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West Midlands Buses in Discussion => National Express West Midlands => Topic started by: monkeyjoe on July 15, 2013, 03:17:23 PM

Title: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: monkeyjoe on July 15, 2013, 03:17:23 PM
I am aware these things can happen, however to offer a day's free travel (if that is true) is a bit of a mickey take. I wonder if anyone's head will roll for this? Maybe the latter, not the best choice of phrase's, oops.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on July 15, 2013, 04:07:38 PM
? Can you clarify your post at all
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: monkeyjoe on July 15, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on July 15, 2013, 04:07:38 PM
? Can you clarify your post at all


Silly me, it's the heat forgot the link.


http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/baby-boy-cheats-death-freak-5101025
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: notepanel on July 15, 2013, 05:04:20 PM
I guess it's in reference to this .... http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/baby-boy-cheats-death-freak-5101025

A slightly exaggerated headline I believe, and just shows all that is wrong with this country.

I hope NXWM didn't just offer a free days travel, but I hardly think it's worth pages in the newspaper. The slightest thing has to happen now and immediately people see the £ signs. Yes it shouldn't have happened, but we live in the real world and sometimes things will go wrong.

Possibly it's because of some things I see/deal with on a day to day basis, but I'm always a bit cynical when people are complaining about things like this. For a start, I imagine the extinguisher didn't just fall randomly, but was probably the result of the bus hitting a pothole/going over a speed bump/interference by an earlier passenger.

Most extinguishers (I believe - don't know if anyone can clarify) are within a glass container, yet there's no mention of the falling glass.

There's also other parts of the article which make me have doubts such as - 'It hit the baby in the pushchair on the forehead, but after this she had to prevent it hitting her other child' and 'The extinguisher hit the child on the forehead - yet in addition to the wounds on his head & legs, he has bruises on his back.'. If the extinguisher hit the child on head and then the legs I fail to see how her other child was at any point at risk as she states, and how this has caused bruising on his back.

I also dislike the part where the lady claims the reason for being so insulted about being offered the free daysaver, is that 'they tried to get her back on a bus, when obviously it's not safe', yet she continued her journey by bus on the day it happened.

Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: monkeyjoe on July 15, 2013, 05:26:06 PM
I don't believe the days free travel part.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Dylan4579 on July 15, 2013, 05:26:54 PM
1 DAY!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: nitromatt1 on July 15, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
As if she's going to want to go on the bus again any time soon after what happened
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Andrew1991 on July 15, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 15, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
As if she's going to want to go on the bus again any time soon after what happened

she went on one straight after it happened apparently. :/

i'm just trying to work out how it hit his head and he sustained a bruise to his back ?
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: nitromatt1 on July 15, 2013, 05:44:24 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 15, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 15, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
As if she's going to want to go on the bus again any time soon after what happened

she went on one straight after it happened apparently. :/

i'm just trying to work out how it hit his head and he sustained a bruise to his back ?

Perhaps he was sitting forward at the time and it pushed him back hard against his pram
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Andrew1991 on July 15, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 15, 2013, 05:44:24 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 15, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 15, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
As if she's going to want to go on the bus again any time soon after what happened

she went on one straight after it happened apparently. :/

i'm just trying to work out how it hit his head and he sustained a bruise to his back ?

Perhaps he was sitting forward at the time and it pushed him back hard against his pram

possibly
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: fleetline6477 on July 15, 2013, 06:09:30 PM
I fail to understand how if as the article claims a 1 year old boy whose skull has not yet fused properly was hit on the head by a heavy fire extinguisher which had fallen 6ft why the Paramedics didn't insist on taking him to Casualty to be checked out. Head injuries on young children are seen as a major priority. Surely, for their own protection as well as the well being of a 1 year old child too young to explain how he feels he would have been taken to Casualty.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Dylan4579 on July 15, 2013, 06:27:39 PM
Beacause the woman is milking it and the papers are forever biast towards the bus companies.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Liverpool Street on July 15, 2013, 07:39:58 PM
Give them a £1.70. Its valid on the Bristol Road for a minimum of 3 years. - Includes all your family, friends and random strangers you wait with at bus stops.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Mike K on July 15, 2013, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 15, 2013, 07:39:58 PM
Give them a £1.70. Its valid on the Bristol Road for a minimum of 3 years. - Includes all your family, friends and random strangers you wait with at bus stops.

LOL  ;D ;D nice one.

There are a few other routes in Birmingham where I bet these are valid too.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Lukeee on July 15, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Correct me if im wrong but I thought the extinguishers weren't kept 6ft high I always thought they were lower to the ground.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Andrew1991 on July 15, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on July 15, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Correct me if im wrong but I thought the extinguishers weren't kept 6ft high I always thought they were lower to the ground.

well I thought on deckers they were fitted under the stairs
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Liverpool Street on July 15, 2013, 10:06:00 PM
They're probably talking about the break glass hammers of which are fitted above the windows? It and its casing probably came loose. You know the press and its hyperbole.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Tony on July 15, 2013, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 15, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on July 15, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Correct me if im wrong but I thought the extinguishers weren't kept 6ft high I always thought they were lower to the ground.

well I thought on deckers they were fitted under the stairs

I cannot think of an extinguisher or hammer 6ft high on a President or Gemini which is what it is likely to be on the Outer Circle. I am 6ft tall and there is nothing above my head!
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Liverpool Street on July 15, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 15, 2013, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 15, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on July 15, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Correct me if im wrong but I thought the extinguishers weren't kept 6ft high I always thought they were lower to the ground.

well I thought on deckers they were fitted under the stairs

I cannot think of an extinguisher or hammer 6ft high on a President or Gemini which is what it is likely to be on the Outer Circle. I am 6ft tall and there is nothing above my head!

You're right, they're is only space for advertising. Nothing more.

I think this story is total codswallop.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Kevin on July 15, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
Just read the story and realised why I normally wouldn't bother, I just end up getting annoyed with people. I know the press have a habit of exaggeration but even then I find parts of this story ludicrous. And this woman is trusted with kids.....
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: 4006 on July 16, 2013, 02:07:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 15, 2013, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 15, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on July 15, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Correct me if im wrong but I thought the extinguishers weren't kept 6ft high I always thought they were lower to the ground.

well I thought on deckers they were fitted under the stairs

I cannot think of an extinguisher or hammer 6ft high on a President or Gemini which is what it is likely to be on the Outer Circle. I am 6ft tall and there is nothing above my head!

Only bus I can think of is B7RLE in the fleet with high level extinguishers
Was the original ticket of the parent checked properly????  ::) ::) ::) ::)
May not have been legitimate to travel in the first place  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Ex BC driver on July 16, 2013, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: 4006 on July 16, 2013, 02:07:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 15, 2013, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 15, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on July 15, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Correct me if im wrong but I thought the extinguishers weren't kept 6ft high I always thought they were lower to the ground.

well I thought on deckers they were fitted under the stairs

I cannot think of an extinguisher or hammer 6ft high on a President or Gemini which is what it is likely to be on the Outer Circle. I am 6ft tall and there is nothing above my head!

Only bus I can think of is B7RLE in the fleet with high level extinguishers
Was the original ticket of the parent checked properly????  ::) ::) ::) ::)
May not have been legitimate to travel in the first place  :o :o :o

Even if it was a B7RLE, the casing on the side blinds which holds the extinguisher would of had to have a dozen screws loose or missing. I read the article and like many people have doubts, something ain't right
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Andrew1991 on July 16, 2013, 03:05:01 PM
i'm thinking someone has pointed out the child had a bruise on his head and she's come out with this excuse and she's been encouraged to sell the story
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: richie on July 16, 2013, 03:06:48 PM
It may refer to a bus fitted with engine fire surpressors. They are on the enviro 400 under the upstairs seat but single decks that have them fitted are in the saloon but generally further back than that.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Stu on July 16, 2013, 06:47:58 PM
I think we've already established that as this 'incident' occurred on the Outer Circle 11, that it would have been either a President or Gemini. (Slightly small chance of it being a Eclipse 2, no chance an Enviro400  ;))
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: richie on July 16, 2013, 07:38:24 PM
Isn't the fire extinguisher on a Gemini above the luggage rack next to he buggy zone? I looked up some pics on Flickr but couldn't find an nxwm shot of that area
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Stu on July 16, 2013, 07:55:58 PM
Quote from: richie on July 16, 2013, 07:38:24 PM
Isn't the fire extinguisher on a Gemini above the luggage rack next to he buggy zone? I looked up some pics on Flickr but couldn't find an nxwm shot of that area

Although I've regularly travelled on a Gemini, I'm struggling to picture the inside of one, but I think you're right in that there might be a fire extinguisher mounted behind a glass screen above the luggage rack. If that's the case, I doubt it would have fell directly onto the buggy area, but would have bounced off the luggage rack (or the box that the Metro newspapers are usually piled in) and onto the child.
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: BU07 LGO on July 16, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23095055@N05/4008766817/

Therre is an extinguisher above the luggage rack
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Liverpool Street on July 17, 2013, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 16, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23095055@N05/4008766817/

Therre is an extinguisher above the luggage rack

Not NXWM spec?
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: BU07 LGO on July 17, 2013, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 17, 2013, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 16, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23095055@N05/4008766817/

Therre is an extinguisher above the luggage rack

Not NXWM spec?

its the same though
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Liverpool Street on July 18, 2013, 09:50:49 PM
Either way, wouldn't really be much of a loss if it was a fatality, feel more sorry for the driver having to fill out a form!
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: richie on July 18, 2013, 10:19:31 PM
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 18, 2013, 09:50:49 PM
Either way, wouldn't really be much of a loss if it was a fatality, feel more sorry for the driver having to fill out a form!

I think that comment was a bit uncalled for! There are a lot of dole dossing scum in society but is that the kids fault ????
Title: Re: Oh dear not the best publicity
Post by: Liverpool Street on July 18, 2013, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: richie on July 18, 2013, 10:19:31 PM
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 18, 2013, 09:50:49 PM
Either way, wouldn't really be much of a loss if it was a fatality, feel more sorry for the driver having to fill out a form!

I think that comment was a bit uncalled for! There are a lot of dole dossing scum in society but is that the kids fault ????

OK, but we all know he's going to grow up in a high rise shooting up whilst his pathetic excuse for a mother gets drilled by 'Hung Uncle Derek' - of whom then does lines of coke off the windowsill.

The politically correct obsession is proving itself the certain death of this Country. Actually, this world.