Untimetabled 'E' Workings

[vinh1000]

87e Oldbury around 16:30

[OH25]

I saw a 14E to Stechford at 20:20 in Birmingham

[Gareth]

That particular 14E is timetabled I believe

[AndrewLee]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

[Liverpool Street]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

[Tony]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

[Stuharris 6360]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

Tony, i always thought the break had to be 45 minutes or is that just coach drivers?

[Liverpool Street]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

I recall you telling me. It's the same story with the late night Chelmsley - 40min minimum lay over at Chelmsley on your first trip! Lovely job! And with the 97, you'd have no stop on the terminus, so nobody is there knocking on your doors. Annoying termini really grinds on me, Longbridge for one!

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

Tony, i always thought the break had to be 45 minutes or is that just coach drivers?

Straight through duties on Domestic need cumulative 45mins across your whole duty.

[andrew1991]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

Tony, i always thought the break had to be 45 minutes or is that just coach drivers?

bus drivers too if they've been working 4.5 hours

[Liverpool Street]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

Tony, i always thought the break had to be 45 minutes or is that just coach drivers?

bus drivers too if they've been working 4.5 hours

No. It's half hour break after 5.5 hours continuous driving. 45mins TOTAL if it's a straight through.

[Tony]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

Tony, i always thought the break had to be 45 minutes or is that just coach drivers?

bus drivers too if they've been working 4.5 hours

No. It's half hour break after 5.5 hours continuous driving. 45mins TOTAL if it's a straight through.

Yes, that duty is covered both ways, if you get the 30 min at Chelmsley Wood, that makes it legal to do 10 hours driving, if you arrive a few minutes late, there is enough break in the first two trips to take you past the 45min cumulative rule so you can do 8.5 hours. The duty is only about 7 hours driving anyway, so either rule applies

[Liverpool Street]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

Tony, i always thought the break had to be 45 minutes or is that just coach drivers?

bus drivers too if they've been working 4.5 hours

No. It's half hour break after 5.5 hours continuous driving. 45mins TOTAL if it's a straight through.

Yes, that duty is covered both ways, if you get the 30 min at Chelmsley Wood, that makes it legal to do 10 hours driving, if you arrive a few minutes late, there is enough break in the first two trips to take you past the 45min cumulative rule so you can do 8.5 hours. The duty is only about 7 hours driving anyway, so either rule applies

If only we can get our friends in Head Office to make every duty like that.. hehehe ;)

[nitromatt1]

I saw a 50 to Alcester Lane (North or South, cannot remember which) loading on MS2 this afternoon

[Tony]

I saw a 50 to Alcester Lane (North or South, cannot remember which) loading on MS2 this afternoon

It will be Alcester Lane End, many years ago the terminus of the 50

[notepanel]

It is. Spins round to run in service to town then back to BC. A straight through duty I think - three whole trips then that short one.

More then likely. The East Birmingham routes [/rotas] have numerous straight through duties. Surprising really as the rest of the garage are 100% split.

That is a nice duty, did it a few weeks ago, you get 30 min layover at Chelmsley Wood on the 3rd trip which makes the duty legal

Tony, i always thought the break had to be 45 minutes or is that just coach drivers?

There are two main types of driving regulations - EU & Domestic. The type of work & length of the route primarily define which category applies (there are a few other factors)  - as a general rule Coach Driving comes under EU rules and bus driving under Domestic (although there are many exceptions!).

EU rules are much stricter and with regards to day to day working, a driver must take a 45 minute break after 4.5 hours of continuous driving. Maximum driving time is usually 9 hours, which can be extended on certain days to 10. The 45 minute break can be split into a 15 & 30 minute break (in that order!) but the second break must be taken after no more than 4.5 hours driving has taken place.  (Eg. 2 Hours Driving (15 Break) 2.5 Hours Driving (30 Break) 4.5 Hours Driving). When driving under EU rules, driving hours must be recorded by Tachographs.

Domestic Rules are much less strict - after 5.5 Hours driving only a 30 minute break is required.  As Tony has stated, the alternative way (and much less common with NXWM) is a cumulative break, whereby during an 8.5 hour period breaks totalling 45 minutes must be taken. In theory, the breaks during the Cumulative method could be taken as 9 five-minute breaks.  Maximum daily driving time is 10 hours. A tachograph is not required to record Domestic Rule driving.

Virtually all work at NXWM falls under Domestic Regs, but there are exceptions such as the WA 'College Bus', which falls under Private Hire work and therefore comes under EU Regulations.