NX 2013 Bus Orders

[winston]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

[Andrew1991]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

If they actually do get that many, that's the 246, 276 & x96 upgraded for the better bus agreement.

[winston]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

If they actually do get that many, that's the 246, 276 & 246 upgraded for the better bus agreement.

I take it you meant 246, 276 & X96, I would think 30 double deckers could convert the 140 & 241 to double deckers as well plus possibly some 120 peak workings

[Ash]

Some presidents may be a good option for PE when the new double deckers arrive especially for services 246/276/X96 the one that have been refurbished for the 5 are excellent inside there just like new and a good job has been made of them. 

[wilmotm (Matt Wilmot)]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

Just wondering what you mean by a high mileage problem, are the current PE Enviro's being overworked then or something? As I know its a quite demanding route, and last Saturday night about 10 I got a 9 from Brum to Stourbridge and I don't think I've ever known a bus thrashed so much, it only took about 40 minutes if that.

And additionally I suppose they are 4 years old now and in the past the 9 had quite a turn around of new buses at BC, Spectra's, Presidents, Tridents and then the Enviro.

[winston]

Some presidents may be a good option for PE when the new double deckers arrive especially for services 246/276/X96 the one that have been refurbished for the 5 are excellent inside there just like new and a good job has been made of them.

I personally think Presidents or early Tridents are more likely if anything, there could be a quantity of say 10 x 07/57 Enviros from PB replaced on the Sutton Lines by new buses, these could supplement the 09 Enviros and bolster the double deckers that can work in to B'ham city centre.

I can't image that Pensnett will end up with 60 x Enviro 400s made up of 30 x 07/57 reg & 30 x 09 reg, B'ham garages haven't got that mnay newer generation double deckers. If the 50 is due new buses, I would have thought that YW would cascade the older Enviros within to upgrade one its own routes, YW next newest double deckers are the 52 reg Tridents some 10 years old.

[karl724223]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

our 09 plate enviros going back into a brum garage poss yw there being replaced with 30 older enviro 400s poss from yw with another 10 poss from pb

[karl724223]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

Just wondering what you mean by a high mileage problem, are the current PE Enviro's being overworked then or something? As I know its a quite demanding route, and last Saturday night about 10 I got a 9 from Brum to Stourbridge and I don't think I've ever known a bus thrashed so much, it only took about 40 minutes if that.

And additionally I suppose they are 4 years old now and in the past the 9 had quite a turn around of new buses at BC, Spectra's, Presidents, Tridents and then the Enviro.

our enviros are out nearly 24hrs 7 days a week were putting to much yearly milage on them

[PM]

Seems a bit unfair on PE when theyve been refurbing their enviros but im sure PE will be glad to potentially have a few more deckers.

[PM]

PE could potentially gain the whole batch from 4718-4762 then-44 buses.

[winston]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

our 09 plate enviros going back into a brum garage poss yw there being replaced with 30 older enviro 400s poss from yw with another 10 poss from pb

Oh I understand now...... that's not good for Pensnett, as Pensnett have spent a large portion of its maintenance budget having the 09 plate Enviros repainted & retrimmed.

The 07/57 Enviros from YW & PB will all need a fair bit of money spent on them bringing them up too scratch both internally & externally. It's not going to be good for passengers on the 9/141 either.

What is the benefit of swapping 09 plate buses for 07/57 plate buses? Surely the YW Enviros have been worked pretty hard on the 50 as it is, by moving them on to the intensive Hagley Road routes, this will work them harder still and they could potentially become more un-reliable & need extra money throwing at them mechanically.

If the 09 plate Enviros are clocking up that many miles per year, surely it would be better policy to replace them with new double deckers every 3-4 years and cascade the older ones to other garages to work less intensive routes and bring down the average mileage per year over the longer term

[winston]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

our 09 plate enviros going back into a brum garage poss yw there being replaced with 30 older enviro 400s poss from yw with another 10 poss from pb

YW only have 25, so any balance would need to made up with additional ones from PB

[Ash]

Would there be a similar problem to this with the 126 branded tridents, they must have high mileage as well traveling from Wolverhampton to Birmingham nearly every day of the week. I suppose this is where branded buses are not as good at least if the buses were unbranded they could be swapped round similar to the 900 service now.

[j789]

How many miles does an average route 9/141 running board do a day? Where I work a few running boards do up to 250+ miles a day but as there isno specific bus for those particular running boards I guess the milage is more spread out across the fleet.

[Stuharris 6360]

more older enviro on 246 due to the high milage problem on our 09 plates im told 30 older ones from brum poss yw plus 10 poss from pb

I'd be surprised if Pensnett gained 30 x Enviro 400's, they don't need that many additional deckers 15 would be more than enough. If Enviros are possibly being released from YW that would mean that the 50 is due a batch of new buses

our 09 plate enviros going back into a brum garage poss yw there being replaced with 30 older enviro 400s poss from yw with another 10 poss from pb

Oh I understand now...... that's not good for Pensnett, as Pensnett have spent a large portion of its maintenance budget having the 09 plate Enviros repainted
& retrimmed.

The 07/57 Enviros from YW & PB will all need a fair bit of money spent on them bringing them up too scratch both internally & externally. It's not going to be good for passengers on the 9/141 either.

What is the benefit of swapping 09 plate buses for 07/57 plate buses? Surely the YW Enviros have been worked pretty hard on the 50 as it is, by moving them on to the intensive Hagley Road routes, this will work them harder still and they could potentially become more un-reliable & need extra money throwing at them mechanically.

If the 09 plate Enviros are clocking up that many miles per year, surely it would be better policy to replace them with new double deckers every 3-4 years and cascade the older ones to other garages to work less intensive routes and bring down the average mileage per year over the longer term

Now we can see why they are being repainted and de-branded. But surely the 9 is one of NXWM premier routes and requires decent buses, and the excuse being used for swapping the Enviros over (that they are being worked to hard and clocking up to many miles) doesn't wash with me.