Service Changes July 20th 2025

[The Transport Youtuber]

depends if NX are struggling as is which is yes (evidenced by them stopping bus restoration, grey livery) as tony said 2% increase in national insurance is mad money for a big company which would obviously equate to less profit and someone has to suffer from this. i think they base profitabillity on routes themselves  

i believe 12/13s isnt tendered and according to someone on the forum the routes "break even", so presumably the routes are a victim of the massive cost to get profits back, also a frequency reduction unsuprisingly. also, i wouldnt be suprised if more routes end up going

im only a veg i know hardly anything just going off what i heard!!

[keyy927]

Biggest problem with pn15 was lack of communication flags and timetables not changed in tfwm land
As of last week flags still said 15/15A

the flags were a big problem in northfield too, they were only updated yesterday. the road map boards in town centres (idk what its called but the one that shows the roads, bus stops with codes (LA = longbridge island etc)) still haven't been updated in northfield, longbridge or bearwood. 

[keyy927]

depends if NX are struggling as is which is yes (evidenced by them stopping bus restoration, grey livery) as tony said 2% increase in national insurance is mad money for a big company which would obviously equate to less profit and someone has to suffer from this. i think they base profitabillity on routes themselves 

i believe 12/13s isnt tendered and according to someone on the forum the routes "break even", so presumably the routes are a victim of the massive cost to get profits back, also a frequency reduction unsuprisingly. also, i wouldnt be suprised if more routes end up going

im only a veg i know hardly anything just going off what i heard!!

i wonder if we're gonna have another "south birmingham bus change" on the horizon. except instead of just south birmingham, the entire city will see its bus routes reworked.

i'm no expert but there are probably multiple areas which would benefit from more services and some which would see no monetary difference with less - i could also expect to see a lot of routes curtailed or even partially/fully subsidised by TfWM. 

idk i just remember the 2018 SB changes being particularly big for no obvious reason (i was 11 so i wasn't smart back then, so if anyone knows do tell), and idk i feel like a major network reform is in order soon anyway considering the seemingly endless stream of small changes, complaints, and issues. 

[Rachvince53]

I wouldn't think wholesale changes will be implemented with the prospect of franchising looming on the horizon. Thats when major changes might occur.

[Stu]

does it cover the areas that 13 would have?

warley just looks like a maze of beautiful houses and hills...

Someone replied earlier about the new 13 route:

The new 13 (13A) is Bleakhouse Road, then George Road, Bristnall Hall Road, Salop Road, Hurst Road, then Abbey Road.

As I said earlier, I assume there are further 'as yet undocumented' changes that will be happening to cover the rest of the route.

[CJS47]

does it cover the areas that 13 would have?

warley just looks like a maze of beautiful houses and hills...

Only four stops on George Road and Bristnall Hall Road.

[The Transport Youtuber]

i wonder if we're gonna have another "south birmingham bus change" on the horizon. except instead of just south birmingham, the entire city will see its bus routes reworked.

i'm no expert but there are probably multiple areas which would benefit from more services and some which would see no monetary difference with less - i could also expect to see a lot of routes curtailed or even partially/fully subsidised by TfWM.

idk i just remember the 2018 SB changes being particularly big for no obvious reason (i was 11 so i wasn't smart back then, so if anyone knows do tell), and idk i feel like a major network reform is in order soon anyway considering the seemingly endless stream of small changes, complaints, and issues.

most of the complaints wouldnt be sorted by renumbering or rerouting routes because most routes, unless its so major that big roads like Alum Rock Road arent served to increase punctuality for example. the big double decker birmingham routes people dont seem to have a problem with so i dont see them changng

nxwm are constantly making trial and error in a attempt to cater for the changing demands which is probably why routes are often changed good example is the acocks green 1

[2206]

unless its so major that big roads like Alum Rock Road arent served to increase punctuality for example

which is probably why routes are often changed good example is the acocks green 1

The core of that route Acocks Green to Five Ways has remained mostly unchanged for decades. I think over 100 years old that route is?

Alum Rock Road, yes the parking and traffic are terrible along there especially on the section from Highfield Rd to Saltley Gate. But a lot of those stops between the Pelham and Saltley Gate are very well used & I don't think there is really an ideal alternate route.

Anyway I guess with a lot of changes there will be winners as well as losers, as 13A passengers in Brandhall, Blackheath will be going from 2bph to 3bph to Birmingham it appears.

[keyy927]

most of the complaints wouldnt be sorted by renumbering or rerouting routes because most routes, unless its so major that big roads like Alum Rock Road arent served to increase punctuality for example. the big double decker birmingham routes people dont seem to have a problem with so i dont see them changng

nxwm are constantly making trial and error in a attempt to cater for the changing demands which is probably why routes are often changed good example is the acocks green 1

tbh i'm not entirely sure about everywhere else but i only really hear complaints about buses local to me and if i had a penny everytime someone complained about the 45/47/63, i would be loaded. biggest route problems i've seen with the 45 is the area between longbridge and west heath since they took the 45 off longbridge lane and stuck it on coombes lane, the section in kings norton between aldi and shannon road because it serves 1 stop and is just long for the sake of being long - coverage wouldn't change if they used used the other, smaller segment of teviot grove, and then the terminus at the bottom of lickey road, which is just the worst place you could park a bus and everyone is well aware of that. 

[Sh4318]

The full details of the changes haven't even been announced yet. Might be good to wait and see before rushing ahead.

It could even be possible another service in that area will be rerouted to cover. 14?

Unless the 14 stops serving Portway Hill, diverting it down Tower Road would make the route convoluted 

[BBS]

the flags were a big problem in northfield too, they were only updated yesterday. the road map boards in town centres (idk what its called but the one that shows the roads, bus stops with codes (LA = longbridge island etc)) still haven't been updated in northfield, longbridge or bearwood.

When the solihull changes were made, the flags for the new 630 and 631 were changed , but came with a catch where only a few of them changed. There were some that stayed as A15 and A12 1 month later...

[The Transport Youtuber]

The core of that route Acocks Green to Five Ways has remained mostly unchanged for decades. I think over 100 years old that route is?

Alum Rock Road, yes the parking and traffic are terrible along there especially on the section from Highfield Rd to Saltley Gate. But a lot of those stops between the Pelham and Saltley Gate are very well used & I don't think there is really an ideal alternate route.

Anyway I guess with a lot of changes there will be winners as well as losers, as 13A passengers in Brandhall, Blackheath will be going from 2bph to 3bph to Birmingham it appears.

agreed, but delays on the 14 for example would never really be fixed then. its either extreme overtiming, major delays at times or alum rock rd having no route. 

[2206]

agreed, but delays on the 14 for example would never really be fixed then. its either extreme overtiming, major delays at times or alum rock rd having no route.

The only alternative I can think of that could maybe be done is having a short route terminating at Stechford or Ward End.

And then a longer route via Tile Cross either going via Washwood Heath Road with the 94/95 or taking Bordesley Green with the 97.

[frostjay974]

I'm not too sure that whoever thought it would be a good idea to get rid of the 13 had properly taken into consideration the fact that a very long and pretty steep Brookfields Road will no longer have a bus service. Depending on where you are, neither the 12 nor the 13* are exactly easily accessible, especially if we're talking elderly people.

And before anybody mentions 'the bus industry being under financial pressure' again, dare you try and say that to someone who will now have to struggle up a hill to get a bus!

[The Transport Youtuber]

in birmingham buses will get stuck on a daily and nothing can be done about it unless u make major changes that will cause major inconvenience. not easy to run a punctual service without extreme overtiming which is bad

good example is coventry rd
60 gets stuck on coventry rd, no real way to fix that but anyone beyond coventry rd can use X1/X2 for a quicker journey to brum.