I can't remember if WM have a 'Dog' acceptance policy on buses these days- I do know that some operators will refuse to carry dogs (other than Blind dogs) on any service. I did see a complaint notice in the press recently- where someone had been refused access with her dog due to 'company policy' . The significant factor here was that the bus was actually a RAIL replacement bus.? surely if a dog(s) were admitted on the train that the bus service was meant to replace then you would have every right to complain? :o
I'm pretty sure NXWM allow dogs on board, as I recently saw some chavs sat at the back of a PE B7RLE on the 246 allowing their staffordshire bull terrier to jump all over the seats in front of them
In my opinion dogs shouldn't be allowed on board, as in most cases it does always seem to be some 'chav' with a bull terrier type dog. They always seem to be on the seat or jumping up other passengers, which is against the conditions of carriage.
Personally I have a fear of dogs, and there have been several occasions where dogs have been on board in the pram/wheelchair area jumping up passengers as they have gone past. Luckily these have always got off before me, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to get off the bus!
Quote from: notepanel on June 11, 2012, 11:45:56 AM
In my opinion dogs shouldn't be allowed on board, as in most cases it does always seem to be some 'chav' with a bull terrier type dog. They always seem to be on the seat or jumping up other passengers, which is against the conditions of carriage.
Personally I have a fear of dogs, and there have been several occasions where dogs have been on board in the pram/wheelchair area jumping up passengers as they have gone past. Luckily these have always got off before me, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to get off the bus!
Easy solution to this. It may sound ridiculous, but it works for me.
When coming down the stairs there may be a dog in the buggy area, and I'm waiting for the bus to stop. I look the dog right in the eye and keep looking at it with a sot of serious look. The dog then moves back to it's owner and you don't get any funny business. It's worked on all types of dogs.
I don't think they should be banned, just ban the chavs in general! A couple of Years ago me and a family member were taking our two dogs to the Vet's and a polish driver on the 11 refused us entry as he said Travel's policy was one dog per bus, he got out the cab and was waving his hand in our faces shouting "One Dog, One Bus"... bit of a nutcase I think. Generally though apart from that incident, Bus Drivers seem alright allowing dogs on-board around here.
(I should just say our dogs are well trained, not the kind who jump on the seats or bark every 5 seconds!)
Personally i dont see a problem with dogs on the bus as long as they are well behaved and dont jump on the seats. I've seen many owners take dogs on the bus without a problem but there is a small minority who dont train their dogs.
They should be banned. They disgust the vehicles even more. Hair everywhere and the smell.
If for some reason they couldn't, the owners should have to pay the fare for the dog as well.
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 01:22:14 PM
They should be banned. They disgust the vehicles even more. Hair everywhere and the smell.
If for some reason they couldn't, the owners should have to pay the fare for the dog as well.
Whereas Every person who uses buses, including the chavs, always take extra care to look after the vehicle and not to stink the buses out with cigarettes.
Quote from: trident4370 on June 11, 2012, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 01:22:14 PM
They should be banned. They disgust the vehicles even more. Hair everywhere and the smell.
If for some reason they couldn't, the owners should have to pay the fare for the dog as well.
Whereas Every person who uses buses, including the chavs, always take extra care to look after the vehicle and not to stink the buses out with cigarettes.
Dogs are worse. Most people don't like dogs. They shouldn't be allowed on public transport what so ever. If you want a dog, you use your car. That's my opinion.
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 01:34:55 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 11, 2012, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 01:22:14 PM
They should be banned. They disgust the vehicles even more. Hair everywhere and the smell.
If for some reason they couldn't, the owners should have to pay the fare for the dog as well.
Whereas Every person who uses buses, including the chavs, always take extra care to look after the vehicle and not to stink the buses out with cigarettes.
Dogs are worse. Most people don't like dogs. They shouldn't be allowed on public transport what so ever. If you want a dog, you use your car. That's my opinion.
Funny that, last time I checked there were about 10 million dog owning families in the UK, so clearly not everyone hates dogs. I can think of far worse "creatures" to allow on buses than dogs, at least Dogs don't etch windows and smoke weed on the buses, don't eat smelly maggot infested fried chicken on the buses or give the drivers abuse. I can understand concerns with chavs taking their bull mastiffs on the buses but to ban anyone and everyone is just a stupid idea.
What about pensioners who have dogs as companions for example who cannot afford cars? People with Disabilites/Blind people who need dogs to guide them? Your comments just suggest ignorance to me, especially as you think staring at a dog in its eyes, will stop it attacking you, If anything you are just asking for a bite.
That is my opinion like it or lump it.
I don't have a car, that's why I use the buses. Admittedly I've never had to catch one with my dog but it's useful to know it's there for the vets etc.
All the dogs I've seen have been civil and well trained, on the 3, but that's not to say there aren't bad dogs out there (but there are bad people too). If someone's going to let their dog run around the bus, they shouldn't be on the bus anyway IMO, even without their dog they'd probably be a nuisance.
Paying an additional fare for a dog seems reasonable, after all it's taking up space. (But then we don't charge for young children for some reason).
Quote from: Badger on June 11, 2012, 02:00:13 PM
I don't have a car, that's why I use the buses. Admittedly I've never had to catch one with my dog but it's useful to know it's there for the vets etc.
All the dogs I've seen have been civil and well trained, on the 3, but that's not to say there aren't bad dogs out there (but there are bad people too). If someone's going to let their dog run around the bus, they shouldn't be on the bus anyway IMO, even without their dog they'd probably be a nuisance.
Paying an additional fare for a dog seems reasonable, after all it's taking up space. (But then we don't charge for young children for some reason).
I agree that paying for a dog could be an option but when pushchairs that could be folded up take up loads of room and as you say small children, I think it'd only be fair to charge for dogs if small children were also made to pay a child fare.
Fron NXWM's Terms And Conditions of carriage:
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/legal/CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_Mar2011_Final_v2.pdf
QuoteANIMALS
12.1 Assistance dogs for disabled customers, guide dogs, and hearing dogs are
permitted to travel on Company vehicles.
12.2 Other dogs or inoffensive animals can be brought onto the vehicle only if
permitted by the driver, who has complete discretion in this matter.
12.3 Reasons why animals will not be carried include if the animal appears
dangerous or likely to upset either other customers or animals already on the
vehicle.
12.4 No animal should sit or be placed on vehicle seats.
12.5 It is the responsibility of the customer bringing an animal onto a Company
vehicle to ensure it is being kept under proper control at all times on a lead or
in a suitable container, and does not cause a nuisance to the driver or other
customers.
12.6 The Company does not accept any liability howsoever caused for the loss,
death or injury to animals whilst being conveyed, unless caused through
negligence by the Company or its staff.
So its entirely up to the driver whether he lets you on with a dog. And sometimes I wish more drivers would enforce this. I can recall travelling home from Shirley one evening on the 31, and a couple of chavs got on with a dog, and sat at the back of the lower deck, and their dog decided to have a wee. Dog piss trickling down the floor of a bus can't be very hygienic. :o
On the other hand, I was on an 11A the once going up to Stechford, and I was at the front of the top deck, and a nice young lady had a very well behaved dog, it was sat on the seat next to her opposite me, looking out the front window very curiously at everything going by! :D
There you go then, the drivers have every right to turn away the chavs whilst allowing normal people with dogs onto the buses!
If you have a dog walk it! Help the bus companies reduce their lost millage from dog sick, poo and urine needed to be cleaned up. Get dogs off seats and out of buggy zones! How long till a child is savaged by one on a bus? I appreciate not all owners let their dogs on seats but it happens alot! NX policy leaves the decision to the driver so it is their decision if it is carried as far as i know.
Quote from: richie on June 11, 2012, 07:43:19 PM
If you have a dog walk it! Help the bus companies reduce their lost millage from dog sick, poo and urine needed to be cleaned up. Get dogs off seats and out of buggy zones! How long till a child is savaged by one on a bus? I appreciate not all owners let their dogs on seats but it happens alot! NX policy leaves the decision to the driver so it is their decision if it is carried as far as i know.
Whoever heard of a 60 year olds Pomeranian mauling a child to death... Urgh I give up, people on here do come up with some crap sometimes!
Now come on, the dog will be on a lead. The owner shouldn't let the dog anywhere near them anyway. I've been on NXWM buses with dogs before and all were very quiet and just laid down peacefully. I would say it would be very harsh to ban them off all public transport. It is there for the public to use and if for their convenience, to move their dog around. It is especially useful for the elderly. I agree fully with trident 4370.
So all dogs that board buses are owned by the elderly and on leads? Get real!
So all dogs are untrained incontinent vicious monsters, get real!
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 11, 2012, 08:08:06 PM
Now come on, the dog will be on a lead. The owner shouldn't let the dog anywhere near them anyway. I've been on NXWM buses with dogs before and all were very quiet and just laid down peacefully. I would say it would be very harsh to ban them off all public transport. It is there for the public to use and if for their convenience, to move their dog around. It is especially useful for the elderly. I agree fully with trident 4370.
Thank you! Nice to see some sane people are still alive. I think a few people on this forum actually need to get a dog as they dont have a clue what they are talking about!
I didn't say they were all savage but it happens and why wouldn't it happen on a bus full of passengers when the animal's space is encrouched upon?. There are far more chavs with certain breeds of dogs on buses as 'show pieces' than elderly folk.
Why should people on a bus have to share their space with animals? We're not expected to put up with it in shops so why should we in a bus, which is often cramped and busy and you know what not everyone likes dogs and they can often detract from a quality interior and can threaten passengers. Certainly, at the very least, they should charge for dogs and drivers should have the right to forbid boarding. Also, dogs could be put in cages-problem solved and lets face it your average tracksuit mum doesnt need to take the dog to Greggs for the sausage roll I mean really......
And as it has been previously pointed out, Drivers have every right to turn away the unsightly's with dogs if they suspect trouble will kick off! I do think you have a point with Chavs they use them as a status symbol and dont train them at all, but I think its unfair to say that any dog on a crowded bus will attack! I have 2 dogs (and I'm neither elderly or a chav!) who couldn't care less how many people are around them and actually enjoy a bus ride, Never had any trouble with them misbehaving on any bus once!
How exactly is it going to be good for NXWM's profits if they turned away every single passenger who had an animal? Families taking dogs to the vets for example? Sometimes people may take their dog on the bus to a favorite park? Disabled people who need dogs to find their way? Sorry but that is silly talk. Perhaps bus drivers should turn away people with under 5s, who usually occupy a seat if too big for a buggy and dont pay for the privilege either.
Thats my opinion and I stick to it.
Agree again and putting a dog into a cage, well if I tried putting my Border collie into one, well he wouldn't be too happy!
Having dogs on the bus is ridiculous. It puts off passengers, like myself, and it takes the p*** when you go to sit on a seat and there's hair all over it from a dog. The smell of some of them is atrocious. Let's face it, most people who have dogs are chavs and grave dodgers.
The dogs should be allowed on buses. They are public transport. Dogs aren't considered as the public. They are just creatures. You wouldn't bring a lion onto the bus, or a snake and say, it's my pet and it's well trained. No, it's absolutely ridiculous. No animals should be allowed on public transport, nothing whatsoever.
Quote from: Peter123 on June 11, 2012, 08:21:01 PM
Why should people on a bus have to share their space with animals? We're not expected to put up with it in shops so why should we in a bus, which is often cramped and busy and you know what not everyone likes dogs and they can often detract from a quality interior and can threaten passengers. Certainly, at the very least, they should charge for dogs and drivers should have the right to forbid boarding. Also, dogs could be put in cages-problem solved and lets face it your average tracksuit mum doesnt need to take the dog to Greggs for the sausage roll I mean really......
You unknowingly already share your space on the bus daily with animals..... they are the ones that burn the seat backs, etch the windows, abuse the driver, intimidate other passengers, smoke weed, drink, urinate at the back of buses, cut the seats etc....... The majority of dogs are far better behaved, of the minority which are nasty/may foul on a bus, it's generally down to the way they are treated/lack of training by their owners. Gangs of chavs now use certain breads of dogs as status symbols, however, how many bus drivers will be willing to stop a group of chavs bringing a dog on board / challenge a group of chavs for letting their dog jump over the seats or intimidate other passengers, none for fear of being attacked...... in instances such as those drivers should use their panic button & let the police/safer travel officers/inspectors remove/deal with them.
There would be no harm in bus companies charging say a child's fare to carry a dog, the only rules being your dog will be carried if it kept under tight control/is well behaved and must sit on the floor down by your feet
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 11:26:44 PM
Having dogs on the bus is ridiculous. It puts off passengers, like myself, and it takes the p*** when you go to sit on a seat and there's hair all over it from a dog. The smell of some of them is atrocious. Let's face it, most people who have dogs are chavs and grave dodgers.
The dogs should be allowed on buses. They are public transport. Dogs aren't considered as the public. They are just creatures. You wouldn't bring a lion onto the bus, or a snake and say, it's my pet and it's well trained. No, it's absolutely ridiculous. No animals should be allowed on public transport, nothing whatsoever.
Michael, you really do talk sh*t sometimes..... I'm a dog owner, so you're also putting me in the chav / grave dodger bracket, of which I am neither. Our dog comes everywhere we are allowed to take her, including on holiday, and we have to pay extra to take her in dog friendly apartments / caravans etc, yet she is better behaved / creates less mess / does less damage than a family with kids......
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 11:26:44 PM
Having dogs on the bus is ridiculous. It puts off passengers, like myself, and it takes the p*** when you go to sit on a seat and there's hair all over it from a dog. The smell of some of them is atrocious. Let's face it, most people who have dogs are chavs and grave dodgers.
The dogs should be allowed on buses. They are public transport. Dogs aren't considered as the public. They are just creatures. You wouldn't bring a lion onto the bus, or a snake and say, it's my pet and it's well trained. No, it's absolutely ridiculous. No animals should be allowed on public transport, nothing whatsoever.
Michael, you really do talk sh*t sometimes..... I'm a dog owner, so you're also putting me in the chav / grave dodger bracket, of which I am neither. Our dog comes everywhere we are allowed to take her, including on holiday, and we have to pay extra to take her in dog friendly apartments / caravans etc, yet she is better behaved / creates less mess / does less damage than a family with kids......
Winston, that's my opinion of dogs. I have a very serious opinion with them because I absolutely hate them. They're disgusting creatures, but as I say, that's all my opinion. I don't talk sh*t, it's just that just because you've said something, it doesn't make it true.
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 11:26:44 PM
Having dogs on the bus is ridiculous. It puts off passengers, like myself, and it takes the p*** when you go to sit on a seat and there's hair all over it from a dog. The smell of some of them is atrocious. Let's face it, most people who have dogs are chavs and grave dodgers.
The dogs should be allowed on buses. They are public transport. Dogs aren't considered as the public. They are just creatures. You wouldn't bring a lion onto the bus, or a snake and say, it's my pet and it's well trained. No, it's absolutely ridiculous. No animals should be allowed on public transport, nothing whatsoever.
Michael, you really do talk sh*t sometimes..... I'm a dog owner, so you're also putting me in the chav / grave dodger bracket, of which I am neither. Our dog comes everywhere we are allowed to take her, including on holiday, and we have to pay extra to take her in dog friendly apartments / caravans etc, yet she is better behaved / creates less mess / does less damage than a family with kids......
Winston, that's my opinion of dogs. I have a very serious opinion with them because I absolutely hate them. They're disgusting creatures, but as I say, that's all my opinion. I don't talk sh*t, it's just that just because you've said something, it doesn't make it true.
Your opinion is way off the mark....... What I have quoted above is fact! we'd never let our dog foul / damage anyone else's property, the majority of genuine dog owners are of the same mind, it's only the minority that have been dragged up that give the rest of us a bad reputation.
Maybe dogs should have to pay!!!!
"Adult Daysaver an a Dog Return Please!" ;D
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2012, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 11:26:44 PM
Having dogs on the bus is ridiculous. It puts off passengers, like myself, and it takes the p*** when you go to sit on a seat and there's hair all over it from a dog. The smell of some of them is atrocious. Let's face it, most people who have dogs are chavs and grave dodgers.
The dogs should be allowed on buses. They are public transport. Dogs aren't considered as the public. They are just creatures. You wouldn't bring a lion onto the bus, or a snake and say, it's my pet and it's well trained. No, it's absolutely ridiculous. No animals should be allowed on public transport, nothing whatsoever.
Michael, you really do talk sh*t sometimes..... I'm a dog owner, so you're also putting me in the chav / grave dodger bracket, of which I am neither. Our dog comes everywhere we are allowed to take her, including on holiday, and we have to pay extra to take her in dog friendly apartments / caravans etc, yet she is better behaved / creates less mess / does less damage than a family with kids......
Winston, that's my opinion of dogs. I have a very serious opinion with them because I absolutely hate them. They're disgusting creatures, but as I say, that's all my opinion. I don't talk sh*t, it's just that just because you've said something, it doesn't make it true.
Your opinion is way off the mark....... What I have quoted above is fact! we'd never let our dog foul / damage anyone else's property, the majority of genuine dog owners are of the same mind, it's only the minority that have been dragged up that give the rest of us a bad reputation.
Just because you'd not do something, doesn't mean everyone else will follow you.
An example. They ban certain items from planes now because of terrorism. They don't let the people who they think might not be terrorists take them, they apply the rules to everyone.
Michael: So if you had yiour wish and ALL dogs were banned, do you really think that the driver would enforce it to chavs and gangs with dogs?
Doubt it! They're too scared to deal with a kid smoking or blatently etching the fuck out of a brand new bus!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 12, 2012, 06:16:56 PM
Michael: So if you had yiour wish and ALL dogs were banned, do you really think that the driver would enforce it to chavs and gangs with dogs?
Doubt it! They're too scared to deal with a kid smoking or blatently etching the **** out of a brand new bus!
I don't think so, it's a harsh reality, but I would like them too. If inspectors come on board, the dog owners should get a fine, if it was enforced.
So you would fine a perfectly acceptable member of the community if they had a dog, when the driver had let them on. I've caught the bus with dogs before and the owners were mainly elderly and the dogs were fine. If the driver lets them on, he is the one who has the say on who gets chucked off. In reply to a earlier comment of staring dogs in the eye, thats not a good idea. They do not like being stared in the eye as a vet told me once and they are more likely to be aggressive as they are feeling threatened. I've got nothing more to say on the matter now. Back onto bus matters!
Quote from: Michael on June 12, 2012, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2012, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: Michael on June 11, 2012, 11:26:44 PM
Having dogs on the bus is ridiculous. It puts off passengers, like myself, and it takes the p*** when you go to sit on a seat and there's hair all over it from a dog. The smell of some of them is atrocious. Let's face it, most people who have dogs are chavs and grave dodgers.
The dogs should be allowed on buses. They are public transport. Dogs aren't considered as the public. They are just creatures. You wouldn't bring a lion onto the bus, or a snake and say, it's my pet and it's well trained. No, it's absolutely ridiculous. No animals should be allowed on public transport, nothing whatsoever.
Michael, you really do talk sh*t sometimes..... I'm a dog owner, so you're also putting me in the chav / grave dodger bracket, of which I am neither. Our dog comes everywhere we are allowed to take her, including on holiday, and we have to pay extra to take her in dog friendly apartments / caravans etc, yet she is better behaved / creates less mess / does less damage than a family with kids......
Winston, that's my opinion of dogs. I have a very serious opinion with them because I absolutely hate them. They're disgusting creatures, but as I say, that's all my opinion. I don't talk sh*t, it's just that just because you've said something, it doesn't make it true.
Your opinion is way off the mark....... What I have quoted above is fact! we'd never let our dog foul / damage anyone else's property, the majority of genuine dog owners are of the same mind, it's only the minority that have been dragged up that give the rest of us a bad reputation.
Just because you'd not do something, doesn't mean everyone else will follow you.
An example. They ban certain items from planes now because of terrorism. They don't let the people who they think might not be terrorists take them, they apply the rules to everyone.
If you say so....... it also doesn't mean that all dogs/owners are all the same as you see them either. Your opinion is based on a handful of instances witnessed/experienced on a bus, as quoted earlier there are millions of dog's in this country, with millions of owners, that will never see on your journeys to compare, there is good and bad in everyone/everything
What has that example got to do with anything being discussed above? Dogs aren't banned from buses for starters, so it's irrelevant
i agree with dog hater richie walk the bloody flea bitten wammal keep it off the bus
Quote from: karl724223 on June 12, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
i agree with dog hater richie walk the bloody flea bitten wammal keep it off the bus
It's nice to see that the sense really is common. I thought I was the only one here!
And those of us whose dogs don't have fleas?
-.-;
I don't mind the dogs...some of the owners scare the hell out of me tho!!!
Quote from: 4006 on June 12, 2012, 11:21:17 AM
Maybe dogs should have to pay!!!!
"Adult Daysaver an a Dog Return Please!" ;D
A woof saver please!
Quote from: windy miller on June 11, 2012, 12:23:52 AM
I can't remember if WM have a 'Dog' acceptance policy on buses these days- I do know that some operators will refuse to carry dogs (other than Blind dogs) on any service. I did see a complaint notice in the press recently- where someone had been refused access with her dog due to 'company policy' . The significant factor here was that the bus was actually a RAIL replacement bus.? surely if a dog(s) were admitted on the train that the bus service was meant to replace then you would have every right to complain? :o
Dogs are allowed on NX vehicles so long as they do not cause a nuisance to other passengers. Interpret that how you like. But under no circumstances is the dog allowed on the seats. If you see a chav with a Staffie on the seat this should not happen, and the chances are the chav knows this, thats why the dog IS on the seat.
The majority of dog owners take care to keep their pets off the seats. Isn't it a pity so many people DON'T keep their own feet off seats. When I have had the audacity to ask someone to move their feet so that I could sit down "if looks could kill" comes to mind.
Well-!!! -that topic caused some controversy didn't it.? :) TBH I think my topic heading was a typo!- it should have read 'Dogging' on buses- :)..... I mean, wev'e all done it havn't we?.. NO? .. Just me then... ;)
Quote from: windy miller on July 10, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
Well-!!! -that topic caused some controversy didn't it.? :) TBH I think my topic heading was a typo!- it should have read 'Dogging' on buses- :)..... I mean, wev'e all done it havn't we?.. NO? .. Just me then... ;)
Maybe a courting session I know I have the seats on the Petes MPD I drove were very comfy (not the moulded plastic ones they hurt your back) I know the reg was V266BNV does it still exist
I think there is an official DVLE access page somewhere (for bona fide users) where you can establish vehicle identity/existance- I have tried to trace several of my early cars with no success. Basicly, if its not listed it usualy means its been scrapped. Pity you didn't have CCTV in those days... the Video might have been worth more than the bus! :) ;D
https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/app/home/intro?skin=directgov
Choose the 'vehicle enquiry' button on the left hand side, you'll need to know the reg' & the chassis make.
V266 is taxed until June next year, & allegedly is still yellow. It's still at Redditch with Diamond - & was red the last time i saw it!.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55059449@N06/6963940478/
Must have been vinyled wrapped then?
yep....Trace...the Vinyl frontier you might say :o :o I think you have a limited amount of time to advise the DVLA of a change of veh colour -no idea what the penalties might be if you dont? ... I expect they send a bloke round to criticise your curtains or something if you don't comply with the rules.. ;) ::)