as mentioned there are a couple of geminis refurbed from london in the yard Bob has your wish come true for Deckers to return?
Hope so! but i doubt it :-(
Would be ace if they could be put into use from Cannock but the only routes they could go on is the 25/26. If the 825 went back to Stafford then maybe they could be used on the 60
There are still step entrance deckers floating about that need replacing so you can bet these will go wherever they are. They look great though, fantastic refurb.
Most step entrance are with Wardle & these look ( by the livery) destined for arriva. Dont think theres many Olympians left
Maybe they are in preparation for their west midlands expansion
maybe..... hope they get used in Cannock though
they all seem to have gone from Cannocks yard. Apparently Burton have had 4
4791 S217JUA is parked in Cannock yard this morning. Tony
Probably down for repairs?
maybe , it hasnt seen service in the midlands yet is freshly converted and painted ex London. Tony
Do you think it could be intended for the Cannock fleet?
perhaps its for the new bus route from wolverhampton to amazon rugeley
yea possibly. might see it in use on others in between journeys then
As much as it would be nice to have deckers in Cannock again it would still be a waste apart from a few journeys on some routes and the new works route and it would just be another way to lose more money and still keep giving cannock tat from other garages
Deckers wouldnt be all that much dearer than full size singles to run would they? certain trips on the Staffords need em, and they used to be regulars on the 70
4791 on the greens today
Crikey my wish came true lol! I hope its intended to stay at Cannock :)
Quote from: bob on September 28, 2012, 03:44:47 PM
Deckers wouldnt be all that much dearer than full size singles to run would they? certain trips on the Staffords need em, and they used to be regulars on the 70
I know I drove them and looks like it a post I started has made someone happy a decker for you Bob no I did not allocate it but wish I could allocate all the darts to EMR darlaston but thats another subject.
Doubt deckers will last at CANNOCK for long we only ever seem to get deckers at CANNOCK these days when events like the V Festival or flower show are on none seem to last
its stupid, they could do with at least a couple
Some of the refurb London Deckers there are/were bound for Leicester.
4791 was from thr reserve pool I think, and was operational in Thurmaston???
I reckon they should reduce the 25/6 to half-hourly and decker them. thats frequent enough, they dont need to be every bloody 12/15 mins its daft. Surprised the buses on it dont get vandalised as the route gos through the scummiest bits of Cannock/Hednesford
Apparently the deckers a permanent fix at cannock
Just the one? like Dave says it must be for the Amazon route then. wouldnt be surprised if theres another allocated soon then as it would need a reserve vehicle surely
Apparently ther gona be a couple of deckers for the amazon contract, I saw a decker heading towards cannock yard this morning
bummer pity we wont see them in normal service
I'm wondering if they are shifting the ALX400's from Thurmaston onto Cannock, the drivers are not keen on them here in Leicester. The wigston drivers grumble less as they like DAF engined stuff anyway (since the majority of deckers there are DAF).
you are probably getting the unreliable ones which is great for us and bad for you... some of then need a good going over!
would not suprise me bruce cannock always have leicesters shit the sb200 used on the 1 were knackered when they came 3704 was a right state the turbocharger was shot some of the step darts from there were crap 2047 springs to mind glad they are gone and with the fitters at cannock a good going over will mean they are even shitter just because they have the facilities does not mean they get looked after saw 2701 in Bloxwich and the engine was shot smoke and rattling and this was from a 54 plate bus so not that old it was ready for death suprised if it would make cannock.
Just seen a Lichfield bound 60 leaving Cannock with a standing load almost to the back and an incoming 75 from Stafford with a large standing load, so its obvious that there are some journeys requiring double decking. The 825 should go back to Stafford, then it wouldnt matter what it was operated with, and as ive said before i dont think daytime 74/75s are interworked so deckers on certain journeys shouldnt be a problem. Sort it out Arriva! The 1 in Burton isnt any busier than the 74/5!
2046 was the worse 1 I think, and any1 no what the other decker iş at cannock
Runs about 3 times a day from 28 oct. goes through bloxwich.
timetable is on arriva site starts in pipers row timing points in willenhall dale, walsall hatherton rd, bloxwich, rugeley then amazon looking at this there is a good chance it will follow the 529 route into willenhall and walsall either a34 or through leamore to bloxwich as it does not call at cannock posssibly a34 to cannock orbital then A460 passing the outskirts of hednesford into rugeley then Amazon there is no route map.
Quote from: bob on October 01, 2012, 09:29:24 PM
Runs about 3 times a day from 28 oct. goes through bloxwich.
Already running now, a nearly full 3741 seen on Pipers Row this afternoon. (Is the double decker at Cannock meant for the A1?)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8080393386
4791 and tamworths 4207 both on pye greens today
Quote from: arrivaaston on October 19, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
4791 and tamworths 4207 both on pye greens today
4207 was on the A1 earlier. Tony
whys there a tamworth decker at cannock?
permanent transfer or just a loan?
Quote from: bob on October 19, 2012, 02:04:41 PM
whys there a tamworth decker at cannock?
We'll have that back thank you very much!
Quote from: bob on October 19, 2012, 03:38:00 PM
permanent transfer or just a loan?
I would think just a loan whilst cannock wait for another ex London DB250 - 4786 S212JUA is still to be released from the MRC , but I could be wrong. Tony
I saw a Arriva double decker in Walsall today, that looked like a Gem.
Is this the same one youre talking about?
although 4207 has lost its City linx branding on repaint..... lol :)
If the rumour about the 75 being curtailed to Penkridge is true Cannock will be getting a couple more deckers !
Quote from: bob on October 19, 2012, 07:15:41 PM
although 4207 has lost its City linx branding on repaint..... lol :)
still had city linx branding on the offside when i saw ot this morning
There's another s/jua decker in cannocks yard but not sure on fleet number so maybe 4207 is borrowed and it has city linx branding on the left hand side of the bus
i hope Cannock gets a few more deckers :-)
It is nice to see deckers in cannock that aren't from wardle but I do think there wasted on pye greens, as its been said before, maybe be ideal if the pye greens were half horly rather than every 12 mins!!
I think the other decker at cannock is 4792
its pity that Cannocks routes interwork, cos they could be used on the 60/70 and even the 1 if it was routed under the other bridge! I really hope the Stafford services do get converted!!!!
The deckers could be used on the 70 route that interconnects with the 560 because I'm sure when travel did the 560 they used deckers and there used to be a decker used on the 31 rugeley to cannock route
The 31 goes up Brunswick road now so deckers would struggle. Plus the 70 is a busy route but the 560 & 76 which it interworks with are pretty quiet. Theres bound to be some service revisions coming up soon, cos Cannock havent had any for a while. I wonder if there is any truth in the rumour about the 75 being shortened
Is there much traffic between Cannock & Penkridge to justify shortening the route?
At least there's a Sunday service thesedays.
Green Bus/Warstones were Monday to Saturday daytimes only weren't they, from memory.
Its only rumour apparently, but it would make sense cos everyone would use the 76 which is not that busy currently
Would make sense to do that with the 75 and decker the 74's as most people prefer that 1 2 stafford, and on the subject of green bus it used to run mon-sat but wasn't it changed to saturday only and even then wasn't it like every 3 hours summert daft like that and if deckers do come back for 74's surely arriva would have something more modern than a trident??
I reckon theyll put Gemini's from somewhere on it
Quote from: covlad27 on October 19, 2012, 09:31:43 PM
I think the other decker at cannock is 4792
can anyone confirm the 2nd ALX400 , as 4792 was repoted at Thurmaston last week and there appeared to be 2 in the yard tonight. Tony
S218 JUA 4792 is the other ALX 400 decker parked up in Cannocks yard
Any more deckers coming to Cannock?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 23, 2012, 06:53:24 PM
One of the ALX 400 S*** JUA double decks was coming back into wolverhampton about 16:35 on the A1
4791 is on there tonight seen heading out of service towards Wolverhampton 21.00. Tony
Your wish for more Deckers at Cannock ( BOB ) has come true Cannock now have 3 Deckers on / S213 JUA / 4787 ( newest arrival ) / S217 JUA / 4791 / S218 JUA / 4792
There must be a reason for this surely? as the Amazon route only needs 1 vehicle......
They must be planning to use them on an existing route or converting one to decker
Normaly there on Pye Greens apart from the one used on the A1 or just sittin in the yard
Planning to use em on the pye greens regular? or maybe the Staffords
Quote from: SW 2012 on October 27, 2012, 12:50:06 PM
Your wish for more Deckers at Cannock ( BOB ) has come true Cannock now have 3 Deckers on / S213 JUA / 4787 ( newest arrival ) / S217 JUA / 4791 / S218 JUA / 4792
I beleive 4787 is Telfords, it was certainly working there before last weeks half term. Tony
S218 JUA on pye greens. Such a waste...
Another decker at cannock, today on pye greens 4779 S292JUA
Bloody hell is that 4 now? they should put them on stafford services at busy times (74/5) ! not on pye greens its a waste of diesel
I photographed 4791 on the Pye Greens today at 09:15, but photographed it again at 14:20 in Walsall on the A1. Don't know if the A1s interwork with the Pye Greens or it was just taken off to duplicate 4792 on the A1
If theyre going to be used on the Pye Greens regularly the frequency should be reduced, but then Arriva are stupid. An MPD was on the 1 Walsall on Sat!
Maybe the 1 that midland have (basicly wasted imo) will come to cannock when the whole take over is complete
Quote from: arrivaaston on November 08, 2012, 06:28:54 PM
Maybe the 1 that midland have (basicly wasted imo) will come to cannock when the whole take over is complete
As it is being used on the 756 every day which requires a double decker it is hardly being wasted
I didn't no midland had this route, I normaly see the deckers on the 19 that's why I said it was a waste because imo it is a waste of a decker like using them on pye greens is a waste
Quote from: arrivaaston on November 09, 2012, 12:34:26 AM
I didn't no midland had this route, I normaly see the deckers on the 19 that's why I said it was a waste because imo it is a waste of a decker like using them on pye greens is a waste
It does the 19 during the day in between it's two trips on the 756
What are Midlands other 2 deckers used on?
Both seen working the 10 in Wolverhampton on Monday,
oh another really busy service..not. Does anyone know whether theyre still planning to curtail the 75 to Cannock to Penkridge and double deck the 74 to Stafford?
Are the Deckers out & about today?
There's only 3 deckers at cannock now, 4779 and 4791 have been on A1's and 4792 was in the yard when I went past but 4787 is now at Telford, saw today working the Arriva staff shuttle... Total waste of a decker if you ask me
Yep total waste!
I wasn't even aware that telford used deckers till I saw it yesterday, its the first time I've ever seen a decker in telford if I'm honest
The 10 to Perton does get busy - even with 10 minute intervals. Often standing room only at peaks.
Nothing ever lasts at Cannock! I cant see their 61 plates lasting especially if the 825 goes back to Stafford garage. That'd be a good thing though, cos it wouldnt interwork with the 60 and then Deckers could be stuck on it, which are needed sometimes!!
S292 JUA on pye greens today going out of Cannock nearly empty! Why not stick em on the Staffords ?!
All 3 deckers were on Pye Greens this morning but to came off I assume to do tha Amazon contract and again not even half full
Aint it stupid when there are other busier routes
Very stupid, could at least use them on morning and evenings 74's where the seats would be filled unlike the Pye Greens where there half empty
Yep definately. but if the rumours come true Cannock will be getting deckers for the 74 soon. Cant see em using the 51 plate Geminis though, theyre 6yr older than the sb200s on it now its a bit of a step down
I think all the 51 plates have entered service at Wigston apart from the 4 at Burton, knowing cannock it will proberbly be more s/jua deckers or t/fgn or maybe a couple of lowlanders will transfer
Makes me laugh how the 1 at Burton gets four branded deckers when the 74 is a busier service
Some1 commented on this topic saying cannock used to have a few H/GPF volvos and M/SDA scanias, to my knowledge the M/SDA scanias were Tamworths and the H/GPF volvos were Derbys
The deckers cannock had were
4163 M163GRY
4165 M165GRY
4166 M166GRY
4178 M178GRY
4396 G646BPH
4397 G647BPH
4501 G501SFT
4569 D190FYM
4571 D171FYM
4572 D242FYM
Cannock had H651/6/7/8 GPF 3 of which were branded for Cannock to Birmingham 156 (wish theyd re start that route!) and briefly ran the M-SDA coach seated Scania refurbed with Arriva moquette
The deckers at burton are hardly ever on 1's at least 2 of them turn up on the 2's and I can't remember the H/GPF volvos at cannock and did the M/SDA scanias last long at cannock
The 156 finished and i think the VOLVOS moved but im sure 1 stayed for a long time after. The scania was a matter of weeks
The H-GPF were the ugliest buses ever
Was it the volvos that the green bus had that used to run the 156 and 4396 was 1 of my favourite deckers
Yea think so. The East Lancs bodies were soooo ugly tho on the H-GPFs, they look like they were based on the Nottingham City Transport design from the 70s
The D/FYM deckers wernt bad buses, think there better than these S/JUA deckers
Quote from: bob on November 15, 2012, 08:01:21 PM
The 156 finished and i think the VOLVOS moved but im sure 1 stayed for a long time after. The scania was a matter of weeks
one of the northern counties bodied volvo,s stayed on for the denso contract until that finished . Tony
I never liked Volvo Citybuses very much compared to Metro's/Olympians, they had that whiney tired Volvo engine sound, the H-XYT/H-DVM B10Ms and the B6s have it too
3302 was 1 of the worse I travelled on and I hated the L/TKA, L/HPP and the L/YCU volvos, awful buses!!
The L-YCU & L-HPP B6s, along with the L-YVK, P-PWW & P-RWU Darts were probably the WORST buses ever to run from Cannock. Always used on the longer routes too, Oh and the K-ORH, K-SRG L-TKB Darts too. I always liked the L-BNX's though. Dunno if anyone else agrees but older J-m reg Darts were alot quieter, then N& P reg onward sounded really noisy ( just like the MPDs) !
2030, 2058 and 2061 were my favourite darts back in the day and as u said bob the L/BNX, L/CPB and N/EHA darts wernt bad either to be honest, a lot better than the modern P/PWW and P/RWU darts that ended up at cannock
Quote from: arrivaaston on November 15, 2012, 07:41:03 PM
Some1 commented on this topic saying cannock used to have a few H/GPF volvos and M/SDA scanias, to my knowledge the M/SDA scanias were Tamworths and the H/GPF volvos were Derbys
The deckers cannock had were
4163 M163GRY
4165 M165GRY
4166 M166GRY
4178 M178GRY
4396 G646BPH
4397 G647BPH
4501 G501SFT
4569 D190FYM
4571 D171FYM
4572 D242FYM
M834SDA was used by Cannock for a short while in 2008 before going to Derby. Tony
Heartlands had 1 of these didn't they and did the M/SDA go to Arriva North East or were these the ones that went to Scotland?
Quote from: arrivaaston on November 16, 2012, 12:10:02 PM
Heartlands had 1 of these didn't they and did the M/SDA go to Arriva North East or were these the ones that went to Scotland?
the dp ones 4191-4193 went to scotland and became 7267-9 the others were sold via the stafford bus centre.Tony
So it was just some M/GRY and N/VVO scanias that went to Arriva N.E along with R/MNU and S/KJU olympians
If there are gonna be Deckers for the 74 i reckon itll be next year now :-/
I wouldn't mind seein a couple of lowlanders come from wigston to work the 74's, I think they're quite smart especialy sprayed in the new liverey
5 branded pulsars for the 74/75 means for out and 1 as a 'spare' so in cannock today on the staffords I saw
3719 FJ06ZTE
3729 YJ57BPZ
3730 YJ57BRF
Meanwhile over on 32's..........
2209 SN03LGC (This had a fault with it) and got replaced with.......
3603 V603DBC
2390 V338MBV
3731 YJ57BRF
Whilst on Pye Greens were various different buses including 3727 YJ57BUA
And the 3728 YJ57BUE tirned up on 60's!!
Perhaps theyre preparing to de brand them? and using them on anything?
I think they should of refurbed these for shrewsbury and sent the centros to cannock but as you've said before Bob, refurb them and brand them for the 1's (Huntington - Walsall) and maybe the 3701-3704 could transfer to Burton with the other commanders
3727-3731 were pay by Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust in 2007 for the 74/75 routes
3728 seems in a right state, its going blue at the rear, I think this is the 1 that had an accident, I think 2702 ran into the back of this 1
Didnt the deal with mid staffs last for something like 5 years? Didnt see any deckers in Cannock today, but a 61 plate Pulsar on the 33 and two of them on the Pye Greens! So the 60/825 mustve had different buses on
I saw 2 of them pass through leamore heading to walsall, the 1 had A1 Wolverhampton and the other just displayed Arriva Midlands
Quote from: bob on November 17, 2012, 06:13:51 PM
Didnt see any deckers in Cannock today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8194026566
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8192937883
2 of the 3 S-JUA deckers were on the A1 today, do they come off other Cannock services to operate the A1 or do they go back to Cannock garage and park up after each trip to Amazon?
been on Commander FG52 GGV tonight, jesus that bus is knackered
What routes could Stafford use them on though?
So 3701-3704 to stafford? Are stafford starting a new route then because they'd be wasted on stafford local routes, the V/KDA b6's that are there now don't get full, the W/SNR darts don't get full so what they going to use these commanders on?
Those 3727-31 VDLs were indeed purchsed as an agreement with the local authority, but that agreement is now life expired so Arriva are free to do with them what they wish.
Quote from: arrivaaston on November 18, 2012, 04:47:27 PM
So 3701-3704 to stafford? Are stafford starting a new route then because they'd be wasted on stafford local routes, the V/KDA b6's that are there now don't get full, the W/SNR darts don't get full so what they going to use these commanders on?
They arent going to Stafford? Read the post more carefully lol
Decker running empty on Pye Greens again today and I saw a 51 plate gem heading towards the bus station this morning
4207 is at the entrance of cannock depot tonight with one of the Alx400's waiting to take up the A1.
It must of been 4207 I saw then, that's the 1 that doesn't have 'city linx' branding isn't it? I didn't catch the reg or fleet so I assumed it as a 51 plate
I think this was debated on here last time 4207 was used it has no branding on the nearside as I saw tonight and as per tony,s picture , but still has city linx on the offside .
So it was that rather than a 51 plate then?
Just out of interest, if, and i say if, deckers are planned for Stafford service, any idea what they'll use?
Well all the 51 plate gems that were reserved have all gone to Wigston now so maybe a couple of Lowlanders could transfer? Or isn't there more S/JUA alx400's in reserve?
theire a bit old arent they? thatd downgrade the service
True but these days anything turns up on the staffords, I've seen the 36** volvos work it quite a lot
Yea thats very true. I just cant see it happening, them putting deckers on
4207 seems to of made another visit to Cannock, seen on the Pye Greens today so people of Tamworth, very sorry you may end up with a Scania, B6 or Merc on the 110, so unless 4787 returns from Telford but then again cannock have 4791 and 4792 and midland run the 3rd decker for A1's so any idea why 4207 is back at cannock?
As a reserve for the other two?
Possibly but wouldn't it make more sense to allocate another decker to cannock as a reserve rather than making another garrage short like tamworth, I'd of thought tamworth would need their deckers, its a wonder that old wreck parcked up in Derby hasn't come to cannock, we all know cannocks yard is arriva waste lol
What old wreck? I wanna know if theyre deffo deckering the Staffords
Thers an old volvo olympian parke up in Derbys yard from Arriva Merseyside, its on the N/CKB reg 3283 I think is the fleet number and it is sprayed in the new fleet colours
Doubt thatll be re entering service.
Its strange that Arriva Merseyside would send it to derby, maybe another 1 for wardles?? There was a time when there was an old decker from Yorkshire in the yard
Yea but dont think it was ever used mate. U. from cannock?
Yeah I'm cannock but as much as I can I travel around on the buses
Any deckers out and about in cannock today??
I personly don't understand why cannock sent a decker to midland when they had 1 for leicester, or why 1 was transfered to Telford, I've only ever seen it used on the arriva staff shuttle in Telford
The one transferred to telford 4787 was actually telfords and was only on loan to cannock during the half term.
What do telford use it on? Surely its a waste of a decker if its just being used as the staff shuttle??
i beleive its used on a college contact , so would be used on the shuttle in between duties.
Quote from: arrivaaston on December 06, 2012, 09:35:23 PM
I personly don't understand why cannock sent a decker to midland when they had 1 for leicester, or why 1 was transfered to Telford, I've only ever seen it used on the arriva staff shuttle in Telford
Why don't you understand?
There's a couple of things I didn't understand but tonys made it clear, I didn't understand why Telford had a decker because I've never known a decker to be allocated to Telford before and secondly I don't understand why Midland have 4 deckers, 1 for the A1 and 2 for the 10's what's the 4th 1 for?
756 school.
Gemini decker parked up in cannocks yard today dunno which one
Quote from: bob on December 16, 2012, 05:04:09 PM
Gemini decker parked up in cannocks yard today dunno which one
Could have been 4202 (TH) saw it on the A1 Amazon run in Walsall at 14.00 hrs along with I think 4791(one of the S...JUA reg anyway) and an unidentified single decker.
Instead of keep borrowing TH geminis why dont they just allocate cannock another decker?
My mate said that he saw a route 1 branded bus on the A1 yesterday and it could be 4207 that's the 1 that normaly comes to cannock from tamworth
oh right ye prob was then m8
What's happened to Cannock Deckers???? I've not seen them on Pye Greens and there was only 1 S/JUA decker in the yard on saturday night......
Quote from: ARRIVA SD on December 22, 2012, 08:30:18 PM
S217 JUA was on the Pye Green route today / 22 / 12 / 2012 and S218 JUA was on the Pye Green route 21 / 12 / 2012
see posting in 'Cannock garage happenings' for a photo I put on a couple of hours ago
Been on a East Lancs DAF Lowlander today, refurbed 52 plate, ace buses with amazin leg room! An dead fast, if Cannock do convert the 74 Stafford to Deckers i hope its these!
unless the 74/5 get moved from interworking on some 825 journeys no chance
Ive heard all the deckers from Cannock have gone so they are all back to single deckers again
Bloodyhell thats a shame :-( So the rumour about the Stafford service getting deckers was completely untrue then
Looks that way bob
Quote from: covlad27 on January 07, 2013, 07:41:17 AM
Ive heard all the deckers from Cannock have gone so they are all back to single deckers again
In Wolverhampton today, only 4779 at Wednesfield turned up on the A1, No Cannock deckers at all.
Cannock haven't got any deckers now, well they wasn't in the yard today and I've not seen them on the A1
Perhaps midland are operating it instead of cannock then