If anyone is interested, just a few registrations of recently delivered Enviro 400 Hybrids
2452 - SL14 DDF
2453 - SL14 DDJ
2455 - SL14 DDN
2456 - SL14 DDO
2457 - SL14 DDU
2458 - SL14 DDV
They are for use on route C3, but also may be used on routes 211 & C2, on order up to 2464.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2014, 06:23:35 PM
Tes for use on route C3, but also may be used on routes 211 & C2, on order up to 2464.
Are they not for the E1 from Hayes Depot?
Quote from: Winston on June 07, 2014, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2014, 06:23:35 PM
Tes for use on route C3, but also may be used on routes 211 & C2, on order up to 2464.
Are they not for the E1 from Hayes Depot?
They are 2444 to 2451 Winston, they have all been delivered and are in use on the E1.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2014, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 07, 2014, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2014, 06:23:35 PM
Tes for use on route C3, but also may be used on routes 211 & C2, on order up to 2464.
Are they not for the E1 from Hayes Depot?
They are 2444 to 2451 Winston, they have all been delivered and are in use on the E1.
Fair enough Stu, I'm not so up to date on Abellio other than tender results which they still seem to be doing remarkably well at retaining/winning
Latest one I've spotted is 2461 - SL14 DDZ
Quote from: Winston on June 07, 2014, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2014, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 07, 2014, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2014, 06:23:35 PM
Tes for use on route C3, but also may be used on routes 211 & C2, on order up to 2464.
Are they not for the E1 from Hayes Depot?
They are 2444 to 2451 Winston, they have all been delivered and are in use on the E1.
Fair enough Stu, I'm not so up to date on Abellio other than tender results which they still seem to be doing remarkably well at retaining/winning
I notice Abellio have won another two routes in the latest round of tenders out yesterday?
Quote from: Winston on June 07, 2014, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2014, 06:23:35 PM
Tes for use on route C3, but also may be used on routes 211 & C2, on order up to 2464.
Are they not for the E1 from Hayes Depot?
They are for the E1, but 2446 escaped onto the 350 today
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2014, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 07, 2014, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2014, 06:23:35 PM
Tes for use on route C3, but also may be used on routes 211 & C2, on order up to 2464.
Are they not for the E1 from Hayes Depot?
They are for the E1, but 2446 escaped onto the 350 today
yes 2444 to 2451 are for the E1, but the ones that were spotted above 2451 are for route C3.
Looks like 2446 is on an afternoon board, came out at 15:21.
2446 was also on the 350 on Wednesday.
Not strictly on topic, but I see Abellio have retained the Tfl route 407 & have won the 201 off London General.
Courtesy of LOTS:
Tranche 458
201 awarded to Abellio London (currently London General) with new hybrid single deck, PVR 10. Start date 4 October.
407 re-awarded to Abellio London with one new hybrid double deck and 12 new hybrid single deck. Start date 1 November.
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
Not strictly on topic, but I see Abellio have retained the Tfl route 407 & have won the 201 off London General.
Courtesy of LOTS:
Tranche 458
201 awarded to Abellio London (currently London General) with new hybrid single deck, PVR 10. Start date 4 October.
407 re-awarded to Abellio London with one new hybrid double deck and 12 new hybrid single deck. Start date 1 November.
@Winston Yes being discuessed on one of the London Bus Groups how Abellio are really making in roads into London at the moment, rumour has it they are putting in really low bids and that they don't pay there drivers as much as other companies in London.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
Not strictly on topic, but I see Abellio have retained the Tfl route 407 & have won the 201 off London General.
Courtesy of LOTS:
Tranche 458
201 awarded to Abellio London (currently London General) with new hybrid single deck, PVR 10. Start date 4 October.
407 re-awarded to Abellio London with one new hybrid double deck and 12 new hybrid single deck. Start date 1 November.
@Winston Yes being discuessed on one of the London Bus Groups how Abellio are really making in roads into London at the moment, rumour has it they are putting in really low bids and that they don't pay there drivers as much as other companies in London.
@Stuharris 6360 Abellio seem to be going from strength to strength, they seem to be consistently winning new work / retain the bulk of their existing work & only lose the odd route to others.... Surely at some stage in the not too distant future they're are going to need another garage or a sizable extension to an existing one. Ye, I've seen those rumours, or Abellio directors have friends within Tfl tendering departments, brown envelopes full of cash etc, etc.
Realistically, it could be that Abellio are putting in lower bids, as Abellio/NED railways are looking for the profit margins Arriva/Go-Ahead want etc. Surely Abellio need to pay their drivers near the going rate, otherwise they would always be struggling to fill positions & would struggle to recruit new staff for all the tender wins as not all existing staff will TUPE across to Abellio
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
When it was Travel London it was only 10p per hour more than NXWM's top rate
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
When it was Travel London it was only 10p per hour more than NXWM's top rate
Presumably drivers in London are paid considerably more for having to live in the South-East...
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
Maybe you are right on the lower pay then?
Found this from 2010:
'all I know is Abellio pay £11.60 starter wage for PCV holders but very little more for overtime which is dissapointing. Struggling to find ANY info online about other current wages but have been led to believe the average is at least £12 and often at least £15 for overtime'
And this last year, if you read down it seems Abellio may favour employing Eastern Europeans who will work for lower rates of pay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324447/Bus-driver-handed-60-000-ex-bosses-sacked-unfairly-developed-diabetes.html
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
Maybe you are right on the lower pay then?
Found this from 2010:
'all I know is Abellio pay £11.60 starter wage for PCV holders but very little more for overtime which is dissapointing. Struggling to find ANY info online about other current wages but have been led to believe the average is at least £12 and often at least £15 for overtime'
And this last year, if you read down it seems Abellio may favour employing Eastern Europeans who will work for lower rates of pay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324447/Bus-driver-handed-60-000-ex-bosses-sacked-unfairly-developed-diabetes.html
Wasn't it abellio who advertised vacancies abroad first and this led to the press getting involved etc.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086652/Bosses-new-London-Routemaster-bus-fly-Poland-hire-drivers-turning-Britons.html
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 13, 2014, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
Maybe you are right on the lower pay then?
Found this from 2010:
'all I know is Abellio pay £11.60 starter wage for PCV holders but very little more for overtime which is dissapointing. Struggling to find ANY info online about other current wages but have been led to believe the average is at least £12 and often at least £15 for overtime'
And this last year, if you read down it seems Abellio may favour employing Eastern Europeans who will work for lower rates of pay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324447/Bus-driver-handed-60-000-ex-bosses-sacked-unfairly-developed-diabetes.html
Wasn't it abellio who advertised vacancies abroad first and this led to the press getting involved etc.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086652/Bosses-new-London-Routemaster-bus-fly-Poland-hire-drivers-turning-Britons.html
Looks pretty conclusive then, that's how Abellio manage to go in cheaper on tenders, as they have lower staffing costs
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 13, 2014, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
Maybe you are right on the lower pay then?
Found this from 2010:
'all I know is Abellio pay £11.60 starter wage for PCV holders but very little more for overtime which is dissapointing. Struggling to find ANY info online about other current wages but have been led to believe the average is at least £12 and often at least £15 for overtime'
And this last year, if you read down it seems Abellio may favour employing Eastern Europeans who will work for lower rates of pay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324447/Bus-driver-handed-60-000-ex-bosses-sacked-unfairly-developed-diabetes.html
Wasn't it abellio who advertised vacancies abroad first and this led to the press getting involved etc.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086652/Bosses-new-London-Routemaster-bus-fly-Poland-hire-drivers-turning-Britons.html
Looks pretty conclusive then, that's how Abellio manage to go in cheaper on tenders, as they have lower staffing costs
If we trust the Daily Mail :P
No doubt staffing costs are a, if not the, major expense on TfL contracts.
Without wishing to sound like an idiot, how do tenders work? Presumably it is on a gross cost basis ie cheapest wins but surely some services could pay for themselves on the cash and Oyster fares. Or does all this go back to TfL?
I picked up a recruitment leaflet while I was there. It says that due to an increase in work, they are recruiting trainee and licence holders, and that you could earn between £600 - £800 per week
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 14, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 13, 2014, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
Maybe you are right on the lower pay then?
Found this from 2010:
'all I know is Abellio pay £11.60 starter wage for PCV holders but very little more for overtime which is dissapointing. Struggling to find ANY info online about other current wages but have been led to believe the average is at least £12 and often at least £15 for overtime'
And this last year, if you read down it seems Abellio may favour employing Eastern Europeans who will work for lower rates of pay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324447/Bus-driver-handed-60-000-ex-bosses-sacked-unfairly-developed-diabetes.html
Wasn't it abellio who advertised vacancies abroad first and this led to the press getting involved etc.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086652/Bosses-new-London-Routemaster-bus-fly-Poland-hire-drivers-turning-Britons.html
Looks pretty conclusive then, that's how Abellio manage to go in cheaper on tenders, as they have lower staffing costs
If we trust the Daily Mail :P
No doubt staffing costs are a, if not the, major expense on TfL contracts.
Without wishing to sound like an idiot, how do tenders work? Presumably it is on a gross cost basis ie cheapest wins but surely some services could pay for themselves on the cash and Oyster fares. Or does all this go back to TfL?
All the revenue taken goes straight to Tfl regardless of type. I think the operators are purely bidding to operate the routes themselves
Quote from: Winston on June 14, 2014, 12:16:20 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 14, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 13, 2014, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
@Winston Just been trying to find out what rate of pay Abellio offer, but all the website is is "excellent rate of pay".
Interestingly the website also says "You should have a minimum of 12 months visa documentation or longer before the date of expiry"
Maybe you are right on the lower pay then?
Found this from 2010:
'all I know is Abellio pay £11.60 starter wage for PCV holders but very little more for overtime which is dissapointing. Struggling to find ANY info online about other current wages but have been led to believe the average is at least £12 and often at least £15 for overtime'
And this last year, if you read down it seems Abellio may favour employing Eastern Europeans who will work for lower rates of pay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324447/Bus-driver-handed-60-000-ex-bosses-sacked-unfairly-developed-diabetes.html
Wasn't it abellio who advertised vacancies abroad first and this led to the press getting involved etc.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086652/Bosses-new-London-Routemaster-bus-fly-Poland-hire-drivers-turning-Britons.html
Looks pretty conclusive then, that's how Abellio manage to go in cheaper on tenders, as they have lower staffing costs
If we trust the Daily Mail :P
No doubt staffing costs are a, if not the, major expense on TfL contracts.
Without wishing to sound like an idiot, how do tenders work? Presumably it is on a gross cost basis ie cheapest wins but surely some services could pay for themselves on the cash and Oyster fares. Or does all this go back to TfL?
All the revenue taken goes straight to Tfl regardless of type. I think the operators are purely bidding to operate the routes themselves
Right, thanks for the info. It does seem quite bureaucratic-surely it'd be easier and cheaper for passengers if there was genuine, on-street competition, and innovation. Don't know how that would be achieved though :P