"Electric bus driver training" x2 (times 2)
Does anybody know anything?
E003 was on driver training yesterday
Quote from: Ben on March 18, 2020, 12:27:38 PM
"Electric bus driver training" x2 (times 2)
Does anybody know anything?
Coventry garage are due to receive some new electric buses, probably later this year.
See main topic on this subject for more info:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5676.0
Some of Yardley Wood's already delivered vehicles are being used for training purposes.
Not sure where to put this, but seems a lot of fleet changes could happen this year with this announcement. Both Oxford and Coventry are set to be the UK's first all electric bus cities
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coventry-and-oxford-set-to-be-uks-first-all-electric-bus-cities
Posting in here, as it has more relevance to Coventry than NX.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-set-millions-become-one-19574476
Coventry City Council has been selected (along with Oxford) to receive funding to replace buses running in the city with all-electric buses, along with electrical grid and infrastructure upgrades.
I assume that NX, Stagecoach and Arriva were part of the application for this from Coventry.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 06, 2021, 04:43:03 PM
Posting in here, as it has more relevance to Coventry than NX.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-set-millions-become-one-19574476
Coventry City Council has been selected (along with Oxford) to receive funding to replace buses running in the city with all-electric buses, along with electrical grid and infrastructure upgrades.
I assume that NX, Stagecoach and Arriva were part of the application for this from Coventry.
I dont think its in the bag yet! To me it says Coventry
could get funding
if a good business case is made?
Do you see the other operators coming into Coventry using electric buses or will it just be NXC?
Quote from: Sandy Lane on January 06, 2021, 06:34:06 PM
I dont think its in the bag yet! To me it says Coventry could get funding if a good business case is made?
Do you see the other operators coming into Coventry using electric buses or will it just be NXC?
It'd depend on how it is ran.
If they decide to run everything under the "West Midlands Buses" banner, then it ultimately wouldn't matter who ran the services, so Stagecoach/Rotala could put their foot in. If not, then the other companies would have to consider the cost of opening up over in Coventry, which given the current setup would be a hard call to make.
Note: if they did run under the "West Midlands Buses" banner and make the buses crimson red, I would laugh quite a lot at it.
If (and it looks likely from the Instagram post that nxwestmidlands reposted) NXC do have their fleet upgraded, what would happen to the current vehicles?
They would be transferred to Birmingham and back country
Quote from: mesub on January 06, 2021, 07:28:41 PM
If (and it looks likely from the Instagram post that nxwestmidlands reposted) NXC do have their fleet upgraded, what would happen to the current vehicles?
In the case of NXC, I would guess that the non-electric vehicles would be absorbed into the NXWM fleet helping to see off some older vehicles.
This isn't going to happen overnight though, how many buses are we talking at NXC? These vehicles take time to be built.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 06, 2021, 07:22:40 PMNote: if they did run under the "West Midlands Buses" banner and make the buses crimson red, I would laugh quite a lot at it.
There's a page in the branding guidelines with a version of the livery for Coventry.
(https://i.imgur.com/lZ4reEz.png)
Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
In the case of NXC, I would guess that the non-electric vehicles would be absorbed into the NXWM fleet helping to see off some older vehicles.
This isn't going to happen overnight though, how many buses are we talking at NXC? These vehicles take time to be built.
If NXWM is to meet its zero emission pledge by 2030 then they need to replace an average of 150 buses per year so this would cover this years!
Quote from: ellspurs on January 06, 2021, 07:22:40 PM
It'd depend on how it is ran.
If they decide to run everything under the "West Midlands Buses" banner, then it ultimately wouldn't matter who ran the services, so Stagecoach/Rotala could put their foot in.
Would they run the services to Stratford and Warwick under the "West Midlands Buses" name though? As they're in Warwickshire.
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2021, 07:42:41 PM
If NXWM is to meet its zero emission pledge by 2030 then they need to replace an average of 150 buses per year so this would cover this years!
That is indeed true, I don't doubt that.
My point was about how long it would realistically take to replace the entire NXC fleet with all-electric vehicles. Could it happen within the space of one year?
Will certainly keep the bus-builders busy and in work for a while!
Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2021, 08:43:16 PM
That is indeed true, I don't doubt that.
My point was about how long it would realistically take to replace the entire NXC fleet with all-electric vehicles. Could it happen within the space of one year?
Will certainly keep the bus-builders busy and in work for a while!
Coventry currently have 34 B7RLE currently according to the main site, wander what will happen to them?
Would they replace older B7RLE/Omnilinks elsewhere for withdrawal?
Or single decker coversions of other routes in Birmingham/Black Country?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 06, 2021, 08:51:37 PM
Will Coventry get all this years new buses moving the diesel fleet out? How many buses does NXC have?
I doubt it will be all of them as there's supposed to be new hydrogen buses for Birmingham.
@SL 16 YPN
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2021, 07:42:41 PM
If NXWM is to meet its zero emission pledge by 2030 then they need to replace an average of 150 buses per year so this would cover this years!
Will Coventry get all this years new buses moving the diesel fleet out? How many buses does NXC have?
Quote from: DJ on January 06, 2021, 07:41:43 PM
There's a page in the branding guidelines with a version of the livery for Coventry.
(https://i.imgur.com/lZ4reEz.png)
Are these images West Midlands Network produced or are these someone's personal ideas?
Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2021, 08:43:16 PM
That is indeed true, I don't doubt that.
My point was about how long it would realistically take to replace the entire NXC fleet with all-electric vehicles. Could it happen within the space of one year?
Will certainly keep the bus-builders busy and in work for a while!
150 is no problem, I cannot imagine London will be putting too much pressure on Alexander Dennis & Wrights next year how broke TfL are
Quote from: 2206 on January 06, 2021, 08:06:32 PM
Would they run the services to Stratford and Warwick under the "West Midlands Buses" name though? As they're in Warwickshire.
If Very Light Rail sees the light of day does it mean electric buses are actually for the rest of the network or is it Primelines twenty years on where money is thrown at an upgrade with bus priority, only to result in city where bus travel provided by competing operators delivers a poor quality travel experience. Ask the person who tried to board a Transport for West Midlands tendered service today with an inflexible phone based ticket product whether the prospect of the bus is electric or not wows them...
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 06, 2021, 08:51:37 PM
Will Coventry get all this years new buses moving the diesel fleet out? How many buses does NXC have?
Current NXC fleet:
10 E400EV (E020-29)
16 E200 (831-33/37-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
17 Trident (4370/99/4403/6-14; 4450-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
17 B7/Gemini (4660-75/78)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
20 E400MMC (6951-67; 7539-41)
___
178
Would the (potential) all electric fleet have the same single/double deck split.
Quote from: 2206 on January 06, 2021, 08:06:32 PM
Would they run the services to Stratford and Warwick under the "West Midlands Buses" name though? As they're in Warwickshire.
Probably a similar thing to the trains when they operate outside the West Midlands. Either run the services outright, or get whomever to have a "proudly serving the West Midlands" sticker somewhere on the body of the other vehicle.
Depends whether they stipulate that only electric buses can serve the city. Does pose a question for coach services, unless they are referred to differently.
Quote from: DJ on January 06, 2021, 07:41:43 PM
There's a page in the branding guidelines with a version of the livery for Coventry.
(https://i.imgur.com/lZ4reEz.png)
If that's from the West Midlands Buses branding guidelines then it does just scream "NX" all over.
If you read the DfT blurb it says that ALL bus companies operating routes in the area must sign up to the proposal.
Alexander Dennis joining in on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/447400675382549/posts/3427327007389886/
Great if Coventry could have all electric buses within a few years then the really hard task -
persuading motorists to give up using their cars for ALL journeys however small or regardless
of whether reliable public transport is an available alternative. Though it may go down like a lead balloon
with petrol heads I am a strong believer in sticks as well as carrots.
Quote from: bususer28 on January 06, 2021, 08:56:59 PM
Are these images West Midlands Network produced or are these someone's personal ideas?
TfWM produced, designed by Sam Jessup for them, as far as I know.
I cannot see the blue one being used as I suspect all new buses will be of the higher spec, and no diesels are going to be repainted now by any op I wouldn't think
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
I cannot see the blue one being used as I suspect all new buses will be of the higher spec, and no diesels are going to be repainted now by any op I wouldn't think
Which begs the question how redeployment of 150 odd diesels or hybrids would occur over a short time, let alone repainting 130 or so (I'm presuming many of the Tridents and ALX400 B7TL remain currently to increase the amount of double deckers for social distancing and the platinum S would be a simple redeployment).
Regarding the Coventry branded platinum bus, I'm surprised the red front is shown rather than sky blue, or is it any colour based on branding like the current ones.
Also, I like the NXWM electric bus silver trim - that seems to have gone as well? Have these actually been agreed by operators yet or is it a work in progress?
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
I cannot see the blue one being used as I suspect all new buses will be of the higher spec, and no diesels are going to be repainted now by any op I wouldn't think
Is the crimson livery going to continue whilst new deliveries in WMB livery/WMB platinum. Will diamond/banga/Travel Express and other smaller companies have to adhere to the WMB livery
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 09, 2021, 06:03:22 PM
Is the crimson livery going to continue whilst new deliveries in WMB livery/WMB platinum. Will diamond/banga/Travel Express and other smaller companies have to adhere to the WMB livery
I think 5409 answers you question, freshly painted in Crimson, as will 733, 862, 1808, 1809 be along with any others currently picked to go to Walsall.
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
I think 5409 answers you question, freshly painted in Crimson, as will 733, 862, 1808, 1809 be along with any others currently picked to go to Walsall.
Is it Andy Streets dream to have one livery for all like London?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 09, 2021, 06:03:22 PM
Will diamond/banga/Travel Express and other smaller companies have to adhere to the WMB livery
I'm pretty sure all operators will be repainting their fleets to fit the WMB livery. Diamond have already repainted 32307 & 32308, WCT have already repainted SJ70HVX to name a few. Not sure about 'special' services such as the Green Bus however.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 09, 2021, 07:48:07 PM
Is it Andy Streets dream to have one livery for all like London?
Looks like it is, very similar to London actually in regards to the red and grey colour scheme. https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/a-brand-for-the-west-midlands-tfwm-reveals-new-public-transport-identity/
Why does everyone always assume and think of London whenever they see a red bus. There were far more red buses in the Midlands than blue and cream!
Has the government set out how long cities have to replace their fleets because people are making it out like it's going to be a quick process?
Quote from: ayyHugo on January 09, 2021, 08:29:53 PM
I'm pretty sure all operators will be repainting their fleets to fit the WMB livery. Diamond have already repainted 32307 & 32308, WCT have already repainted SJ70HVX to name a few. Not sure about 'special' services such as the Green Bus however.Looks like it is, very similar to London actually in regards to the red and grey colour scheme. https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/a-brand-for-the-west-midlands-tfwm-reveals-new-public-transport-identity/
The only ones repainted at Diamond are for the WMB joint routes, 32307 and 32308 were for the 40 early last year, with NXWM being the same. WCT are the only operator thus far to repaint vehicles into the WMB livery for standard routes. I'm sure if other local operators wanted to use the livery, TfWM would allow them to, but I can't see the majority of operators doing so, and giving up their own brand, without it being forced on them by TfWM.
Quote from: bususer28 on January 10, 2021, 12:06:28 AM
Has the government set out how long cities have to replace their fleets because people are making it out like it's going to be a quick process?
Coventry is 'by2025'
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2021, 08:46:50 AM
Coventry is 'by2025'
Probably around 30-35 new buses each year, quite a lot then.
Now that the electrics have settled in do they last all day on one charge or do they need a topup ?
Quote from: Sandy Lane on January 29, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Now that the electrics have settled in do they last all day on one charge or do they need a topup ?
The electric buses don't run all day. The three buses that run to end of service are scheduled to be replaced by fossil fuelled buses in early evening by dead running to and from University Hospital.
I get seemingly daily texts from friend who lives at Wainbody usually in early afternoon saying something like "Fossil fuelled platinum just passed the house"
This thread would soon fill up if I posted them all here, I can if you want me to!
Thks.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on January 30, 2021, 10:05:27 AM
Thks.
Something that might interest you is the "this bus terminates here announcement" is rarely heard as it has long been the convention in Coventry to change the destination at the penultimate stop as there are few set down stops at terminals like London and it avoids confusion by having the destination already set or not in service if running off dead when the bus pulls up at what is the first stop on the next journey.
Quote from: JoNi on January 30, 2021, 07:22:37 AM
The electric buses don't run all day. The three buses that run to end of service are scheduled to be replaced by fossil fuelled buses in early evening by dead running to and from University Hospital.
I get seemingly daily texts from friend who lives at Wainbody usually in early afternoon saying something like "Fossil fuelled platinum just passed the house"
This thread would soon fill up if I posted them all here, I can if you want me to!
Same with YW on the 6 I'd imagine. Towards the end of service, you see more and more diesel E400MMC.
We have a similar story down here in Bristol, albeit with Gas buses. Since the 25% reduction in service nationally, First Bristol have not only cut down frequency, but are using less running boards resulting in buses out of the depot for longer periods (I.e 6AM till midnight). This means buses are out for longer, doing more mileage and every day around 8PM, buses are being changed over at relief points and passengers being transferred simply because of them running out of fuel!
The difference being that to fill a Gas bus takes what, a minute or two? Electric charging obviously taking much longer, hence the diesel replacements in Birmingham.
Quote from: JoNi on January 31, 2021, 12:15:31 AM
Something that might interest you is the "this bus terminates here announcement" is rarely heard as it has long been the convention in Coventry to change the destination at the penultimate stop as there are few set down stops at terminals like London and it avoids confusion by having the destination already set or not in service if running off dead when the bus pulls up at what is the first stop on the next journey.
Way back when, in the pre-covid era of 2001-2002, I used to catch the 20 in Bedworth on my way home from work. Given the time I finished work, I would always miss the 8pm bus departing from Mill Street, so would wait on Park Road and catch the 8.20pm bus to Bedworth, and ride it around the loop it used to do through Collycroft to save me waiting 10 minutes for the same bus to come back. Given this was a Primelines route, it had bus stop announcements. The terminus was listed as Johnson Road. The bus never did an announcement for Johnson Road. It would appear on the screen, but you never heard anything. As the route was a loop, I'd have thought there would've been people on board that weren't me during the day.
Similarly with the 20A in Longford. You'd get announcements for Oban Road, Woodshires Road and Wilsons Lane (the last two just randomly happening as those roads were hail and ride at the time), then the next announcement was for the Canal Boat, skipping out the stop at the top of Bedworth Road by the county border bridge. I guess they needed a point where it switched directions on the destinations?
Sorry for the random rambling, but your comment made me think of it.
A Coventry car park is planned to permanently close so the site can be turned into an electric bus depot.
Cox Street car park is proposed to close by the end of October so it can be turned into a charging facility for 45 electric buses as part of the city's 'all-electric' ambitions.
Coventry is to receive 297 electric buses as part of plans to have an all-electric fleet by 2025, becoming the UK's first all-electric bus city.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/cox-street-car-park-coventry-20944049
That newspaper article refers to 297 electric buses in Coventry. That seems a remarkably high number, even if you take into account all the buses working into the city from other locations like Nuneaton, Birmingham, Leamington, Stratford and Solihull?
Quote from: don on July 08, 2021, 08:15:52 PM
That newspaper article refers to 297 electric buses in Coventry. That seems a remarkably high number, even if you take into account all the buses working into the city from other locations like Nuneaton, Birmingham, Leamington, Stratford and Solihull?
Stagecoach, Johnsons and Diamond getting some as they run into the city?
Not sure if this has been brought up already, but surely this means that the NXWM X1 will also require electric vehicles?
Unless of course by 2025, with the introduction of Sprint, the X1 as we know it will have changed!
With regards to the smaller operators in Coventry, if tender specs change then it is equally possible that an operator such as Johnsons may simply choose to not bid again for those contracts when they come up for renewal, rather than go to the trouble of investing huge sums of money on electric vehicles just to run on subsidised services in one particular area.
Quote from: Stu on July 09, 2021, 06:36:42 PM
Not sure if this has been brought up already, but surely this means that the NXWM X1 will also require electric vehicles?
Unless of course by 2025, with the introduction of Sprint, the X1 as we know it will have changed!
With regards to the smaller operators in Coventry, if tender specs change then it is equally possible that an operator such as Johnsons may simply choose to not bid again for those contracts when they come up for renewal, rather than go to the trouble of investing huge sums of money on electric vehicles just to run on subsidised services in one particular area.
I would have thought the X1 might remain (I think the X2 was the combination with the 51 for the Sprint route?) - however you would have thought the length of the X1 might suggest it would be a candidate for hydrogen rather than electric vehicles.
Quote from: Stu on July 09, 2021, 06:36:42 PM
Not sure if this has been brought up already, but surely this means that the NXWM X1 will also require electric vehicles?
I'm sure no one will cry if a hydrogen bus is used. I think the main thing is that Coventry will be zero emission.
Quote from: Gareth on July 09, 2021, 09:15:58 PM
I'm sure no one will cry if a hydrogen bus is used. I think the main thing is that Coventry will be zero emission.
Hydrogen is still electric, so it'd be fine. The difference is that it's a fuel-cell EV, rather than a battery EV.
Andy Street on Facebook:
"Great to be in the new electric city this afternoon as we announced that the first 130 all-electric double-decker buses for Coventry will start arriving next year"
https://www.facebook.com/andy4wm/posts/487211639420528
Unclear if this is referring to one particular operator, as presumably NX Coventry will still have a need for single-deck vehicles for certain routes?
Either way, it seems no new buses this year then?
Quote from: Stu on January 18, 2022, 06:20:21 PM
Andy Street on Facebook:
"Great to be in the new electric city this afternoon as we announced that the first 130 all-electric double-decker buses for Coventry will start arriving next year"
https://www.facebook.com/andy4wm/posts/487211639420528
Unclear if this is referring to one particular operator, as presumably NX Coventry will still have a need for single-deck vehicles for certain routes?
Either way, it seems no new buses this year then?
National Express alone have 130 BYD/Alexander Dennis buses on order. I believe the 'next year' is more due to upgrading the electricity supply than getting the buses themselves
Quote from: Stu on January 18, 2022, 06:20:21 PM
Unclear if this is referring to one particular operator, as presumably NX Coventry will still have a need for single-deck vehicles for certain routes?
The allocation at 1.1.22 showed the allocation to be 177.
And I think it was also said only route that must have single decks is 20B and double decks already run on 14 for instance.
Potentially a stupid question, it wouldn't be the first, but would roof-mounted pantograph charging make electric buses more viable at garages with limited space or not?
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2022, 06:55:17 PM
National Express alone have 130 BYD/Alexander Dennis buses on order. I believe the 'next year' is more due to upgrading the electricity supply than getting the buses themselves
Tony,
Out of the 130 buses ordered, what is the split between DD and SD?
With regards to "I believe the 'next year' is more due to upgrading the electricity supply than getting the buses themselves", RATP at Fulwell in South West London regained 3 routes (65, 281 & 371) with electric buses in July 2021, the buses have all been delivered but the power infrastructure is still not complete, so the odd electric buses that are being used are being charged up by a mobile diesel generator. The other electric buses are still in store in January 2022 having been so for a couple of months:-).
Quote from: Ian Hardy on January 25, 2022, 03:20:45 PM
Tony,
Out of the 130 buses ordered, what is the split between DD and SD?
All double deck BYD/E400Citys
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2022, 04:26:48 PM
All double deck BYD/E400Citys
That's a shame, they leave a lot to be desired in my opinion, mostly regarding the build quality. It would've been nicer to see more StreetDecks ordered, even if it were the BEV variety.
Quote from: DJ on January 25, 2022, 04:56:39 PM
That's a shame, they leave a lot to be desired in my opinion, mostly regarding the build quality. It would've been nicer to see more StreetDecks ordered, even if it were the BEV variety.
I can only speak for the E400EV examples currently at Yardley Wood. They do frequently get used on my regular 2 and 3 services, and from a passenger's point of view, I am quite happy to say that they are fantastic buses to travel on and I have no complaints about their quality.
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2022, 07:13:21 PM
I can only speak for the E400EV examples currently at Yardley Wood. They do frequently get used on my regular 2 and 3 services, and from a passenger's point of view, I am quite happy to say that they are fantastic buses to travel on and I have no complaints about their quality.
I guess we'll agree to disagree then. Anything ADL built after around 2015 just seems cheap to me, with plenty of creaks and rattles from the interior plastics. Oh, and don't get me started on the rear seats downstairs on them.
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2022, 07:13:21 PM
I can only speak for the E400EV examples currently at Yardley Wood. They do frequently get used on my regular 2 and 3 services, and from a passenger's point of view, I am quite happy to say that they are fantastic buses to travel on and I have no complaints about their quality.
They are also, by a long way, the most reliable buses in the fleet as well
ADL are supplying 130 new Electric double decker buses for NXC:
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2022/february/byd-adl-partnership-to-build-130-electric-double-deckers-for-zenob%C4%93-and-national-express-coventry/
An interesting development with Zenobe owning the vehicles and providing infrastructure with NX paying them as a service provider. If I am reading it correctly.
Quote from: winston on February 17, 2022, 03:50:29 PM
ADL are supplying 130 new Electric double decker buses for NXC:
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2022/february/byd-adl-partnership-to-build-130-electric-double-deckers-for-zenob%C4%93-and-national-express-coventry/
Quote from: cardew on February 17, 2022, 06:07:12 PM
An interesting development with Zenobe owning the vehicles and providing infrastructure with NX paying them as a service provider. If I am reading it correctly.
That's how I'm reading it too.
I was told (or at least overheard!) before that the current batch of EVs cost just under half a million pounds each.
Now I imagine that due to buying in bulk, production costs might come down somewhat but even so, for a quantity of 130 vehicles at that rate, you'd be looking at a purchase price of £50-65 million.
That's an awful lot of money for anyone to be investing, and I don't think even National Express are that 'cash-rich'. ;D
I've never heard of this Zenobe outfit before, but I would imagine they are being backed by some massive hedge-fund firm. Of course the £50m from the DoT awarded to the WMCA is a nice 'helping-hand'.
Call me cynical, but we end up with a model which sees private companies operating public bus services, using vehicles owned by investment companies and not the operators themselves, paid for by taxpayers money, and then 'leased back' to the operators.
I mean in a way, its good for bus operators as they don't have to commit to those kinds of financial investments, but then what happens if as an operator you fail to meet your commitment to pay the 'service provider'?
Quote from: Stu on February 17, 2022, 07:32:55 PM
That's how I'm reading it too.
I was told (or at least overheard!) before that the current batch of EVs cost just under half a million pounds each.
Now I imagine that due to buying in bulk, production costs might come down somewhat but even so, for a quantity of 130 vehicles at that rate, you'd be looking at a purchase price of £50-65 million.
That's an awful lot of money for anyone to be investing, and I don't think even National Express are that 'cash-rich'. ;D
I've never heard of this Zenobe outfit before, but I would imagine they are being backed by some massive hedge-fund firm. Of course the £50m from the DoT awarded to the WMCA is a nice 'helping-hand'.
Call me cynical, but we end up with a model which sees private companies operating public bus services, using vehicles owned by investment companies and not the operators themselves, paid for by taxpayers money, and then 'leased back' to the operators.
I mean in a way, its good for bus operators as they don't have to commit to those kinds of financial investments, but then what happens if as an operator you fail to meet your commitment to pay the 'service provider'?
Zenobe are the company that has installed all the charging equipment in the garages for the electric buses to run.
This was described to me as a system similar to how railway rolling stock is leased and isn't that different to operators who have all their vehicles on lease from Dawsons or Mistral
The government £50m has to go towards abou 300 buses an all the charging kit, and the improved power supplied into all the garages, so us only a small part of the £60m these 130 buses cost
Given the "big-bang" nature and short timescales of the Coventry project I can see why this approach appeals. Whether it sets the pattern for other garages where perhaps a more phased approach can be taken (and possible conversion of NX owned vehicles?) remains to be seen. Zenobe certainly seem to have big money behind them and are ambitious.
Registration numbers of the next 42 electrics are now on the main site
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2022, 08:59:49 PMRegistration numbers of the next 42 electrics are now on the main site
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
I'm guessing the first ones will start arriving in the next few weeks ?
Quote from: Jack6101 on May 27, 2022, 11:10:50 PMI'm guessing the first ones will start arriving in the next few weeks ?
As they are 22 reg it looks hopeful.
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2022, 08:59:49 PMRegistration numbers of the next 42 electrics are now on the main site
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
There's 46 in that latest batch
QuoteThere's 46 in that latest batch
Yes, they are coming in 46, 42, 42 and my brain was in '42' mode
Are the 4 EVs at mullanys have the same interior spec as the normal electrics?
QuoteAre the 4 EVs at mullanys have the same interior spec as the normal electrics?
Slightly different spec
The new Enviro400 MMC's have now started to be transferred into Coventry Garage so we could start see quite a few of the Tridents & Gemini's be withdrawn soon and see the new EV's replace them. 4 transferred yesterday and more have been expected today of the 130 new buses we're getting. They are also in the new NX Cov livery and have a slightly different interior trim to the current EV's running on the 8 & 9's
QuoteThe new Enviro400 MMC's have now started to be transferred into Coventry Garage so we could start see quite a few of the Tridents & Gemini's be withdrawn soon and see the new EV's replace them. 4 transferred yesterday and more have been expected today of the 130 new buses we're getting. They are also in the new NX Cov livery and have a slightly different interior trim to the current EV's running on the 8 & 9's
They have not been transferred into Coventry garage and won't for some time as there's quite a bit of stuff to do on them first. Not sure where you got that information from.
Here is E034 NXWM E034 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E034.html)
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2022, 07:13:06 PMThey have not been transferred into Coventry garage and won't for some time as there's quite a bit of stuff to do on them first. Not sure where you got that information from.
Here is E034 NXWM E034 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E034.html)
Surprised to see these with regular mirrors, rather than the mirror cams on the other Electrics and Hydrogen buses. Is this a cost measure or to do with the tech not quite being there yet?
Quote from: cvbususer on June 24, 2022, 10:12:51 PMSurprised to see these with regular mirrors, rather than the mirror cams on the other Electrics and Hydrogen buses. Is this a cost measure or to do with the tech not quite being there yet?
It's only temp thing due to a shortage of the camara equipment for cam mirrors
Anyone know if the new electric buses will get new names or will the names on the older buses get transferred to them?
E038 is the first one to get a full set of vinyls
NXWM E038 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E038.html)
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2022, 06:54:51 PME038 is the first one to get a full set of vinyls
NXWM E038 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E038.html)
Is there a chance these might start entering service nexxt month? Or still too soon to say?
QuoteIs there a chance these might start entering service nexxt month? Or still too soon to say?
They need to enter service next month or we might not have enough buses for the next service uplift!
The overall look is really nice. I've never been a fan of Coventry blue, but it makes it nice and bright. However I feel this will be lost when adverts start appearing eventually.
One criticism is the dated crown. Spoils the overall look and that ship sailed a couple of months ago.
QuoteThe overall look is really nice. I've never been a fan of Coventry blue, but it makes it nice and bright. However I feel this will be lost when adverts start appearing eventually.
One criticism is the dated crown. Spoils the overall look and that ship sailed a couple of months ago.
Yeah i agree, the 6 brandeds now have missing branding parts etc etc. But they still stand out well
The new branding on the electrics looks very good initially, but then the vinyl vandals get to work. The offside advert covers most of the sky blue strip. Couple of inches at the top of the vehicle remain visible and not much more below the advert. As for those legs and boots what's that all about again? Thought that fetish had been dispensed with by NX. Sadly EO38 ends up losing its good looks!
Also has anyone noticed the mistake in the wording it says "national express coventry customers bring you zero carbon & clean air"
Should it not read "national express coventry brings customers zero carbon & clear air"
Quote from: RW on August 20, 2022, 06:59:06 PMThe new branding on the electrics looks very good initially, but then the vinyl vandals get to work. The offside advert covers most of the sky blue strip. Couple of inches at the top of the vehicle remain visible and not much more below the advert. As for those legs and boots what's that all about again? Thought that fetish had been dispensed with by NX. Sadly EO38 ends up losing its good looks!
Are they not supposed to be super heroes?
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on August 20, 2022, 07:33:18 PMAlso has anyone noticed the mistake in the wording it says "national express coventry customers bring you zero carbon & clean air"
Should it not read "national express coventry brings customers zero carbon & clear air"
That's not a mistake. The slogan is directed at people in the street, hailing the heroes on the bus (NX Customers), who are bringing the passers-by zero carbon and clean air.
Quote from: RW on August 20, 2022, 06:59:06 PMThe new branding on the electrics looks very good initially, but then the vinyl vandals get to work. The offside advert covers most of the sky blue strip. Couple of inches at the top of the vehicle remain visible and not much more below the advert. As for those legs and boots what's that all about again? Thought that fetish had been dispensed with by NX. Sadly EO38 ends up losing its good looks!
Surely the nonsense is putting the stripe there in the first place when it is clearly going to be covered by adverts.
Apologies if already asked but when will these start to enter service?
Quote from: BN on August 22, 2022, 08:40:30 AMApologies if already asked but when will these start to enter service?
I believe next month
QuoteApologies if already asked but when will these start to enter service?
As soon as drive cam etc is fitted
Just passed E050 on the M40 near Banbury heading northbound.
Just seen an unmarked E0** with 17 on the display not sure if it's on driver training 🤷
QuoteJust seen an unmarked E0** with 17 on the display not sure if it's on driver training 🤷
It was E035 going to BC to have all the stuff done on it to get it ready. E034 is now at Coventry in its place
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2022, 12:30:26 PMIt was E035 going to BC to have all the stuff done on it to get it ready. E034 is now at Coventry in its place
Will the electrics delivered with standard mirrors enter service like that or will they be held back until camera mirrors are fitted?
Quote from: cardew on August 24, 2022, 10:03:47 PMWill the electrics delivered with standard mirrors enter service like that or will they be held back until camera mirrors are fitted?
All of them will be getting drive cams fitted before entering service I believe.
Quote from: Danthebusman on August 25, 2022, 12:52:53 PMAll of them will be getting drive cams fitted before entering service I believe.
Drive cam is a separate thing, it's an event recorder that saves video evidence in certain circumstances.
E052 is now E1952R
Registrations now up to E121 on the main site
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Both E034 & E059 are expected to go to Coventry tomorrow and be the first ones into service next week
Quote from: dave rossett on September 16, 2022, 08:47:10 AMAnyone know the reason for the renumbering?
Something to do with the queen perhaps?
Quote from: dave rossett on September 16, 2022, 08:47:10 AMAnyone know the reason for the renumbering?
It's called Elizabeth
First two are now at Coventry ready for them to prep for service next week. E034 and E062
Quote from: dave rossett on September 16, 2022, 08:47:10 AMAnyone know the reason for the renumbering?
"E R" = Elizabeth Regina
1952 = the year she became queen
It was intended as a 'temporary' renumbering as part of the Platinum Jubilee Year commemoration.
Thanks all for the replies. It's obvious when you point it out. Apols for the stupid question.
Dave
E063 is out on the 11/12x today
E063 is out again this evening, doesn't look like E034 is coming out today
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2022, 05:43:15 PME063 is out again this evening, doesn't look like E034 is coming out today
Where are these at with decals? Are they all going to have the Platinum extra legroom text add-ons or any route branding applied?
Additionally, how is the rollout of mirror cams looking for those that were delivered with the standard mirrors? Thanks
QuoteWhere are these at with decals? Are they all going to have the Platinum extra legroom text add-ons or any route branding applied?
Additionally, how is the rollout of mirror cams looking for those that were delivered with the standard mirrors? Thanks
No platinum extra legroom or route branding unless the owners zenobe say so
QuoteNo platinum extra legroom or route branding unless the owners zenobe say so
It's already applied to E038, see photo on main site
QuoteIt's already applied to E038, see photo on main site
Looks good, will route branding come later or is that definitely not happening?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 19, 2022, 09:23:46 AMLooks good, will route branding come later or is that definitely not happening?
I don't believe there having any route branding
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 19, 2022, 09:23:46 AMLooks good, will route branding come later or is that definitely not happening?
"Looks good,....." Hmmm that depends on your view of the "...extra legroom..." vinyls. Almost makes the Coventry blue stripe surplus/irrelevant.
E034 out in service for the first time today
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2022, 11:35:27 AME034 out in service for the first time today
I bet it's on the 9
E042 & E047 have both come out this afternoon for the first time
All the following are now fully prepared and ready to go to Coventry
E038; E050; E052; E061; E062; E065; E066
Seen E053 on the 12X earlier
E058 is the only new EV to have data on bustimes which is strange given that I don't even think it has entered service yet
E057 NXWM E057 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E057.html)
E067 NXWM E067 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E067.html)
Both delivered today, completing the batch E034-E070
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere but one of these (E054 I think?) was parked up empty at the end of currently closed Broad St (Birmingham), Centenary Square, at the first bus stop from city, but on the wrong side of the carriageway facing to city.
Anyone know why?
QuoteApologies if this has been posted elsewhere but one of these (E054 I think?) was parked up empty at the end of currently closed Broad St (Birmingham), Centenary Square, at the first bus stop from city, but on the wrong side of the carriageway facing to city.
Anyone know why?
For publicity for the Conservative Party Conference. Andy Street had several photos taken in front of it.
I took it back to BC this morning
Someone on bustimes has changed the livery on E025 from the 9 branding to Electric Sky Blue?
Quote from: Danthebusman on October 13, 2022, 12:40:12 PMSomeone on bustimes has changed the livery on E025 from the 9 branding to Electric Sky Blue?
Yes it's
@Tony, its been debranded from the 9
Quote from: BNH2004 on October 13, 2022, 12:41:41 PMYes it's @Tony, its been debranded from the 9
Oh wow, Im guessing all the 9 branded EVs will get debranded eventually
E024 on the 3 today and running thru to Hospital.
Batteries must be taking a right bashing from those nasty speed humps on skipworth road.
E029 has a new rear NHS advert
E069 has been signed off for for service today, so will probably be out tomorrow. That will be the first '72' plate into use
E056 & E067 both went to Coventry today for service
How many of the new electric buses have been used in service? They do not appear to be tracking.
29 are at Coventry now, but I don't think E055/7 have come out in service yet
Using here. on FB and general observations, I've got: E034/E036-E038/E040/E042-E045/E047-E048/E050-E057/E061-E067/E069.
Think that's 27, so I am 2 missing.
(Actually, I may have missed E058)
Bustimes isn't lying E086 genuinely is on the 85 all the way through to Rugby
Quote from: Tony on November 03, 2022, 03:17:43 PMBustimes isn't lying E086 genuinely is on the 85 all the way through to Rugby
Does that mean that's the first board it has done or has it been out in service before?
Quote from: Tony on November 03, 2022, 03:17:43 PMBustimes isn't lying E086 genuinely is on the 85 all the way through to Rugby
It had to happen before long! :smiley: The 1425 from Coventry is double deck on schooldays.
E071 & E090 now at Coventry for service
Is there a definitive list of which electrics are currently being used in service (other than EO20-29, which seem to get on various services these days - particularly 20 to Nuneaton).
Quote from: don on November 09, 2022, 07:13:24 PMIs there a definitive list of which electrics are currently being used in service (other than EO20-29, which seem to get on various services these days - particularly 20 to Nuneaton).
BusTimes?
https://bustimes.org/operators/national-express-coventry/vehicles
QuoteBusTimes?
https://bustimes.org/operators/national-express-coventry/vehicles
Some still not showing up at all on there.
Full list of those now in service is
E034/36/37/38/40/42/43/44/45/47/48/50/51/52/53/54/55/56/57/59/60/61/62/63/64/65/66/67/68/69/70/71/72/73/77/78/81/84/86/90
Thanks, both.
Some of the electrics are starting to track properly on bustimes
Quote from: Danthebusman on November 13, 2022, 08:56:11 AMSome of the electrics are starting to track properly on bustimes
They all are by the looks of things. Think they've managed to fix it. Just need to add all the buses that are over working service onto there
QuoteThey all are by the looks of things. Think they've managed to fix it. Just need to add all the buses that are over working service onto there
They are getting better, but not sure how you think they all are. When you posted this 19 out of 40 were working, we now have that up to 26 out of 40, soon to be 41 as E039 went to Coventry today
Quote from: Tony on November 16, 2022, 06:03:16 PMThey are getting better, but not sure how you think they all are. When you posted this 19 out of 40 were working, we now have that up to 26 out of 40, soon to be 41 as E039 went to Coventry today
I more meant what bus times are showing. I know BT aren't showing all that are in service. My appologies
Just had a look tonight on Bus Times as to what services the new electrics are running on as i hope to pop up to Coventry next week to grab some photos.
E058 states that at 05.00 this morning it was on the 997 !
Clicked on map to find its at Plaxton, Anston .
QuoteJust had a look tonight on Bus Times as to what services the new electrics are running on as i hope to pop up to Coventry next week to grab some photos.
E058 states that at 05.00 this morning it was on the 997 !
Clicked on map to find its at Plaxton, Anston .
It has been on the 997 every morning for a few days according to the tracker. It is at Anston because one of the ariels was damaged when it arrived.
Registrations for all 130 now on the main site
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Quote from: Tony on November 18, 2022, 07:58:55 PMIt has been on the 997 every morning for a few days according to the tracker. It is at Anston because one of the ariels was damaged when it arrived.
I saw E058 last Wednesday at Dartmouth Circus and it was behind me all the way to Coventry Road when I lost it, possibly heading to BC?
4 new electrics on trade plates in convoy heading down the M40 near Gaydon this morning around 09.30
All up to E127 except E111; E113; E119 & E121 are now built and in the commissioning process
1908 looks very impressive,
Quote from: Ginger66 on December 02, 2022, 09:12:33 PM1908 looks very impressive,
Agreed. I won't get too ahead of myself as ADL seem to be the statistical likelihood at NX for DDs, and Wrightbus for SDs, but who knows! Would look super stealthy in the new livery too.
I should add, whoever designed the temporary vinyl livery for the loan unit deserves plaudits. Looks fantastic for a temporary job! Really nice design to pop on it.
Are NX seriously looking at the purchase of SD electric vehicles any time soon?
Quote from: RW on December 03, 2022, 08:54:48 AMAre NX seriously looking at the purchase of SD electric vehicles any time soon?
As the whole fleet will eventually be zero emission, then yes they need to start looking at what's available and maybe evaluating different types.
Is the e citaro out today
QuoteIs the e citaro out today
In garage at the moment
One for Tony to answer if he knows. How many of the electrics are likely to be available for service by the end of the year?
QuoteOne for Tony to answer if he knows. How many of the electrics are likely to be available for service by the end of the year?
It is looking like the 10 original, plus the 47 new ones already there, the delay isn't the buses, but the charging points being fitted and working, along with the handover of Cox Street Car Park. There's 4 still at BC and another 39 built, inspected and stored at Bruntingthorpe airfield, ready to be delivered as soon as NX request them
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2022, 11:56:45 AMIt is looking like the 10 original, plus the 47 new ones already there, the delay isn't the buses, but the charging points being fitted and working, along with the handover of Cox Street Car Park. There's 4 still at BC and another 39 built, inspected and stored at Bruntingthorpe airfield, ready to be delivered as soon as NX request them
Thanks for the comprehensive answer Tony. Most helpful as I will be in the West Midlands on the 30th and 31st......
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2022, 11:56:45 AMIt is looking like the 10 original, plus the 47 new ones already there, the delay isn't the buses, but the charging points being fitted and working, along with the handover of Cox Street Car Park. There's 4 still at BC and another 39 built, inspected and stored at Bruntingthorpe airfield, ready to be delivered as soon as NX request them
Wow... ADL certainly not messing about by the sounds of things in terms of speed of production. Seems a shame to have so many great new buses essentially parked up, but I suppose the whole point of the electric bus city project from central government is to figure out all of these teething problems. Lot's of retirements and cascades when those all eventually filter in.
Had a couple of hours to spare in/around pool meadow today (Wednesday)
Noted EO 36 40 43 44 45 46 47 48 51 53 54 56 60 61 62 63 65 66 67
069 70 72 75 80 81 82 83 86 90 106 all in service. AND the Royal
appointment E 1952R .... nice touch but does it carry a fleet No???
E1952R is the number it carries, but is E052 officially.
Thanks Gareth I assume the figure '052' does not appear on the vehicle?
Quote from: windy miller on December 21, 2022, 07:28:25 PMThanks Gareth I assume the figure '052' does not appear on the vehicle?
Having ridden on the bus twice, I can confirm that the fleet number E052 appears at the front upstairs inside.
Deliveries have restarted today with E091 & E102 being delivered
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2023, 12:59:30 PMDeliveries have restarted today with E091 & E102 being delivered
Great news. Do we have any indication on when the infrastructure, in terms of depot charging facilities for the 100+ buses, might be ready? I suppose NXWM are eagerly awaiting some of the cascades from CV.
E076 & E098 have been delivered today
E087 & E093 have arrived at BC today
E100 & E122 have arrived at BC today
What are the recurring pinging noises in the Electric buses for? They sound quite mysterious and get higher pitched with speed.
Quote from: Ronnoc on January 06, 2023, 03:46:41 PMWhat are the recurring pinging noises in the Electric buses for? They sound quite mysterious and get higher pitched with speed.
For the blind to see the bus coming
That would be a miracle, maybe so they can hear it coming
Do the new electric buses have wifi?
Quote from: karl724223 on January 06, 2023, 05:43:43 PMFor the blind to see the bus coming
Karl My Father would have appreciated that noise...(quote) " these electrics
are so quiet you cant here them coming"... he said as he crossed the road.....his last words?
///Shit###a Bu...Ahhhhhhh
E093 is the first of the 2023 deliveries to go to Coventry for service. Probably be out later this week. E091 will be next
Does anyone know when the competition to name a bus ends?
QuoteE093 is the first of the 2023 deliveries to go to Coventry for service. Probably be out later this week. E091 will be next
E093 out into service quickly, on the 7 today
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2023, 11:34:51 AME093 out into service quickly, on the 7 today
E091 following suit, out on the 12X today
3 unidentified electrics on trade plates on the A50 McDonald's roundabout Uttoxeter heading towards the M1 about 11.00 today
Quote3 unidentified electrics on trade plates on the A50 McDonald's roundabout Uttoxeter heading towards the M1 about 11.00 today
Will be heading to Hugglescote where they are stored before heading to Bimringham
On E053 and it's making a constant popping noise have no clue what it is or could be
Quote from: Danthebusman on January 20, 2023, 09:17:41 AMOn E053 and it's making a constant popping noise have no clue what it is or could be
Its sounds like a ball-bearing has gone in the steering
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on January 20, 2023, 01:42:24 PMIts sounds like a ball-bearing has gone in the steering
Could be. I noticed it doing it more when it was turning so definitely a possibility
Just dropped E098 off at Coventry, should be the next one into service
Anyone know why the elephants on the sides of the electric buses have the TFWM logo and not the coventry coat of arms?
QuoteAnyone know why the elephants on the sides of the electric buses have the TFWM logo and not the coventry coat of arms?
I presume because TfWM put some of the funding to it maybe?
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 21, 2023, 02:20:07 PMI presume because TfWM put some of the funding to it maybe?
Could be worse - how about a piccy of HRH West Mids mayor - always after some PR!
E098 out for the first time today
4 more new unidentified electrics noted today on the M6 southbound junction 23A
Quote4 more new unidentified electrics noted today on the M6 southbound junction 23A
E133 arrived at BC today, but wouldn't be one of those 4 which would be heading for BYD at Iver
E107 has entered service this morning on the 20
E100 now at Coventry for service.
E088 & E120 both delivered to BC today
With so many electric buses now in Coventry is that why domestic power supplies are struggling here tonight?
QuoteWith so many electric buses now in Coventry is that why domestic power supplies are struggling here tonight?
Really?
If you are serious, then no, because most of the chargers at Coventry garage come on automatically at 22:00 to get the cheaper rate electricity so very few buses are currently charging
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2023, 09:04:40 PMReally?
If you are serious, then no, because most of the chargers at Coventry garage come on automatically at 22:00 to get the cheaper rate electricity so very few buses are currently charging
No not serious! but it does show that UK power seems to be struggling in this v cold weather and demand is going up.
E041 has gone to Coventry today and should be the next one into service. It isn't tracking properly at the moment, currently showing on the A42 which it definitely isn't! so although I have reported it, don't expect it on Bustimes Monday. E100 is also in service not tracking properly
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2023, 01:53:32 PME041 has gone to Coventry today and should be the next one into service. It isn't tracking properly at the moment, currently showing on the A42 which it definitely isn't! so although I have reported it, don't expect it on Bustimes Monday. E100 is also in service not tracking properly
I assume NXC cascades will restart soon
QuoteI assume NXC cascades will restart soon
4670 has just died, but yes some will move out very soon
Today's electric news is E058 has gone to Coventry for service, E115 is now branded up.
The following 12 are currently at BC E035; E049; E076; E087; E088; E096; E102; E115; E120; E122; E128; E133
Today's Electric news
E125 & E132 delivered to BC
E128 has full livery applied
E076 gone to Coventry for service
You see one photo of a Coventry 'electric' you've seen them all probably including those not yet delivered!
Four are expected to enter service for the first time this week E035, E049, E121 & E132
Have E074, E079 and E089 been delivered yet?
Quote from: BNH2004 on February 28, 2023, 06:53:53 PMHave E074, E079 and E089 been delivered yet?
The main site tells you which ones are delivered
E035 has entered service today for the first time today
I'm guessing that some of the buses shown as undelivered on the main site will be getting 23 plates?
Quote from: Roy on March 02, 2023, 10:53:59 AMI'm guessing that some of the buses shown as undelivered on the main site will be getting 23 plates?
No, all 130 are already registered and taxed
E049 has now ventured out in service for the first time as well, so that is all of them up to E073 now in use
Another into service this morning E132 is the latest
And tracking on bus times!
Quote from: Tony on March 03, 2023, 02:21:12 PMAnd tracking on bus times!
Did E116 enter service today because thats tracking too!
E135 first day in service today on the 13 for the morning peak. Tracking on the NX internal system but hasn't appeared on bustimes which is unusual.
E118 also come out for the first time this morning hopefully tracking later
On 7529 this morning heading towards Birmingham on the X2 passed E103 I think at Heybarnes Circus/Smalll Heath Asda at 09:15. Displaying 11 Leamington Spa. Was being driven by Tony I think.
Quote from: 2206 on March 07, 2023, 10:35:56 AMOn 7529 this morning heading towards Birmingham on the X2 passed E103 I think at Heybarnes Circus/Smalll Heath Asda at 09:15. Displaying 11 Leamington Spa. Was being driven by Tony I think.
Yes, E103 & E133 both cleared to enter service today. 11 is the route we use to test the next stop equipment is woring properly
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2023, 01:39:02 PMYes, E103 & E133 both cleared to enter service today. 11 is the route we use to test the next stop equipment is woring properly
U need to test and fix 6977 6970 announcements
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on March 11, 2023, 10:41:57 PMU need to test and fix 6977 6970 announcements
What has that got to do with Coventry electrics?
E092 has entered service today. Others likely this week are E095, E117, E121, E128
Any idea why some of the electric buses not have next stop announcements
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on March 14, 2023, 08:29:43 PMAny idea why some of the electric buses not have next stop announcements
They all have it, for some reason a few have stopped working properly, I fixed 3 of them when I was at Coventry earlier (E040; E062; E063). Any that aren't that we don't know about would be useful as it is not something you can check remotely like I do with tracking.
E128 entered service on the 11 today
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2023, 08:39:50 PMThey all have it, for some reason a few have stopped working properly, I fixed 3 of them when I was at Coventry earlier (E040; E062; E063). Any that aren't that we don't know about would be useful as it is not something you can check remotely like I do with tracking.
Any EVs I come across without next stop announcments I will put here
Quote from: Danthebusman on March 15, 2023, 11:07:58 AMAny EVs I come across without next stop announcments I will put here
Why don't you start a new thread for cov ev non working nsa
Quote from: Danthebusman on March 15, 2023, 11:07:58 AMAny EVs I come across without next stop announcments I will put here
Quote from: karl724223 on March 15, 2023, 03:55:18 PMWhy don't you start a new thread for cov ev non working nsa
Best bet is to use the existing thread here:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4224.0
E099, E115, E122, E125, E129 & E130 have all gone to Coventry today to go into service. E099 went yesterday and is out on the 11/12X today for the first time.
Thanks
@Tony - is there a list of what electrics are current available for or in service at Coventry? I've lost track!!
Quote from: don on March 17, 2023, 05:48:10 PMThanks @Tony - is there a list of what electrics are current available for or in service at Coventry? I've lost track!!
Those currently in service are those listed on here
Fleet list – National Express Coventry – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/operators/national-express-coventry/vehicles)
+E035; E047; E049; E055; E092; E103 & E122 which aren't tracking yet
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2023, 05:59:26 PMThose currently in service are those listed on here
Fleet list – National Express Coventry – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/operators/national-express-coventry/vehicles)
+E035; E047; E049; E055; E092; E103 & E122 which aren't tracking yet
In addition the following are at Coventry waiting for inspections to enter service
| E097 |
| E112 |
| E115 |
| E121 |
| E122 |
| E125 |
| E129 |
| E130 |
The following are at Wolverhampton just waiting for capacity at Coventry to go over
The following is at Walsall just waiting for capacity at Coventry to go over
E085 these are at BC being prepared
| E088 |
| E089 |
| E096 |
| E105 |
| E108 |
| E109 |
| E120 |
| E123 |
| E124 |
| E126 |
| E131 |
| E140 |
| E142 |
| E153 |
These have gone back to Alexander Dennis (At Anston to have faults fixed)
All others are currently at Hugglescote, Leicestershire or at least 6 are now at WN, but I haven't had chance to check which ones Roberts have delivered yet
Is the next batch of electrics that are going into build at Adl going be for Coventry? Or the west midlands?
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2023, 05:59:26 PMThose currently in service are those listed on here
Fleet list – National Express Coventry – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/operators/national-express-coventry/vehicles)
+E035; E047; E049; E055; E092; E103 & E122 which aren't tracking yet
For those who like stats and graphs, here's the current state of play at Coventry:
| Type | Qty | |
| Volvo B7TL Wright Eclipse Gemini | 3 | 1.84% |
| Dennis Trident Alexander ALX400 | 7 | 4.29% |
| ADL Enviro400 MMC | 9 | 5.52% |
| ADL Enviro200 | 13 | 7.98% |
| ADL Enviro400 | 20 | 12.27% |
| Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse 2 | 31 | 19.02% |
| BYD ADL Enviro400EV | 80 | 49.08% |
| | |
| Total in fleet | 163 | |
So we're at the point now where just under half of the fleet at Coventry is now electric.
And here's a pretty graph for those into that sort of thing!
Picture1.jpg
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 17, 2023, 06:53:44 PMIs the next batch of electrics that are going into build at Adl going be for Coventry? Or the west midlands?
How many do you think Coventry need? you certainly couldn't fit 300 buses in Coventry
Quote from: Stu on March 17, 2023, 06:57:10 PMFor those who like stats and graphs, here's the current state of play at Coventry:
| Type | Qty | |
| Volvo B7TL Wright Eclipse Gemini | 3 | 1.84% |
| Dennis Trident Alexander ALX400 | 7 | 4.29% |
| ADL Enviro400 MMC | 9 | 5.52% |
| ADL Enviro200 | 13 | 7.98% |
| ADL Enviro400 | 20 | 12.27% |
| Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse 2 | 31 | 19.02% |
| BYD ADL Enviro400EV | 80 | 49.08% |
| | |
| Total in fleet | 163 | |
So we're at the point now where just under half of the fleet at Coventry is now electric.
And here's a pretty graph for those into that sort of thing!
Picture1.jpg (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=4149;type=preview;file)
The fleet at Coventry is currently bigger than it needs to be at the moment as not every electric can be charged each night yet, I think 74 might be the current maximum but more chargers are being commissioned each day, and a new substation will hopefully come on line to supply all the new chargers this month, hence why 5 ready to go are currently elsewhere, so 80 will be over half of the fleet in reality
Quote from: Danthebusman on March 15, 2023, 11:07:58 AMAny EVs I come across without next stop announcments I will put here
I did make a new post but admins locked it sorry
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2023, 04:45:24 PME099, E115, E122, E125, E129 & E130 have all gone to Coventry today to go into service. E099 went yesterday and is out on the 11/12X today for the first time.
Tony can you tell me why EO 58 is still not tracking beyond Dec last year???
Quote from: windy miller on March 22, 2023, 05:21:47 PMTony can you tell me why EO 58 is still not tracking beyond Dec last year???
Because the tracker is playing up along with around 10 others as per my 'Vehicles not tracking' thread
Thanks Tony
E153 has (I believe) entered service on the 6/A today
Eight more electrics are due to enter service this week. It looks like E121 will be the first
Quote from: Tony on April 03, 2023, 07:54:11 AMEight more electrics are due to enter service this week. It looks like E121 will be the first
Get ready for a wookey orgasam
Coventry now has 90 electrics with four more due to go there this week, so edging closer the 100 vehicles.
Quote from: karl724223 on April 03, 2023, 02:34:29 PMGet ready for a wookey orgasam
Do you think this will be visible on bustimes or do you have to be there in person :grin:
E088 & E097 have entered service today
Two more to look out for in service
E105 & E124 have both now been prepared for service and likely to be out either this afternoon or tomorrow
Whilst in Coventry yesterday noted E058 running on the 21 all day. This vehicle was last reported on bustimes.org last year & never actually in service. Similar with E041 which has not been reported working for 3 weeks but was out on the 17A. Of course, it is possible that these vehicles are not running with their allocated ticket machines installed
Cheers ... Richard
Quote from: Wibble on May 05, 2023, 01:08:37 PMWhilst in Coventry yesterday noted E058 running on the 21 all day. This vehicle was last reported on bustimes.org last year & never actually in service. Similar with E041 which has not been reported working for 3 weeks but was out on the 17A. Of course, it is possible that these vehicles are not running with their allocated ticket machines installed
Cheers ... Richard
Ticket machines don't make any difference to NXWM tracking, but you will find the not tracking ones in the thread 'vehicle not tracking on Bustimes'
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/unique-bright-green-bus-hit-26894963?int_source=nba
Article on the Yutong hitting Cov's streets.
Looks different must say
seen E108 outside the garage facing swanswell pool, unsure if this has seen service yet or not
Landmark reached today, Coventry now have 100 electrics in use
E152 is out in service on the 11 and 12X not sure if it is its first day out
Quote from: Danthebusman on June 17, 2023, 09:35:42 AME152 is out in service on the 11 and 12X not sure if it is its first day out
Was that not e1952R at one point?
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on June 17, 2023, 10:25:11 AMWas that not e1952R at one point?
E052 still has E1952R stickers on it
Electric in Coventry garage I could see when on public road today.
E143
E103
E024
E106
E102
E058
E103
E036
E050
E162
E066
E047
E125
E053
E067
E037
E043
E114
E126
E062
E150
E141
E146
E094
E093
E073
E052 (E1952R)
E129
E083
whats happening with E101, E127, E144, E145, E149 & E155
seems odd that E100 & E102 have arrived, same with E126 &
E128 etc.
buses either side have arrived but for these gaps ?
have they failed acceptance and gone back or being held
back for some other reason ?
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on July 10, 2023, 01:11:11 PMwhats happening with E101, E127, E144, E145, E149 & E155
seems odd that E100 & E102 have arrived, same with E126 &
E128 etc.
buses either side have arrived but for these gaps ?
have they failed acceptance and gone back or being held
back for some other reason ?
You can see from my post made only a few minutes before you posted yours that they all have arrived.
E047 finally tracking after over 6 months in service
now i know to take things on facebook with a big pinch of salt but i saw that NX are planning to order the eCitaros for the single decker fleet, just wanted to see if this was true or not?
Quote from: Danthebusman on July 30, 2023, 08:45:16 PMnow i know to take things on facebook with a big pinch of salt but i saw that NX are planning to order the eCitaros for the single decker fleet, just wanted to see if this was true or not?
It's a rumor atm. Nothing has been confirmed
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 31, 2023, 08:53:20 AMIt's a rumor atm. Nothing has been confirmed
With just over a year left something must be in the pipework surely
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 31, 2023, 08:53:20 AMIt's a rumor atm. Nothing has been confirmed
There's a post by a driver confirming that an order was made after a deal was put in place
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on July 31, 2023, 02:13:34 PMThere's a post by a driver confirming that an order was made after a deal was put in place
Really?
I haven't been told of an order yet
Quote from: Tony on July 31, 2023, 02:22:07 PMReally?
I haven't been told of an order yet
https://www.facebook.com/groups/709889679112022/permalink/5920808341353437/
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on July 31, 2023, 02:27:07 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/709889679112022/permalink/5920808341353437/
I'm not a member of that group, but as Fleet Deployment officer I generally here of actual orders before drivers
E079 entered service on Wednesday
E094, E134, E136, E141, E143, E146 & E150 are all due to enter service in the next few days
Quote from: Tony on August 11, 2023, 11:36:54 AME079 entered service on Wednesday
E094, E134, E136, E141, E143, E146 & E150 are all due to enter service in the next few days
I know what you have to say on this will be very limited but do you know which EVs will be next to come across to Coventry?
Quote from: Danthebusman on August 11, 2023, 12:13:33 PMI know what you have to say on this will be very limited but do you know which EVs will be next to come across to Coventry?
No!
They will be decided on the day they go. Every one parked at BC, WA & WN are ready.
To be honest what difference does it make?
E136 & E150 both out this afternoon
E134 and E150 out on the 11/12X today
Quote from: Tony on August 11, 2023, 11:36:54 AME079 entered service on Wednesday
E094, E134, E136, E141, E143, E146 & E150 are all due to enter service in the next few days
Does that leave many to enter service Tony?
Quote from: markcf83 on August 12, 2023, 02:21:55 PMDoes that leave many to enter service Tony?
That will be 103 out of the 130 order
2 more will be delivered from Wolverhampton Monday
E021/3-7/9/34-8/41/2/4-59/61-78/82-5/7/9/92-4/7-111/4/5/7-9/22-5/8-37/9/41-3/6/50/2/3/5/60/2.
were all in service this morning so that means Coventry now has over 100 electrics in use at the same time.
E159 & E161 have both just entered service. That takes the total in use to 123.
Just the following 17 yet to carry passengers
| E096 |
| E104 |
| E110 |
| E127 |
| E138 |
| E140 |
| E144 |
| E145 |
| E147 |
| E148 |
| E149 |
| E151 |
| E154 |
| E156 |
| E157 |
| E158 |
| E163 |
Down to 13 now
| E096 |
| E104 |
| E110 |
| E127 |
| E138 |
| E140 |
| E144 |
| E145 |
| E149 |
| E151 |
| E156 |
| E157 |
| E158 |
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2023, 10:35:03 AMDown to 13 now
| E096 |
| E104 |
| E110 |
| E127 |
| E138 |
| E140 |
| E144 |
| E145 |
| E149 |
| E151 |
| E156 |
| E157 |
| E158 |
Can't remember if this was mentioned or not but aren't cov meant to be getting E030-E033. I know they've been used for Harry Potter work but wasn't sure if they're planned to head over soon
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 24, 2023, 05:11:27 AMCan't remember if this was mentioned or not but aren't cov meant to be getting E030-E033. I know they've been used for Harry Potter work but wasn't sure if they're planned to head over soon
No
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2023, 10:35:03 AMDown to 13 now
| E096 |
| E104 |
| E110 |
| E127 |
| E138 |
| E140 |
| E144 |
| E145 |
| E149 |
| E151 |
| E156 |
| E157 |
| E158 |
E151 & E158 have entered service now
QuoteDown to 13 now
| E096 |
| E104 |
| E110 |
| E127 |
| E138 |
| E140 |
| E144 |
| E145 |
| E149 |
| E151 |
| E156 |
| E157 |
| E158 |
E096 Entered service on the 23/08/2023
All except E104 (WA) & E110 (BC) are now at Coventry
So with the exception of 4770 and 6966 - which while still at Coventry awaiting repairs won't be used in public service - the first landmark has been reached with Coventry having a 100% electric double-deck fleet.
Quote from: Stu on September 04, 2023, 07:29:29 PMSo with the exception of 4770 and 6966 - which while still at Coventry awaiting repairs won't be used in public service - the first landmark has been reached with Coventry having a 100% electric double-deck fleet.
E157 was being towed by a recovery truck this evening. If that's a breakdown, it's the first electric breakdown I've seen.
Quote from: MW on September 04, 2023, 07:31:14 PME157 was being towed by a recovery truck this evening. If that's a breakdown, it's the first electric breakdown I've seen.
E020 & E021 have had to be towed. E020 a few months back after breaking down in the middle of a junction on the 16 and E021 yesterday on the 13
E149 out for the first time today on the 21's
There can't be many more left to enter service, 10-15 I'd guess.
Quote from: Danthebusman on September 06, 2023, 10:20:38 AMThere can't be many more left to enter service, 10-15 I'd guess.
Just
3 others not showing on Bustimes
Quote from: Mayfield on September 07, 2023, 10:06:36 AM3 others not showing on Bustimes
To anyone actually out spotting in the sunshine will see all 3 in service today
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2023, 10:16:45 AMTo anyone actually out spotting in the sunshine will see all 3 in service today
Random question but do you know which EV started the 05:48 17A to Fenside board? I'm currently at work and wasn't able to spot it this morning, it will go out of service after it's 12:06 17A trip to UHCW, just curious as I note all the buses that work the 17/A daily as it's my local route.
I heard something at AG over the weekend, confirmed by a retired driver as fact (im not sure)
AG will NOT get Electric buses ever, the plan is to make it the last Diesel Garage in the fleet, then close it altogether. i know The AGRA want AG Garage closed due to noise nuisance and the long lines of buses returning in the evening, for overt 15 years (i knew somebody within the AGRA)
can anybody shed some light on this is it true or untrue (i suspect untrue)
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on September 11, 2023, 03:55:31 PMI heard something at AG over the weekend, confirmed by a retired driver as fact (im not sure)
AG will NOT get Electric buses ever, the plan is to make it the last Diesel Garage in the fleet, then close it altogether. i know The AGRA want AG Garage closed due to noise nuisance and the long lines of buses returning in the evening, for overt 15 years (i knew somebody within the AGRA)
can anybody shed some light on this is it true or untrue (i suspect untrue)
So you don't make a garage electric, when making it electric would actually solve both complaints?
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2023, 04:14:41 PMSo you don't make a garage electric, when making it electric would actually solve both complaints?
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on September 11, 2023, 03:55:31 PMI heard something at AG over the weekend, confirmed by a retired driver as fact (im not sure)
AG will NOT get Electric buses ever, the plan is to make it the last Diesel Garage in the fleet, then close it altogether. i know The AGRA want AG Garage closed due to noise nuisance and the long lines of buses returning in the evening, for overt 15 years (i knew somebody within the AGRA)
can anybody shed some light on this is it true or untrue (i suspect untrue)
Maybe not hydrogen because of garage/ outside space. But electric would definitely solve the neighbouring issue.
plus there's been rumours about every garage shutting down. Just because PB had a new move, and BC is getting replaced. It doesn't mean every garage will need replacing.
2030 everything will be electric, and I doubt all 8 garages would have been replaced in 10 years
I hope all these people moaning about the AG garage lived there before it was built (obviously they didn't!) otherwise they should quieten down. Same NIMBYs got Quinton shut in 1997 which would have been an ideal garage location to have stayed open, even more so with BC closing.
Quote from: j789 on September 11, 2023, 07:36:14 PMI hope all these people moaning about the AG garage lived there before it was built (obviously they didn't!) otherwise they should quieten down. Same NIMBYs got Quinton shut in 1997 which would have been an ideal garage location to have stayed open, even more so with BC closing.
Don't worry. The Quinton residents got there comeuppance with a busy Tesco instead.
Quote from: j789 on September 11, 2023, 07:36:14 PMI hope all these people moaning about the AG garage lived there before it was built (obviously they didn't!) otherwise they should quieten down. Same NIMBYs got Quinton shut in 1997 which would have been an ideal garage location to have stayed open, even more so with BC closing.
Same sort of people who move in next to an airport and complain about the noise like it just suddenly appeared in the night
What is AGRA?
QuoteWhat is AGRA?
Acocks Green resident's association ??
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2023, 07:59:01 AMJust
E127 out today, not tracking, so just E104 not yet in service. This one is the trial bus for the new digital radio system at Coventry so don't have a date for it to enter service yet
E104 out today completing the set
Do you know when the last few will start tracking ?
Quote from: Mayfield on September 15, 2023, 09:10:17 AMDo you know when the last few will start tracking ?
They've all been reported to Traffilog to fix
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2023, 07:52:26 AME104 out today completing the set
Great news, now we will wait and see what happens with the SD fleet.
So old buses have problems but out of curiosity what sort of problems does the electrics tend to have
Quote from: OLDBURY87 on July 29, 2024, 10:27:31 PMSo old buses have problems but out of curiosity what sort of problems does the electrics tend to have
That's a bit of a long list tbf
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 30, 2024, 01:00:45 AMThat's a bit of a long list tbf
Quote from: OLDBURY87 on July 29, 2024, 10:27:31 PMSo old buses have problems but out of curiosity what sort of problems does the electrics tend to have
Very little. Coventry garage regularly run 100% of their mileage now, and for the first time since any of us can remember on a weekday Perry Barr didn't have a single loss of mileage last Friday
Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2024, 06:02:51 AMVery little. Coventry garage regularly run 100% of their mileage now, and for the first time since any of us can remember on a weekday Perry Barr didn't have a single loss of mileage last Friday
Ohh that's good
E089 was sat down at the hospital interchange this morning. Breakdown van attending. Seems to have been taken out of service since?
Quote from: Sandy Lane on August 12, 2024, 11:04:11 AME089 was sat down at the hospital interchange this morning. Breakdown van attending. Seems to have been taken out of service since?
E089 back in service on the 17:02 X1 tonight.
1908's last day in service was yesterday.
Currently at BC to return to as received condition to go back to Volvo on Friday.
Hi All
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. I am an out of town enthusiast planning to visit the city soon to look at the electrics. I note that E127 hasnt tracked for sometime. Is there a reason for this? Thanks
Quote from: Twiney on September 28, 2024, 09:09:45 PMHi All
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. I am an out of town enthusiast planning to visit the city soon to look at the electrics. I note that E127 hasnt tracked for sometime. Is there a reason for this? Thanks
Yes, the tracker doesn't work
E232 has now entered service at Coventry and has just left Birmingham on the X1
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2024, 12:57:00 PME232 has now entered service at Coventry and has just left Birmingham on the X1
I noticed E239 had been transferred to Coventry in July this year? Is it still at Coventry or has it returned to Yardley wood?
Quote from: windy miller on October 05, 2024, 02:31:39 AMI noticed E239 had been transferred to Coventry in July this year? Is it still at Coventry or has it returned to Yardley wood?
I believe her and E232 are still here there to cover a emergency school route
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on October 05, 2024, 02:37:58 AMI believe her and E232 are still here there to cover a emergency school route
The 9S timetable has had an increase to x4 journeys in the PM x3 AM.
So I guess that might be the service.
https://bustimes.org/services/9s-green-lane-coventry
Quote from: 2206 on October 05, 2024, 08:06:44 AMThe 9S timetable has had an increase to x4 journeys in the PM x3 AM.
So I guess that might be the service.
https://bustimes.org/services/9s-green-lane-coventry
Strange timetable, the first journeys randomly run short, would this be to detract everyone cramming on to first bus and for the purpose of quickly recycling vehicle for another journey?.
PM trips are rerouted via Kenilworth Rd, the original 1515 journey only tracks at the moment and has correctly ran the new route only once this week.
To think in the nineties WMT ran a network of at least 6 routes from the school to suburban areas where the pupils lived but all now lost in the name of funding removal etc, I guess it's only lucrative to quickly dump all in the City Centre.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on October 05, 2024, 02:37:58 AMI believe her and E232 are still here there to cover a emergency school route
E232 was on the 13 from Segro Park early this morning but couldn't see it on Bustimes tracking.
Is the X1 slowly making the electrics become unreliable? Just seen 2 electrics break down on the X1 and it seems to be becoming a common occurrence on this route. No hate to electrics before anyone lashes, I prefer them on the X1
Quote from: BBS on December 11, 2024, 09:24:42 PMIs the X1 slowly making the electrics become unreliable? Just seen 2 electrics break down on the X1 and it seems to be becoming a common occurrence on this route. No hate to electrics before anyone lashes, I prefer them on the X1
Tbf the electrics on the X1 are mostly between 40/50mph for most of the journey, maybe that has an effect on the batteries?
QuoteTbf the electrics on the X1 are mostly between 40/50mph for most of the journey, maybe that has an effect on the batteries?
I've started seeing more and more electrics breaking down and driver gives the comment "unable to move the bus", I do agree with you though, considering the X1 does 40 for approximately 11 miles of constant speed 40. Also considering how many journeys these buses will need to do too. I think a decision needs to be made into reverting this route to diesel while Á suitable choice is found. Best for Coventry garage imo
Quote from: BBS on December 11, 2024, 09:41:32 PMI've started seeing more and more electrics breaking down and driver gives the comment "unable to move the bus", I do agree with you though, considering the X1 does 40 for approximately 11 miles of constant speed 40. Also considering how many journeys these buses will need to do too. I think a decision needs to be made into reverting this route to diesel while Á suitable choice is found. Best for Coventry garage imo
You haven't seen that many, Coventry have about one tenth the number of diesel garages
Quote from: BBS on December 11, 2024, 09:41:32 PMI've started seeing more and more electrics breaking down and driver gives the comment "unable to move the bus", I do agree with you though, considering the X1 does 40 for approximately 11 miles of constant speed 40. Also considering how many journeys these buses will need to do too. I think a decision needs to be made into reverting this route to diesel while Á suitable choice is found. Best for Coventry garage imo
looks like quite a problem, having used the X1 / 900 5 days a week for over 2 years i always felt it was quite a stretch there arent really enough for the range they are asked to cover and the time it takes to recharge - no i dont know the details its true but i believe they are limited to approx 3 round trips then stop to be charged, so there are always buses on charge (allegedly)
i was always skeptical about the range the technology isnt ready yet, i feel we have not moved on from Milk Trucks (apart from speed)
yes i know im gonna get it in spades from people now, but, i think when the technology is & infrastructure are ready its an option
Quotelooks like quite a problem, having used the X1 / 900 5 days a week for over 2 years i always felt it was quite a stretch there arent really enough for the range they are asked to cover and the time it takes to recharge - no i dont know the details its true but i believe they are limited to approx 3 round trips then stop to be charged, so there are always buses on charge (allegedly)
i was always skeptical about the range the technology isnt ready yet, i feel we have not moved on from Milk Trucks (apart from speed)
yes i know im gonna get it in spades from people now, but, i think when the technology is & infrastructure are ready its an option
100% agree with you, and like I said previously I like the E400EVs on the X1. But it's best for the company if they remove these buses of this route for the time being. It's not because I dislike them or enthusiast hate electric buses, but from a passenger perspective it's reducing reliability, considering these buses have to push 40 for 11 miles straight for 4-6 journeys, plus the Meriden hill towards the A45 Bridge, the batteries must be being pushed significantly to the point these need to be changed every few months or so
QuoteYou haven't seen that many, Coventry have about one tenth the number of diesel garages
Cant Birmingham central regain this route temporarily? I use this route frequently and I can tell you the amount of times these have struggled
Quote from: BBS on December 11, 2024, 10:08:22 PM100% agree with you, and like I said previously I like the E400EVs on the X1. But it's best for the company if they remove these buses of this route for the time being. It's not because I dislike them or enthusiast hate electric buses, but from a passenger perspective it's reducing reliability, considering these buses have to push 40 for 11 miles straight for 4-6 journeys, plus the Meriden hill towards the A45 Bridge, the batteries must be being pushed significantly to the point these need to be changed every few months or so
Batteries are hugely expensive - the single most expensive component on electric vehicles - and they aren't changed every few months. I can't speak for buses, but electric cars typically have a battery warranty of around 8 years.
These buses are typically only doing a few round trips on the X1, and aren't branded so will be used on any Coventry route in between. I'd be surprised if a few spells of 40mph stretches over the course of part of a day would have a significantly adverse effect on fairly new buses.
If so, what are the problems these buses have been getting on this specific route then?
Quote from: BBS on December 11, 2024, 10:08:22 PM100% agree with you, and like I said previously I like the E400EVs on the X1. But it's best for the company if they remove these buses of this route for the time being. It's not because I dislike them or enthusiast hate electric buses, but from a passenger perspective it's reducing reliability, considering these buses have to push 40 for 11 miles straight for 4-6 journeys, plus the Meriden hill towards the A45 Bridge, the batteries must be being pushed significantly to the point these need to be changed every few months or so
The X1 will always have seen a higher than typical number of failures whatever vehicles are operating it due to the nature of the route. Unless there is evidence that the electrics are breaking down significantly more frequently than the diesel vehicles used to on the same route it is basically irrelevant that they may be breaking down more frequently on that route compared to others.
QuoteThe X1 will always have seen a higher than typical number of failures whatever vehicles are operating it due to the nature of the route. Unless there is evidence that the electrics are breaking down significantly more frequently than the diesel vehicles used to on the same route it is basically irrelevant that they may be breaking down more frequently on that route compared to others.
A diesel tank doesn't degrade does it though, but batteries do. It puts effect on other routes those buses need to do, love to see how the electrics carry on doing the X1 in the upcoming years
Quote from: AlexS on December 11, 2024, 10:58:17 PMThe X1 will always have seen a higher than typical number of failures whatever vehicles are operating it due to the nature of the route. Unless there is evidence that the electrics are breaking down significantly more frequently than the diesel vehicles used to on the same route it is basically irrelevant that they may be breaking down more frequently on that route compared to others.
Hasn't First Leicester also gone back to diesel deckers on the BHX5 Spon End - Rugby Gateway?
It would help if there was more Aiport shorts during the daytime to help the X1 as it's a nightmare throughout the whole day, back when they was running there was hardly an issues that the X1 has now, which also is effecting the X2. I would much prefer BC back on the X1 as the Electrics are sadly very uncomfortable to ride on there. Or the Airport shorts to return!
QuoteIt would help if there was more Aiport shorts during the daytime to help the X1 as it's a nightmare throughout the whole day, back when they was running there was hardly an issues that the X1 has now, which also is effecting the X2. I would much prefer BC back on the X1 as the Electrics are sadly very uncomfortable to ride on there. Or the Airport shorts to return!
The electrics have also cut capacity now haven't they?
Quote from: Mike K on December 11, 2024, 10:45:45 PMBatteries are hugely expensive - the single most expensive component on electric vehicles - and they aren't changed every few months. I can't speak for buses, but electric cars typically have a battery warranty of around 8 years.
These buses are typically only doing a few round trips on the X1, and aren't branded so will be used on any Coventry route in between. I'd be surprised if a few spells of 40mph stretches over the course of part of a day would have a significantly adverse effect on fairly new buses.
It doesn't. It's amazing how people comment to say a bus has broken down with defective doors, then others say electric buses are unreliable. All buses have doors. (Those comments were on Facebook not here but I suspect some of the comments on here are from people sering Facebook posts)
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 11, 2024, 11:04:43 PMHasn't First Leicester also gone back to diesel deckers on the BHX5 Spon End - Rugby Gateway?
There has been a couple this week
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 11, 2024, 11:04:43 PMHasn't First Leicester also gone back to diesel deckers on the BHX5 Spon End - Rugby Gateway?
Should never really have been electric given the electrics were purchased with Zebra funding for services in Leicester and the route doesn't go anywhere near Leicester. Was only operated with Electrics for a short period whilst Diesels that were appropriate for the route were unavailable.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 11, 2024, 11:04:43 PMHasn't First Leicester also gone back to diesel deckers on the BHX5 Spon End - Rugby Gateway?
I seen an EV with a diesel behind it this morning on the way to Spon End.
20 plate EV E021 on the X1 today, uncommon to see these on this route
Quote from: BBS on December 12, 2024, 01:44:28 PM20 plate EV E021 on the X1 today, uncommon to see these on this route
The garage don't differentiate, they are no less common than any other bus
QuoteThe garage don't differentiate, they are no less common than any other bus
So if possible, does that route have any chances of returning to BC? I'm sure X1 isn't a ZEBRA funded route either, so possible to revert this and finally get a chance to sit down on this route since platinums had more capacity? I'm sure NX has 2 years to find a suitable electric bus that has the right battery life for the route ( such as the newer ADL E400EV ).
Quote from: BBS on December 12, 2024, 03:01:38 PMSo if possible, does that route have any chances of returning to BC? I'm sure X1 isn't a ZEBRA funded route either, so possible to revert this and finally get a chance to sit down on this route since platinums had more capacity? I'm sure NX has 2 years to find a suitable electric bus that has the right battery life for the route ( such as the newer ADL E400EV ).
Coventry has to be 100% electric end of next year, so no, not two years and no idea what you are on about finding a suitable electric bus, no current bus has run out of battery, and as far as I know no breakdowns die to being an electric bus.
Obviously everything Tony has said answers the queries on the X1, First experiences. There does seem to be a massive misconception about EVs. Yes people are right to have anxiety range- it is an issue, and yes they can be very annoying when you arrive at a motorway services and find half the chargers not working and a queue for the few that are. But they also have less parts to go wrong. I accept that an EV bus isn't the same as an EV car, which is what I experience.
However, you simply manage it! (and yes occasionally get very frustrated by it too) The NX management is seemingly excellent and will know exactly what they are doing. That is what you do with any vehicle but especially EVs. You manage them. You know the range, you plan accordingly. If you stick them on the X1, you factor the range into the diagrams. The notion that the schedulers would allow a bus to run out of range and that a driver wouldn't say "erm we have a problem" if a mistake by a scheduler is made is one I struggle to comprehend.
So have range concern... yes. Lead to breakdowns because of this no. Have more mechanical issues than diesel, no. My experience is an electric car can be difficult to service for a mechanic because there is so little to service, the battery part tends to look after itself and there is no gears, clutch, belts etc to worry about
I didn't know where else to put this, or indeed what can be done to fix it, but the X1 has disappeared from Google Maps. I stumbled across this today when looking for times. The X2 is still on there but if you ask for directions from Digbeth to the airport it sends you to New Street for the train.
QuoteI didn't know where else to put this, or indeed what can be done to fix it, but the X1 has disappeared from Google Maps. I stumbled across this today when looking for times. The X2 is still on there but if you ask for directions from Digbeth to the airport it sends you to New Street for the train.
Believe it's a timetable issue, as on bustimes and Apple Maps, the timetables do not show on running buses
Coventry garage, by the end of today, should be in the enviable position of not having a single defective bus in the garage. 842 & E073 are the only two at the moment and both are being fixed today. In 47 years with the company I have never known any garage ever get anywhere near close to that, and it shows the effect of having new buses, but the electrics being far from unreliable people have commented above allows the diesels to be looked after more as well.
So far today the only bus that has had to be changed is 874 and that wasn't an actual breakdown, it was exchanged for 843 with no lost mileage.
Let hope you haven't cursed it
E276 has gone to Coventry for service until YW has full charging available
QuoteE276 has gone to Coventry for service until YW has full charging available
Another reindeer to the collection!
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2025, 01:01:32 PME276 has gone to Coventry for service until YW has full charging available
Thanks for this info, will be keeping an eye out for it on Saturday.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/fleet-electric-buses-set-hit-30886830
If I've read that correctly, it seems that Warwickshire Council will be providing the electric bus funding/buses for a number of routes, including the 24/25/85.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 29, 2025, 05:24:14 PMhttps://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/fleet-electric-buses-set-hit-30886830
If I've read that correctly, it seems that Warwickshire Council will be providing the electric bus funding/buses for a number of routes, including the 24/25/85.
I'm pretty sure that is referring to the existing funding that is already in place, and Stagecoach already have electric buses waiting to enter service at Nuneaton and Rugby that have used this funding.
The exception of course is the 24 and 25/A which are operated by NX Coventry and I'm pretty sure that they already have electric single decks on order for delivery before the end of this year.
It sounds to me that this is an 'announcement of old news' and the 'journalist' has just found a list of bus routes that operate to/from Coventry without knowing who runs them.
Happy to be corrected or proved wrong of course! :smiley:
Quote from: Stu on January 29, 2025, 07:08:12 PMI'm pretty sure that is referring to the existing funding that is already in place, and Stagecoach already have electric buses waiting to enter service at Nuneaton and Rugby that have used this funding.
The exception of course is the 24 and 25/A which are operated by NX Coventry and I'm pretty sure that they already have electric single decks on order for delivery before the end of this year.
It sounds to me that this is an 'announcement of old news' and the 'journalist' has just found a list of bus routes that operate to/from Coventry without knowing who runs them.
Happy to be corrected or proved wrong of course! :smiley:
The other services on that list are Arriva services. Operated from Hinckley I believe?
& the 735 is operated by Coventry Minibuses.
All Warwickshire County Council tendered services.
QuoteThe other services on that list are Arriva services. Operated from Hinckley I believe?
& the 735 is operated by Coventry Minibuses.
All Warwickshire County Council tendered services.
That doesn't count the X6 does it?
Quote from: BBS on January 29, 2025, 11:50:23 PMThat doesn't count the X6 does it?
Isn't the x6 excluded as it's normally ran by a coach?