As discussed on the 'shortie' National thread. With Tony's permission, i'm uploading my combined fleet list onto this forum. Due to upload size issues, I've had to split it into 6 parts. Download each of the 6 pdf's & you'll have a complete* list of all the buses (& Trolleys / Trams!) since the formation of the p.t.e. back in 1969! Part 1 is attached to this message.
A long-term aim for me is to expand this list to include individual allocation histories for each vehicle. Therefore, if you are looking to dispose of psv circle newssheets for the areas listed below, then i'd be pleased to hear (via pm) from you.
Midland Major Operators 1969-1991
Midlands 1992-2007
Greater London 1994-5, 1998-2000, 2004-7
Northern 1994-6
Eaastern 1994-6
Scotland 1997-2007
* Usual caveat, any corrections for errors/omissions are gratefully received.
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:
Just noticed 3752 was new in 1968 and withdrawn in 1972, anyone know why?
Part 5:
6th & final part:
Brilliant !!
Great job Dave!! Takes me back those fleet lists do. Thanks again!
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 19, 2013, 02:01:37 PM
Just noticed 3752 was new in 1968 and withdrawn in 1972, anyone know why?
It was 3751 but I cannot remember if it was a fire or an accident.
There were a number of early Fleetline withdrawals including 3385 w69, 3417 w72, 3445 w74, 3531 w71 (chassis later used with new body as 5531) and 3533 w72. In all these cases withdrawal followed a fire or accident.
Dave, Also want to say what a great job you have done!
Quote from: busfan2847 on October 20, 2013, 04:41:42 AM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 19, 2013, 02:01:37 PM
Just noticed 3752 was new in 1968 and withdrawn in 1972, anyone know why?
It was 3751 but I cannot remember if it was a fire or an accident.
There were a number of early Fleetline withdrawals including 3385 w69, 3417 w72, 3445 w74, 3531 w71 (chassis later used with new body as 5531) and 3533 w72. In all these cases withdrawal followed a fire or accident.
Dave, Also want to say what a great job you have done!
Through Gardner8LXB's Flickr page - the fate of 3385:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65532931@N05/7162943809/in/faves-23917561@N03/
And from the same source - fire victims 3533:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65532931@N05/6376040447/
..and 3531 (later re-bodied)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65532931@N05/6358336311/
Good on ya Dave for sharing this. This is much appreciated
Best Regards
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 19, 2013, 01:35:42 PM
A long-term aim for me is to expand this list to include individual allocation histories for each vehicle.
I've been contacted by someone off-group who has kindly offered to supply most if not all of the missing news sheets that I require & work has now begun on my long-held wish to compile a new version to include chassis/body numbers & allocation histories. This will be a mammoth job (in the region of 400-500 A4 pages) & I don't expect completion before next year.
I'll be looking at ways of making it available (if anyone's interested) nearer the date, though it's highly unlikely to be a free download due to the size!
Sounds like a massive job! Good luck with getting everything completed.
I'm sure there will be enough of us to contribute to a copy. I have an earlier version of yours that dates to 1997 when 1401-'1500' are in delivery.
Dave - your hard work is appreciated. A fleet list with Crossleys - now you're talking! I remember chasing 2471 and 2505 in their last summer in 1969, out Monday - Friday peaks only. If you've read that Crossleys are slow, you should have been on one bucketing down from Kingstanding on its way back to the depot (PB) at about ten to six...
Is the fleetlist still here, cant seem to access it.
@Bham Central Driver - The file clips are still there/showing, I suspect it is unavailable due to the current ongoing issues with the forum which are affecting attachements / uploads etc, Winston
I can't get it either
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 28, 2016, 05:17:25 PM
I can't get it either
That's a shame, was looking forward to checking some withdrawal dates on there.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on February 28, 2016, 07:32:44 PM
That's a shame, was looking forward to checking some withdrawal dates on there.
I didn't keep copies of the originals, but fear not. As per my 2014 post:
Work has now begun on my long-held wish to compile a new version to include chassis/body numbers & allocation histories. This will be a mammoth job (in the region of 400-500 A4 pages) & I don't expect completion before next year.
I'll be looking at ways of making it available (if anyone's interested) nearer the date, though it's highly unlikely to be a free download due to the size!
Work is slowly ongoing ;) although I don't have anything to show at the mo'
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on February 28, 2016, 09:39:28 PM
I didn't keep copies of the originals, but fear not. As per my 2014 post:
Work has now begun on my long-held wish to compile a new version to include chassis/body numbers & allocation histories. This will be a mammoth job (in the region of 400-500 A4 pages) & I don't expect completion before next year.
I'll be looking at ways of making it available (if anyone's interested) nearer the date, though it's highly unlikely to be a free download due to the size!
Work is slowly ongoing ;) although I don't have anything to show at the mo'
I'm sincerely looking forward to it.
http://www.ukbuses.co.uk/fleet/nxwm.pdf
I think I posted this a while back - (it had some outdated information?) - that had since been modified, and updated from the 20th March, this year. And now even includes the latest addition of 3301.
- Didn't want to start another thread. I guess this one was the most acceptable to put it in.
Quote from: clayderman on April 08, 2016, 10:22:16 PM
http://www.ukbuses.co.uk/fleet/nxwm.pdf
I think I posted this a while back - (it had some outdated information?) - that had since been modified, and updated from the 20th March, this year. And now even includes the latest addition of 3301.
- Didn't want to start another thread. I guess this one was the most acceptable to put it in.
I notice that 4224 is missing for whatever reason ;)
He forget to put the names of 4799-4829, 4876-4883, 4940-4949,
Upon some further inspections, there are a few mistakes. Nevertheless, I just want to point out that this isn't mine, and so I can't edit it. However, it does say in the directory that updates can be submitted to "fleetnews@ukbuses[dot]co[dot]uk"
http://www.ukbuses.co.uk/#Fleet Lists
Quote from: clayderman on April 08, 2016, 10:22:16 PM
- Didn't want to start another thread. I guess this one was the most acceptable to put it in.
Not really. That links to the current fleet list - although it really shouldn't need to be pointed out that Tony's main site (You know, the parent site to this forum) contains a bang up to date illustrated fleet list.
Whereas this thread specifically relates to a MASTER list, i.e. everything since the formation of W.M.P.T.E. in 1969.
>EDIT< A progress report. I'm currently have a 370 A4 page monolith on my hands with a load more work to do. I am looking to upload what I have sometime around the summer, this will (hopefully) be on a standalone forum. I should point out though that I've expanded my original aim of basically an allocation history to encompass virtually anything of interest to a vehicle's history - liveries etc. I don't & won't have all the information, so again it will be down to how much missing info' anyone can be bothered to volunteer as to how complete the list will be.
I'll point out that I have no plan to charge for printouts or profit from this, my primary interest is to make a list as complete and accurate as possible.
Fair play to you Dave, and thanks for all your patient hard work, this will be an invaluable resource - there's quite a few over on a certain Baby Trains site that will find it of considerable interest ;)
'Chard
Hello Dave. This master fleet list is something I would be very interested in seeing, certainly the WMPTE era anyway. How is it progressing? I can appreciate the magnitude of the project.
Quote from: cardew on February 01, 2017, 06:26:53 PM
Hello Dave. This master fleet list is something I would be very interested in seeing, certainly the WMPTE era anyway. How is it progressing? I can appreciate the magnitude of the project.
For a number of reasons, I've taken a 6 month break from the project.
There'll be a further delay before resumption, as further expenses cutting means I'm switching from MS Office to Open Office & all my text/spreadsheet files need to migrate platforms. Unfortunately the new suite doesn't like my page/text layout/formatting, particularly with this file, so I'll need to sort that out before any work resumes.
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on February 22, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
For a number of reasons, I've taken a 6 month break from the project.
There'll be a further delay before resumption, as further expenses cutting means I'm switching from MS Office to Open Office & all my text/spreadsheet files need to migrate platforms. Unfortunately the new suite doesn't like my page/text layout/formatting, particularly with this file, so I'll need to sort that out before any work resumes.
Why don't you just download a Microsoft Office torrent?
Do people actually pay for Office?
Quote from: MW on February 22, 2017, 01:26:18 PM
Why don't you just download a Microsoft Office torrent?
Do people actually pay for Office?
I wouldn't be encouraging people to use illegal software.
I do actually pay for Office thank you, but that was I find it useful and because I got sick of using pirated versions that included hidden malware.
If you can't afford Office, and don't mind losing SOME of the functionality, LibreOffice is a good FREE alternative:
https://www.libreoffice.org/
Quote from: Stu on February 22, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
I wouldn't be encouraging people to use illegal software.
I do actually pay for Office thank you, but that was I find it useful and because I got sick of using pirated versions that included hidden malware.
If you can't afford Office, and don't mind losing SOME of the functionality, LibreOffice is a good FREE alternative:
https://www.libreoffice.org/
Quite. £6ish a month is worth it for my daily use of the full fat MS suite + cloud backup etc. Even a tightar$e like me can see that, but then I don't demand something for nothing. I must make further cutbacks & this luxury is next on the list.
<EDIT> I've no problem with reformatting data, been there before, done that etc. It's just that it does require a time investment to do so.
Each to their own.
I found a YouTube tutorial a few years ago and it gave me the full Microsoft Office 2011 (for Mac). Never had an issue with it.
The rest off them (Open Office etc) are rubbish
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on February 22, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
For a number of reasons, I've taken a 6 month break from the project.
There'll be a further delay before resumption, as further expenses cutting means I'm switching from MS Office to Open Office & all my text/spreadsheet files need to migrate platforms. Unfortunately the new suite doesn't like my page/text layout/formatting, particularly with this file, so I'll need to sort that out before any work resumes.
Cheers for the update and good luck with the re-formatting
Quote from: Stu on February 22, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
I wouldn't be encouraging people to use illegal software.
I do actually pay for Office thank you
Quote
I got sick of using pirated versions that included hidden malware.
So it's not just me or who uses or once used torrents lol
For those who haven't seen it on the WMPTE Buses facebook page, here's a two page sampler from the 435 (at present) page monolith.
Feedback on content / layout welcome.
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on April 05, 2017, 05:59:48 PM
For those who haven't seen it on the WMPTE Buses facebook page, here's a two page sampler from the 435 (at present) page monolith.
Feedback on content / layout welcome.
4029 to 4035 were new with cream roof livery rather than khaki roof livery.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/6337064240/in/photolist-9BuoFZ-m2Ht5M-bD6ooW-aDZ7qh-9Q9vt8
I have extensive notes about liveries in the early years of WMPTE should you require any further information.
Looks great and with much more detail than I had anticipated. My appetite has been whetted
Loving it Dave, if you need it proofing or checking for typos, message me old son!
Looks like a veritable masterpiece. I've often wondered about the allocation histories and ultimate fate of many of the buses that were part of my childhood. Looks like this has the answers.
Gents, thanks for the feedback & encouragement.
Walsall1955, Thanks for the correction & offer of further help. 4778, again thanks for the offer.
As I can finally see completion in the distance (well, autumn-ish ;) ) i'd best reiterate my intentions:
I'm not planning on a printed version, the fact that it would eat up half an A4 ream per copy is too oppressing (in terms of cover price & postage) to contemplate! My preference is to host it as a self contained pdf somewhere else online for download & print by the user at their leisure (copy shops are available for those without illicit access to works photocopiers :D & as per the sampler, the pages are pre formatted to comfortably fit on an A4 sheet with a handed margin for binding etc). I'm not interested in profiting from it, although a small charge per download may be necessary to cover hosting costs etc. As i'm merely a compiler, rather than author, I won't be claiming copyright on the data itself, just in the layout. So, as one person has already asked, you're free to reuse the contents in a different format, such as in a database.
I should also state that there will be inevitable gaps & errors (as you would expect from something that already runs to 2.3m characters!). That is why I intend to release it as an 'as is' draft, so hopefully others can contribute updates/corrections to increase accuracy, which will ALWAYS be welcome, & that's why the offers of assistance mentioned above are gratefully appreciated.
Thanks again, more news as & when!
Thanks for taking the time to do this Dave.