Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2024, 05:50:02 PMCarolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Just done a Google & it says they're based in Watery Lane Willenhall.
Old Midland Choice Travel premises?
@Wumpty ?
Quote from: Westy on February 02, 2024, 06:20:13 PMJust done a Google & it says they're based in Watery Lane Willenhall.
Old Midland Choice Travel premises?
@Wumpty ?
Midland Choice were not on Watery Lane, Willenhall
If you check fully you will see that is just the registered office, probably the owners home, DVSA lists the Operating centres in Darlaston & Norton Canes
So it's official!! Although it's going to a company I've never even heard of....and surely I'm not the only one?
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 06:27:22 PMMidland Choice were not on Watery Lane, Willenhall
If you check fully you will see that is just the registered office, probably the owners home, DVSA lists the Operating centres in Darlaston & Norton Canes
midland choice were originally based on watery lane towards neachells lane end. they moved to planetary road parking oneside garage the other.
there is a taxi company and coach company on watery lane at present too, but not that company name.
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 06:27:22 PMMidland Choice were not on Watery Lane, Willenhall
If you check fully you will see that is just the registered office, probably the owners home, DVSA lists the Operating centres in Darlaston & Norton Canes
Midland Choice Travel started operations renting premises from Edward Howell Galvanisers on Watery Lane. We had one unit housing circa 6-8 buses and maintenance facilities, with the rest of the vehicles outside on the pad (entrance was on the brow of the hill). We had blinds made showing "WILLENHALL Watery Lane" as the 171 ran in service terminating at the garage prior to evening service starting.
Operations then moved to Planetary Road for the D&G/Midland/Arriva period.
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2024, 05:50:02 PMCarolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
They are operated by the same people as Sovereign Coaches from the existing depot on Watery Lane:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06311278/officers
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2024, 05:50:02 PMCarolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Glad I'm not the only one who's never heard of them 😂
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 02, 2024, 08:39:33 PMSo it's official!! Although it's going to a company I've never even heard of....and surely I'm not the only one?
I understand that it is a successor to a former Walsall operator that lasted a few years some 15 years ago...
Quote from: Straightlines on February 02, 2024, 09:37:50 PMI understand that it is a successor to a former Walsall operator that lasted a few years some 15 years ago...
Surname of the proprietor is the same, but can't see any other link
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 09:44:14 PMSurname of the proprietor is the same, but can't see any other link
Successors don't necessarily have the exact same proprietors!
If someone who worked for one company sets up a new one 15 years later it doesn't make it a successor.
On that basis Banga Travel is a successor to WMPTE
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 09:56:04 PMIf someone who worked for one company sets up a new one 15 years later it doesn't make it a successor.
On that basis Banga Travel is a successor to WMPTE
Nobody mentioned anything about anyone working for past companies as an employee.
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2024, 05:50:02 PMCarolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Wonder what stuff they'll run it with, literally not a single thing about them online lol, their website claims they have multiple premier league football clients and a large coach fleet but no actual photos of their vehicles other than a NX Levante with their livery photoshopped on. https://caroleancoaches.com/fleet/
Quote from: EK40 on February 02, 2024, 10:35:36 PMWonder what stuff they'll run it with, literally not a single thing about them online lol, their website claims they have multiple premier league football clients and a large coach fleet but no actual photos of their vehicles other than a NX Levante with their livery photoshopped on. https://caroleancoaches.com/fleet/
Probably some dealer stock E200s Plain white.
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 09:44:14 PMSurname of the proprietor is the same, but can't see any other link
Their date of birth is August 1979 for both too.
Ajaz Ali of A2Z Travel
Ajaz Ali of Carolean Coaches
Quote from: winston on February 02, 2024, 11:00:54 PMTheir date of birth is August 1979 for both too.
Ajaz Ali of A2Z Travel
Ajaz Ali of Carolean Coaches
He should be aware of operating 'conditions' around Blakenall already, as A2Z previously operated on the old 328 & 329 around there!
Quote from: Westy on February 02, 2024, 11:37:05 PMHe should be aware of operating 'conditions' around Blakenall already, as A2Z previously operated on the old 328 & 329 around there!
It has probably changed a bit since then....
Quote from: winston on February 02, 2024, 11:37:55 PMIt has probably changed a bit since then....
once a shithole
@winston always a shithole 😂😂
QuoteProbably some dealer stock E200s Plain white.
Ah, but will they have bandit screens I wonder, as did the now deleted segment of the tender spec say that they had to be fitted etc?
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 09:44:14 PMSurname of the proprietor is the same, but can't see any other link
See Companies House and the Persons of significant control tab
They should buy TR6147 and give the passengers upper body armour and helmets.
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 03, 2024, 01:53:58 AMAh, but will they have bandit screens I wonder, as did the now deleted segment of the tender spec say that they had to be fitted etc?
As virtually every cheap second hand bus started life in London that is almost guaranteed
YX11 AEO is the first I believe which started life with Abellio, but has been with Vision Travel since 2020
Quote from: winston on February 02, 2024, 11:00:54 PMTheir date of birth is August 1979 for both too.
Ajaz Ali of A2Z Travel
Ajaz Ali of Carolean Coaches
And Sovereign inbetween
Quote from: metrocity on February 03, 2024, 08:36:56 AMSee Companies House and the Persons of significant control tab
Shazad Ali was the main man behind A2Z, he also went to Sovereign Coaches and is currently running 247 taxis in Willenhall
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 06:27:22 PMMidland Choice were not on Watery Lane, Willenhall
If you check fully you will see that is just the registered office, probably the owners home, DVSA lists the Operating centres in Darlaston & Norton Canes
I live in Darlaston there isn't an obvious place for them to be based where does it say they are based in Darlaston, wasn't there an Operator who had a base from Wolverhampton Street in Darlaston next to the canal, Central Logestics or something they were called they ran on the 79 I think and the 89. I believe there old Depot is now a lorry place.
If I start seeing Dealer White E200's then I'll know that must be one place there are based.
It seems interesting they will have 1 bus route. What is the PVR of the 19, NX had 2 buses on it I think so that's 2 buses with presumably 2 spare. Darlaston to Bloxwhich isn't to far for spare veichles just down the Black Country Route or up Midland Road into Short Heath and continue along the A462 passing the 529 by Willenhall Maccies and then into New Invention. Hopefully they have better luck. For a company who claim to be based in Darlaston and have a fleet of Coaches, I'm surprised I haven't seen them. Unless they do local School Trip contracts in that case it is a Plain White Old Looking Coach probably about 70 Seats as I live near a school so see it Park up to take the kids on there trips.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 11:48:05 AMI live in Darlaston there isn't an obvious place for them to be based where does it say they are based in Darlaston, wasn't there an Operator who had a base from Wolverhampton Street in Darlaston next to the canal, Central Logestics or something they were called they ran on the 79 I think and the 89. I believe there old Depot is now a lorry place.
If I start seeing Dealer White E200's then I'll know that must be one place there are based.
It seems interesting they will have 1 bus route. What is the PVR of the 19, NX had 2 buses on it I think so that's 2 buses with presumably 2 spare. Darlaston to Bloxwhich isn't to far for spare veichles just down the Black Country Route or up Midland Road into Short Heath and continue along the A462 passing the 529 by Willenhall Maccies and then into New Invention. Hopefully they have better luck. For a company who claim to be based in Darlaston and have a fleet of Coaches, I'm surprised I haven't seen them. Unless they do local School Trip contracts in that case it is a Plain White Old Looking Coach probably about 70 Seats as I live near a school so see it Park up to take the kids on there trips.
The first bus is not in dealer white.
Why not look it up yourself all depots are listed on the DVSA website (
Bhandal Business Park, Heath Road, Darlaston, WS10 8LP)
Weren't A2Z banned by the TC for a number of things including unreliable services and dangerous buses. I barely remember them in Walsall was A2Z taxis releated, If so my Grandparents always used them before my Grandma became wheelchair bound to get from there house in Moxley to various places. If we didn't get the 79 or 339/39
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2024, 11:15:02 AMShazad Ali was the main man behind A2Z, he also went to Sovereign Coaches and is currently running 247 taxis in Willenhall
He also owns between 25% and 50% of Carolean Coaches
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14864489/persons-with-significant-control
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2024, 12:04:50 PMThe first bus is not in dealer white.
Why not look it up yourself all depots are listed on the DVSA website ( Bhandal Business Park, Heath Road, Darlaston, WS10 8LP)
Heath Road ah Explains why I didn't see anything, been a while since I passed that way. The closest I go is Bentley Road South to watch Darlaston play.
Edit Bhandal Bussiness Park doesn't seem to exist and mapping the postcode they don't appear on the area.
On Streetview there Yard on Watery Lane does have a coach in it. Can't tell what it is
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 12:09:56 PMWeren't A2Z banned by the TC for a number of things including unreliable services and dangerous buses. I barely remember them in Walsall was A2Z taxis releated, If so my Grandparents always used them before my Grandma became wheelchair bound to get from there house in Moxley to various places. If we didn't get the 79 or 339/39
Didn't they have the contract for the old 351 at one point?
Quote from: Westy on February 03, 2024, 02:37:39 PMDidn't they have the contract for the old 351 at one point?
I wouldn't know I barely remember them Operating in Walsall
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2024, 08:45:40 AMAs virtually every cheap second hand bus started life in London that is almost guaranteed
YX11 AEO is the first I believe which started life with Abellio, but has been with Vision Travel since 2020
@Tony I can confirm your information is correct, I purposely drove past their depot earlier and it was parked on the yard it was the only Enviro parked on there yard (and it is indeed still in Vision Bus blue), I did see a plain white Levante and a Tourismo parked up too, I would like to assume they are aware that the 19 is a two bus working and I can only assume the other bus will be arriving in due course
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 02:27:13 PMHeath Road ah Explains why I didn't see anything, been a while since I passed that way. The closest I go is Bentley Road South to watch Darlaston play.
Edit Bhandal Bussiness Park doesn't seem to exist and mapping the postcode they don't appear on the area.
On Streetview there Yard on Watery Lane does have a coach in it. Can't tell what it is
Bhandal Business Park does exist as its listed on the Web. Possibly its a recent name.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 12:09:56 PMWeren't A2Z banned by the TC for a number of things including unreliable services and dangerous buses. I barely remember them in Walsall was A2Z taxis releated, If so my Grandparents always used them before my Grandma became wheelchair bound to get from there house in Moxley to various places. If we didn't get the 79 or 339/39
Yep. They also won the tenders for the 516/517 services to Pattingham. Some of their buses were acquired by Midland (formerly Choice Travel) I think.
Is there any ex nx 17xx still with the green bus available foe sale.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 03, 2024, 09:05:56 PMYep. They also won the tenders for the 516/517 services to Pattingham. Some of their buses were acquired by Midland (formerly Choice Travel) I think.
Pictures of their fleet are on the main site
https://www.wmbusphotos.com/ceased/A2Z/fleetlist.html
A2Z routes I remember operating during their years of operation
9 Walsall - Lodge Farm
18 Wolverhampton - Lyndale Park
51 Walsall - Birmingham (Sundays only)
301 Walsall - Mossley
303 Bilston - County Bridge
303A/C Walsall - Bloxwich - Lower Farm Circular
327 Willenhall - Wednesbury
328/329 Walsall - Blakenhall Circular
331 Walsall - Willenhall
338 Walsall - Darlaston
339 Walsall - Bilston
340/341 Walsall - New Invention / Willenhall
351 Walsall - Cannock (Sundays)
360 Walsall - High Heath - Aldridge
376 Walsall - Kingstanding
394 Walsall - Brownhills
511 Wolverhampton - Underhill
512/513 Wolverhampton - Warstones
516/517 Wolverhampton - Pattingham
529 Walsall - Wolverhampton (Sundays only)
575 Wolverhampton - Bilston
991 Walsall - Lichfield
Possibly more I've forgotten
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 03, 2024, 09:03:27 PMBhandal Business Park does exist as its listed on the Web. Possibly its a recent name.
Not on Google Maps it doesn't but I will check next time I'm around that way
I thought the purpose of this topic was to discuss this new operator Carolean Coaches?
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 09:41:09 AMI thought the purpose of this topic was to discuss this new operator Carolean Coaches?
It's ironic that out of the handful of posts discussing the operational history of the new operator's owners, which you're objecting to, four have been authored by the forum owner!
Isn't that where that one Foodservice company that was on a Channel 5 documentary in the last couple of years is based?
(Name escapes me?)
(I know it's not Blakemores, as that's on Steelmans Road!)
Quote from: Westy on February 04, 2024, 12:47:09 PMIsn't that where that one Foodservice company that was on a Channel 5 documentary in the last couple of years is based?
(Name escapes me?)
(I know it's not Blakemores, as that's on Steelmans Road!)
Euro Foods Group?
On Google maps there is a thing near to it listed as Transport Yard marked as a Shop is this there yard
You also have the Fatima Food Group nearer to Darlaston
Euro Foods is the junction of Kendricks Road
Quote from: metrocity on February 04, 2024, 10:09:07 AMIt's ironic that out of the handful of posts discussing the operational history of the new operator's owners, which you're objecting to, four have been authored by the forum owner!
I'm just politely trying to get this topic back on the subject of Carolean Coaches, thank you.
Does anyone know how long Carolean have the contract for? Is it a completely new contract or does the length include the time Chaserider have operated it?
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 04, 2024, 04:31:48 PMDoes anyone know how long Carolean have the contract for? Is it a completely new contract or does the length include the time Chaserider have operated it?
As the contract was put out to tender by TfWM, it will be a new one. I don't know how long it is for though.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 04, 2024, 04:31:48 PMDoes anyone know how long Carolean have the contract for? Is it a completely new contract or does the length include the time Chaserider have operated it?
It's a new contract until October 2026 however there is a mutual termination clause if either party wishes to terminate it sooner
Quote from: Lynx1103 on February 03, 2024, 09:42:32 PMIs there any ex nx 17xx still with the green bus available foe sale.
Yes, but they are only Euro3, so won't be suitable for use on public bus services in the West Midlands.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 05:14:20 PMYes, but they are only Euro3, so won't be suitable for use on public bus services in the West Midlands.
Rather Strangely 1750 & 1751 show on London ULEZ checker as acceptable hence why a London operator (Horseferry, Fulham) purchased 1751 which was quite heavily robbed at Walsall but put back together by The Bus Works.
They are both definitely still Euro 3 so don't know how that happened. The only two Euro 6 ones are 1779 & 1780 in the training fleet.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 05:14:20 PMYes, but they are only Euro3, so won't be suitable for use on public bus services in the West Midlands.
They did have quite a large number of E400 MK1 and MK2 euro 6. Does anyone know which ones they still have now?
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=368489862790828&set=a.104090272564123)
Quote from: 2206 on February 04, 2024, 11:57:52 PMThey did have quite a large number of E400 MK1 and MK2 euro 6. Does anyone know which ones they still have now?
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=368489862790828&set=a.104090272564123)
E400 bit overkill for the 19 the E200 they have listed may be perfect if it is Euro 6. I know Arriva used DAF DB250 on the 19 back when it ran to Wolverhampton
If it's an e400 then there's more targets for the yoots to aim at.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 01:16:58 AME400 bit overkill for the 19 the E200 they have listed may be perfect if it is Euro 6. I know Arriva used DAF DB250 on the 19 back when it ran to Wolverhampton
Plenty of used Enviro 200s and Optare Solos on the market. The cost of conversion to Euro 6 is about 12-15k. No reason to buy a Enviro 400 at all.
Quote from: MW on February 05, 2024, 03:00:56 PMPlenty of used Enviro 200s and Optare Solos on the market. The cost of conversion to Euro 6 is about 12-15k. No reason to buy a Enviro 400 at all.
I know someone just said there is an E400 for sale the 19 with NX used mostly E200's, B7's seemed a bit overkill for it when they were used. It does get busy the 19 but the 29 is the main route through there so that is busier.
I hope Carlolean know what they have got themselves in for on the 19 and are prepared to have Veichles of the road with damage. They should have 2 actually Operating plus 2 spare.
It will be interesting to see what other work they bid for or if they start there own routes. I have heard people of Lodge Farm complain about the 41's reliability and suggested bringing back the 40 before me and someone else pointed the 37 exists. However they stated they wanted a quicker bus than the 37 to Walsall as an alternative for the 41. So they could bring back the 40 maybe only between Willenhall and Walsall. Other than that and maybe running a bus to Cannock via the old Direct X51 Route there isn't else much I can see them running on that hasn't been tried and failed. I realise Arriva failed on the Cannock to Walsall routes but that was during and before the X51 being 1 more frequent to Cannock and 2 running the same route, now it takes a different route could be worth a look. If not the 40 could be brought back. If not let's hope the 19 doesn't kill them with the Anti Social Behaviour And they can make it work to maybe run it commercially if they so wished.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 05:38:49 PMI know someone just said there is an E400 for sale the 19 with NX used mostly E200's, B7's seemed a bit overkill for it when they were used. It does get busy the 19 but the 29 is the main route through there so that is busier.
I hope Carlolean know what they have got themselves in for on the 19 and are prepared to have Veichles of the road with damage. They should have 2 actually Operating plus 2 spare.
It will be interesting to see what other work they bid for or if they start there own routes. I have heard people of Lodge Farm complain about the 41's reliability and suggested bringing back the 40 before me and someone else pointed the 37 exists. However they stated they wanted a quicker bus than the 37 to Walsall as an alternative for the 41. So they could bring back the 40 maybe only between Willenhall and Walsall. Other than that and maybe running a bus to Cannock via the old Direct X51 Route there isn't else much I can see them running on that hasn't been tried and failed. I realise Arriva failed on the Cannock to Walsall routes but that was during and before the X51 being 1 more frequent to Cannock and 2 running the same route, now it takes a different route could be worth a look. If not the 40 could be brought back. If not let's hope the 19 doesn't kill them with the Anti Social Behaviour And they can make it work to maybe run it commercially if they so wished.
See I said this the other day, if they do well and can prove they are reliable etc then maybe they will get offered routes to run by TfWM (I don't really know if that's a thing that happens – I'm sure
@Tony would be able to clarify?) but anyway if it does then I can see them being offered the 35A from Chaserider, because I'm aware of an instance I think it was before Christmas now where the bus broke down on the 35A and the service did not operate for well over 2 hours because I'm led to believe Chaserider didn't have a Euro 6 bus spare and they didn't want to put a Euro 5 vehicle on there;
As I said above I don't know if that does happen with TfWM if an operater isn't doing any good on a route or has no end of breakdowns and or lost mileage it can be taken off them and given to another operator I'm sure somebody can clarify this please?
QuoteSee I said this the other day, if they do well and can prove they are reliable etc then maybe they will get offered routes to run by TfWM (I don't really know if that's a thing that happens – I'm sure @Tony would be able to clarify?) but anyway if it does then I can see them being offered the 35A from Chaserider, because I'm aware of an instance I think it was before Christmas now where the bus broke down on the 35A and the service did not operate for well over 2 hours because I'm led to believe Chaserider didn't have a Euro 6 bus spare and they didn't want to put a Euro 5 vehicle on there;
As I said above I don't know if that does happen with TfWM if an operater isn't doing any good on a route or has no end of breakdowns and or lost mileage it can be taken off them and given to another operator I'm sure somebody can clarify this please?
It would go to open tender if TfWM or the operator ended the contract early
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 05:38:49 PMI know someone just said there is an E400 for sale the 19 with NX used mostly E200's, B7's seemed a bit overkill for it when they were used. It does get busy the 19 but the 29 is the main route through there so that is busier.
I hope Carlolean know what they have got themselves in for on the 19 and are prepared to have Veichles of the road with damage. They should have 2 actually Operating plus 2 spare.
It sounds as if the directors have links with the management of a former Walsall operator, so I'm sure they know what they've got themselves into. In terms of 2 operating and 2 spare, they'd be running at a loss. (I'm not sure what the PVR is but I'm going by what you've said.)
Spare compliant vehicles become viable when your operating PVR is higher than 2, that's for sure. I'm sure they've got plans to become bigger in that region, rather than just stick to the 19.
What'll be interesting to see is the price they've won the tender at.
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 05, 2024, 07:29:52 PMSee I said this the other day, if they do well and can prove they are reliable etc then maybe they will get offered routes to run by TfWM (I don't really know if that's a thing that happens – I'm sure Tony (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) would be able to clarify?)
Operators don't get 'offered' routes by TfWM, contracts go out to tender for bidding on.
Quote from: Stu on February 05, 2024, 08:47:56 PMOperators don't get 'offered' routes by TfWM, contracts go out to tender for bidding on.
As I said I wasn't sure how it works
Quote from: MW on February 05, 2024, 08:17:01 PMIt sounds as if the directors have links with the management of a former Walsall operator, so I'm sure they know what they've got themselves into. In terms of 2 operating and 2 spare, they'd be running at a loss. (I'm not sure what the PVR is but I'm going by what you've said.)
Spare compliant vehicles become viable when your operating PVR is higher than 2, that's for sure. I'm sure they've got plans to become bigger in that region, rather than just stick to the 19.
What'll be interesting to see is the price they've won the tender at.
Well they need 1 spare in case 1 veichle breaks down or being Blakenall gets smashed
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 11:46:29 PMWell they need 1 spare in case 1 veichle breaks down or being Blakenall gets smashed
In theory if they already have coaches then they could use a coach as long as its PSVAR equipped (I.e wheelchair lift, LED display blinds etc).
Quote from: Lukeee on February 05, 2024, 11:50:10 PMIn theory if they already have coaches then they could use a coach as long as its PSVAR equipped (I.e wheelchair lift, LED display blinds etc).
Won't using a wheelchair lift slow things down with loading / unloading?
Quote from: Westy on February 06, 2024, 12:18:53 AMWon't using a wheelchair lift slow things down with loading / unloading?
Not if you don't see the intending passenger
Quote from: Lukeee on February 05, 2024, 11:50:10 PMIn theory if they already have coaches then they could use a coach as long as its PSVAR equipped (I.e wheelchair lift, LED display blinds etc).
Oh right would the Passsngers have been seatbelted or not
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 06, 2024, 10:54:51 AMOh right would the Passsngers have been seatbelted or not
If a seat belt is provided then the passengers should use it, same as on the rare instance of a seat belted bus being used on any service. However the likely hood of passengers actually using the seat belts is very unlikely.
Quote from: Lukeee on February 05, 2024, 11:50:10 PMIn theory if they already have coaches then they could use a coach as long as its PSVAR equipped (I.e wheelchair lift, LED display blinds etc).
That is not correct, the vehicle needs to be low floor which a coach is not
So a few things,
I've heard that the new contract states that buses MUST have bandit alarms, in my opinion bandit alarms don't do anything I was on a national express West Midlands 47 the other day and some guy got on long story short he refused to get off so driver turned bus off and put the bandit alarm on 2 police vehicles passed do you think they stopped hearing that alarm blaring no they carried on, bandit alarms don't mean anything no one pays attention to them when they are going off,
Secondly, from what I've heard I'm not saying I'm right or it's true before the comments start, I have heard that this company will only have 2 enviro 200s one being ex vision bus, if this is the case I'd love to know how they are going to manage when they have a window or as it has happened to Chaserider before both vehicles have windows smashed if they only have 2 vehicles how are they going to cope, I'm assuming they are going to need at least 4 buses for this route even then with the 19 route I don't think that is enough buses because I'm assuming they will have to have a company like PSV glass come out to replace their windows, this sometimes can take a few days, if they get targeted again the next day with spare buses it won't be good.
They appear to be a coach company based in Willienhall, and according to the TfWM website they are taking over the 19 from Chaserider on Sunday. https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
@winston I think this needs deleting someone has created another thread for this company despite the fact I did that the other day 🙄🙄
Drove past there yard earlier and noted that the Vision Bus Enviro has vanished I would like to assume that maybe they had possibly sent it off for paint during this week sometime and it'll be in plain white ready for Sunday (I mean pigs might fly of course) but stranger things have happened; it would appear that it has had a V5C change (this week) so I can only assume that maybe they have purchased that bus from Vision
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 09, 2024, 11:20:57 PM@winston I think this needs deleting someone has created another thread for this company despite the fact I did that the other day 🙄🙄
My apologies, I did look and couldn't find one that already exists but I've just looked again and I can confirm I am definitley blind, sorry.
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 09, 2024, 11:26:35 PMDrove past there yard earlier and noted that the Vision Bus Enviro has vanished I would like to assume that maybe they had possibly sent it off for paint during this week sometime and it'll be in plain white ready for Sunday (I mean pigs might fly of course) but stranger things have happened; it would appear that it has had a V5C change (this week) so I can only assume that maybe they have purchased that bus from Vision
Chartwell has/had a few Vision E200s, which are Euro 6 converted.
Quote from: MW on February 09, 2024, 11:45:54 PMChartwell has/had a few Vision E200s, which are Euro 6 converted.
I found the exact one (YX11 AEO) so it obvious that Carolean must of either purchased or leased it from Chartwell
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 10, 2024, 12:27:07 AMI found the exact one (YX11 AEO) so it obvious that Carolean must of either purchased or leased it from Chartwell
Euro 6 isn't as hard to get these days. Between 20-30k gets you something that's been converted. Chartwell have also got a Euro 6 converted Optare Versa - it looks like an ex Decourcey one.
Time will tell if these Enviros are reliable. Don't quote me but I believe these YX11 Enviros have NX style interiors. New to Abellio?
Quote from: MW on February 10, 2024, 12:45:22 AMEuro 6 isn't as hard to get these days. Between 20-30k gets you something that's been converted. Chartwell have also got a Euro 6 converted Optare Versa - it looks like an ex Decourcey one.
Time will tell if these Enviros are reliable. Don't quote me but I believe these YX11 Enviros have NX style interiors. New to Abellio?
correct
@MW I would assume it was new to or owned by at some stage Travel London (or is that going a little too far back?)
Please browse or search the forum before starting a new topic, there is already a thread for this new operator:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6654.0
Interesting tweet from Safer Travel WM with an accompanying letter.
Seems they've forgotten that NX haven't run the 19 for quite some time!
https://twitter.com/ST_Police/status/1755601284877758486
(Posted this on the 29 vandalism post as it refers to the 29 too)
Running of route 19 started today with YX11 AEO saw it leaving Fastline's yard to take up 10.00 start from Walsall bus station.Also in yard former Panther Travel AS09 PAN (LJ09KPT).
YX11 AEO | Today (Sunday 11th Feb) saw the start of Carolean... | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/53522529605/in/dateposted/)
Quote from: andyh on February 11, 2024, 10:54:29 AMRunning of route 19 started today with YX11 AEO saw it leaving Fastline's yard to take up 10.00 start from Walsall bus station.Also in yard former Panther Travel AS09 PAN (LJ09KPT).
YX11 AEO | Today (Sunday 11th Feb) saw the start of Carolean... | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/53522529605/in/dateposted/)
Fastline are based in Pleck, Carloean's depot is listed as Darlaston any link between the two or are they just using this as storage. As whenever I have past Fastline's depot they do sometimes have other coaches in the yard.
First Impressions, Bus is in a livery and has there name and legals on it better than Travel Express, Driver and Second Driver possibly are in a Uniform and have Hi Vi's Jackets on, there isn't any fare information that I could see but so far they don't look like a cowboy Operator. Will be interesting to see if they do get a livery either this Blue Livery or something else.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 11, 2024, 11:57:29 AMFastline are based in Pleck, Carloean's depot is listed as Darlaston any link between the two or are they just using this as storage. As whenever I have past Fastline's depot they do sometimes have other coaches in the yard.
First Impressions, Bus is in a livery and has there name and legals on it better than Travel Express, Driver and Second Driver possibly are in a Uniform and have Hi Vi's Jackets on, there isn't any fare information that I could see but so far they don't look like a cowboy Operator. Will be interesting to see if they do get a livery either this Blue Livery or something else.
that blue is Vision Bus livery and plus I've noted there is no ticket machine thus they are not tracking; oh and there running early me & my partner witnessed it leaving Bloxwich 4 mins early it was supposed of departed at 13:30 but he chose to leave 4 mins early and he was back in Walsall early too
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 11, 2024, 11:57:29 AMFastline are based in Pleck, Carloean's depot is listed as Darlaston any link between the two or are they just using this as storage. As whenever I have past Fastline's depot they do sometimes have other coaches in the yard.
First Impressions, Bus is in a livery and has there name and legals on it better than Travel Express, Driver and Second Driver possibly are in a Uniform and have Hi Vi's Jackets on, there isn't any fare information that I could see but so far they don't look like a cowboy Operator. Will be interesting to see if they do get a livery either this Blue Livery or something else.
Had a ride on YX11 AEO earlier. Seemed alright to fair. Whilst the vehicle may still be in Vision Bus colours, it has logos on which clearly state the company name. Drivers have uniform and hi-vizs.
Only negative points I would say are that the vehicles currently have no ticket machines at the moment nor any assault screen.
Regarding the fleet, I've been told they have x2 ex Vision Bus E200's, so I'm guessing that ex Panther Travel E200 would mean they have three.
It is only the first day though, so we will see how things go. But it is good to see new operators giving bus work a go in the West Midlands.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 11, 2024, 02:19:05 PMHad a ride on YX11 AEO earlier. Seemed alright to fair. Whilst the vehicle may still be in Vision Bus colours, it has logos on which clearly state the company name. Drivers have uniform and hi-vizs.
Only negative points I would say are that the vehicles currently have no ticket machines at the moment nor any assault screen.
Regarding the fleet, I've been told they have x2 ex Vision Bus E200's, so I'm guessing that ex Panther Travel E200 would mean they have three.
It is only the first day though, so we will see how things go. But it is good to see new operators giving bus work a go in the West Midlands.
@Michael Bevan I 100% agree it's refreshing to see a this new operator giving service work a crack unlike the usual operators hopefully this company does well and hopefully manages to get other work
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 11, 2024, 02:11:06 PMthat blue is Vision Bus livery and plus I've noted there is no ticket machine thus they are not tracking; oh and there running early me & my partner witnessed it leaving Bloxwich 4 mins early it was supposed of departed at 13:30 but he chose to leave 4 mins early and he was back in Walsall early too
4 minutes early if he has no Ticket machine might be a fast watch or something. When they do get Ticket Machines then they should be Able to keep to time
Do they have two buses out today being a normal Weekday timetable. And are they still using the Fastline yard on Wednesbury Road or are the actually going to be using Heath Lane
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 11, 2024, 02:19:05 PMHad a ride on YX11 AEO earlier. Seemed alright to fair. Whilst the vehicle may still be in Vision Bus colours, it has logos on which clearly state the company name. Drivers have uniform and hi-vizs.
Only negative points I would say are that the vehicles currently have no ticket machines at the moment nor any assault screen.
Regarding the fleet, I've been told they have x2 ex Vision Bus E200's, so I'm guessing that ex Panther Travel E200 would mean they have three.
It is only the first day though, so we will see how things go. But it is good to see new operators giving bus work a go in the West Midlands.
Following on from my post the other day, I had a ride on YX11 AEE to Bloxwich this morning. Much better than AEO the other day. Cab assault screen was evident, working CCTV is shown on the vehicle and to top it off I had a nice/happy driver who was telling me the service has apparently been quite busy over the last couple of days (which I can believe as 16 people boarded the service which I caught on Sunday)!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 13, 2024, 07:53:59 AMFollowing on from my post the other day, I had a ride on YX11 AEE to Bloxwich this morning. Much better than AEO the other day. Cab assault screen was evident, working CCTV is shown on the vehicle and to top it off I had a nice/happy driver who was telling me the service has apparently been quite busy over the last couple of days (which I can believe as 16 people boarded the service which I caught on Sunday)!
it's all good at the moment Michael but when they start having windows smashed I'm sure drivers opinions will change then; it was like when Chaserider took it on all of the drivers some being ex Arriva; Diamond and NX who have driven the route prior knew what to expect; although there were others that didn't
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 13, 2024, 09:26:23 AMit's all good at the moment Michael but when they start having windows smashed I'm sure drivers opinions will change then; it was like when Chaserider took it on all of the drivers some being ex Arriva; Diamond and NX who have driven the route prior knew what to expect; although there were others that didn't
The Yobs are a bit busy in Beechdale at the moment, but they may remain happy as they are taking on a route and maybe despite the ASB are happy to provide a community service. If these do withdraw, it will not only possibly put the company at risk they only operate this route. Unless they find other work but will mean a community looses it's bus service. Yes the 29 exists but the 19 covers parts the 29 doesn't and vice Versa. Hopefully they have had Prior warning from some of the community what to expect.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 13, 2024, 12:13:19 PMThe Yobs are a bit busy in Beechdale at the moment, but they may remain happy as they are taking on a route and maybe despite the ASB are happy to provide a community service. If these do withdraw, it will not only possibly put the company at risk they only operate this route. Unless they find other work but will mean a community looses it's bus service. Yes the 29 exists but the 19 covers parts the 29 doesn't and vice Versa. Hopefully they have had Prior warning from some of the community what to expect.
Well, if he's previously operated in the area, as previously mentioned, or reads the newspapers, then you'd thought he'd have a fair idea what to expect.
You'd like to think TfWM would've officially briefed them with what's what?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 13, 2024, 07:53:59 AMFollowing on from my post the other day, I had a ride on YX11 AEE to Bloxwich this morning. Much better than AEO the other day. Cab assault screen was evident, working CCTV is shown on the vehicle and to top it off I had a nice/happy driver who was telling me the service has apparently been quite busy over the last couple of days (which I can believe as 16 people boarded the service which I caught on Sunday)!
I'm sure the regulars are more than happy they have a company who aren't finishing early again too!
Quote from: Westy on February 13, 2024, 01:53:31 PMWell, if he's previously operated in the area, as previously mentioned, or reads the newspapers, then you'd thought he'd have a fair idea what to expect.
You'd like to think TfWM would've officially briefed them with what's what?
But when he last Operated In the area was the Vandalism as bad was it targeted more at NX buses than now just any bus. I certainly didn't hear as often as I do about buses being attacked. Darlaston Specifically Rough Hay on the 334 (34) and Herberts Park on the 339 (39) seemed to be bad for having buses attacked. It doesn't happen now a days. Beechdale always had a reputation, Lodge Farm which now sees the 41 get attacked I've been through loads of times never been attacked so that is a new trend. Blakenall has always had a reputation but I don't know if it was bad for buses being attacked back in the old 329 days back when A2Z ran. But hopefully he does know and has prepared his drivers. They do have a spare bus so that is a sign they are prepared, I do think they need 1 more just in case as on the 29 a B7 could get attacked, the replacement E200 then gets attacked before say an E400 goes onto the diversion route
Quote from: Jack on February 13, 2024, 04:08:38 PMI'm sure the regulars are more than happy they have a company who aren't finishing early again too!
Chaserider had there reasons for doing that how many times do you need to be told that!
Carolean had an all white Tourismo - BX15OEE on rail replacement duties at Coventry today.
The Third bus is ex Panther Travel AS09 PAN.
Watery Lane is only a temporary home and they are moving to new leased premises in Bescot soon, when the landlord has finished preparing the site.
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2024, 09:22:55 PMThe Third bus is ex Panther Travel AS09 PAN.
Watery Lane is only a temporary home and they are moving to new leased premises in Bescot soon, when the landlord has finished preparing the site.
What about Heath Road that is listed as the address, they are using Fastline's depot in Pleck at the minute unless they have gone to Heath Road
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2024, 09:22:55 PMThe Third bus is ex Panther Travel AS09 PAN.
Watery Lane is only a temporary home and they are moving to new leased premises in Bescot soon, when the landlord has finished preparing the site.
they have 2 addresses
@Tony they have the Watery Lane address (as listed on Google Maps) then the legals on there vehicles state the depot is:
Carolean Coaches Ltd.
Bhandal Business Park
Heath Road
Darlaston WS10 8LP
But I've looked on Google and that Heath Road is quite a long road and have industrial units either side so I don't know what that depot is
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 15, 2024, 12:12:03 AMthey have 2 addresses @Tony they have the Watery Lane address (as listed on Google Maps) then the legals on there vehicles state the depot is:
Carolean Coaches Ltd.
Bhandal Business Park
Heath Road
Darlaston WS10 8LP
But I've looked on Google and that Heath Road is quite a long road and have industrial units either side so I don't know what that depot is
The Postcode alludes to an area from just before the The Green/Heath Road Junction with Bentley Road South where the 37 turns off and just before the Junction with Kendricks Road which many years ago is where James Bridge Copper Works used to be and will eventually lead down to the new train station. Most of that side has the old Charles Richards and Sons Factory from Bentley Road South to EMR Darlaston's Heath Road Entrance, there is a gap in the middle where the signs on Streetview say RB Forgings and there is a icon for George Dyke Limited which says Permanently closed looking at it there is Garage maybe there so it could be there behind the wall. The Opposite Side is a derelict Building, and then Industrial Units behind Trees, There is a Car auction opposite EMR further down and just after where the Postcode area ends is an area listed as Transport Yard this appears to be for Wagons. So If I had to guess it is just after the Charles Richards and Sons Factory and just before EMR on the left hand side if heading to Walsall the right handside if heading to Darlaston. The furthest back it goes is to the Walsall and Wolverhampton Line and there certainly is no evidence of a bus yard from Bentley Road South as EMR, a truck depot on the former Boat Pub site and the afformended Factory and railway block any views. Although the Yard would have a wall between it and the canal looking at Google Maps and Streetview
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 15, 2024, 12:12:03 AMthey have 2 addresses @Tony they have the Watery Lane address (as listed on Google Maps) then the legals on there vehicles state the depot is:
Carolean Coaches Ltd.
Bhandal Business Park
Heath Road
Darlaston WS10 8LP
But I've looked on Google and that Heath Road is quite a long road and have industrial units either side so I don't know what that depot is
The 'legals' address listed on the vehicle is just that, the legally registered company address of that bus operator.
It is not referring to any depot address. Look at any National Express bus, the address shown on the side is Mill Street, Digbeth, which is their head office at Birmingham coach station, not a depot.
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2024, 07:58:46 PMThe 'legals' address listed on the vehicle is just that, the legally registered company address of that bus operator.
It is not referring to any depot address. Look at any National Express bus, the address shown on the side is Mill Street, Digbeth, which is their head office at Birmingham coach station, not a depot.
Correct. The Legal lettering for Midland Choice Travel was Liyell Limited, 32 High Street, Codnor, Derbyshire - imagine the dead mileage between there and the Mossley Estate!
Chatting to one of the local councillors today and there's much positivity around the new operator and the lengths that TfWM has gone to secure and to maintain service.
I'm hoping, along with many others, that the antisocial behaviour break lasts, though I'd be interested to see Carolean's response and continuity plans should anything happen.
Quote from: Wumpty on February 15, 2024, 09:02:03 PMChatting to one of the local councillors today and there's much positivity around the new operator and the lengths that TfWM has gone to secure and to maintain service.
I'm hoping, along with many others, that the antisocial behaviour break lasts, though I'd be interested to see Carolean's response and continuity plans should anything happen.
They [TfWM] clearly couldn't of been a fan of Chaserider because I'll bet that never happened to them, some drivers I've spoke too claim all Chaserider saw when they won 19 is pound signs not putting into account what the ex Arriva drivers had told them about the ASB on the route I said it before and I'll say it again, I just hope Carolean do well and manage to keep the route and it doesn't end up bouncing back to Chaserider
I have seen that Carolean coaches are now on bus times and their 3 enviro 200s have been added to their fleet list. However they have not tracked once since they took over the route. Do they still not have ticket machines yet. I will say I bet coalpool and Blakenall are loving life with this company at the moment. God help them when they get ticket machines and start charging people especially with the bus which does not have a cab screen fitted. You will find when they start charging they will that's where they will get trouble and windows starting to get smashed which will then unfortunately give them a hard time running with only 3 buses. Chaserider had 2 buses smashed at the same time if this happens to these they will struggle really bad. And if they have to rely on somone like PSV glass then they can be waiting days for new glass meaning only one bus will be operating and if that gets smashed. Shame really because coalpool and Blakenall will not be happy when they have to start paying on the route or get refused for not having a ticket.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 19, 2024, 12:31:13 AMI have seen that Carolean coaches are now on bus times and their 3 enviro 200s have been added to their fleet list. However they have not tracked once since they took over the route. Do they still not have ticket machines yet. I will say I bet coalpool and Blakenall are loving life with this company at the moment. God help them when they get ticket machines and start charging people especially with the bus which does not have a cab screen fitted. You will find when they start charging they will that's where they will get trouble and windows starting to get smashed which will then unfortunately give them a hard time running with only 3 buses. Chaserider had 2 buses smashed at the same time if this happens to these they will struggle really bad. And if they have to rely on somone like PSV glass then they can be waiting days for new glass meaning only one bus will be operating and if that gets smashed. Shame really because coalpool and Blakenall will not be happy when they have to start paying on the route or get refused for not having a ticket.
Not charging?
They must be collecting fares somehow, else we would've heard already about 'free' buses on the route!
Given the short notice nature of things the likelihood would be that ticket machines are still on order and being dealt with.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 19, 2024, 12:31:13 AMI have seen that Carolean coaches are now on bus times and their 3 enviro 200s have been added to their fleet list. However they have not tracked once since they took over the route. Do they still not have ticket machines yet. I will say I bet coalpool and Blakenall are loving life with this company at the moment. God help them when they get ticket machines and start charging people especially with the bus which does not have a cab screen fitted. You will find when they start charging they will that's where they will get trouble and windows starting to get smashed which will then unfortunately give them a hard time running with only 3 buses. Chaserider had 2 buses smashed at the same time if this happens to these they will struggle really bad. And if they have to rely on somone like PSV glass then they can be waiting days for new glass meaning only one bus will be operating and if that gets smashed. Shame really because coalpool and Blakenall will not be happy when they have to start paying on the route or get refused for not having a ticket.
You do realise NX charged and had no trouble at all, Arriva and Igo at ran one point ran it with no Trouble Charging for fares, Igo I don't think had Assault Screens, Arriva some buses did some didn't, and even NX on the 29 who have Assault Screens still get ASB, Assault Screens or lack of don't do much to prevent people refusing to pay fares. If anything it just means people either spit at it or bang it with there fists. There is a video on YouTube I think on the 8A/8C of a man threatening an NX Driver demanding him to Come on Outside pounding his Fists on the Assault Screen, Yes had it not been there he probably could have assaulted the Driver. But he could have anyway by spitting. If the Spit goes through the little Holes and it is intentional that is Assault.
Presumably Carolean have some form of Payment otherwise they are Operating at a loss right now and TFWM wouldn't be happy. Presumably they might be using the old Ticket Machines that came with the bus that aren't Tracking as they are still linked to Vision Bus and Panther Travel's feeds as no has linked the database to the West Midlands not really sure how it works Tony or BN or one of the Several Drivers on here might know how it works. Maybe they are just taking Payment and letting Cards on without printing Tickets and scanning passes, I assume the same few Drivers If not the same two drive it they will know the regulars and know who usually does a return trip. Smaller Operators tend to know there regulars, Thandi knew there's, Sandwell Travel did to for example. I used to get the Sandwell Travel 333X before NX ran the 37 to visit a relative in Willenhall every week and the Driver knew my ticket and stop without me even asking for it. I just paid the fare. So Carolean assumingly have something like that. I got told once Thandi had Ticket machine issues and a mate of mine who caught the 37 every day used to pay on his morning bus never got a ticket but the drivers coming back knew he usually had a Return and let him on, he did initially pay on the way back before the driver told him no need we know you usually get a return. If it was NX or someone without Ticket Machines then yeah it would harder but, smaller firms are different they usual have the same Drivers who get to know regulars.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 19, 2024, 11:01:03 AMYou do realise NX charged and had no trouble at all, Arriva and Igo at ran one point ran it with no Trouble Charging for fares, Igo I don't think had Assault Screens, Arriva some buses did some didn't, and even NX on the 29 who have Assault Screens still get ASB, Assault Screens or lack of don't do much to prevent people refusing to pay fares. If anything it just means people either spit at it or bang it with there fists. There is a video on YouTube I think on the 8A/8C of a man threatening an NX Driver demanding him to Come on Outside pounding his Fists on the Assault Screen, Yes had it not been there he probably could have assaulted the Driver. But he could have anyway by spitting. If the Spit goes through the little Holes and it is intentional that is Assault.
Presumably Carolean have some form of Payment otherwise they are Operating at a loss right now and TFWM wouldn't be happy. Presumably they might be using the old Ticket Machines that came with the bus that aren't Tracking as they are still linked to Vision Bus and Panther Travel's feeds as no has linked the database to the West Midlands not really sure how it works Tony or BN or one of the Several Drivers on here might know how it works. Maybe they are just taking Payment and letting Cards on without printing Tickets and scanning passes, I assume the same few Drivers If not the same two drive it they will know the regulars and know who usually does a return trip. Smaller Operators tend to know there regulars, Thandi knew there's, Sandwell Travel did to for example. I used to get the Sandwell Travel 333X before NX ran the 37 to visit a relative in Willenhall every week and the Driver knew my ticket and stop without me even asking for it. I just paid the fare. So Carolean assumingly have something like that. I got told once Thandi had Ticket machine issues and a mate of mine who caught the 37 every day used to pay on his morning bus never got a ticket but the drivers coming back knew he usually had a Return and let him on, he did initially pay on the way back before the driver told him no need we know you usually get a return. If it was NX or someone without Ticket Machines then yeah it would harder but, smaller firms are different they usual have the same Drivers who get to know regulars.
Nx did have a few issues on the route, and yeah they charged but what I'm trying to say is when Carolean start charging there is going to be conflict between drivers and passengers because drivers will say scan your pass for me then passengers will go well you haven't charged me for X amount of time why are you charging us now.
Arriva also had trouble on the route because Chaserider which was a ex arriva company, some of the drivers who stayed on at Cannock onto Chaserider said it's a bad idea going in for the 19. One driver said it was really bad they went around and because he said to one passenger where is your ticket they got off and bus not long after had windows smashed.
Assault screens yes don't prevent people from not paying but it protects the driver from being assaulted. The amount of times I've seen people punch them assult screens imagine if that wasn't there, they would be hitting the driver. All Chaserider said if we run the 19 we want screens or we aren't driving it which I don't blame them.
I don't think Carolean are running at a loss as such at the moment, because they are getting the money from TFWM for running the tender service. However I would assume TFWM being as they don't have ticket machines are keeping a close eye on the service in Walsall and maybe have people along the route checking possibly to see if it's running as they don't have tracking data for them.
No they won't be using old ticket machines, the ticket machines that was in the bus belong to vision bus when the bus was sold it would not be included with a ticket machine that's something the company have to deal with themselves. They are currently running with no ticket machines other people have been saying it too.
It's fine them letting them on without a ticket but what about when they want a daysaver which is now a Nbus. I don't think they are charging at the moment.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 19, 2024, 11:14:53 AMNx did have a few issues on the route, and yeah they charged but what I'm trying to say is when Carolean start charging there is going to be conflict between drivers and passengers because drivers will say scan your pass for me then passengers will go well you haven't charged me for X amount of time why are you charging us now.
Arriva also had trouble on the route because Chaserider which was a ex arriva company, some of the drivers who stayed on at Cannock onto Chaserider said it's a bad idea going in for the 19. One driver said it was really bad they went around and because he said to one passenger where is your ticket they got off and bus not long after had windows smashed.
Assault screens yes don't prevent people from not paying but it protects the driver from being assaulted. The amount of times I've seen people punch them assult screens imagine if that wasn't there, they would be hitting the driver. All Chaserider said if we run the 19 we want screens or we aren't driving it which I don't blame them.
I don't think Carolean are running at a loss as such at the moment, because they are getting the money from TFWM for running the tender service. However I would assume TFWM being as they don't have ticket machines are keeping a close eye on the service in Walsall and maybe have people along the route checking possibly to see if it's running as they don't have tracking data for them.
No they won't be using old ticket machines, the ticket machines that was in the bus belong to vision bus when the bus was sold it would not be included with a ticket machine that's something the company have to deal with themselves. They are currently running with no ticket machines other people have been saying it too.
It's fine them letting them on without a ticket but what about when they want a daysaver which is now a Nbus. I don't think they are charging at the moment.
As Westy Said they have to be Charging otherwise it would be in the news or local pages that it was free. They might take payment as they know regulars. Those who want a daysaver will get on there next bus. For example once I boarded a 79 in Darlaston The Driver saw I had cash in my hand so I was unable to get a dayticket so I got it on my next bus. If a 19 passenger gets the 19 to Walsall to get the NX 529 they will just get the Dayticket on there.
AS09 PAN is out on the 19 this morning.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 21, 2024, 08:28:59 AMAS09 PAN is out on the 19 this morning.
Looks Very Smart does it have an assault Screen or not and are the Seats those Rock hard Urban 90's that feel like your sitting on the road you can feel every single bump.
According to Tfwm site, Service 19 timetable extended hours of operation from tomorrow!
Quote from: Westy on February 24, 2024, 11:08:37 PMAccording to Tfwm site, Service 19 timetable extended hours of operation from tomorrow!
I know the plan was that the withdrawn journeys would be reinstalled if the antisocial behaviour could be dealt with. Let's see how things go.
The driver let someone who wanted to purchase an nbus ticket on for free, so essentially the 19 is a free service atm if you ask for an nbus, I do question how long they've got to get ticket machines before TfWM start questioning it.
Quote from: B7RLE on February 27, 2024, 02:40:06 PMThe driver let someone who wanted to purchase an nbus ticket on for free, so essentially the 19 is a free service atm if you ask for an nbus, I do question how long they've got to get ticket machines before TfWM start questioning it.
Possibly a backlog from Ticketer (if that's their supplier). Having said that, I know Rotala were selling some Used machines a while back.
Quote from: B7RLE on February 27, 2024, 02:40:06 PMThe driver let someone who wanted to purchase an nbus ticket on for free, so essentially the 19 is a free service atm if you ask for an nbus, I do question how long they've got to get ticket machines before TfWM start questioning it.
Not easy to get immediately but do not concern yourself, they will get them. Just good to see they are getting on with the job in a professional way
Quote from: B7RLE on February 27, 2024, 02:40:06 PMThe driver let someone who wanted to purchase an nbus ticket on for free, so essentially the 19 is a free service atm if you ask for an nbus, I do question how long they've got to get ticket machines before TfWM start questioning it.
They probably got there Nbus on the next service they caught
Quote from: igogeneral on February 27, 2024, 03:33:53 PMNot easy to get immediately but do not concern yourself, they will get them. Just good to see they are getting on with the job in a professional way
Absolutely
@igogeneral - and THAT is what TfWM will focus on. In the grand scheme of things, the loss of fares or a quasi-free service is the least of their worries.
Quote from: Wumpty on February 28, 2024, 06:47:36 AMAbsolutely @igogeneral - and THAT is what TfWM will focus on. In the grand scheme of things, the loss of fares or a quasi-free service is the least of their worries.
I don't wish to knit pick but at least give them there fair dos Chaserider were at least organised when they took over operating the 19; they had ticket machines and printed timetables; admittedly they didn't necessarily have the route programmed into the blinds straight away but that's about the only thing they didn't do
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 28, 2024, 01:09:31 PMI don't wish to knit pick but at least give them there fair dos Chaserider were at least organised when they took over operating the 19; they had ticket machines and printed timetables; admittedly they didn't necessarily have the route programmed into the blinds straight away but that's about the only thing they didn't do
I don't wish to nit pick either, but Carolean have picked up a contract at short notice to maintain a service that Chaserider handed back. They got buses in at short notice to maintain a service that Chaserider handed back. They've provided TfWM with an emergency option were there were very few other operators prepared to run the service, that Chaserider handed back.
We know the reasons why Chaserider handed it back, but give Carolean their dues - they've stepped in and got the job done to maintain a subsidised, socially-necessary service. TfWM set the timetables so there's plenty of options to view the timetable online, paper copies available, and even available in braille on request (I don't think operators are obliged to provide timetables).
Passengers want the bus to turn up, drop them off and do it as safely as possible........after all that BS.
Let's get behind them and give credit for what they ARE doing.
Quote from: Wumpty on February 28, 2024, 01:28:20 PMI don't wish to nit pick either, but Carolean have picked up a contract at short notice to maintain a service that Chaserider handed back. They got buses in at short notice to maintain a service that Chaserider handed back. They've provided TfWM with an emergency option were there were very few other operators prepared to run the service, that Chaserider handed back.
We know the reasons why Chaserider handed it back, but give Carolean their dues - they've stepped in and got the job done to maintain a subsidised, socially-necessary service. TfWM set the timetables so there's plenty of options to view the timetable online, paper copies available, and even available in braille on request (I don't think operators are obliged to provide timetables).
Passengers want the bus to turn up, drop them off and do it as safely as possible........after all that BS.
Let's get behind them and give credit for what they ARE doing.
And Chaserider already had Ticket Machines as they had been operating for longer than Carolean, Carolean have sourced 3 buses 2 for use, 1 spare, Persumabably 2 or 3 Drivers if not including the Owner if he can drive, got some Graphics and Legals on there Bus, Provided a timetable, route trained the Drivers if they didn't already know the route, have a uniform sorted and a depot/secure land for storage. Chaserider in comparison had all of those things And had longer to prepare. Ticket machines will presumably be on a long waiting list due to the requirement of all buses needed to track. I highly doubt the Service is free as some people have said it is probably if they are getting the bus to Walsall and Back say, the Drivers know the Passenger takes Payment for a return, then say later the next Driver knows this person has paid in the morning and let's them on. As for Nbus tickets Passengers can get them on the next bus they get. Sometimes you can't get a ticket on an NX bus either Ticket Machine has frozen, the Cash Vault is jammed, the Ticket Printer is stuck or ran out of tickets, but you can get on the next service. It isn't a big issue, TFWM will presumably be aware Carolean don't have tickets and know they are probably sorting it
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 28, 2024, 03:15:17 PMthe Drivers know the Passenger takes Payment for a return, then say later the next Driver knows this person has paid in the morning and let's them on.
I very much doubt that. If they aren't issuing tickets, how would the relief driver be expected to know who has or hasn't paid in the morning.
Without the machines surely they can't take contactless payments as well.
And its also not imposssible someone wanted to travel on 3 separate 19s in one day where a daysaver presumably becomes cheaper than the £2 cash single.
Quote from: 2206 on February 28, 2024, 03:36:41 PMI very much doubt that. If they aren't issuing tickets, how would the relief driver be expected to know who has or hasn't paid in the morning.
Without the machines surely they can't take contactless payments as well.
And its also not imposssible someone wanted to travel on 3 separate 19s in one day where a daysaver presumably becomes cheaper than the £2 cash single.
At smaller firms Drivers tend to communicate with each other and all the 19 passengers are probably regulars. Like I said it can't be free it would be publisied but As the E&S and Brum Mail haven't reported it Carolean taking it over I assume they won't bother reporting on a free bus service
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 28, 2024, 07:50:56 PMAt smaller firms Drivers tend to communicate with each other and all the 19 passengers are probably regulars. Like I said it can't be free it would be publisied but As the E&S and Brum Mail haven't reported it Carolean taking it over I assume they won't bother reporting on a free bus service
No, it's not a 'free bus service'.
I would imagine that most of the passengers who use this service are pass-holders anyway (concessionary or otherwise).
Even in the absence of a Ticketer, they can still accept cash for single journeys surely.
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2024, 08:08:45 PMNo, it's not a 'free bus service'.
I would imagine that most of the passengers who use this service are pass-holders anyway (concessionary or otherwise).
Even in the absence of a Ticketer, they can still accept cash for single journeys surely.
Had anybody been on there service or are people just guessing sat at home watching vegweb
Quote from: karl724223 on February 28, 2024, 08:40:25 PMHad anybody been on there service or are people just guessing sat at home watching vegweb
@karl724223 – yes I travelled on it a couple of weeks ago, BUT I genuinely didn't notice whether or not the driver was taking fares or not but off the top of my head I don't believe he was
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2024, 08:08:45 PMNo, it's not a 'free bus service'.
I would imagine that most of the passengers who use this service are pass-holders anyway (concessionary or otherwise).
Even in the absence of a Ticketer, they can still accept cash for single journeys surely.
I wasn't paying too much attention so I could be wrong but I don't remember seeing a single person pay on Tuesday when I rode the 19
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2024, 08:08:45 PMNo, it's not a 'free bus service'.
I would imagine that most of the passengers who use this service are pass-holders anyway (concessionary or otherwise).
Even in the absence of a Ticketer, they can still accept cash for single journeys surely.
That's what I am saying I don't think if it is free if it was it would be reported in the local press although given Carolean wasn't mentioned to be taking over the 19 I doubt they would bother now reporting it
Quote from: karl724223 on February 28, 2024, 08:40:25 PMHad anybody been on there service or are people just guessing sat at home watching vegweb
ive been on the service before, ive also been in walsall when the 19 was loading up and the driver was just waving everyone on board. not even checking if they had a ticket or inteded on buying a ticket. this is why i think there is going to be friction when they start charging.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 29, 2024, 04:27:44 PMive been on the service before, ive also been in walsall when the 19 was loading up and the driver was just waving everyone on board. not even checking if they had a ticket or inteded on buying a ticket. this is why i think there is going to be friction when they start charging.
Could put a positive spin on it. Special introductory offer, to attract passengers.
Quote from: MW on February 29, 2024, 05:14:27 PMCould put a positive spin on it. Special introductory offer, to attract passengers.
yeah maybe, but some of the kids on the route are horrible, get asked to pay they will smash the windows on the buses or worse just punch the driver as not all their buses have assult screens fitted.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 29, 2024, 05:26:01 PMyeah maybe, but some of the kids on the route are horrible, get asked to pay they will smash the windows on the buses or worse just punch the driver as not all their buses have assult screens fitted.
From reports elsewhere, looks like they're concentrating on the 29 at the moment!
Quote from: Westy on February 29, 2024, 08:58:18 PMFrom reports elsewhere, looks like they're concentrating on the 29 at the moment!
Maybe Carolean have reached out to the ringleader... 👀
No, I'm just speculating.
Have any of their vehicles been attacked?
Quote from: MW on February 29, 2024, 09:51:49 PMMaybe Carolean have reached out to the ringleader... 👀
No, I'm just speculating.
Have any of their vehicles been attacked?
Unless anyone else knows, no reports.
At the moment, I'm putting it down to the nights gradually getting longer.
(Unless you're down Slacky Lane, then you have the cover of the canal bridge!)
Quote from: MW on February 29, 2024, 09:51:49 PMMaybe Carolean have reached out to the ringleader... 👀
No, I'm just speculating.
Have any of their vehicles been attacked?
Doesn't seem to be the case, before the 29 diverted the other night Blakenall had quietened down with it's ASB. Maybe when Carolean increase the Service back to nights although they have reinstated services after the original curfew of about 3PM it might happen when say the service runs to 6/7PM as that's usually when the 29 gets attacked
Noticed on Saturday that Carolean buses finally have Ticketer ETMs. However there was a piece of paper over the display above the scanner which if I had to guess probably said that the machines weren't working yet.
Carolean have a new depot in bescot now, I seen some of their buses and coaches parked there the other day. However buses still have legals as Darlaston. They have a new enviro 200 from vision bus on Friday I seen it still with vision bus logos on and their legals on. Reg is (YY64 GWC) this had paper blinds and paper legals with their new bescot legals.
QuoteCarolean have a new depot in bescot now, I seen some of their buses and coaches parked there the other day. However buses still have legals as Darlaston. They have a new enviro 200 from vision bus on Friday I seen it still with vision bus logos on and their legals on. Reg is (YY64 GWC) this had paper blinds and paper legals with their new bescot legals.
An ex igo bus back in the West Midlands!
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 01, 2024, 07:53:09 PMCarolean have a new depot in bescot now, I seen some of their buses and coaches parked there the other day. However buses still have legals as Darlaston. They have a new enviro 200 from vision bus on Friday I seen it still with vision bus logos on and their legals on. Reg is (YY64 GWC) this had paper blinds and paper legals with their new bescot legals.
Just seen it in Walsall. Still has Vision Bus logos on, but blinds are working.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 02, 2024, 08:09:08 AMJust seen it in Walsall. Still has Vision Bus logos on, but blinds are working.
Yeah blinds are working now and the legals on the paper are printed now on Friday they was hand written.
Carolean are now tracking on Bustimes.
Appears they have a new bus ex Vision bus YY64GWA saw it Saturday on the 19 it is Fleet Number 6. Could be Ex Igo to maybe
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 06, 2024, 12:50:21 PMAppears they have a new bus ex Vision bus YY64GWA saw it Saturday on the 19 it is Fleet Number 6. Could be Ex Igo to maybe
Yes it was once operated by igo
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 06, 2024, 12:50:21 PMAppears they have a new bus ex Vision bus YY64GWA saw it Saturday on the 19 it is Fleet Number 6. Could be Ex Igo to maybe
I don't know where fleet number 6 has come from when they don't even have a fleet number 5 yet 😂.
Also does anyone know what's happened to fleet number 1 it hasent been out for a while well ever since they got ticket machines.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on May 06, 2024, 04:27:34 PMYes it was once operated by igo
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 06, 2024, 12:50:21 PMAppears they have a new bus ex Vision bus YY64GWA saw it Saturday on the 19 it is Fleet Number 6. Could be Ex Igo to maybe
Pic on flicr on it
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 15, 2024, 10:28:01 AMI don't know where fleet number 6 has come from when they don't even have a fleet number 5 yet 😂.
Also does anyone know what's happened to fleet number 1 it hasent been out for a while well ever since they got ticket machines.
Unless there was a mistake that should be the 5th veichle unless they have a fifth but not a ticket machine for it yet. It is usually this one and AS09PAN on the 19 the other two E200's haven't been out in a while on the 19 presumably there spare I think bus 1 didn't have an assault screen which is needed on the 19
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 15, 2024, 12:36:22 PMUnless there was a mistake that should be the 5th veichle unless they have a fifth but not a ticket machine for it yet. It is usually this one and AS09PAN on the 19 the other two E200's haven't been out in a while on the 19 presumably there spare I think bus 1 didn't have an assault screen which is needed on the 19
Yeah I would definitely recommend an assault screen on the 19 route, I heard a rumor it had its window smashed and hasent been seen since, I wonder if they will get it fitted with a assault screen so if any buses have their windows smashed then that can do out with a assault screen.
Seeing they've now moved to their new depot by Bescot, surely the reference to 'Willenhall' in the thread title should be removed or amended?
(Pretty sure I've seen vehicles with the new address on the legals!)
The other day I noticed a Carolean Turismo plain white with there logo on in the Fastline yard on Wednesbury Road there was another smaller Merc Coach a Tureno I think maybe in Plain White parked next to the fence not sure if that belongs to them to or Fastline couldn't get reg as was on the bus at the time.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on June 01, 2024, 10:42:02 AMThe other day I noticed a Carolean Turismo plain white with there logo on in the Fastline yard on Wednesbury Road there was another smaller Merc Coach a Tureno I think maybe in Plain White parked next to the fence not sure if that belongs to them to or Fastline couldn't get reg as was on the bus at the time.
Could they do repairs for them
Quote from: Solo1 on June 02, 2024, 09:35:59 AMCould they do repairs for them
Yeah maybe Fastline do have a Garage there so could be helping them out
YX11 AEE just been passed their depot, and it's had every single window smashed on the drivers side including the drivers window, I heard it had its windows smashed on the 19 anyone know if this is on this route or if it's been done in the garage?
Quote from: Wba_lad on July 03, 2024, 08:23:08 PMYX11 AEE just been passed their depot, and it's had every single window smashed on the drivers side including the drivers window, I heard it had its windows smashed on the 19 anyone know if this is on this route or if it's been done in the garage?
Is there yard secure where about in Bescot is it. If it is secure then the 19.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on July 03, 2024, 08:59:37 PMIs there yard secure where about in Bescot is it. If it is secure then the 19.
The place where their yard is used to be a place where caravans used to go a lot then the council blocked it up with concrete barriers, then obviously Carolean have came along and fenced it all off to be honest their yard is pretty secure it's for thick barbed wire around the side, but this vehicle has been off site for some time now, but it hasent been seen since the day they got their ticket machines and I heard this bus got targeted that day so I'm not sure if it's true, however it could of been vandalised while being so where else but every single window on the drivers side has been smashed a few have big holes in too.
For those of us who remember details of the tender before it got yanked, wasnt the vehicles supposed to have extra things like more cameras, special film on the glass etc?
They have done this havent they?
Quote from: Westy on July 04, 2024, 06:53:04 AMFor those of us who remember details of the tender before it got yanked, wasnt the vehicles supposed to have extra things like more cameras, special film on the glass etc?
They have done this havent they?
Special Film isn't that what NX have on some of there Veichles some of it looks like it is coming off. And I assume they do have Cameras. We don't know what happened but it hasn't put Carolean off they are still operating the 19.
Looks like yesterday 07/07/2024 one of their buses broke down on the 19 and they never replaced it so all day it was a 1 bus running as I'm sure bus 4 AS09 PAN broke down and nothing came out to replace it, will they receive a fine or contract warning for that.
Quote from: Wba_lad on July 07, 2024, 10:03:56 AMLooks like yesterday 07/07/2024 one of their buses broke down on the 19 and they never replaced it so all day it was a 1 bus running as I'm sure bus 4 AS09 PAN broke down and nothing came out to replace it, will they receive a fine or contract warning for that.
Id the bus did break down and wasn't replaced (therefore,services didn't operate), they won't be payed by TFWM as they didn't operate the service and will receive a small fine
ASO9PAN was back out on the 19 today
wonder why they never replaced the bus as they have a spare bus
Quote from: Solo1 on July 07, 2024, 10:08:19 PMwonder why they never replaced the bus as they have a spare bus
Maybe no spare driver?
Quote from: Lukeee on July 08, 2024, 03:00:35 PMMaybe no spare driver?
Take the driver off the bus that broke down?
Quote from: CKD on July 08, 2024, 08:44:14 PMTake the driver off the bus that broke down?
It's not that simple, if the bus broke down and couldn't be moved there could of been no one in the yard to bring a replacement bus out. If the bus developed an issue but was able to drive back to the yard it could be a case that the bus wasn't actually defective and the driver needed to finish early and no spare was available.
As you may have seen in the Nx diversions thread, there is an incident in the Well Lane area of Blakenall/Harden.
Service 19's last few journeys today were on diversion, and are currently scheduled to continue on diversion tomorrow.
Looking at Bustimes, shows you scale of diversion on the affected journeys not seen for a few months!
Quote from: Solo1 on July 07, 2024, 10:08:19 PMwonder why they never replaced the bus as they have a spare bus
I know AEE is VOR due to all windows on the drivers side being smashed, meaning they should of still had 2 spare if they never had any issues also, however as been stated for a small company like that it's probably not as easy as get a new bus out
Quote from: Wba_lad on July 08, 2024, 10:30:50 PMI know AEE is VOR due to all windows on the drivers side being smashed, meaning they should of still had 2 spare if they never had any issues also, however as been stated for a small company like that it's probably not as easy as get a new bus out
When was it smashed ?
Quote from: CKD on July 09, 2024, 01:01:25 PMWhen was it smashed ?
I'm not too sure I'm trying to find out too, someone said it happened on the 19 route the first day they got ticket machines but I'm not sure.
Only one bus tracking on the 19.
Is that correct?
Quote from: Westy on July 10, 2024, 12:04:46 PMOnly one bus tracking on the 19.
Is that correct?
Yes, It's correct only one bus is tracking.
Carolean bus 6 has tracking issues though I believe, as been happening for some time but sometimes they have only been operating 1 vehicle in it, yesterday it was stuck due to NXWM 4867 breaking down and blocking it even though it shouldn't of been that way anyway.
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Carolean bus 1 YX11 AEE, it did have all windows smashed on the driver side, passed their depot just and all windows on the drivers side and now fixed apart from the drivers window, and it has a smashed window on the door side towards the rear of the bus not sure if it was always like this.
YX11AEE at Hartshorne Volvo, Pensnett.
Quote from: Wumpty on July 31, 2024, 11:18:26 AMYX11AEE at Hartshorne Volvo, Pensnett.
Possibly for MOT.
Carolean have Plaxton Volvo coach FJ07ADU , noted yesterday in Sedgley.
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Ex NXWM Wright Eclipse Urban BX56 XBS is on loan to Carolean Coaches today. It's currently on the 19 tracking as YY64 GWC.
That looks smart for an 18 year old and good to see they haven't just chucked paper destinations in the screen as it's only on loan
Quote from: Mayfield on October 12, 2024, 01:14:16 PMThat looks smart for an 18 year old and good to see they haven't just chucked paper destinations in the screen as it's only on loan
They were sorted by the owners of the vehicle last night before it was taken over to Carolean.
Who actually owns it
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 12, 2024, 12:32:15 PMEx NXWM Wright Eclipse Urban BX56 XBS is on loan to Carolean Coaches today. It's currently on the 19 tracking as YY64 GWC.
I hope they've notified TfWM about this, as the contract specifies Euro6 vehicles! As far as I am aware, these Urbans were never upgraded so are still Euro3.
Carolean Coaches have hired this vehicle in, this was a last minute emergency hire. He is having some issues with his fleet which would mean either dropping service or supplying a vehicle that can still make service and keep the passengers moving.
To quote Carolean, "I do not want to let down my customers, we have built a good relationship with them where they can trust our service, I do not want to let my passengers down, can your vehicle reliable provide a service to keep our passengers happy and moving"
I think TfWM will appreciate that 50% of service has not been dropped and that a short term solution has been put in place. The owner has spent a lot of his early hours this morning ensuring he can operate 100% service. We worked with him last night to be able to fit Ticketing equipment as well as ensure Destinations are also programmed.
We have supplied vehicles to operators before last minute and I'm sure the operator will be happy with this one too!
Quote from: Midland_Buses on October 12, 2024, 06:42:55 PMCarolean Coaches have hired this vehicle in, this was a last minute emergency hire. He is having some issues with his fleet which would mean either dropping service or supplying a vehicle that can still make service and keep the passengers moving.
To quote Carolean, "I do not want to let down my customers, we have built a good relationship with them where they can trust our service, I do not want to let my passengers down, can your vehicle reliable provide a service to keep our passengers happy and moving"
I think TfWM will appreciate that 50% of service has not been dropped and that a short term solution has been put in place. The owner has spent a lot of his early hours this morning ensuring he can operate 100% service. We worked with him last night to be able to fit Ticketing equipment as well as ensure Destinations are also programmed.
We have supplied vehicles to operators before last minute and I'm sure the operator will be happy with this one too!
If TfWM have been notified and they're okay with this, then I'm sure there won't be any problems.
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2024, 05:55:12 PMI hope they've notified TfWM about this, as the contract specifies Euro6 vehicles! As far as I am aware, these Urbans were never upgraded so are still Euro3.
I think that's the last of the worries, a bus being used is better than nothing at all. I don't think any passengers are bothered as long as the service is provided and turned up.
Quote from: Jack on October 12, 2024, 07:13:49 PMI think that's the last of the worries, a bus being used is better than nothing at all. I don't think any passengers are bothered as long as the service is provided and turned up.
As I said in my subsequent reply, if TfWM have been notified of the situation, then there shouldn't be any issue, as they would also agree that 'any vehicle' is better than none.
But a contract is legally binding - the contract stipulates use of Euro6 vehicles, therefore Carolean are in breach of this contract, if TfWM haven't been made aware and applied an exemption for this case.
I'm not trying to get Carolean into trouble, or suggesting that they are doing anything wrong, and I hope they've done the right thing and got clearance from TfWM as a 'short-term solution'.
TfWM might probably desire that if Carolean are having issues with their fleet, they may prefer them to buy or lease more suitable newer vehicles.
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2024, 05:55:12 PMI hope they've notified TfWM about this, as the contract specifies Euro6 vehicles! As far as I am aware, these Urbans were never upgraded so are still Euro3.
Every bus in the TfWM area should be Euro 6, but that hasn't stopped NXWM withdrawing Euro 6 buses and keeping Euro 3 on the road.
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2024, 07:08:45 PMIf TfWM have been notified and they're okay with this, then I'm sure there won't be any problems.
I think you should be a bit more supportive to a very small operator. Clearly they've put the effort in to keep the service running whilst they are experiencing issues with their usually complaint fleet.
As already mentioned, I'm sure TfWM would rather the bus running than nothing at all!
From a taxpayer point of view, you're absolutely right - but, this is the kind of attitude that has forced SMEs out of this sector.
I'm sure they'll be back to full compliance swiftly.
Quote from: Marge559 on October 12, 2024, 07:38:49 PMEvery bus in the TfWM area should be Euro 6, but that hasn't stopped NXWM withdrawing Euro 6 buses and keeping Euro 3 on the road.
NXWM haven't been withdrawing Euro6 vehicles, apart from those badly damaged in fires or RTAs.
Both NX and Diamond had to seek permission from TfWM to continue to use non-compliant vehicles until they were able to be replaced.
Quote from: MW on October 12, 2024, 07:39:34 PMI think you should be a bit more supportive to a very small operator. Clearly they've put the effort in to keep the service running whilst they are experiencing issues with their usually complaint fleet.
As already mentioned, I'm sure TfWM would rather the bus running than nothing at all!
From a taxpayer point of view, you're absolutely right - but, this is the kind of attitude that has forced SMEs out of this sector.
I'm sure they'll be back to full compliance swiftly.
I am being supportive, I'm not sure if people keep misinterpreting what I'm posting. Once again, if Carolean have notified TfWM of the situation, and TfWM have accepted this short-term solution, then there is no issue.
What I wouldn't want to see is Carolean using non-compliant vehicle(s) without TfWM's consent, which could jeopardise this and any other future contracts that they wish to bid on.
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2024, 07:42:04 PMNXWM haven't been withdrawing Euro6 vehicles, apart from those badly damaged in fires or RTAs.
No, just the Euro 6 B7RLEs in the training fleet, the Omnilinks at Pensnett, the Omnicities, 4800-4829, and the Euro 6 Tridents that have been sold off through Birmingham Busworks! For comparison, how many Euro 6 buses have Carolean withdrawn?
Quote from: Marge559 on October 12, 2024, 08:09:03 PMNo, just the Euro 6 B7RLEs in the training fleet, the Omnilinks at Pensnett, the Omnicities, 4800-4829, and the Euro 6 Tridents that have been sold off through Birmingham Busworks! For comparison, how many Euro 6 buses have Carolean withdrawn?
4800-4829 were returned on expiry of their lease.
The OmniCities and Tridents were 'end-of-life'.
How many buses do NX have compared to Carolean?
Bet that vehicle wasn't expected to operate the 19 ever again?
(I guess it would've done in TWM/NX days at some point?)
A lot of fuss about a loan to make service by one of the smallest operators in the West Midlands. Whatever next, there will be a special report in Birmingham Live!
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2024, 08:15:28 PM4800-4829 (tel:4800-4829) were returned on expiry of their lease.
The OmniCities and Tridents were 'end-of-life'.
How many buses do NX have compared to Carolean?
4493, 4598, 4607 etc were Euro 6 and have been withdrawn. So yes they've withdrew Euro 6 vehicles that haven't been RTA'd or fire damaged like you have said.
The Omnicities weren't end of life either, hence why they are being sold on! As we're quite a few of the Euro 6 vehicles that have been withdrawn the last few months.
NX keeping Euro 3 vehicles but withdrawing Euro 6 that are going to new operators begs belief. I thought all Euro 3 vehicles should've gone by September. Yet it's an issue for a small company to use a Euro 3 when they are short.
Mileage is running and passengers are being picked up, that's the main thing and the priority. Loads of people aren't bothered what's Euro rating a vehicle is!
Chaserider's had similar issues in the past, havent they, so the situation isnt new.
Quote from: Jack on October 12, 2024, 11:14:09 PM4493, 4598, 4607 etc were Euro 6 and have been withdrawn. So yes they've withdrew Euro 6 vehicles that haven't been RTA'd or fire damaged like you have said.
The Omnicities weren't end of life either, hence why they are being sold on! As we're quite a few of the Euro 6 vehicles that have been withdrawn the last few months.
NX keeping Euro 3 vehicles but withdrawing Euro 6 that are going to new operators begs belief. I thought all Euro 3 vehicles should've gone by September. Yet it's an issue for a small company to use a Euro 3 when they are short.
Mileage is running and passengers are being picked up, that's the main thing and the priority. Loads of people aren't bothered what's Euro rating a vehicle is!
All were End of life with NX or had been displaced by newer buses wither infleet Transfers or new buses arriving at there Garage, 4598 has been replaced by Euro 6 Newer E400's and MMC's, 4493 I'm not sure but probably newer Euro 6 or Zero Emissions Electric Buses, 4607 again replaced by Euro 6 Newer Buses. The Omnicities is NX replacing them with new EV's and the Omnicities are non Standard so cannot/pointless transferring them.
NX has used these veichles to there limits there use for NX is over, they have been sold on as other Operators across the Country seek newer Euro 6 buses for contracts, NX have a strong record of reliability so they see ex NX they buy, NX is refreshing it's Fleet, it isn't an attack on Carolean more hoping they have informed TFWM as we would hate to see a smaller Operator punished for a mistake, this smaller Operator providing an important service and thus far keeping out of trouble. NX will eventually be Euro 6 by the end of the year If not Mid Next Year, Twenty year old buses aren't going to viable to run for ever so NX is replacing them
Quote from: Jack on October 12, 2024, 11:14:09 PM4493, 4598, 4607 etc were Euro 6 and have been withdrawn. So yes they've withdrew Euro 6 vehicles that haven't been RTA'd or fire damaged like you have said.
The Omnicities weren't end of life either, hence why they are being sold on! As we're quite a few of the Euro 6 vehicles that have been withdrawn the last few months.
NX keeping Euro 3 vehicles but withdrawing Euro 6 that are going to new operators begs belief. I thought all Euro 3 vehicles should've gone by September. Yet it's an issue for a small company to use a Euro 3 when they are short.
Mileage is running and passengers are being picked up, that's the main thing and the priority. Loads of people aren't bothered what's Euro rating a vehicle is!
You need to see it from a business point of view for NX and also they aren't breaking any rules doing that as they have permission to still use Euro 3.
As has been stated, every withdrawn Euro 6 has been replaced by a brand new vehicle (if viewed in the grander scheme of things). Likewise, it makes business sense to sell off older Euro 6 buses (where there is a ready market of buyers) rather than withdraw similar age Euro 3 buses that won't likely find a buyer and only have scrap value. May as well keep the Euro 3s until they are completely knackered as they will sadly only be making one final trip to the cutters after their current NX service.
Love how people are going on the defensive for NX (with incorrect facts being posted) whilst completely missing the point that was originally being made regarding Carolean... :rolleyes: If you want some irony, Non euro 6 4567 is currently on the 50, let's hope TfWM and BCC have given permission!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 12, 2024, 12:32:15 PMEx NXWM Wright Eclipse Urban BX56 XBS is on loan to Carolean Coaches today. It's currently on the 19 tracking as YY64 GWC.
Its BX56XCR according to the photo
Quote from: busfan2847 on October 13, 2024, 04:18:43 PMIts BX56XCR according to the photo
Correct. Not sure why I got the registration mixed up with the other one
@Midland_Buses owns. 😂😂😂
Quote from: Marge559 on October 13, 2024, 04:06:30 PMLove how people are going on the defensive for NX (with incorrect facts being posted) whilst completely missing the point that was originally being made regarding Carolean... :rolleyes: If you want some irony, Non euro 6 4567 is currently on the 50, let's hope TfWM and BCC have given permission!
See no ones making an issue about that either!
Quote from: Jack on October 13, 2024, 05:54:57 PMSee no ones making an issue about that either!
No one is making an issue out of this either Stu basically said I hope Carolean have informed TFWM otherwise they are going to get in Trouble as the Contract asks for Euro 6 Buses. No one is attacking Carolean just merely hoping that he has informed TFWM that he will not be using a Euro 6 bus on some journeys. NX sometimes use Non Euro 6 buses on a route it happens better than No Bus, same here everyone is hoping he has informed TFWM as this bus is better than No Bus turning up.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on October 14, 2024, 08:39:39 PMNo one is making an issue out of this either Stu basically said I hope Carolean have informed TFWM otherwise they are going to get in Trouble as the Contract asks for Euro 6 Buses. No one is attacking Carolean just merely hoping that he has informed TFWM that he will not be using a Euro 6 bus on some journeys. NX sometimes use Non Euro 6 buses on a route it happens better than No Bus, same here everyone is hoping he has informed TFWM as this bus is better than No Bus turning up.
From the conversation I had with someone, it sounds like TfWM gave the go ahead to use the Euro 3 Volvo B7RLE.
Saw it in Bloxwich around 430pm today.
Quote from: Westy on October 15, 2024, 06:53:28 PMSaw it in Bloxwich around 430pm today.
And tonight too!
Just seen these have picked up a few new routes
Quote from: Lukeee on November 19, 2024, 03:41:45 PMJust seen these have picked up a few new routes
Which routes?
I expect them to acquire more Buses as they have 5 I think 2 for the 19 and 1 spare leaving 2 for new routed and 1 needed spare or maybe more needed as service or Spare
Quote from: B7RLE on November 19, 2024, 03:54:08 PMWhich routes?
3 - Merry Hill - West Brom (evenings)
23 - Wednesbury - Willenhall
41 West Brom - Wednesbury
224 Bilston - Sedgley
19 is retained
Quote3 - Merry Hill - West Brom (evenings)
23 - Wednesbury - Willenhall
41 West Brom - Wednesbury
224 Bilston - Sedgley
19 is retained
The 3? 224? What the? Blimey! *sees stars*
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 19, 2024, 09:59:34 PMThe 3? 224? What the? Blimey! *sees stars*
That was my reaction as well 😂
They need a fair few new buses then, bit of mileage from Bescot to Bilston, West Brom and Merry Hill
Quote from: Lukeee on November 19, 2024, 09:26:48 PM3 - Merry Hill - West Brom (evenings)
23 - Wednesbury - Willenhall
41 West Brom - Wednesbury
224 Bilston - Sedgley
19 is retained
How do you know this?
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on November 20, 2024, 11:10:10 AMThey need a fair few new buses then, bit of mileage from Bescot to Bilston, West Brom and Merry Hill
Presumably e200mmcs?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 20, 2024, 04:42:44 PMPresumably e200mmcs?
No necessarily, any E200 with a euro 6 exhaust will suit
Although there are a fair few Used E200MMCs coming onto the market recently.
Quote from: MW on November 20, 2024, 06:41:09 PMAlthough there are a fair few Used E200MMCs coming onto the market recently.
I was at ADL Anston yesterday, There's about 20 brand new ones there waiting operators.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 20, 2024, 04:42:44 PMPresumably e200mmcs?
Who says they have to be E200s?
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2024, 04:58:54 PMNo necessarily, any E200 with a euro 6 exhaust will suit
Slight correction there Tony, any Euro6 bus will suit! :grin:
It seems to me that the MCV Evora is becoming quite popular with smaller operators.
Quote from: Stu on November 20, 2024, 07:20:20 PMWho says they have to be E200s?
Slight correction there Tony, any Euro6 bus will suit! :grin:
It seems to me that the MCV Evora is becoming quite popular with smaller operators.
Knowing Shaz Ali and how he realised he messed up at A2Z with his random purchases I suspect he will find some decent E200s from somewhere
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2024, 07:42:11 PMKnowing Shaz Ali and how he realised he messed up at A2Z with his random purchases I suspect he will find some decent E200s from somewhere
The MCV Volvo's would seem a solid option but probably would be E200's to match his Fleet plus none of the routes mentioned scream Heavyweight Bus
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on November 20, 2024, 09:58:49 PMThe MCV Volvo's would seem a solid option but probably would be E200's to match his Fleet plus none of the routes mentioned scream Heavyweight Bus
MCV do offer a 10.8m eVoRa, but still more of a 'heavyweight' bus compared to an E200. I agree that keeping a standardised fleet would have it's benefits, but you also run the risk of the whole fleet being grounded, should an issue arise.
Quote from: DJ on November 21, 2024, 07:39:51 AMMCV do offer a 10.8m eVoRa, but still more of a 'heavyweight' bus compared to an E200. I agree that keeping a standardised fleet would have it's benefits, but you also run the risk of the whole fleet being grounded, should an issue arise.
I imagine cost would be another issue, unless he plans on buying/leasing new vehicles as second hand evoras (partially the 10.8m length) aren't exactly common
Quote from: DJ on November 21, 2024, 07:39:51 AMMCV do offer a 10.8m eVoRa, but still more of a 'heavyweight' bus compared to an E200. I agree that keeping a standardised fleet would have it's benefits, but you also run the risk of the whole fleet being grounded, should an issue arise.
Yeah plenty of E200's avaliable and as long as he doesn't do what Travel Express did and buy sheds then he should be Ok. It doesn't appear he brought Sheds with the last E200's they have 6 Buses at the minute not sure how many he needs I believe they have 6 two ex Vision, 1 ex Panther plus 2 ex Igo.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on November 21, 2024, 10:14:28 AMYeah plenty of E200's avaliable and as long as he doesn't do what Travel Express did and buy sheds then he should be Ok. It doesn't appear he brought Sheds with the last E200's they have 6 Buses at the minute not sure how many he needs I believe they have 6 two ex Vision, 1 ex Panther plus 2 ex Igo.
Is there not other cheaper buses that would be considered?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 21, 2024, 10:18:53 AMIs there not other cheaper buses that would be considered?
As long as there Euro 6 and meet the minimum seating requirements set out in the contract then any bus could be used
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 21, 2024, 10:18:53 AMIs there not other cheaper buses that would be considered?
Cheaper than an E200?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 21, 2024, 01:04:27 PMNot sure
There's a reason why most 'low cost' operators run E200s, both good operators and bad ones.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 21, 2024, 10:18:53 AMIs there not other cheaper buses that would be considered?
As Tony said no, but If I was to have guessed probably not, Volvo didn't produce a Lightweight Midibus, neither did Scania, that leaves the StreetLite which there doesn't seem many up for sale and again they are probably more expensive for parts for a small number being harder to source, and the Optare Solo but again probably more expensive and harder to source parts for a small number, E200's therefore are probably not only cheap to buy, they are cheap to get parts for as there common sort of like the Ford Fiesta of the Bus World. Plus even if the E200 is more expensive than a Solo it would be easier for Carolean to use them as Drivers would be familiar with them and therefore when he hires more than can rotate around all the routes.
If they're going to expand they need to consider an actual livery and gain an identity
Quote from: Capitalpotter on November 21, 2024, 04:57:55 PMIf they're going to expand they need to consider an actual livery and gain an identity
I agree, I mean I'm surprised TFWM haven't actually put their foot down yet and said they want a comapny livery, as I heard when Chaserider ran the 19 and still with their walsall services 36 and 36A apparently TFWM kick up a fuss when they used 5002 which had D&G on it, and I'm sure they didn't like the fact that bus 2 the white enviro 200MMC was not in company livery, I'm sure it will all be sorted but if they are planning on taking all these tender routes on and expanding the business they need to have a comapny livery at least, and their depot isn't the biggest of places either.
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 22, 2024, 02:08:03 AMI agree, I mean I'm surprised TFWM haven't actually put their foot down yet and said they want a comapny livery, as I heard when Chaserider ran the 19 and still with their walsall services 36 and 36A apparently TFWM kick up a fuss when they used 5002 which had D&G on it, and I'm sure they didn't like the fact that bus 2 the white enviro 200MMC was not in company livery, I'm sure it will all be sorted but if they are planning on taking all these tender routes on and expanding the business they need to have a comapny livery at least, and their depot isn't the biggest of places either.
Travel Express' whole fleet is the same is Chaserider 2... white with name printed on
QuoteI agree, I mean I'm surprised TFWM haven't actually put their foot down yet and said they want a comapny livery, as I heard when Chaserider ran the 19 and still with their walsall services 36 and 36A apparently TFWM kick up a fuss when they used 5002 which had D&G on it, and I'm sure they didn't like the fact that bus 2 the white enviro 200MMC was not in company livery, I'm sure it will all be sorted but if they are planning on taking all these tender routes on and expanding the business they need to have a comapny livery at least, and their depot isn't the biggest of places either.
Unless Carolean are adopting Vision's for their own fleet livery? After all, the fleet does have fleet names on for Carolean...
Quote from: CKD on November 22, 2024, 07:01:51 AMTravel Express' whole fleet is the same is Chaserider 2... white with name printed on
Travel express I think white is their livery however a quick jet wash wouldn't hurt them 🤣
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 22, 2024, 02:08:03 AMI agree, I mean I'm surprised TFWM haven't actually put their foot down yet and said they want a comapny livery, as I heard when Chaserider ran the 19 and still with their walsall services 36 and 36A apparently TFWM kick up a fuss when they used 5002 which had D&G on it, and I'm sure they didn't like the fact that bus 2 the white enviro 200MMC was not in company livery, I'm sure it will all be sorted but if they are planning on taking all these tender routes on and expanding the business they need to have a comapny livery at least, and their depot isn't the biggest of places either.
There is no requirement from TfWM to have a 'company livery'. From the TfWM Enhanced Partnership scheme document:
QuoteVehicle livery
8.3. Vehicles must be in an appropriate finished livery, which clearly identifies either
the bus operator or brand route.
8.4. No vehicles are to be used which remain in a livery belonging to a previous
operator, under any circumstances, or bear any previous operator's branding
or other related information.
Kevs and Landflight have plain white buses, a 'finished livery', with their logos applied, clearly identifying them as the operator.
Chaserider would have got into trouble with TfWM by using buses that had D&G's logo on them, as per condition 8.4 above.
Quote from: Stu on November 22, 2024, 11:22:36 AMThere is no requirement from TfWM to have a 'company livery'. From the TfWM Enhanced Partnership scheme document:
Kevs and Landflight have plain white buses, a 'finished livery', with their logos applied, clearly identifying them as the operator.
Chaserider would have got into trouble with TfWM by using buses that had D&G's logo on them, as per condition 8.4 above.
Would also mean Carolean can't use Vision Bus Livery
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on November 22, 2024, 02:10:41 PMWould also mean Carolean can't use Vision Bus Livery
No it doesn't, as long as all the fleet is in that livery with fleetnames.
I want actually meaning that Carolean would be violating TfWM rules. I was just saying as they're growing it would be beneficial to adopt an identity
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2024, 02:24:48 PMNo it doesn't, as long as all the fleet is in that livery with fleetnames.
So wouldn't AS09PAN need a repaint because of its different livery?
Quote from: TGZac on November 22, 2024, 11:04:18 PMSo wouldn't AS09PAN need a repaint because of its different livery?
I would assume so maybe even Blue, unless as long as it doesn't have Panther titles on
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 19, 2024, 09:59:34 PMThe 3? 224? What the? Blimey! *sees stars*
I wonder what buses will be on the 41 and will they navigate the narrow streets
Quote from: TGZac on November 22, 2024, 11:04:18 PMSo wouldn't AS09PAN need a repaint because of its different livery?
Has it got Company Logos on? I believe so. It's fine.
When they say that vehicles must be in Operators livery, they mean Logos and any branding - otherwise all of the NX variations would be non compliant too!
Quote from: wembley86 on November 23, 2024, 07:56:52 AMI wonder what buses will be on the 41 and will they navigate the narrow streets
Diamond used to use Solo's now use Mellors assuming they get small e200's like the 7×× at NX they might get around
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on November 23, 2024, 02:02:25 PMDiamond used to use Solo's now use Mellors assuming they get small e200's like the 7×× at NX they might get around
The little enviro 200s will get around a peice of cake, a inspector at diamond has got a enviro 300 around there once and one of the volvo plaxtom centres tight but doable.
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 24, 2024, 08:35:33 PMThe little enviro 200s will get around a peice of cake, an inspector at diamond has got a enviro 300 around there once and one of the volvo plaxtom centres tight but doable.
Of course SWB would, when NX had the 41 (414) it was allocated SWB E200's prior to that the Darts and Solo's when WB had them. LWB singles managed to get round them like the 8** E200's, the B6's which was a similiar length to those also managed.
The 41 doesn't need a full length single!
Quote from: Jack on November 24, 2024, 09:27:53 PMOf course SWB would, when NX had the 41 (414) it was allocated SWB E200's prior to that the Darts and Solo's when WB had them. LWB singles managed to get round them like the 8** E200's, the B6's which was a similiar length to those also managed.
The 41 doesn't need a full length single!
I never said the 41 needs a full length single bus I was just saying that a short wheel base enviro 200 would get around easy because someone said they will have to get mini buses for it but comment has gone now, I was just putting it into prospective that if full length single deckers can fit around then a short wheel base will fly around the route.
One of the 64 plate E200s on Jennens Road heading into the city centre displaying rail replacement at 01:01 this morning.
Due to Carolean being unable to obtain any narrow buses needed for part of the 41A service, the 41A will not run with Diamond service 64 being diverted to serve those narrow streets with additional earlier and later journeys. Service 41 will be increased to a 30 min frequency.
Found slim solo & Also mellor for sale https://www.chartwellbussales.co.uk/bus_details?bus=523 only took a few minutes to find it
Quote from: Solo1 on December 15, 2024, 10:00:44 PMFound slim solo & Also mellor for sale https://www.chartwellbussales.co.uk/bus_details?bus=523 only took a few minutes to find it
Yes, euro 4, look again
Euro 6 one ex diamond bus https://www.chartwellbussales.co.uk/bus_details?bus=527
Quote from: Solo1 on December 15, 2024, 10:32:45 PMEuro 6 one ex diamond bus https://www.chartwellbussales.co.uk/bus_details?bus=527
Depends how much carolean have bidded to run the contract for and how much these buses would cost to lease/purchase there might be no profit in running this route, in which case why bother.
Quote from: Lukeee on December 15, 2024, 10:41:48 PMDepends how much carolean have bidded to run the contract for and how much these buses would cost to lease/purchase there might be no profit in running this route, in which case why bother.
Youd of thought they'd check availability of vehicles and costs before entering a bid
Quote from: Capitalpotter on December 17, 2024, 09:35:13 AMYoud of thought they'd check availability of vehicles and costs before entering a bid
I would imagine they did, but obviously I assume the winner is announced quite a bit later and maybe there has been a surge in demand for Euro 6 E200's probably what Carolean were after so now there isn't as many as there were when they bid, or maybe they recalculated costs and considering they have another couple of routes they have won they can't make it work as it costs more than they calculated initially.
A batch of new E200's MMC are being delivered for the new contracts
Quote from: metrocity on January 02, 2025, 03:01:28 PMA batch of new E200's MMC are being delivered for the new contracts
Fair play to them for costing the rental or purchase cost of those in
You've got to admit, if they were to do with A2Z previously, they seem to have learned their lesson from what happened there.
Quote from: Westy on January 02, 2025, 04:49:36 PMYou've got to admit, if they were to do with A2Z previously, they seem to have learned their lesson from what happened there.
Yes, but in the days of A2Z you could buy any bus that was for sale and operate it, there is now no option but to operate Euro 6 and when operating a tender you can factor the rental cost into your bid. Most of A2Z's routes were commercial.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on January 02, 2025, 07:30:44 PMYes, but in the days of A2Z you could buy any bus that was for sale and operate it, there is now no option but to operate Euro 6 and when operating a tender you can factor the rental cost into your bid. Most of A2Z's routes were commercial.
Yep. A number of those buses saw further use with Midland (formerly Choice Travel)
Big congratulations to Carolean. Very good to see another growing independent!
I wonder where these new buses are then as they aren't at bescott depot
It says are being delivered not have been delivered
Quote from: Mayfield on January 03, 2025, 02:53:05 PMIt says are being delivered not have been delivered
They take over the routes tomorrow they still have to do safety checks and prep them for service yet.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 04, 2025, 03:10:43 AMThey take over the routes tomorrow they still have to do safety checks and prep them for service yet.
They may be using a third party maintenance contractor for that, in which case that'll be where the buses are
Quote from: Tony on January 04, 2025, 06:11:27 AMThey may be using a third party maintenance contractor for that, in which case that'll be where the buses are
Yeah I'd assume they are as bescott depot has very minimal facilities apart from a place to park the buses.
Quote from: Tony on January 04, 2025, 06:11:27 AMThey may be using a third party maintenance contractor for that, in which case that'll be where the buses are
Are these some of the stock held at Hartshorne Walsall? There were six there during Christmas break.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 04, 2025, 06:38:27 PMAre these some of the stock held at Hartshorne Walsall? There were six there during Christmas break.
I guess we'll find out in the morning when they start running the 3 service, while other contracts start from Monday morning.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 04, 2025, 06:38:27 PMAre these some of the stock held at Hartshorne Walsall? There were six there during Christmas break.
Yes there are 8 in total
Didn't get the reg but I'm on the 3. E200MMC with base spec interior and stop start.
Noted on the 3 today were YX74OFY & YX74OGA
What wheelbase are they?
Seen one of these buses on the 3 tonight. The destination screen on the front was unusual..It said
Merry Hill- West Bromwich. I've never seen this before
Quote from: Jay71 on January 05, 2025, 11:07:59 PMSeen one of these buses on the 3 tonight. The destination screen on the front was unusual..It said
Merry Hill- West Bromwich. I've never seen this before
I noticed that too. I personally think its a stupid way to display the destination, it makes the text quite 'narrow' and some people may struggle to read the destination as a result, especially considering there's 2 places on there and the bus is only going to 1. Could go as far as saying its inaccessibility...
From what I can gather the MMC Reg's are YX74OFZ
OGA/B/C/E
One is on the 19
One is on the 224
One is the 23A
One is the 41
There normal buses are still there with 1 or 2 on the 19
They might not have D but they have A/B/C and E
Is there nowhere else Carolean can lay over in Willenhall other than the Wilkes Street stop layby, as coupled with their vehicle & a tree by the previous Lock Musuem stop, makes it difficult to see the bus coming, in fact I had to step out into the road to hail the 326.
Is there not enough slack in the timetable to terminate or wait time by the old police station in Willenhall, where the 'alternative' 310 goes from instead?
@Simon Dunn - You might want to ask your 57 & 326 drivers for their opinion as well.
Quote from: Westy on January 06, 2025, 03:59:36 PMIs there nowhere else Carolean can lay over in Willenhall other than the Wilkes Street stop layby, as coupled with their vehicle & a tree by the previous Lock Musuem stop, makes it difficult to see the bus coming, in fact I had to step out into the road to hail the 326.
Is there not enough slack in the timetable to terminate or wait time by the old police station in Willenhall, where the 'alternative' 310 goes from instead?
@Simon Dunn - You might want to ask your 57 & 326 drivers for their opinion as well.
310 doesn't that stop near the NX37 although most of the NX drivers terminate at the Ring O Bells Pub
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 06, 2025, 08:12:30 PM310 doesn't that stop near the NX37 although most of the NX drivers terminate at the Ring O Bells Pub
The 37 officially picks up from what was the Lion Hotel now Dominos Pizza, while the 310 picks up from outside the old Police Station.
As you said, the 37 does set down either where you said or the police station.
Apart from the 'new' 23, nothing else to my knowledge terminates on New Road, apart from maybe any 529 short journeys?
Quote from: B7RLE on January 05, 2025, 11:52:36 PMI noticed that too. I personally think its a stupid way to display the destination, it makes the text quite 'narrow' and some people may struggle to read the destination as a result, especially considering there's 2 places on there and the bus is only going to 1. Could go as far as saying its inaccessibility...
I'm inclined to agree. Would such a display be against the disability regulations?
Quote from: Westy on January 06, 2025, 09:55:52 PMThe 37 officially picks up from what was the Lion Hotel now Dominos Pizza, while the 310 picks up from outside the old Police Station.
As you said, the 37 does set down either where you said or the police station.
Apart from the 'new' 23, nothing else to my knowledge terminates on New Road, apart from maybe any 529 short journeys?
They have changed the 326 terminus it used to terminate near to the 37, alternatively the 23 could terminate at the Mall where the 41 terminates
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 07, 2025, 01:35:11 PMThey have changed the 326 terminus it used to terminate near to the 37, alternatively the 23 could terminate at the Mall where the 41 terminates
You sure about the 326?
I catch that back to Bloxwich most days & its always picked up at the Lion Hotel as long as I remember!
When it ran Bloxwich to Willenhall only, it would've unloaded by the police station, but since it got extended to Bilston, it carries on to the New Road stop onwards.
Quote from: Westy on January 07, 2025, 01:48:45 PMYou sure about the 326?
I catch that back to Bloxwich most days & its always picked up at the Lion Hotel as long as I remember!
When it ran Bloxwich to Willenhall only, it would've unloaded by the police station, but since it got extended to Bilston, it carries on to the New Road stop onwards.
Bustimes and Google Maps both seem to think it avoids the Lion and serves the 529 stop at Market Place.
The 310 serves the same stop as the 37 and 326 at the Lion which I knew I thought they had changed it, in that case the 23/23A could terminate at the 41 Stop at the Mall not far from the Lion Hotel
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 07, 2025, 01:51:51 PMBustimes and Google Maps both seem to think it avoids the Lion and serves the 529 stop at Market Place.
The 310 serves the same stop as the 37 and 326 at the Lion which I knew I thought they had changed it, in that case the 23/23A could terminate at the 41 Stop at the Mall not far from the Lion Hotel
The 310 has never stopped by the Lion Hotel.
It stops by the police station, so it can turn left instead going round the one way system.
23/23a from the Mall would be unworkable in the current schedule.
Quote from: Westy on January 07, 2025, 03:14:12 PMThe 310 has never stopped by the Lion Hotel.
It stops by the police station, so it can turn left instead going round the one way system.
23/23a from the Mall would be unworkable in the current schedule.
Oh right it's the 326 that stops at the Lion with the 37, 23/23A could use By the Police Station/Ring O Bells
They need to employ some decent drivers. The clown who was on the 3 tonight has earned himself a nice little fine.
Why? Doing a U-turn at West Brom bus station
Quote from: Jay71 on January 07, 2025, 08:19:19 PMThey need to employ some decent drivers. The clown who was on the 3 tonight has earned himself a nice little fine.
Why? Doing a U-turn at West Brom bus station
How do you mean a U-turn? Cutting across where the buses park up or doing a 180 and coming out the bus station the wrong way?
Quote from: Lukeee on January 07, 2025, 09:06:36 PMHow do you mean a U-turn? Cutting across where the buses park up or doing a 180 and coming out the bus station the wrong way?
The bus was parked in the middle of the bus station. When he leaves the bus station he is supposed to turn left out of the bus station & go round by the police station. This clown decided to turn right & swing around by the Billiard Hall. This isn't allowed
Quote from: Jay71 on January 07, 2025, 09:44:58 PMThe bus was parked in the middle of the bus station. When he leaves the bus station he is supposed to turn left out of the bus station & go round by the police station. This clown decided to turn right & swing around by the Billiard Hall. This isn't allowed
Who's going to fine him for that?
It's not illegal, there isn't a no U-turn sign
TFWM staff have stated that drivers should not be doing this sort of thing. Who will fine him???:The same people who fine drivers for speeding at bus stations. Yes, drivers do get fined for speeding at bus stations. I know of two Diamond drivers who got fined for speeding at the old Dudley bus station. I'm sure that Simon Dunn will confirm this
Quote from: Jay71 on January 07, 2025, 10:02:03 PMTFWM staff have stated that drivers should not be doing this sort of thing. Who will fine him???:The same people who fine drivers for speeding at bus stations. Yes, drivers do get fined for speeding at bus stations. I know of two Diamond drivers who got fined for speeding at the old Dudley bus station. I'm sure that Simon Dunn will confirm this
Drivers do not get fined they get reported to there company that's all
Quote from: Jay71 on January 07, 2025, 10:02:03 PMTFWM staff have stated that drivers should not be doing this sort of thing. Who will fine him???:The same people who fine drivers for speeding at bus stations. Yes, drivers do get fined for speeding at bus stations. I know of two Diamond drivers who got fined for speeding at the old Dudley bus station. I'm sure that Simon Dunn will confirm this
Yes, inside the Bus Station, the U turn is performed on the highway, without a no U turn sign how does a driver know he shouldn't do it?
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2025, 06:08:48 AMYes, inside the Bus Station, the U turn is performed on the highway, without a no U turn sign how does a driver know he shouldn't do it?
Quote from: karl724223 on January 08, 2025, 05:04:17 AMDrivers do not get fined they get reported to there company that's all
Drivers do get fined for speeding. The operator gets the fine. Then It gets deducted from the driver's wages. The fine was either £60/60
Quote from: karl724223 on January 08, 2025, 05:04:17 AMDrivers do not get fined they get reported to there company that's all
Or publicly lambasted on this forum :wink:
Quote from: Jay71 on January 07, 2025, 09:44:58 PMQuote from: Jay71 on January 07, 2025, 09:44:58 PMThe bus was parked in the middle of the bus station. When he leaves the bus station he is supposed to turn left out of the bus station & go round by the police station. This clown decided to turn right & swing around by the Billiard Hall. This isn't allowed
Quote from: Jay71 on January 07, 2025, 09:44:58 PMThe bus was parked in the middle of the bus station. When he leaves the bus station he is supposed to turn left out of the bus station & go round by the police station. This clown decided to turn right & swing around by the Billiard Hall. This isn't allowed
The bus was parked in the middle of the bus station. When he leaves the bus station he is supposed to turn left out of the bus station & go round by the police station. This clown decided to turn right & swing around by the Billiard Hall. This isn't allowed
So nothing illegal then
Quote from: Jay71 on January 08, 2025, 07:28:11 AMDrivers do get fined for speeding. The operator gets the fine. Then It gets deducted from the driver's wages. The fine was either £60/60
Drivers DO NOT get fined for speeding
If you get caught speeding a report goes to the garage or company you are from and the management will discipline you
YOU DO NOT GET FINED
Isn't the rule of thumb, you can make u turns anywhere unless a sign prohibits it or the centre line is a solid line rather than a broken line?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 08, 2025, 01:07:38 PMIsn't the rule of thumb, you can make u turns anywhere unless a sign prohibits it or the centre line is a solid line rather than a broken line?
I don't drive but yes, the guidance is in a safe and suitable area but I see people do it all the time by my house maybe they got the wrong turn of the island they turn into the Road do there U turn then turn back onto the correct carriageway, by the Billard Hall I believe is a Junction and Traffic Lights so the Driver can turn around there I think
Quote from: karl724223 on January 08, 2025, 10:19:23 AMDrivers DO NOT get fined for speeding
If you get caught speeding a report goes to the garage or company you are from and the management will discipline you
YOU DO NOT GET FINED
HaHaHaHa
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2025, 09:54:07 PMWho's going to fine him for that?
It's not illegal, there isn't a no U-turn sign
You are incorrect. I've just been to WB bus station. No U turn signs are by the 74 stops. The TFWM staff pointed them out to be.
Also spoke to the Diamond inspector, he said that drivers shouldn't be doing this
Quote from: Jay71 on January 20, 2025, 10:43:13 AMYou are incorrect. I've just been to WB bus station. No U turn signs are by the 74 stops. The TFWM staff pointed them out to be.
Also spoke to the Diamond inspector, he said that drivers shouldn't be doing this
By the 74 stops so in the bus Station U-Turns aren't allowed but outside the bus station if it wasn't allowed I'm sure WMP would have a word
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 20, 2025, 06:46:50 PMBy the 74 stops so in the bus Station U-Turns aren't allowed but outside the bus station if it wasn't allowed I'm sure WMP would have a word
Yeah you are right both ends of the bus station there is no U turn signs displayed clearly. However this hasn't stopped anything as i have saw National Express do a U turn there before one driver did it with a Scania before came out the end where the 74 stops towards Dudley and then went onto the 3 stand, this was some time ago about that one but the most common one was when they had the west Brom 54 and 54A they used to do it a lot with the little E200s