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Title: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: PM on December 31, 2014, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too

Thandi/A Line/Golden Line drivers used to do this on the Bristol Road when they ran those services.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Sh4318 on December 31, 2014, 05:03:25 PM
This happened once before to me, I was on the 445 (now 54) and the driver was listening to the radio
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: PM on December 31, 2014, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 05:04:14 PM
Coach drivers often have the radio on, I don't mind this at all even if the music isn't to my taste

No I don't have a problem with it either.

I also remember a Blue Diamond driver on the 10H listening to the cricket!!!
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too

Which company?
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 06:42:18 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too

Which company?

Sounds like something you'd have done, LS  ;)

It was standard procedure to listen to the radio for the football results on a Saturday afternoon.. Just back in those days the portable radios were slightly bigger then the ones nowadays! All good fun!
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Mike K on December 31, 2014, 07:40:19 PM
I once woke up at the terminus of the 22N many years ago after falling asleep following a late night on the pop. The driver was listening to some sort of church / choir music. For a moment in my confused drunken state I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Then I looked out of the window and realised we were at the old Bale of Hay pub in Bartley Green. It was then I realised I had in fact gone to hell.

I'm assuming the NX policy is that radios are not permitted but I've seen drivers at some of the smaller companies do it many times.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: Mike K on December 31, 2014, 07:40:19 PM
I once woke up at the terminus of the 22N many years ago after falling asleep following a late night on the pop. The driver was listening to some sort of church / choir music. For a moment in my confused drunken state I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Then I looked out of the window and realised we were at the old Bale of Hay pub in Bartley Green. It was then I realised I had in fact gone to hell.

I'm assuming the NX policy is that radios are not permitted but I've seen drivers at some of the smaller companies do it many times.

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahaaa!!!!!!! Michael you sly dog!

And yes; Strictly forbidden on NX with a P45 awaiting you.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too

Which company?

It was diamond
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too

Which company?

It was diamond

Surprise surprise

I don't mind it being quiet, but it was really loud, and he was driving really slow to make the least possible engine noise, so that he could hear it well
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: PM on December 31, 2014, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too

Which company?

It was diamond

Surprise surprise

I don't mind it being quiet, but it was really loud, and he was driving really slow to make the least possible engine noise, so that he could hear it well

Or he was sticking to timetable?
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:36:46 PM
4H
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too

Which company?

It was diamond

Surprise surprise

I don't mind it being quiet, but it was really loud, and he was driving really slow to make the least possible engine noise, so that he could hear it well

Or he was sticking to timetable?

Precisely. Yes he shouldn't be listening to music in service due to it causing poor customer service (lol) but you can't say he was driving slow to listen to it... Be careful what you're saying, Trident 4194, don't wanna be causing any possible defamation against any driver(s) whom have no sort of defence.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Is this allowed, as I've  just been on a bus with driver playing music very loudly, could hear it from back of the bus, and it was remix!
When ludlows operated there was a driver who used to play music fairly loudly, but it was more pop music, and was quite nice to listen too

Which company?

It was diamond

Surprise surprise

I don't mind it being quiet, but it was really loud, and he was driving really slow to make the least possible engine noise, so that he could hear it well

Or he was sticking to timetable?

Precisely. Yes he shouldn't be listening to music in service due to it causing poor customer service (lol) but you can't say he was driving slow to listen to it... Be careful what you're saying, Trident 4194, don't wanna be causing any possible defamation against any driver(s) whom have no sort of defence.

Oh, I don't want to report it, I was just asking if it was allowed, Ludlows used too I know. No further action. A few drivers listen to football scores on Saturdays, I don't mind that
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Bryan on December 31, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
In my opinion music shouldn't be allowed on buses, either from the drivers cab or passengers devises. To people like myself it is an annoyance and puts me off public transport. I would add that even applies if I like the music.

Also, a driver should be concentrating on driving.

Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: bususer12 on January 01, 2015, 01:05:34 PM
There is one diamond driver who often has his music on. It's usually radio 1xtra type music, however I've seen him on the 282 regularly so thats probably a good route for him. Didn't really mind as I had my earphones.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: the trainbasher on January 01, 2015, 01:44:33 PM
The Sipson Road driver I've got has a random BBC radio station on
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on January 01, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
But surely if you have the radio on and are listening to music/football results etc:, surely you are not concentrating 100% on your job which can only be a bad thing!?
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Liverpool Street on January 01, 2015, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 01, 2015, 02:18:11 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 01, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
But surely if you have the radio on and are listening to music/football results etc:, surely you are not concentrating 100% on your job which can only be a bad thing!?

If it was that much of a distraction there would be a law against it, as there is against using phones and hand-held devices

It's still frowned upon by most operators. I think it's more to do with lack of customer service when you have music on... but then it beggars belief why passengers find it acceptable to listen to their music blaring out of their tinny monotone Walkmans ~ if anything more distracting to the driver then his own music.

I'm not bothered either way. The driver can pretty much do as he pleases, as long he doesn't damage me on the bus lol
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: PM on January 01, 2015, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 01, 2015, 02:18:11 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 01, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
But surely if you have the radio on and are listening to music/football results etc:, surely you are not concentrating 100% on your job which can only be a bad thing!?

If it was that much of a distraction there would be a law against it, as there is against using phones and hand-held devices

Precisely, and radios etc wouldn't be fitted in cars...

I really have no problem with it, especially if on supported evening services with very light passenger loadings/no passengers at all.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: trident4370 on January 02, 2015, 01:26:42 AM
I had a green bus driver listening to Smooth radio over the summer holidays on the 50, luckily for me though it was quiet!
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: 4006 on January 02, 2015, 01:44:57 AM
Quote from: Bryan on December 31, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
In my opinion music shouldn't be allowed on buses, either from the drivers cab or passengers devises. To people like myself it is an annoyance and puts me off public transport. I would add that even applies if I like the music.

Also, a driver should be concentrating on driving.
If the music don't put you off public transport I'm pretty sure there's plenty of other things that will  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Tara4352 on January 02, 2015, 10:41:59 AM
I had someone who was talking on the phone on  a WMNST 24 months back so I got off in Cradley Heath and got the 141 as it was really loud and had forgotten to bring my earphones to listen to my music on my phone
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on January 02, 2015, 11:56:30 AM
Quote from: Tara4352 on January 02, 2015, 10:41:59 AM
I had someone who was talking on the phone on  a WMNST 24 months back so I got off in Cradley Heath and got the 141 as it was really loud and had forgotten to bring my earphones to listen to my music on my phone

Was this the driver?
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Tara4352 on January 02, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
Yes it was
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on January 02, 2015, 12:05:53 PM
Then the driver should have been reported to the company responsible, ie: Igo. Although, as has been pointed out to me, there is no law to stop drivers listening to the radio, there is one about using a mobile whilst driving.

I thought you meant that one of the passengers who was talking on there phone, not a lot you can do about it. It's like when people drop litter on buses, you can hardly pick it up and throw it at them can you?  :D :D
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Matt.N0056 on January 02, 2015, 01:23:41 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 02, 2015, 12:05:53 PM
Then the driver should have been reported to the company responsible, ie: Igo. Although, as has been pointed out to me, there is no law to stop drivers listening to the radio, there is one about using a mobile whilst driving.

I thought you meant that one of the passengers who was talking on there phone, not a lot you can do about it. It's like when people drop litter on buses, you can hardly pick it up and throw it at them can you?  :D :D

If the music is loud enough for passengers to hear then you could argue they need a licence to play the music  ;) :o
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Bryan on January 02, 2015, 07:24:11 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on January 02, 2015, 01:23:41 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 02, 2015, 12:05:53 PM
Then the driver should have been reported to the company responsible, ie: Igo. Although, as has been pointed out to me, there is no law to stop drivers listening to the radio, there is one about using a mobile whilst driving.

I thought you meant that one of the passengers who was talking on there phone, not a lot you can do about it. It's like when people drop litter on buses, you can hardly pick it up and throw it at them can you?  :D :D

If the music is loud enough for passengers to hear then you could argue they need a licence to play the music  ;) :o

A very good point. I'd forgotten about The Performing Rights Society and the licensing regulations.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: MrBevan2000 on January 05, 2015, 03:20:04 PM
There's a driver for Central who sometimes listens to music on his iPad. I don't think it should be illegal. When I went to Benidorm the buses there had built in speakers which played music. It was lovely.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Metrorider on January 08, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 08:11:52 PM

Surprise surprise

Why surprise surprise because it was a Diamond driver Matt? I know plenty of drivers from smaller companies that have music on whilst driving. Can't see the problem with it really, if the passengers aren't complaining and the driver enjoys it (which would probably keep him or her in a nice pleasant mood) then I'm all for it. I read somewhere that Preston bus have a trial going on at the moment with music in the buses!

Edit: Found the link about Preston (http://www.thenorthwestbusblog.co.uk/2014/12/prestonbus-prefers-music-over-wifi.html)
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Metrorider on January 08, 2015, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 08, 2015, 08:21:46 PM

Haha wasn't a negative comment as such, I just dislike Diamond. If you read my latter comments I don't mind music at all. I've always fancied the idea of playing the radio through speakers throughout the bus. Looks like Preston beat me to it!

lol, fair enough then.  ;)
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Metrorider on January 08, 2015, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 07:50:44 PM

And yes; Strictly forbidden on NX with a P45 awaiting you.

Pretty much everything it seems is forbidden on NXWM with a P45 awaiting you, I've yet to speak to a driver that actually enjoys working for NXWM!! I did actually spot a driver over Xmas with an earphone in his left ear, nearly fell out of my seat with shock when I spotted it, it was on one of the older Mercs so maybe no camera ect?
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: mranon on January 08, 2015, 11:01:59 PM
i remember 12 years or so ago driving an old duple grant spec coach one saturday when england rugby were playing. i was on a dead route on a main corridor. it had a radio fitted and the previous driver left it on, albeit low volume. anyway passengers heard the match so asked me to turn it up. i did, then every stop i pulled up at, he shouted match on!!!! never picked so many up lol.

seriously, sometimes i wish there was something on in the background to lighten the mood.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Liverpool Street on January 09, 2015, 12:28:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 08, 2015, 08:21:46 PM
Quote from: Metrorider on January 08, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 08:11:52 PM

Surprise surprise

Why surprise surprise because it was a Diamond driver Matt? I know plenty of drivers from smaller companies that have music on whilst driving. Can't see the problem with it really, if the passengers aren't complaining and the driver enjoys it (which would probably keep him or her in a nice pleasant mood) then I'm all for it. I read somewhere that Preston bus have a trial going on at the moment with music in the buses!

Haha wasn't a negative comment as such, I just dislike Diamond. If you read my latter comments I don't mind music at all. I've always fancied the idea of playing the radio through speakers throughout the bus. Looks like Preston beat me to it!

Yes but if they install it on E200's they'll need it verrrry loud indeed!

Quote from: Metrorider on January 08, 2015, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 07:50:44 PM

And yes; Strictly forbidden on NX with a P45 awaiting you.

Pretty much everything it seems is forbidden on NXWM with a P45 awaiting you, I've yet to speak to a driver that actually enjoys working for NXWM!! I did actually spot a driver over Xmas with an earphone in his left ear, nearly fell out of my seat with shock when I spotted it, it was on one of the older Mercs so maybe no camera ect?

If he was caught he'll definitely get the sack. I'm not the first person to say it but National Express are too strict, there's no deviation from the rule book.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Ashley on January 09, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
I think its another witch hunt topic, I was on an Arriva bus earlier tho week and the driver had Radio 2 on which was fine and I see nothing wrong with music in the drivers cab, beats the stuff you hear on the top deck
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: SMK on January 09, 2015, 10:48:57 PM
Last year there was a driver on the 26A who had a fondness for listening to an assortment of bashment/dancehall tracks when the bus was near enough empty.
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Adam 404 on January 10, 2015, 08:35:53 AM
The drivers of Travel De Courcey usaul have music in there earpiece when the depot isn't talking to them.  One driver even told me!
Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: Ben on January 10, 2015, 12:45:01 PM
Quote from: Metrorider on January 08, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
I read somewhere that Preston bus have a trial going on at the moment with music in the buses!
Edit: Found the link about Preston (http://www.thenorthwestbusblog.co.uk/2014/12/prestonbus-prefers-music-over-wifi.html)
I got back to Preston from Coventry on Monday and the first thing I heard when I stepped onto the bus was this very system!

I was tired so I didn't pay much attention to the actual music other than noticing that the ambiance was ok.- Seems a bit of a gimmick but in my eyes it might seem discouraging to idiots blasting crap out of their own devices***


Personally I wish it was wifi being installed. Something operators needs to crack on with actually.


Title: Re: Drivers listening to music in cab?
Post by: desmond_tay on January 11, 2015, 10:34:49 AM
Arriva's buses contracting for Movia in Copenhagen, Denmark have their drivers listening to radio in the driver's cabin and it automatically shuts off whenever the driver opens the door. Pretty interesting concept for driver's welfare actually. If listening to radio while driving a car or a truck is possible, I don't see whats wrong with the same thing on a bus too.