London Buses.

[Stuharris 6360]

Changes to the Red Arrow routes,what remains of them,could in theory release electric buses for the 358. I stress the word could.....

As the 521 (PVR = 32) doesn't run on a Saturday or Sunday, am surprised they have never done anything with the spare electric singles instead of letting them stand idle all weekend.

[Fred]

As the 521 (PVR = 32) doesn't run on a Saturday or Sunday, am surprised they have never done anything with the spare electric singles instead of letting them stand idle all weekend.

Main reason - the depot has a condition of planning permission that it can't be used at weekends

Secondary reason - the batteries will have half a chance of lasting a decent amount of time before needing to be replaced!

[Stuharris 6360]

LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:

Route             Current Operator           New Operator          PVR          Vehicles
W15                  Tower Transit           London General            21         Electric Single Deck

The above contract will commence on the 5th March 2022.

[markcf83]

LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:

Route             Current Operator           New Operator          PVR          Vehicles
W15                  Tower Transit           London General            21         Electric Single Deck

The above contract will commence on the 5th March 2022.

Have heard that Northumberland Park is set to run the W15. It will mean yet more electric buses will run from there.

[Stuharris 6360]

LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:

Route             Current Operator           New Operator          PVR          Vehicles
148(24hr)       London United               London United         17         Existing New Routemaster
415                 Abellio London                Abellio London          9          Existing New Routemaster
432                London General            Arriva London South  12         Existing Hybrid Double Deck
549           Stagecoach East London    Sullivan Buses            1         Existing Diesel Single Decker
U5               Abellio West London      Abellio West London    11       New Electric Double Deck *

All diesel and hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.

* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI hybrid double decks.

The above contracts will commence on the following dates:

2nd October 2021: Route 148.
5th March 2022: Route 415.
12th March 2022: Route 549.
19th March 2022: Route U5.
2nd April 2022: Route 432.

[markcf83]

LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:

Route             Current Operator           New Operator          PVR          Vehicles
148(24hr)       London United               London United         17         Existing New Routemaster
415                 Abellio London                Abellio London          9          Existing New Routemaster
432                London General            Arriva London South  12         Existing Hybrid Double Deck
549           Stagecoach East London    Sullivan Buses            1         Existing Diesel Single Decker
U5               Abellio West London      Abellio West London    11       New Electric Double Deck *

Presumably the 432 will return to Norwood. There'll be quite a bit of dead running on the 549 given Sullivan's base is at Potters Bar.

[Busboy105]

LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:

Route             Current Operator           New Operator          PVR          Vehicles
148(24hr)       London United               London United         17         Existing New Routemaster
415                 Abellio London                Abellio London          9          Existing New Routemaster
432                London General            Arriva London South  12         Existing Hybrid Double Deck
549           Stagecoach East London    Sullivan Buses            1         Existing Diesel Single Decker
U5               Abellio West London      Abellio West London    11       New Electric Double Deck *

All diesel and hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.

* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI hybrid double decks.

The above contracts will commence on the following dates:

2nd October 2021: Route 148.
5th March 2022: Route 415.
12th March 2022: Route 549.
19th March 2022: Route U5.
2nd April 2022: Route 432.

Looks like there isn't going to be any electrics for the 148.

[Tony]

Looks like there isn't going to be any electrics for the 148.

Why would there be when it is a NRM route?

[Busboy105]

Why would there be when it is a NRM route?

I remember reading something that there was a possibility that the 148 could get electrics when it got retendered. Probably was just some stupid rumour.

[Ian Hardy]

I remember reading something that there was a possibility that the 148 could get electrics when it got retendered. Probably was just some stupid rumour.

The reason that those rumours started was that a few years ago RATP stated that Shepherds Bush Garage would become an all electric garage. Whether this is still RATP's plan, who knows?

Currently S operates the following routes 70 72 94 148 C1 with only the 72 and 148 not being electric buses.

The 72 is a problem because of the long term closure of Hammersmith Bridge.

Now that the 148 has been announced to be continuing with LTs, S will not become all electric unless RATP move the 148 to Stamford Brook (to be with their other 2 LT routes 9 & 211) and something is done with the 72?

[Stuharris 6360]

Looks like the 148 is to get a reduction in PVR if the 17 is true as the current PVR is 24.

[Ian Hardy]

Looks like the 148 is to get a reduction in PVR if the 17 is true as the current PVR is 24.

Yes the PVR cut of 7 is true, it will be one of the first of many cuts as in January 2021 TfL announced that Bus mileage is to be cut by 4% over next 3 years. The 49 & 344 have reductions planned from the start of their new contracts:
49 PVR of 19 down to 15 in September 21
344 PVR of 25 down to 21 in August 21

[Stuharris 6360]

LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:

Route             Current Operator               New Operator                PVR          Vehicles
55/N55   Stagecoach East London    Stagecoach East London       33      Existing New Routemaster
56          Stagecoach East London    Stagecoach East London       19      Existing Hybrid Double Deck
322             London General                 Abellio London                   10      New Electric Single Deck
350          Abellio West London           Abellio West London             5      Existing Diesel Single Deck
397               H C T Group                        H C T Group                      6      Existing Diesel Single Deck
433            Abellio London                     Abellio London                   9      New Electric Single Deck *
667             Blue Triangle                  Stagecoach East London        3      Existing Diesel Double Deck
677        Stagecoach East London         Blue Triangle                      1      Existing Diesel Double Deck
W16            H C T Group                         H C T Group                      9      Existing Diesel Single Deck

* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI diesel single decks.

All diesel and hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.

The above contracts will commence on the following dates:

26th February 2022: Routes 55/N55, 56 & 397.

5th March 2022: Route W16.

12th March 2022: Routes 667 & 677.

30th April 2022: Routes 322 & 350.

21st May 2022: Route 433.

[Ian Hardy]

55 PVR -5
56 PVR -3
433 PVR -1
so this batch of contracts removes another 9 buses, which added to the previously announced reductions on the 49, 148 & 344 (15 total) means 24 buses lost.

Also it has been confirmed that W15 will be existing single deck electric buses as the Red Arrow routes are to have an approx 50% reduction in their PVR. However the 12m SEe Red Arrow buses will not fit on the route W15 so there will be various moves of Go Ahead SEe's to get the correct length buses for the W15.

[Stuharris 6360]

55 PVR -5
56 PVR -3
433 PVR -1
so this batch of contracts removes another 9 buses, which added to the previously announced reductions on the 49, 148 & 344 (15 total) means 24 buses lost.

Also it has been confirmed that W15 will be existing single deck electric buses as the Red Arrow routes are to have an approx 50% reduction in their PVR. However the 12m SEe Red Arrow buses will not fit on the route W15 so there will be various moves of Go Ahead SEe's to get the correct length buses for the W15.

Take it the 521 will take the biggest hit, not surprising with a bus in the peak period every 2 - 3 minutes.