http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8774764426/
Looks like it has been made out of Lego bricks!!
Looks funny though
That's deplorable! They should be ashamed of themselves! They've scrapped buses in better nic than that! True about the Lego though!
Saw that in Northfield earlier and it looked terrible, one of YW allover advert Tridents has a similar theme around the front bumper, from my experience YW do tend to be the worst garage for vehicle presentation and yes I know that their Presidents and B10's are getting on a bit but even their Enviro's are quite scruffy, how come PE's newer ones are all going through the refurb process yet YW's remain untouched? Lower profits and thus lower engineering budget perhaps?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 21, 2013, 10:25:46 PM
Saw that in Northfield earlier and it looked terrible, one of YW allover advert Tridents has a similar theme around the front bumper, from my experience YW do tend to be the worst garage for vehicle presentation and yes I know that their Presidents and B10's are getting on a bit but even their Enviro's are quite scruffy, how come PE's newer ones are all going through the refurb process yet YW's remain untouched? Lower profits and thus lower engineering budget perhaps?
That's 4361 ;)
Quote from: Rob4367 on May 21, 2013, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 21, 2013, 10:25:46 PM
Saw that in Northfield earlier and it looked terrible, one of YW allover advert Tridents has a similar theme around the front bumper, from my experience YW do tend to be the worst garage for vehicle presentation and yes I know that their Presidents and B10's are getting on a bit but even their Enviro's are quite scruffy, how come PE's newer ones are all going through the refurb process yet YW's remain untouched? Lower profits and thus lower engineering budget perhaps?
That's 4361 ;)
I don't think 4361 looks too bad, only because you can not see the livery on the side because of the advert.
I despair. Where else in the country could you see this? No shame.
A total disgrace..i was in Edinburgh last week and what a fantastic fleet of buses they have there..There fleet is immaculate, shinny paintwork, clean windows without etching ane despite por wearther because the fleet is maintained with heaters all in working order no misted up windows.. A insperation to all operators, but perhapes for most just to much effort..
Even just getting a can of red spray paint on that front end would be better than the state it's in right now...
So sad that buses look like this, if a contracted operator on Nat Exp work presented a coach like this the fines would be very expesive. No wonder people have no respect for buses when the regions domimant and supposdley top operator see fit to present buses im this way. Wonder if nat ex shareholders care ?
Haha its been like this for about 2 weeks now. Sounds amazing though credit where credit is due shes a good bus, Just a shame they couldnt be arsed to give the front a lick of paint!
I wonder if a vehicle belonging to Joes Travel looking like this would be discribed as a good bus ???..No, i didnt think so. Would a bus looking like this tempt you out of your nice clean car, with clean wimdows and working heating on to 1407 for your journey tl the office ?
When your on a forum used by bus enthusiasts... there's more to a bus being a good bus than just how a bus looks! For the record yes this would actually tempt me more than one of the new B7RLE heaps!
I think it looks nice, new livery maybe ? Bringing red, white & blue back ;)
This is bad enough, but what about the panels that have the fleetname on?
When they get damaged, the replacement is either missing or partially missing the fleetname!
Sure I saw one of Walsall's Gems like that.
I'm going to be fair here ;) . 1407 does look odd and I do agree that presentation could be better, but please consider this. Older buses are harder to maintain due to lack of parts, and yes in an ideal world all panels would match and be the same shade and colour etc. however these buses are never really out of service, some operate 24hrs a day now and the main priority is making sure the bus is in roadworthy condition and safe to be on the road. From my point of view I'd rather have a safe bus with mismatched panels than a bus that's not fit to be on the road.
In an ideal world we'd have a brand new fleet of buses every three years, however this costs a substantial amount and I highly doubt any bus manufacturer could complete such an order on a regular basis.
I'm not having a go at anyone, just offering an alternative point of view 8)
And one final note, it gives us all something to look out for and talk about, so it's win win ;D
Quote from: Driver03 on May 22, 2013, 12:05:53 PM
I'm going to be fair here ;) . 1407 does look odd and I do agree that presentation could be better, but please consider this. Older buses are harder to maintain due to lack of parts, and yes in an ideal world all panels would match and be the same shade and colour etc. however these buses are never really out of service, some operate 24hrs a day now and the main priority is making sure the bus is in roadworthy condition and safe to be on the road. From my point of view I'd rather have a safe bus with mismatched panels than a bus that's not fit to be on the road.
In an ideal world we'd have a brand new fleet of buses every three years, however this costs a substantial amount and I highly doubt any bus manufacturer could complete such an order on a regular basis.
I'm not having a go at anyone, just offering an alternative point of view 8)
And one final note, it gives us all something to look out for and talk about, so it's win win ;D
Sorry I can't agree. Bus enthusiasts need to put their Joe Public hat on every now and then. What hope do we have of attracting a new breed of bus user when this is the image? Image is everything. A passenger doesn''t care that that it is a time served B10L with a nice sounding gearbox, they will just think it is a shed on wheels to be avoided. And it is no defence to say that they are running 24 hours a day. As for a bus being roadworthy and safe, that is a minimum requirement and not an achievement.
There is no defence for a company like NX putting a bus like this on the road. Indeed local management at many other companies would probably be seriously reprimanded for doing so.
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: Driver03 on May 22, 2013, 12:05:53 PM
I'm going to be fair here ;) . 1407 does look odd and I do agree that presentation could be better, but please consider this. Older buses are harder to maintain due to lack of parts, and yes in an ideal world all panels would match and be the same shade and colour etc. however these buses are never really out of service, some operate 24hrs a day now and the main priority is making sure the bus is in roadworthy condition and safe to be on the road. From my point of view I'd rather have a safe bus with mismatched panels than a bus that's not fit to be on the road.
In an ideal world we'd have a brand new fleet of buses every three years, however this costs a substantial amount and I highly doubt any bus manufacturer could complete such an order on a regular basis.
I'm not having a go at anyone, just offering an alternative point of view 8)
And one final note, it gives us all something to look out for and talk about, so it's win win ;D
Sorry I can't agree. Bus enthusiasts need to put their Joe Public hat on every now and then. What hope do we have of attracting a new breed of bus user when this is the image? Image is everything. A passenger doesn''t care that that it is a time served B10L with a nice sounding gearbox, they will just think it is a shed on wheels to be avoided. And it is no defence to say that they are running 24 hours a day. As for a bus being roadworthy and safe, that is a minimum requirement and not an achievement.
There is no defence for a company like NX putting a bus like this on the road. Indeed local management at many other companies would probably be seriously reprimanded for doing so.
I see where you're coming from but as a regular bus user I don't think I've ever heard an everyday passenger comment on the appearance of a bus. I don't think they care as long as the bus is on time, and gets them from A to B. I'm sure when YW get the time they will sort out 1407 but for the time being they obviously need it to maintain the 27.
I also have a picture somewhere of 1412 looking like this, not as bad as 1407. The whole Middle panel is red with one of the headlights.
Quote from: JB93 on May 22, 2013, 03:31:26 PM
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: Driver03 on May 22, 2013, 12:05:53 PM
I'm going to be fair here ;) . 1407 does look odd and I do agree that presentation could be better, but please consider this. Older buses are harder to maintain due to lack of parts, and yes in an ideal world all panels would match and be the same shade and colour etc. however these buses are never really out of service, some operate 24hrs a day now and the main priority is making sure the bus is in roadworthy condition and safe to be on the road. From my point of view I'd rather have a safe bus with mismatched panels than a bus that's not fit to be on the road.
In an ideal world we'd have a brand new fleet of buses every three years, however this costs a substantial amount and I highly doubt any bus manufacturer could complete such an order on a regular basis.
I'm not having a go at anyone, just offering an alternative point of view 8)
And one final note, it gives us all something to look out for and talk about, so it's win win ;D
Sorry I can't agree. Bus enthusiasts need to put their Joe Public hat on every now and then. What hope do we have of attracting a new breed of bus user when this is the image? Image is everything. A passenger doesn''t care that that it is a time served B10L with a nice sounding gearbox, they will just think it is a shed on wheels to be avoided. And it is no defence to say that they are running 24 hours a day. As for a bus being roadworthy and safe, that is a minimum requirement and not an achievement.
There is no defence for a company like NX putting a bus like this on the road. Indeed local management at many other companies would probably be seriously reprimanded for doing so.
I see where you're coming from but as a regular bus user I don't think I've ever heard an everyday passenger comment on the appearance of a bus. I don't think they care as long as the bus is on time, and gets them from A to B. I'm sure when YW get the time they will sort out 1407 but for the time being they obviously need it to maintain the 27.
Yes but it's not the everyday bus passengers we're talking about, it's the people who have never used a bus. People who are already sceptical about the concept only to have their view reinforced by the sight of this.
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I agree with you here. 99% of members of the public couldn't care less how the bus looks, as long as it says where they want to go on the front. For most enthusiasts, the sound, performance, reliability etc of the bus are more important than how it looks!
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I was thinking the same aswell. Although recently when a Spectra/trident and a B5LH turn up together on the 59 a fair few peoe have been waiting for the hybrid bus.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I was thinking the same aswell. Although recently when a Spectra/trident and a B5LH turn up together on the 59 a fair few peoe have been waiting for the hybrid bus.
That could just be a case of going for the emptier one, something I do myself!
It does make me laugh though reading some of these comments, if somebody is pondering switching to public transport be it the car is too expensive or bus is easier, whatever. The first thing they are going to look at is "does the bus get me to where I want to go or will I need to change/will it be a hassle"? Second is going to be "well is the bus going to be cost effective for me"? They arent going to go on the street just to see how the buses are painted and say "NO! :O that bus has odd panels, I'm sticking with my car!" I'm not saying comments might not be made or thinking gosh that bus looks tatty, and I'm not saying that its acceptable for 1407 to look that bad, but really people aren't going to alter their plans just because buses are in service with odd coloured panels. Look at the state some other "independents" buses get let out in, but they still do well!
Not really the hybrid was actually full and the spectra was busy.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 06:04:25 PM
Not really the hybrid was actually full and the spectra was busy.
Well if both buses are just as bad I guess people will go for the "smarter" one...
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I was thinking the same aswell. Although recently when a Spectra/trident and a B5LH turn up together on the 59 a fair few peoe have been waiting for the hybrid bus.
That could just be a case of going for the emptier one, something I do myself!
It does make me laugh though reading some of these comments, if somebody is pondering switching to public transport be it the car is too expensive or bus is easier, whatever. The first thing they are going to look at is "does the bus get me to where I want to go or will I need to change/will it be a hassle"? Second is going to be "well is the bus going to be cost effective for me"? They arent going to go on the street just to see how the buses are painted and say "NO! :O that bus has odd panels, I'm sticking with my car!" I'm not saying comments might not be made or thinking gosh that bus looks tatty, and I'm not saying that its acceptable for 1407 to look that bad, but really people aren't going to alter their plans just because buses are in service with odd coloured panels. Look at the state some other "independents" buses get let out in, but they still do well!
I'm not saying people go and look at how a bus is painted. I am saying that image is a contributing factor, and a very significant one. As you say yourself, the independent operators often look tatty and unkept and consequently don't really attract passengers.
Believe me, things like this do influence people's choices.
And anyway, does the company have no pride? Regardless of any of this, they should not be happy to put junk like that on their services.
I guess so. Most people are still surprised when a 'green bus' turns up on the WN 59. Even to me it still seem strange seeing hybrids along my route.
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I was thinking the same aswell. Although recently when a Spectra/trident and a B5LH turn up together on the 59 a fair few peoe have been waiting for the hybrid bus.
That could just be a case of going for the emptier one, something I do myself!
It does make me laugh though reading some of these comments, if somebody is pondering switching to public transport be it the car is too expensive or bus is easier, whatever. The first thing they are going to look at is "does the bus get me to where I want to go or will I need to change/will it be a hassle"? Second is going to be "well is the bus going to be cost effective for me"? They arent going to go on the street just to see how the buses are painted and say "NO! :O that bus has odd panels, I'm sticking with my car!" I'm not saying comments might not be made or thinking gosh that bus looks tatty, and I'm not saying that its acceptable for 1407 to look that bad, but really people aren't going to alter their plans just because buses are in service with odd coloured panels. Look at the state some other "independents" buses get let out in, but they still do well!
I'm not saying people go and look at how a bus is painted. I am saying that image is a contributing factor, and a very significant one. As you say yourself, the independent operators often look tatty and unkept and consequently don't really attract passengers.
Believe me, things like this do influence people's choices.
Andy anyway, does the company have no pride? Regardless of any of this, they should not be happy to put junk like that on their services.
B10's are not "junk"
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I was thinking the same aswell. Although recently when a Spectra/trident and a B5LH turn up together on the 59 a fair few peoe have been waiting for the hybrid bus.
That could just be a case of going for the emptier one, something I do myself!
It does make me laugh though reading some of these comments, if somebody is pondering switching to public transport be it the car is too expensive or bus is easier, whatever. The first thing they are going to look at is "does the bus get me to where I want to go or will I need to change/will it be a hassle"? Second is going to be "well is the bus going to be cost effective for me"? They arent going to go on the street just to see how the buses are painted and say "NO! :O that bus has odd panels, I'm sticking with my car!" I'm not saying comments might not be made or thinking gosh that bus looks tatty, and I'm not saying that its acceptable for 1407 to look that bad, but really people aren't going to alter their plans just because buses are in service with odd coloured panels. Look at the state some other "independents" buses get let out in, but they still do well!
I'm not saying people go and look at how a bus is painted. I am saying that image is a contributing factor, and a very significant one. As you say yourself, the independent operators often look tatty and unkept and consequently don't really attract passengers.
Believe me, things like this do influence people's choices.
Andy anyway, does the company have no pride? Regardless of any of this, they should not be happy to put junk like that on their services.
That's not true, Joe's Travel's buses look rather old and tatty yet they seem to be doing very well on the 11, the same can be said for Sunny Travel on the 71E too.
I think the companies priority is (and should be) getting a bus out in working order rather than keeping it in for a repaint whilst having to cancel a service.
B10s, junk? That "junk" costs more than any average car!
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I was thinking the same aswell. Although recently when a Spectra/trident and a B5LH turn up together on the 59 a fair few peoe have been waiting for the hybrid bus.
That could just be a case of going for the emptier one, something I do myself!
It does make me laugh though reading some of these comments, if somebody is pondering switching to public transport be it the car is too expensive or bus is easier, whatever. The first thing they are going to look at is "does the bus get me to where I want to go or will I need to change/will it be a hassle"? Second is going to be "well is the bus going to be cost effective for me"? They arent going to go on the street just to see how the buses are painted and say "NO! :O that bus has odd panels, I'm sticking with my car!" I'm not saying comments might not be made or thinking gosh that bus looks tatty, and I'm not saying that its acceptable for 1407 to look that bad, but really people aren't going to alter their plans just because buses are in service with odd coloured panels. Look at the state some other "independents" buses get let out in, but they still do well!
I'm not saying people go and look at how a bus is painted. I am saying that image is a contributing factor, and a very significant one. As you say yourself, the independent operators often look tatty and unkept and consequently don't really attract passengers.
Believe me, things like this do influence people's choices.
Andy anyway, does the company have no pride? Regardless of any of this, they should not be happy to put junk like that on their services.
That's not true, Joe's Travel's buses look rather old and tatty yet they seem to be doing very well on the 11, the same can be said for Sunny Travel on the 71E too.
I think the companies priority is (and should be) getting a bus out in working order rather than keeping it in for a repaint whilst having to cancel a service.
B10s, junk? That "junk" costs more than any average car!
I give up. Sorry, but a 16 year old bus that's been round the block several times (and looks like it has been) in this state operating a key bus route on the streets of the second city for supposedly one of the leading operators in the country is not the future of public transport. It should have been put to pasture a good while ago.
If it was a one off I wouldn't bother to comment but I'm afraid NX has form for this sort of stuff time and time again, it's really sloppy stuff. A company of it's position should be aspiring to innovate and set the standard, not make do and mend just to get a service out. I'm sorry but they should be past that level by now.
Take your rose tinted glasses off, that's all I ask.
With all big bus companies in major areas there are pockets of vehicles that are from the same era as our Liberators, for example R reg Renowns with first south yorkshire. As for 1407 sound bus, the paintwork issue does happen from time to time but there's some sort of character in it. As for the travelling public they just want a bus that gets them from A to B, is clean, punctual and warm in winter, buses of this age don't meet that last one as much but were talking about routes like the 27, a route doesn't really go anywhere and definately doesn't get anybody to an office
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 06:31:02 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I was thinking the same aswell. Although recently when a Spectra/trident and a B5LH turn up together on the 59 a fair few peoe have been waiting for the hybrid bus.
That could just be a case of going for the emptier one, something I do myself!
It does make me laugh though reading some of these comments, if somebody is pondering switching to public transport be it the car is too expensive or bus is easier, whatever. The first thing they are going to look at is "does the bus get me to where I want to go or will I need to change/will it be a hassle"? Second is going to be "well is the bus going to be cost effective for me"? They arent going to go on the street just to see how the buses are painted and say "NO! :O that bus has odd panels, I'm sticking with my car!" I'm not saying comments might not be made or thinking gosh that bus looks tatty, and I'm not saying that its acceptable for 1407 to look that bad, but really people aren't going to alter their plans just because buses are in service with odd coloured panels. Look at the state some other "independents" buses get let out in, but they still do well!
I'm not saying people go and look at how a bus is painted. I am saying that image is a contributing factor, and a very significant one. As you say yourself, the independent operators often look tatty and unkept and consequently don't really attract passengers.
Believe me, things like this do influence people's choices.
Andy anyway, does the company have no pride? Regardless of any of this, they should not be happy to put junk like that on their services.
That's not true, Joe's Travel's buses look rather old and tatty yet they seem to be doing very well on the 11, the same can be said for Sunny Travel on the 71E too.
I think the companies priority is (and should be) getting a bus out in working order rather than keeping it in for a repaint whilst having to cancel a service.
B10s, junk? That "junk" costs more than any average car!
I give up. Sorry, but a 16 year old bus that's been round the block several times (and looks like it has been) in this state operating a key bus route on the streets of the second city for supposedly one of the leading operators in the country is not the future of public transport. It should have been put to pasture a good while ago.
If it was a one off I wouldn't bother to comment but I'm afraid NX has form for this sort of stuff time and time again, it's really sloppy stuff. A company of it's position should be aspiring to innovate and set the standard, not make do and mend just to get a service out. I'm sorry but they should be past that level by now.
Take your rose tinted glasses off, that's all I ask.
So what should we do then replace every bus as soon as it reaches 2 years old and double the fares overnight? Because that would really work! All of the big companies still have step entrance buses older than 1407 in service, it is standard practice to generally let a bus live its life before scrapping it!
If it had been on the 50 or 6 then I would agree with what you're saying but the 27, a key route? and you think my glasses are tinted...
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 06:31:02 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 22, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
I think the cost of bus travel would be more of an issue to newcomers than a simple matter of how a bus is painted!
I was thinking the same aswell. Although recently when a Spectra/trident and a B5LH turn up together on the 59 a fair few peoe have been waiting for the hybrid bus.
That could just be a case of going for the emptier one, something I do myself!
It does make me laugh though reading some of these comments, if somebody is pondering switching to public transport be it the car is too expensive or bus is easier, whatever. The first thing they are going to look at is "does the bus get me to where I want to go or will I need to change/will it be a hassle"? Second is going to be "well is the bus going to be cost effective for me"? They arent going to go on the street just to see how the buses are painted and say "NO! :O that bus has odd panels, I'm sticking with my car!" I'm not saying comments might not be made or thinking gosh that bus looks tatty, and I'm not saying that its acceptable for 1407 to look that bad, but really people aren't going to alter their plans just because buses are in service with odd coloured panels. Look at the state some other "independents" buses get let out in, but they still do well!
I'm not saying people go and look at how a bus is painted. I am saying that image is a contributing factor, and a very significant one. As you say yourself, the independent operators often look tatty and unkept and consequently don't really attract passengers.
Believe me, things like this do influence people's choices.
Andy anyway, does the company have no pride? Regardless of any of this, they should not be happy to put junk like that on their services.
That's not true, Joe's Travel's buses look rather old and tatty yet they seem to be doing very well on the 11, the same can be said for Sunny Travel on the 71E too.
I think the companies priority is (and should be) getting a bus out in working order rather than keeping it in for a repaint whilst having to cancel a service.
B10s, junk? That "junk" costs more than any average car!
I give up. Sorry, but a 16 year old bus that's been round the block several times (and looks like it has been) in this state operating a key bus route on the streets of the second city for supposedly one of the leading operators in the country is not the future of public transport. It should have been put to pasture a good while ago.
If it was a one off I wouldn't bother to comment but I'm afraid NX has form for this sort of stuff time and time again, it's really sloppy stuff. A company of it's position should be aspiring to innovate and set the standard, not make do and mend just to get a service out. I'm sorry but they should be past that level by now.
Take your rose tinted glasses off, that's all I ask.
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I think I agree!
GRS travel have R reg buses too and the 16 journeys are quite but even sometimes fully loaded too! (the fare they offer too is a good attractor to them)
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 22, 2013, 06:36:09 PM
With all big bus companies in major areas there are pockets of vehicles that are from the same era as our Liberators, for example R reg Renowns with first south yorkshire. As for 1407 sound bus, the paintwork issue does happen from time to time but there's some sort of character in it. As for the travelling public they just want a bus that gets them from A to B, is clean, punctual and warm in winter, buses of this age don't meet that last one as much but were talking about routes like the 27, a route doesn't really go anywhere and definately doesn't get anybody to an office
Sorry guys but you are really clutching at straws here....character??!! What does it matter if someone is going to an office or to a shop or wherever? I'm talking about progress here.....
If it was any other operator they would get hell on here, but we all know that NX could put any old tat on the road as long as it was a vehicle with some posterity and nostalgia, like for instance running 25 year old rotboxes around for many more years than they should have but that was ok because they were Metrobuses and were full of charm, posterity and character etc etc....
I can't get my point across so I'll bow out gracefully.
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 06:45:45 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 22, 2013, 06:36:09 PM
With all big bus companies in major areas there are pockets of vehicles that are from the same era as our Liberators, for example R reg Renowns with first south yorkshire. As for 1407 sound bus, the paintwork issue does happen from time to time but there's some sort of character in it. As for the travelling public they just want a bus that gets them from A to B, is clean, punctual and warm in winter, buses of this age don't meet that last one as much but were talking about routes like the 27, a route doesn't really go anywhere and definately doesn't get anybody to an office
Sorry guys but you are really clutching at straws here....character??!! What does it matter if someone is going to an office or to a shop or wherever? I'm talking about progress here.....
If it was any other operator they would get hell on here, but we all know that NX could put any old tat on the road as long as it was a vehicle with some posterity and nostalgia, like for instance running 25 year old rotboxes around for many more years than they should have but that was ok because they were Metrobuses and were full of charm, posterity and character etc etc....
I can't get my point across so I'll bow out gracefully.
When First still have G reg Olympians in service, you can hardly call a B10L old(in comparison)...
Its not clutching at straws, its called being realistic.
B10's are junk, and first should not have Olympians in service anyway so pointless
Would 1407 tempt u from your nice car on to public transport ? If thats the exterior standars god help the interior.... so bucause first group have G reg olympians then we can all lower our standards... lets hope operators like Johnsons and Parrys dont copy Thandi ????.
Quote from: andyr on May 22, 2013, 07:26:49 PM
Would 1407 tempt u from your nice car on to public transport ? If thats the exterior standars god help the interior.... so bucause first group have G reg olympians then we can all lower our standards... lets hope operators like Johnsons and Parrys dont copy Thandi ????.
Would having to pay £7 for a daysaver to keep replacing the fleet every 5 years tempt someone from their car?
Please don't make me laugh by bringing Johnsons into this, Out of their solos in use, Two have 0 transfers on them, no logos, no fleetnames, nothing (been out like this since last years olympics!) and one in nothing but plain white, yeah a highly professional looking image that is in no way worse than a few miscoloured panels!
Who says First are unique? Have you taken a look at Stagecoach's fleet lately or Arriva? The biggest operators in the country and All still have a high number of step entrance vehicles in daily use. In Contrast NXWM's fleet is fairly modern!
(hmmm Id love to know the ip address for andyr's and andy's accounts!)
Quote from: dgss1 on May 22, 2013, 07:14:46 PM
B10's are junk, and first should not have Olympians in service anyway so pointless
Just like this comment!
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 22, 2013, 06:36:09 PM
As for the travelling public they just want a bus that gets them from A to B, is clean, punctual and warm in winter, buses of this age don't meet that last one as much but were talking about routes like the 27, a route doesn't really go anywhere and definately doesn't get anybody to an office
Apart from of course office workers at probably Birmingham's most famous employer Cadbury's
Shall we make a separate thread for arguments...
Are "andy" and "andyr" the same person? Both are spouting continuous nonsense
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
Are "andy" and "andyr" the same person? Both are spouting continuous nonsense
Blatently!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
Are "andy" and "andyr" the same person? Both are spouting continuous nonsense
Please take your silly conspiracy theories and personal attacks back to the playground where you and they belong and leave the discussion to the adults.
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 08:31:25 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
Are "andy" and "andyr" the same person? Both are spouting continuous nonsense
Please take your silly conspiracy theories and personal attacks back to the playground where you and they belong and leave the discussion to the adults.
Point proven
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
Are "andy" and "andyr" the same person? Both are spouting continuous nonsense
Not that I can tell. I know Andyr, where he works etc. Andy info appears to be completely different, certainly not posting from the same IP
At the end of the day, the current appearance of 1407 is not typical of the whole fleet, neither is it very common to see buses with unpainted bare aluminium panels these days, 1407 may have had to be pressed back in to service at short notice, but after two weeks, it should really have had the front painted by now. B10L's aren't junk either, they are good quality first generation low floor buses, at 17 years old they still look fairly modern and haven't required the heavy refurb's / re-builds that Metrobuses had to keep them in service. Although now at 17 years old, they now form only a small percentage of the total NX UK bus fleet and look highly likely to be replaced within the next 12 months.
I agree that fleet presentation should be higher priority, and NX are now investing heavily in both new buses and refreshing the existing fleet both internally / externally, but unfortunately due to a number of years of under investment in new buses and neglecting to refurb much of the existing double deck fleet for so long, with a fleet of circa 1650 buses (inc NX Dundee) its going to take time to bring the whole fleet up to scratch. They can't all be dealt with over a 12 month period, neither can buses be replaced every few years like certain Cheslyn Hay based coach tour operators does with its fleet, even that policy is exception to the rule amongst the majority of coach operators. None of the other big bus groups have 100% low floor fleets, Lothian is a high quality well run bus operation, but again is the exception rather than the norm.
NX's CEO Dean Finch has stated he intends to build high quality 'best in class' operation, if the current investment levels are maintained i.e. 130 new buses per year, the average age of the NXWM fleet will fall sharply once the remaining B6LE, B10L & majority of the Mercs have been withdrawn, this looks highly likely to occur within the 12-18 months.
No not the same person Matt and just because you dont agree not nonsence !!.
Could we get back to buses, please! If you want to argue make a separate thread and leave this one be.
Quote from: Shaun on May 22, 2013, 09:33:48 PM
Could we get back to buses, please! If you want to argue make a separate thread and leave this one be.
Well said Shaun :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 09:34:50 PM
Quote from: Shaun on May 22, 2013, 09:33:48 PM
Could we get back to buses, please! If you want to argue make a separate thread and leave this one be.
Well said Shaun :)
I am not arguing
Didn't say you was >:(
Don't worry Nath I wasn't talking to you
Its a great shame that constructive critism can not be put on this forum about nxwm without being abused.I have no connection to Andy or prior knowledge to any of his posts. I have known Tony for many years having worked together at both Central Coachways and Nxwm Walsall depot. A pity that adults and people who work within the transport industry cant express an opinion without the torrent of abuse from enthusiasts.
Quote from: andyr on May 22, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
Its a great shame that constructive critism can not be put on this forum about nxwm without being abused.I have no connection to Andy or prior knowledge to any of his posts. I have known Tony for many years having worked together at both Central Coachways and Nxwm Walsall depot. A pity that adults and people who work within the transport industry cant express an opinion without the torrent of abuse from enthusiasts.
Very well said. Some of the enthusiasts on here forget that a lot of people here have actually worked and still do work in the industry and have a sound base of experience and knowledge to call on. That doesn't mean that enthusiasts don't know anything, quite the opposite, but they could at least treat people's opinions with respect and take part in a sensible and balanced discussion instead of ganging up into a one eyed monster.
Quote from: andy on May 22, 2013, 08:31:25 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
Are "andy" and "andyr" the same person? Both are spouting continuous nonsense
Please take your silly conspiracy theories and personal attacks back to the playground where you and they belong and leave the discussion to the adults.
would you like to tell me why children can't argue like you have??
In my opinion this forum is here for people to have an opinion in which other members.should repect. The forum isn't here for people to argue with each other.
Please can we just get along and if you don't have anything nice to say, Just don't say it.
Saw 1407 today and front is all red
Quote from: vinh1000 on May 23, 2013, 04:00:37 PM
Saw 1407 today and front is all red
NX must have heard the outrage that 1407 caused ;)
Quote from: Winston on May 23, 2013, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on May 23, 2013, 04:00:37 PM
Saw 1407 today and front is all red
NX must have heard the outrage that 1407 caused ;)
Indeed. John's picture of 1407 caused more controversy than the photos of Kate Middleton topless.