So NX have promised another 300 buses over the next 2 years ( includes the E400s delivered to PB )
1, Which vehicles need to be replaced ?
2, Which routes need new vehicles?
3, Which garages need new investment /buses ?
4, Have any buses been ordered ?
1. Remaining B6LE, B10L & Mercs all need to be replaced
2. 11A & 11C, 45/47, 50, 61/63, 82/87 & 94
3. WB more new vehicles than the promised £3 Million investment, YW hasn't had anything new since 2010 & AG (Either for the Outer Circle or the concentration of Presidents needs to be reduced)
4. None confirmed
Quote from: Winston on January 08, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
1. Remaining B6LE, B10L & Mercs all need to be replaced
2. 11A & 11C, 45/47, 50, 61/63, 82/87 & 94
3. WB more new vehicles than the promised £3 Million investment, YW hasn't had anything new since 2010 & AG (Either for the Outer Circle or the concentration of Presidents needs to be reduced)
4. None confirmed
I thought there were some new E200s on order for WN?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 09, 2014, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 08, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
1. Remaining B6LE, B10L & Mercs all need to be replaced
2. 11A & 11C, 45/47, 50, 61/63, 82/87 & 94
3. WB more new vehicles than the promised £3 Million investment, YW hasn't had anything new since 2010 & AG (Either for the Outer Circle or the concentration of Presidents needs to be reduced)
4. None confirmed
I thought there were some new E200s on order for WN?
Not as far as i am aware Stu. I did say if WN did have any new buses it would probably be some E200's to replace B6's and Mercs :)
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 09, 2014, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 08, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
1. Remaining B6LE, B10L & Mercs all need to be replaced
2. 11A & 11C, 45/47, 50, 61/63, 82/87 & 94
3. WB more new vehicles than the promised £3 Million investment, YW hasn't had anything new since 2010 & AG (Either for the Outer Circle or the concentration of Presidents needs to be reduced)
4. None confirmed
I thought there were some new E200s on order for WN?
Not as far as i am aware Stu. I did say if WN did have any new buses it would probably be some E200's to replace B6's and Mercs :)
I might be wrong Nathan, but i thought Tony confirmed the order a little while ago when someone asked him what was on order??
Well i am doing my work experience at Park Lane so i will be finding out some relevent info :)
Didn't someone say that garages were being asked to put in bids for new E200s?
Quote from: Stevo on January 09, 2014, 08:42:54 PM
Didn't someone say that garages were being asked to put in bids for new E200s?
Wasn't Walsall putting in a bid for some for the 34/8/9?
Quote from: Stevo on January 09, 2014, 08:42:54 PM
Didn't someone say that garages were being asked to put in bids for new E200s?
The lady who showed us round the garage said they were considering putting a bid for E200's. I presume this would see off B6's and B10L's
Quote from: John on January 09, 2014, 08:44:03 PM
Quote from: Stevo on January 09, 2014, 08:42:54 PM
Didn't someone say that garages were being asked to put in bids for new E200s?
Wasn't Walsall putting in a bid for some for the 34/8/9?
Yes iirc it was for the 'Darlaston Corridor although they will likley appear regually on the 69/70/70A etc.
I can see the remaining B6's at WA/WB and WN being withdrawn this year through either new buses or cascades.
I wonder what would replace B6's on the 335/6? Would E200's fit round the 335/6 route
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 08:49:46 PM
I wonder what would replace B6's on the 335/6? Would E200's fit round the 335/6 route
I would think so. They are of a similar size
Quote from: John on January 09, 2014, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 08:49:46 PM
I wonder what would replace B6's on the 335/6? Would E200's fit round the 335/6 route
I would think so. They are of a similar size
With 300 buses due i would think all the mercs and B6's would be withdrawn. If another batch of E400's are ordered (I would think a batch for BC for PR and BR) i would think more tridents would be cascaded out to PE (Or possibly PL to replace some mercs or YW for the 6 to shift some omnilinks off the 6 onto the B10L routes inwhich the B10L's at YW could be withdrawn?
I could also saw more tridents going to PE from BC with more mercs being withdrawn from service
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 09, 2014, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 09, 2014, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 08, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
1. Remaining B6LE, B10L & Mercs all need to be replaced
2. 11A & 11C, 45/47, 50, 61/63, 82/87 & 94
3. WB more new vehicles than the promised £3 Million investment, YW hasn't had anything new since 2010 & AG (Either for the Outer Circle or the concentration of Presidents needs to be reduced)
4. None confirmed
I thought there were some new E200s on order for WN?
Not as far as i am aware Stu. I did say if WN did have any new buses it would probably be some E200's to replace B6's and Mercs :)
I might be wrong Nathan, but i thought Tony confirmed the order a little while ago when someone asked him what was on order??
I have confirmed twice in the last couple of weeks - There are currently NO buses on order!
The 50 doesn't need new buses I've wouldn't have thought; the 57 Enviros are still in an excellent condition. Although would be nice to have some new deckers for the 76, 2, 3 etc! If National Express are aiming to get rid of the Volvo B10Ls then I'd like to see a batch of 10 or so new Scanias ordered to replace the B10Ls at YW. Make sense to have a unified fleet at YW of single deckers rather than two.
Having been on some of abellio's 10 reg e200s, I really would seriously look at whether e200s are the way to go. Some of them were so deafening and rattled a lot unlike the other 2 door darts on the 100. So say they are less than 4 years old they sounded massively worse than the 54 reg darts on the same route. I question whether e200s were/are built to last as well as existing dart/pointers?
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 09, 2014, 09:14:39 PM
The 50 doesn't need new buses I've wouldn't have thought; the 57 Enviros are still in an excellent condition. Although would be nice to have some new deckers for the 76, 2, 3 etc! If National Express are aiming to get rid of the Volvo B10Ls then I'd like to see a batch of 10 or so new Scanias ordered to replace the B10Ls at YW. Make sense to have a unified fleet at YW of single deckers rather than two.
The 50 has typically had a new fleet every 4/5 years previously, as the '50' is a high profile route for NXWM and faces competition from both Diamond & TGB, I would have thought that this would be priority over the 2, 12 & 76 at YW. Those routes would be more likely to see cascades from the 50 should that happen.
I'd have thought that NXWM would simply order B8RLE/Wright and either put a complete batch in to YW to replace B10L & cascade out the 22 x Omnilinks to another garage operating the type. Or AG could take B8RLE/Wright & cascade out 9 x Omnilinks to YW to allow the remaining B10L to be withdrawn
True Winston; didn't consider the fact the Enviro 400s on the 50 would cascade onto the 18, 76 etc. Having those would still be a massive improvement on the Tridents! Regarding the YW single deckers YW could just have around 10 extra Enviro 400s (or whatever replaces the E400) to replace the B10Ls. These could be used on the 6 instead of some of the Scanias, which in turn would operate the 27.
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 10, 2014, 04:15:38 PM
True Winston; didn't consider the fact the Enviro 400s on the 50 would cascade onto the 18, 76 etc. Having those would still be a massive improvement on the Tridents! Regarding the YW single deckers YW could just have around 10 extra Enviro 400s (or whatever replaces the E400) to replace the B10Ls. These could be used on the 6 instead of some of the Scanias, which in turn would operate the 27.
That's always an option as well, as the 6 can get pretty wedged with only Omnilinks but then there is the reduction in anti-social behavior to consider by retaining the single deckers. It can't be far off YW's turn now to receive a batch of new deckers or single deckers
Talk of early enviros still coming to pensnett and more tridents and walsalls b7 single deckers coming to pensnett in 2014/5 to get rid of all the mercs
Quote from: Winston on January 08, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
1. Remaining B6LE, B10L & Mercs all need to be replaced
2. 11A & 11C, 45/47, 50, 61/63, 82/87 & 94
3. WB more new vehicles than the promised £3 Million investment, YW hasn't had anything new since 2010 & AG (Either for the Outer Circle or the concentration of Presidents needs to be reduced)
4. None confirmed
I think the 50 are far from another upgrade... Possibly PB services such as 16, or even more so, 101. Granted, they have some Omnicity's on there, occasionally (Yes, including 101, VERY RARE), but I would like to see a change of bus... But in my opinion, I'd prefer to see a change on the 101 than the 16, with more Enviros than the 101, they both practically serve the same route, with usually the same buses (101 generally B7TL operated)
Quote from: clayderman on January 10, 2014, 07:51:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 08, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
1. Remaining B6LE, B10L & Mercs all need to be replaced
2. 11A & 11C, 45/47, 50, 61/63, 82/87 & 94
3. WB more new vehicles than the promised £3 Million investment, YW hasn't had anything new since 2010 & AG (Either for the Outer Circle or the concentration of Presidents needs to be reduced)
4. None confirmed
I think the 50 are far from another upgrade... Possibly PB services such as 16, or even more so, 101. Granted, they have some Omnicity's on there, occasionally (Yes, including 101, VERY RARE), but I would like to see a change of bus... But in my opinion, I'd prefer to see a change on the 101 than the 16, with more Enviros than the 101, they both practically serve the same route, with usually the same buses (101 generally B7TL operated)
The 16 could be a possibilty with two lots of competition on the route from Diamond & GRS, but PB has had it's far share of new double deckers over the last two years. Can't see the 101 getting anything other than newer cascades
Quote from: clayderman on January 10, 2014, 07:51:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 08, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
1. Remaining B6LE, B10L & Mercs all need to be replaced
2. 11A & 11C, 45/47, 50, 61/63, 82/87 & 94
3. WB more new vehicles than the promised £3 Million investment, YW hasn't had anything new since 2010 & AG (Either for the Outer Circle or the concentration of Presidents needs to be reduced)
4. None confirmed
I think the 50 are far from another upgrade... Possibly PB services such as 16, or even more so, 101. Granted, they have some Omnicity's on there, occasionally (Yes, including 101, VERY RARE), but I would like to see a change of bus... But in my opinion, I'd prefer to see a change on the 101 than the 16, with more Enviros than the 101, they both practically serve the same route, with usually the same buses (101 generally B7TL operated)
The 50 isn't in dire need of an upgrade, but as stated earlier, I wouldn't be surprised if it did get upgraded, the benefit from this would be cascades of either Enviros or Tridents to other garages. I can't see the 101 getting upgraded over the 16 or 94, but time will tell.
NXWM news item, dated 14th Jan 2014 about the new buses for the Sutton routes, mentions 300 new buses to come, which we have seen before, but this time says "over the next three years". Is this an error or a change in policy?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 20, 2014, 08:58:36 PM
NXWM news item, dated 14th Jan 2014 about the new buses for the Sutton routes, mentions 300 new buses to come, which we have seen before, but this time says "over the next three years". Is this an error or a change in policy?
It says 2 year agreement on NX group news page, article was dated 4th July 2013
http://nationalexpressgroup.com/media/corporatenews.aspx?newsyear=2013&newsitem=952
I don't think 50 will not be seeing any new soon because there only branded last year
I keep seeing mention of "new buses coming for Sutton routes" it makes it sound like there's more coming to replace the E400s they've just got