the letter C? lol

[winston]

If it did ever come to an all out war which seems unlikely, NXWM could easily introduce competing services on Cannocks more lucrative routes and operate them out of WA garage without too much dead mileage or possibly even strike in Tamworth operating from PB

Well, if a certain rumour that i've heard turns out to be true, prepare for all out war  ;)

Are you prepared to elaborate Dave?

A war would certainly spice things up here in the WM region

Not at present as nothing's been announced. Keep an eye on vosa though, just in case.

No worries Dave, thanks for the heads up!

[danny]

Ooooo a buswar, .lets hope ive herd its good for passangers lol, but saying that, team NXWM all the way!

[Bob]

i would put money on that it wont be in Cannock,  shame though, with Chase, green bus service, 99.9% ( other than 3 peak trips) of NXWM And now Midland gone, Arriva now have a complete monopoly of Cannock. Bad Times :-(

[j789]

Surely Arriva would also be at risk of nxwm retaliation in Lichfield, Stafford and even Telford as all are not that far away from current nxwm operating territory.

[Bob]

I wouldnt have thought stafford or lichfield would be of any interest. telford maybe but i doubt it. Nxwm have no interest in out of county services

[Tony]

I wouldnt have thought stafford or lichfield would be of any interest. telford maybe but i doubt it. Nxwm have no interest in out of county services

Haven't they? I know of one route never operated by NXWM or a predecessor currently having passenger counts done to see if it is viable to register against the current operator.

The biggest problem with out of county services for NXWM is you have to vary the farescale to make them pay. £1.90 is not viable for long journies through area with sparcer housing, hence why Stagecoach First & Arriva have generally have higher fares.

Two routes that do venture into further parts, the 12 and X51, both charge more than £1.90 for the longer trips

[vinh1000]

I wouldnt have thought stafford or lichfield would be of any interest. telford maybe but i doubt it. Nxwm have no interest in out of county services

Haven't they? I know of one route never operated by NXWM or a predecessor currently having passenger counts done to see if it is viable to register against the current operator.

The biggest problem with out of county services for NXWM is you have to vary the farescale to make them pay. £1.90 is not viable for long journies through area with sparcer housing, hence why Stagecoach First & Arriva have generally have higher fares.

Two routes that do venture into further parts, the 12 and X51, both charge more than £1.90 for the longer trips

Interesting
Its why I presume Green Bus also has a similar fare structure
Though nNetwork and NX Travelcards are valid on 12 all the way to Leamington :)

[PM]

I wouldnt have thought stafford or lichfield would be of any interest. telford maybe but i doubt it. Nxwm have no interest in out of county services

Haven't they? I know of one route never operated by NXWM or a predecessor currently having passenger counts done to see if it is viable to register against the current operator.

The biggest problem with out of county services for NXWM is you have to vary the farescale to make them pay. £1.90 is not viable for long journies through area with sparcer housing, hence why Stagecoach First & Arriva have generally have higher fares.

Two routes that do venture into further parts, the 12 and X51, both charge more than £1.90 for the longer trips

Wonder which route this is-maybe to redditch/bromsgrove/worcester or northwards possibly or cannock-dunno just speculating