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Title: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: karl724223 on September 17, 2013, 05:29:16 PM
Any word on won tenders yet ( actual tender wins not guesses by some on here)
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: hartshill busman 724210 on September 17, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
They`ve all been on here mate.under registrations somewhere going back a bit.The only late ones were a win for Arriva 229 22 224 i think on emergency tenders.Also starting October.
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Trident 4609 on September 17, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on September 17, 2013, 05:29:16 PM
Any word on won tenders yet ( actual tender wins not guesses by some on here)


Diamond have Won the Evening and Sunday 243 leading me to think the 244/276 will interwork on Sundays
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: winston on September 17, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on September 17, 2013, 05:29:16 PM
Any word on won tenders yet ( actual tender wins not guesses by some on here)

Karl,

Tony listed them all in the WMSNT thread around page 3 or 4
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: domino.99 on September 17, 2013, 07:49:35 PM
so could the 229 become nxwm?
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Tony on September 17, 2013, 07:50:38 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on September 17, 2013, 07:49:35 PM
so could the 229 become nxwm?

Hartshill busman has only posted three messages up that Arriva have won it!
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on September 17, 2013, 07:53:51 PM
Am surprised that the 22 hasn't been withdrawn, everytime i see it i never see anyone on it
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Ashley 4566 on September 18, 2013, 06:38:29 AM
Its a very long winded route, it does get used at the Wolverhampton end but that can be variable from day to day or even week to week but I cant vouch for the other end. Having Diamond on the 243 will be something different though
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: hartshill busman 724210 on September 18, 2013, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 17, 2013, 07:53:51 PM
Am surprised that the 22 hasn't been withdrawn, everytime i see it i never see anyone on it
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I believe its had a change of route this time,no longer serving Russells Hall Hospital but now going to Oldbury.Personally think Centro should have cut this one  and the 240 which due to low passenger numbers went out on a twelve month contract last year but this time for two years(?)quote]
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: richie on September 18, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 18, 2013, 06:38:29 AM
Its a very long winded route, it does get used at the Wolverhampton end but that can be variable from day to day or even week to week but I cant vouch for the other end. Having Diamond on the 243 will be something different though

They ran it before NX on the evening the general rule was do a trip miss a trip.
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: nitromatt1 on September 18, 2013, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: richie on September 18, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 18, 2013, 06:38:29 AM
Its a very long winded route, it does get used at the Wolverhampton end but that can be variable from day to day or even week to week but I cant vouch for the other end. Having Diamond on the 243 will be something different though

They ran it before NX on the evening the general rule was do a trip miss a trip.

What vehicles did they use?
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on September 18, 2013, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: richie on September 18, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 18, 2013, 06:38:29 AM
Its a very long winded route, it does get used at the Wolverhampton end but that can be variable from day to day or even week to week but I cant vouch for the other end. Having Diamond on the 243 will be something different though

They ran it before NX on the evening the general rule was do a trip miss a trip.

Wasn't that when it ran between Dudley & Cradley Heath?
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: richie on September 18, 2013, 08:20:41 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 18, 2013, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: richie on September 18, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 18, 2013, 06:38:29 AM
Its a very long winded route, it does get used at the Wolverhampton end but that can be variable from day to day or even week to week but I cant vouch for the other end. Having Diamond on the 243 will be something different though

They ran it before NX on the evening the general rule was do a trip miss a trip.

Wasn't that when it ran between Dudley & Cradley Heath?

Yes TWM ran the 245 then cut and replaced by 243 night tender by diamond same as then TWM 243 timbertree circular.
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: richie on September 18, 2013, 08:23:44 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 18, 2013, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: richie on September 18, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 18, 2013, 06:38:29 AM
Its a very long winded route, it does get used at the Wolverhampton end but that can be variable from day to day or even week to week but I cant vouch for the other end. Having Diamond on the 243 will be something different though

They ran it before NX on the evening the general rule was do a trip miss a trip.

Wasn't that when it ran between Dudley & Cradley Heath?

Yes
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Ashley 4566 on September 18, 2013, 10:29:59 PM
Whatever the Diamond fleet consisted of at the time so im guessing Darts or Merits were used then and may be used this time unless they use Royale Centros which will get a few of those "this is a posh buzz ay it" comments :D
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.
Title: NXWM 27 October 2013 changes
Post by: Ossie on October 01, 2013, 02:02:52 PM
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/27October2013.aspx

71A Sutton - Castle Vale effectively withdrawn, 71 rerouted away from Farnborough Road to go through the centre of Castle Vale, and 71 frequency said to be increasing to 15 minutes (the latter two details from an overheard conversation between two ladies on the 71A this morning).

638 renumbered 38 and re-routed via the Fort, but still just Erdington - Castle Vale.

Points to a reduction in service, therefore, on the 71 corridor between Asda Minworth and Sutton Coldfield ......
Title: Re: NXWM 27 October 2013 changes
Post by: monkeyjoe on October 01, 2013, 02:14:32 PM
Was in here some time ago, the NX director said. The 71 is being made into a 15min service across the whole route, so will be a consistent improvement on that section. Changes at the Solihull end will mean a 7/8 between Solihull and C Wood. I am sure someone else will dig out the detail for you. There is loads including the 90 bein made into the 70 bla bla bla
Title: Re: NXWM 27 October 2013 changes
Post by: John on October 01, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
The 71A is down to 3 schoolday journeys only. It does say from Castle Brom to Castle Vale, so it looks like it will no longer serve Sutton. Wonder if Perry Barr will still run them or they will be took over by Acocks Green
Title: Re: NXWM 27 October 2013 changes
Post by: winston on October 01, 2013, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: John on October 01, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
The 71A is down to 3 schoolday journeys only. It does say from Castle Brom to Castle Vale, so it looks like it will no longer serve Sutton. Wonder if Perry Barr will still run them or they will be took over by Acocks Green

I'm thinking they may be taken over by AG, then the surplus buses from the 71A & frequency reduction on the 638 could transfer to AG for increased frequencies on both the 71 & 72
Title: Re: NXWM 27 October 2013 changes
Post by: Rob H on October 01, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 01, 2013, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: John on October 01, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
The 71A is down to 3 schoolday journeys only. It does say from Castle Brom to Castle Vale, so it looks like it will no longer serve Sutton. Wonder if Perry Barr will still run them or they will be took over by Acocks Green

I'm think they may be taken over by AG, then the surplus buses from the 71A & frequency reduction on the 638 could transfer to AG for increased frequencies on both the 71 & 72

If they do transfer Buses from PB to AG when these changes come into force it'll probably be the Ex Dundee Omnilinks
Title: Re: NXWM 27 October 2013 changes
Post by: Sh4318 on October 01, 2013, 04:25:33 PM
Interesting to see some journeys on tendered routes have been withdrawn due to poor patronage. It seems that the 243 will only be operated by Diamond in the evenings as opposed to evenings and Sundays
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:08:35 PM
noticed Sunday is spelt wrong too on the 966A

and the 997 says Via Kingstanding, although the 997 doesn't run through Kingstanding at All  :-\
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Tony on October 01, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D

We can all make mitakes Central Connect does still exist, check what it says on the operators licenses of buses based at Long Acre
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 07:32:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D

We can all make mitakes Central Connect does still exist, check what it says on the operators licenses of buses based at Long Acre

I meant logo wise,  other than the branded 97's/37's parked at the back of Long Acre I havent seen any other bus with a CC Logo  :) therefore it should say BD
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Tony on October 01, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 07:32:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D

We can all make mitakes Central Connect does still exist, check what it says on the operators licenses of buses based at Long Acre

I meant logo wise,  other than the branded 97's/37's parked at the back of Long Acre I havent seen any other bus with a CC Logo  :) therefore it should say BD

The company Centro deal with is still Central Connect. They hold the operator license. Are you going to tell VOSA they are wrong for putting the registrations under the name Central Connect.

Incidently who is BD you refer to? The trading name of the local Rotala Companies is just Diamond now.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Ashley 4566 on October 01, 2013, 08:00:38 PM
Ill miss the 71A in its current format, best route to get a PB ALX B7 without the masses of riff raff
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 07:32:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D

We can all make mitakes Central Connect does still exist, check what it says on the operators licenses of buses based at Long Acre

I meant logo wise,  other than the branded 97's/37's parked at the back of Long Acre I havent seen any other bus with a CC Logo  :) therefore it should say BD

The company Centro deal with is still Central Connect. They hold the operator license. Are you going to tell VOSA they are wrong for putting the registrations under the name Central Connect.

Incidently who is BD you refer to? The trading name of the local Rotala Companies is just Diamond now.

I see what your saying but most EX Central Connect buses are under Blue Diamond, anyways you win the debat/arguement as Im too tired  :)
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
Am quite surprised they are keeping the 240 going, cancelling a couple of journeys because of low patronage, if you go on that rule, 99% should be cancelled.

The only part of the route that possibly need looking at if it were withdrawn would be between Lye Cross and Grange Road, but that could be covered by a diversion on the 298/9.
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: Lukeee on October 01, 2013, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 07:32:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D

We can all make mitakes Central Connect does still exist, check what it says on the operators licenses of buses based at Long Acre

I meant logo wise,  other than the branded 97's/37's parked at the back of Long Acre I havent seen any other bus with a CC Logo  :) therefore it should say BD

Pretty sure the Signature Citaros still carry the Connect logo
Title: Re: October tenders
Post by: John on October 01, 2013, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on October 01, 2013, 10:25:52 PM
Pretty sure the Signature Citaros still carry the Connect logo

One does have a Diamond logo, don't remember which, also another only carries the Central Connect swirl part of the logo. and another carries the fill Central Connect Logo
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: s94 on October 01, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
Interesting to see Arriva launch the 310 between Willenhall and Merry Hill. What will be its route?
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: John on October 01, 2013, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 01, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
Interesting to see Arriva launch the 310 between Willenhall and Merry Hill. What will be its route?

327 route from Willenhall to Wednesbury, and 610 route from Wednesbury to Dudley, replacing both of these services. Don't know the route from Dudley to Merry Hill
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Westy on October 01, 2013, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 01, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
Interesting to see Arriva launch the 310 between Willenhall and Merry Hill. What will be its route?

Supposed to be the same as the 327 & 610 between Willenhall & Dudley.

Dunno about the Merry Hill bit.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Liverpool Street on October 02, 2013, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D

We can all make mitakes Central Connect does still exist, check what it says on the operators licenses of buses based at Long Acre

Was that a purpose misspelling, Tony?
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Tony on October 02, 2013, 07:42:12 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 02, 2013, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D

We can all make mitakes Central Connect does still exist, check what it says on the operators licenses of buses based at Long Acre

Was that a purpose misspelling, Tony?

Yes, quoting from the original poster who was complaining about mitakes!
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Liverpool Street on October 02, 2013, 07:46:12 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 02, 2013, 07:42:12 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 02, 2013, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Details of October changes now on Network West Midland website.

noticed a mitake with the 647

Diamond never ran the 647 it was Midland, it also says New operator Central Connect. Central connect dont exist nomore its Blue Diamond  ;D

We can all make mitakes Central Connect does still exist, check what it says on the operators licenses of buses based at Long Acre

Was that a purpose misspelling, Tony?

Yes, quoting from the original poster who was complaining about mitakes!

Yeah, just got it.

Indeed we all make mitakes...

And also these changes I have zero interest in.
Title: Re: NXWM 27 October 2013 changes
Post by: mistertee on October 03, 2013, 08:31:23 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 01, 2013, 02:14:32 PM
Was in here some time ago, the NX director said. The 71 is being made into a 15min service across the whole route, so will be a consistent improvement on that section. Changes at the Solihull end will mean a 7/8 between Solihull and C Wood. I am sure someone else will dig out the detail for you. There is loads including the 90 bein made into the 70 bla bla bla

The list says Castle Bromwich to Castle Vale, but no change to route - both of which can't be correct. The NX director did mention no change to the route for the remaining 71A's, and I think Castle Bromwich has crept in before in error, so would say the 71A route stays as it is.

Mr Mathieson listed the advantages of the forthcoming changes, but omitted mention of the cutbacks to the service level between Castle Vale and Sutton, which are worse than they first appear due to the unreliability of the 71, and the loss of double-deckers from the route. Only yesterday I passed an empty bus going down Walmley Ash Road, out of service, at 17:30 - no doubt a peak-hour 71 not being run.

He also ducked the question of what is supposed to be being done to improve the reliability of the 71, so we can only guess at this stage. However, the severity and variability of the traffic problems on the route mean that running a regular service to time is nigh-on impossible without excessive dead mileage and/or layover allowances. Added to this, the location of the depot means that getting the service back from disruption often means cutting service at either or both ends.

Because of these things, I think the decision not to retain at least a few 71A's in the afternoon peak is a real stinker. The shorter route has its hold-ups, but at least it doesn't import all the delays that the full 71 does, and the ability to use double-deckers would help when things go astray. Granted, it won't take everybody where they want to go, but it would cater for the majority.

Last time the 71 went to a 15-minute (when on time) frequency, it was quickly deemed unacceptable by the East Birmingham Bus Review. It may be that all the messing about in the last few years has shaken off all but the most determined passengers at the Sutton end, so things might work out OK this time, but I for one wouldn't chance a 71 if I could help it.

Note that, with regard to vehicle numbers, there are reductions on the 72 as well as increases in the 71 and (presumably) 72E.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Kevin on October 03, 2013, 09:52:13 PM
I share your worries there, the only thing I would add is "bring back the 68a/c"
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Ossie on October 03, 2013, 10:39:00 PM
Mistertee has hit the nail on the head.  It's not unknown to see two 71's following each other nose-to-tail at the Sutton end  ;D.

What is now a reasonably on-time 10 minute service between Castle Vale and Sutton (thanks to the 71A) has the potential to become a pretty unreliable 15 minute service.

And the 71's are pretty full, most of the day - not unusual for standing passengers out of Sutton, even during the daytime ...... 

I know you can't please all the people all the time, but it's not a great move by NXWM.  I trust they'll monitor the route after the changes.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Rob H on October 18, 2013, 03:32:15 PM
The flags have been updated between Solihull and Sheldon from what I seen today and they all have 70 on them :)
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: lynx1103 on October 18, 2013, 07:10:47 PM
Another option would be to extend the new 38 (old 638) to Sutton via 71A route to enanble double deck on this service

Would provide the old 68 link Erdington-Fort Shopping park-Castle Vale-Sutton
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Kevin on October 18, 2013, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 18, 2013, 07:10:47 PM
Another option would be to extend the new 38 (old 638) to Sutton via 71A route to enanble double deck on this service

Would provide the old 68 link Erdington-Fort Shopping park-Castle Vale-Sutton

That seems to make too much sense, and so unlikely to happen
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: :D on October 18, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
Is it me or is it WMSNT has been hogging up all tenders lately? Seeing WMSNT is a government owned company, I'd guess it is probably good thing.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: :D on October 18, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
Is it me or is it WMSNT has been hogging up all tenders lately? Seeing WMSNT is a government owned company, I'd guess it is probably good thing.

WMSNT is not government owned!
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: :D on October 18, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 18, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: :D on October 18, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
Is it me or is it WMSNT has been hogging up all tenders lately? Seeing WMSNT is a government owned company, I'd guess it is probably good thing.

WMSNT is not government owned!
Oops, I've made a mistake :/ It is owned by a charity. How do Centro tenders work? Is it basically whoever bids highest gets the tender?
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: winston on October 18, 2013, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: :D on October 18, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 18, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: :D on October 18, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
Is it me or is it WMSNT has been hogging up all tenders lately? Seeing WMSNT is a government owned company, I'd guess it is probably good thing.

WMSNT is not government owned!
Oops, I've made a mistake :/ It is owned by a charity. How do Centro tenders work? Is it basically whoever bids highest gets the tender?

I' d have thought it would be more likely to go to the lowest bidder.........
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: JB93 on October 19, 2013, 04:10:54 AM
Quote from: Ossie on October 03, 2013, 10:39:00 PM
Mistertee has hit the nail on the head.  It's not unknown to see two 71's following each other nose-to-tail at the Sutton end  ;D.

What is now a reasonably on-time 10 minute service between Castle Vale and Sutton (thanks to the 71A) has the potential to become a pretty unreliable 15 minute service.

And the 71's are pretty full, most of the day - not unusual for standing passengers out of Sutton, even during the daytime ...... 

I know you can't please all the people all the time, but it's not a great move by NXWM.  I trust they'll monitor the route after the changes.

The 71 is full pretty much the whole way. It's ridiculously packed coming out of Solihull most of the time, which is why that low bridge in Minworth is a real bother because the 71/72 could really do with double deckers. Hopefully the 70 using double deckers will help the situation though. By the way, refresh my memory, when is it these changes with the 70 and 38 etc. come into effect?
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Kevin on October 19, 2013, 07:13:10 AM
Quote from: JB93 on October 19, 2013, 04:10:54 AM
. By the way, refresh my memory, when is it these changes with the 70 and 38 etc. come into effect?

Erm...... Read the title of the thread?
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Roy on October 19, 2013, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: Westy on October 01, 2013, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 01, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
Interesting to see Arriva launch the 310 between Willenhall and Merry Hill. What will be its route?

Supposed to be the same as the 327 & 610 between Willenhall & Dudley.

Dunno about the Merry Hill bit.

The Arriva Midlands website shows the route from Dudley as being the 246 route to Brierley Hill then via Mill Street and The Boulevard to Merry Hill.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Ashley 4566 on October 21, 2013, 10:14:36 PM
This 310 service on face value sounds interesting, definately a new link to Merry Hill from Willenhall and Wednesbury without having to change buses
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: sonic84 on October 21, 2013, 10:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roy on October 19, 2013, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: Westy on October 01, 2013, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 01, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
Interesting to see Arriva launch the 310 between Willenhall and Merry Hill. What will be its route?

Supposed to be the same as the 327 & 610 between Willenhall & Dudley.

Dunno about the Merry Hill bit.

Is this not the route which the original 310 run by BCC / Diamond between Merry Hill and Walsall used to take running to Dudley?
The Arriva Midlands website shows the route from Dudley as being the 246 route to Brierley Hill then via Mill Street and The Boulevard to Merry Hill.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: winston on October 21, 2013, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on October 21, 2013, 10:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roy on October 19, 2013, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: Westy on October 01, 2013, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 01, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
Interesting to see Arriva launch the 310 between Willenhall and Merry Hill. What will be its route?

Supposed to be the same as the 327 & 610 between Willenhall & Dudley.

Dunno about the Merry Hill bit.

Is this not the route which the original 310 run by BCC / Diamond between Merry Hill and Walsall used to take running to Dudley?
The Arriva Midlands website shows the route from Dudley as being the 246 route to Brierley Hill then via Mill Street and The Boulevard to Merry Hill.

I think it is
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on October 25, 2013, 04:44:29 PM
Interestingly, it seems that only the final two journey's between Dudley & Merry Hill (and vice versa) on weekdays on the 243, plus evening Sunday journey's will be operated by Diamond. Otherwise it will still be National Express.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: nitromatt1 on October 25, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 25, 2013, 04:44:29 PM
Interestingly, it seems that only the final two journey's between Dudley & Merry Hill (and vice versa) on weekdays on the 243, plus evening Sunday journey's will be operated by Diamond. Otherwise it will still be National Express.

Yes, I did already post this in another thread. I've just realised how close we are to these changes now though!
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: mikestone on October 28, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Not sure NWM did either! The only new TT at Wolverhampton was for the 18 and that was in the rack with Arriva';s photocopies.
Walsall did at least seem to have attempted to remove the dead ones.
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Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Roy on October 28, 2013, 08:17:26 PM
Dudley also removed out of date timetables, which meant a lot of empty spaces.  The only new ones they had were all WB routes - 41, 44 and 54/54A/55.

Wolverhampton were still displaying timetables for service 22 to Russells Hall Hospital  !

Quite frankly, Network West Midlands are a disgrace when it comes to providing new timetables on time.  I was in Bristol last Saturday and all the new timetables for service changes that take place next Sunday were available at Bristol Bus Station.  In the Midlands, if we're lucky, we may see all the new timetable leaflets by the end of November.     
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Stu on October 28, 2013, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: Roy on October 28, 2013, 08:17:26 PM
Dudley also removed out of date timetables, which meant a lot of empty spaces.  The only new ones they had were all WB routes - 41, 44 and 54/54A/55.

Wolverhampton were still displaying timetables for service 22 to Russells Hall Hospital  !

Quite frankly, Network West Midlands are a disgrace when it comes to providing new timetables on time.  I was in Bristol last Saturday and all the new timetables for service changes that take place next Sunday were available at Bristol Bus Station.  In the Midlands, if we're lucky, we may see all the new timetable leaflets by the end of November.   

With the amount of timetable information that is readily available online, is there still much of a demand for printed timetable leaflets?

Granted, not everybody has access to the internet and a home printer they can use to download and view or even print off PDF timetables, but still the printed timetable that can be picked up from a travelshop seems like a relic from the past nowadays!
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
Quote from: Roy on October 28, 2013, 08:17:26 PM
Dudley also removed out of date timetables, which meant a lot of empty spaces.  The only new ones they had were all WB routes - 41, 44 and 54/54A/55.

Wolverhampton were still displaying timetables for service 22 to Russells Hall Hospital  !

Quite frankly, Network West Midlands are a disgrace when it comes to providing new timetables on time.  I was in Bristol last Saturday and all the new timetables for service changes that take place next Sunday were available at Bristol Bus Station.  In the Midlands, if we're lucky, we may see all the new timetable leaflets by the end of November.   

There were many out of date timetables displayed in Dudley Bus Station today.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: domino.99 on October 28, 2013, 08:52:22 PM
Has anyone got a picture of the new 22 or 310??
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Sh4318 on October 28, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
Anyone know how the X26 and 310 did on their first day?
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 28, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
Anyone know how the X26 and 310 did on their first day?

Didn't notice any issues, the buses I saw were all on time, branded buses on the 310. The X26 interworks with the 226 at Dudley if it hasn't already been stated.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Sh4318 on October 28, 2013, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 28, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
Anyone know how the X26 and 310 did on their first day?

Didn't notice any issues, the buses I saw were all on time, branded buses on the 310. The X26 interworks with the 226 at Dudley if it hasn't already been stated.

What about the passenger loadings? I presume both routes were fairly quiet given the fact they've just been introduced
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: John on October 28, 2013, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 28, 2013, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 28, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
Anyone know how the X26 and 310 did on their first day?

Didn't notice any issues, the buses I saw were all on time, branded buses on the 310. The X26 interworks with the 226 at Dudley if it hasn't already been stated.

What about the passenger loadings? I presume both routes were fairly quiet given the fact they've just been introduced

The 310 will have the passengers that used the 610
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: andrew1991 on October 28, 2013, 09:50:08 PM
the X26 had quite a few pensioners and a mother with a pushchair get on while I was waiting for the X96 in Dudley earlier
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: the trainbasher on October 28, 2013, 10:06:28 PM
I was on the first and last X26 ex Merry Hill and last 310 ex Merry Hill.

0659 X26 me plus 2 passengers
1729 X26 me plus 0 passengers
1940 310 me plus 0 passengers
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Westy on October 28, 2013, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: mikestone on October 28, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Not sure NWM did either! The only new TT at Wolverhampton was for the 18 and that was in the rack with Arriva';s photocopies.
Walsall did at least seem to have attempted to remove the dead ones.
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All I found for Walsall on Saturday was the new 10 & 310 timetables. Nothing else new was there.

Even Arriva didn't reissue their Walsall Bus Guide either.

Will have to check later in the week.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: mikestone on October 29, 2013, 01:04:05 PM
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/27October2013.aspx
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still doesn't mention the 22.
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On the subject of printing your own, it doesn't seem possible to print the ones on Arriva's website without getting  tables split half way down. I've tried copying them into Word, but that loses the formatting.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: John on October 29, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
Timetables for the 70/71/72 now in at Walsall travel shop. Still no 22

For the people that are wondering if Perry Barr run some journeys on the 70, there are 2 school journeys in the afternoon from Park Hall School, one terminates at Fox & Goose, and the other goes into Birmingham, arriving at 3.43pm. Maybe one of these are ran by Perry Barr. The leaflet only states Birmingham Central as running the 70 though
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: uniquicity on October 29, 2013, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: mikestone on October 29, 2013, 01:04:05 PM
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/27October2013.aspx
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still doesn't mention the 22.
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On the subject of printing your own, it doesn't seem possible to print the ones on Arriva's website without getting  tables split half way down. I've tried copying them into Word, but that loses the formatting.

The 22 change is mentioned here - http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Bus/subsidised_services.aspx
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: mikestone on October 29, 2013, 07:49:04 PM
Yes - I came across it there, but the other link seemed to me the "obvious" one.
Title: Re: 27th OCT tenders/changes
Post by: Westy on October 29, 2013, 07:56:41 PM
Update on Walsall services.

8/8a/89 available.

6/7/7a/35/35a/35b/x35 available.

56/934/935/935a/936/997 was available,  but I had the last one tonight.

Still no 19 in any format (29 also unavailable as it's also on the same leaflet as the 19!)