Acocks Green Garage

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Clearly the garage doesn't care, weither you make complaints, or make it aware online. I've said it many times on here and the response is "frequency is too high", the people who have this as their local have to put up with rammed buses, people with pushchairs / wheelchairs often get blocked because of people standing in the way. What could you possibly do then. Easy solution is decrease the frequency to roughly 8-10 minutes and make it double deckers

@BBS I think the problem with that probably would be which route are you proposing to take the double decks off to put them on the 4.
As @Tony said the 1, 17, 73 are all aready single deck. So it's probably not that easy a solution.

The only chance of that is probably when fleet replacement happens in the future. 130 new electric double decks due I think?

[Jack]

Which, like you said, isn't enough as the single deckers get full quickly on routes like the 4

Where do you expect the Single Deckers to go then? The 1, 17 and 73 are all solid singles like Tony has just said. The 4/4A have and always been given Deckers to compensate during the day? The only other answer is a frequency increase which is likely to not happen. I'm waiting the "swap them for the Doubles on the 72 and put the singles on the 72" comments.

[BBS]

@BBS I think the problem with that probably would be which route are you proposing to take the double decks off to put them on the 4.
As @Tony said the 1, 17, 73 are all aready single deck. So it's probably not that easy a solution.

The only chance of that is probably when fleet replacement happens in the future. 130 new electric double decks due I think?

The 72, the 5. The 5 does not need deckers, it's a very quiet route, most it's ever full is Solihull sixth form and to Solihull town centre. The 72 also, can do with E200mmcs, B7RLE. I think demand should be prioritised alongside customer

[BBS]

Where do you expect the Single Deckers to go then? The 1, 17 and 73 are all solid singles like Tony has just said. The 4/4A have and always been given Deckers to compensate during the day? The only other answer is a frequency increase which is likely to not happen. I'm waiting the "swap them for the Doubles on the 72 and put the singles on the 72" comments.

The frequency increase but what's the need? Everyone will just get the first bus that comes anyways, nobody ever gets the one behind especially in areas such as sparkbrook, town where all routes are together . You don't have the 72 or the 4 outside your house do you? I said previously it's the people who have the routes as their local, let's say for example someone from Wolverhampton can't just say put anything That's left onto the 4/4A can they? Also the evening services matter, they're always full. It's not just during the day, how many complaints are there about the 12 being single decker? Or Perry Barr routes having scania's on decker routes? 

[Jack]

The 72, the 5. The 5 does not need deckers, it's a very quiet route, most it's ever full is Solihull sixth form and to Solihull town centre. The 72 also, can do with E200mmcs, B7RLE. I think demand should be prioritised alongside customer

The frequency increase but what's the need? Everyone will just get the first bus that comes anyways, nobody ever gets the one behind especially in areas such as sparkbrook, town where all routes are together . You don't have the 72 or the 4 outside your house do you? I said previously it's the people who have the routes as their local, let's say for example someone from Wolverhampton can't just say put anything That's left onto the 4/4A can they

I've been a regular user on the 4/4A (37) for well over 15 years so I will have my say thanks. The route gets Doubles everyday and has been seeing more of them in the past year or so. You can't just move singles and toss them elsewhere. I agree the 5 is quiet during the day but the PVR for that doesn't match the the 4/4A. The 72 gets full loads out of Solihull and Chelmsley Wood, no way can that cope with being full single deckers, Tony has already said this...

[BBS]

I've been a regular user on the 4/4A (37) for well over 15 years so I will have my say thanks. The route gets Doubles everyday and has been seeing more of them in the past year or so. You can't just move singles and toss them elsewhere. I agree the 5 is quiet during the day but the PVR for that doesn't match the the 4/4A. The 72 gets full loads out of Solihull and Chelmsley Wood, no way can that cope with being full single deckers, Tony has already said this...

I agree about the PVR, but at least use those deckers from the 5 onto more demanding routes right? You having a say isn't a problem, it's good to have a say on everyone as it brainstorms solutions, everyone's opinions should be respected regardless of what they are. The 72 gets full loads but when? Daytime? I'm sure evening times that's clearly not the case.also in the case of the 4 having deckers everyday how long is that going to happen now? With the X2 coming and AG getting just 2 buses?

[Tony]

I agree about the PVR, but at least use those deckers from the 5 onto more demanding routes right? You having a say isn't a problem, it's good to have a say on everyone as it brainstorms solutions, everyone's opinions should be respected regardless of what they are. The 72 gets full loads but when? Daytime? I'm sure evening times that's clearly not the case.also in the case of the 4 having deckers everyday how long is that going to happen now? With the X2 coming and AG getting just 2 buses?

Doesn't matter 'when' the 72 gets full loads does it. One trip is all it takes and that board needs a double deck.

You cannot put E200MMCs on the 5, they don't actually go around the route. On the odd occasion one does get on there the driver had to take a small diversion, similarly AG won't use E200MMCs on the 73 which is why that route is B7RLE

[BBS]

Doesn't matter 'when' the 72 gets full loads does it. One trip is all it takes and that board needs a double deck.

You cannot put E200MMCs on the 5, they don't actually go around the route. On the odd occasion one does get on there the driver had to take a small diversion, similarly AG won't use E200MMCs on the 73 which is why that route is B7RLE

With the 5, doesn't the E200mmc be required to do the full roundabout of sarehole mill rather than take a straight left heading towards the Birmingham side? 

[Tony]

With the 5, doesn't the E200mmc be required to do the full roundabout of sarehole mill rather than take a straight left heading towards the Birmingham side?

Yes, there's a couple of other places where they struggle as well, but experts on here are always better at allocating buses

[The Transport Youtuber]

With the 5, doesn't the E200mmc be required to do the full roundabout of sarehole mill rather than take a straight left heading towards the Birmingham side?

is the e200 mmc turning circle that bad it cannot cope with the tight part of the 5 why it needs deckers and B7RLEs. would this apply with the omnilinks that used to be at acocks green

thought the e200s were similar length, ik the E40D is 11.5m.

[Tony]

is the e200 mmc turning circle that bad it cannot cope with the tight part of the 5 why it needs deckers and B7RLEs. would this apply with the omnilinks that used to be at acocks green

thought the e200s were similar length, ik the E40D is 11.5m.

You've answered you own question. It's turning circle, not length.

No an E40D is not 11.5m long

[The Transport Youtuber]

You've answered you own question. It's turning circle, not length.

No an E40D is not 11.5m long

how long are the E40D??

[Tony]

how long are the E40D??

Depends on the operator but generally either 10.5m or 10.8m

[Stu]

The 72, the 5. The 5 does not need deckers, it's a very quiet route, most it's ever full is Solihull sixth form and to Solihull town centre. The 72 also, can do with E200mmcs, B7RLE. I think demand should be prioritised alongside customer

Yes, the 5 is quiet in parts, but believe me, the double decks can get very packed between Birmingham city centre and Sparkhill, but that's usually at peak times especially when the 6 gets delayed and there's a gap in service. 

[Ingleboro261F]

Yes, the 5 is quiet in parts, but believe me, the double decks can get very packed between Birmingham city centre and Sparkhill, but that's usually at peak times especially when the 6 gets delayed and there's a gap in service.

Or if it's 3pm and all the kids from Moseley come on board