Landflight (formerly Silverline)

[Wumpty]

Landflight aren't the only ones hard hit by the stupidity of some people.  Many smaller operators round here use petrol stations to fill up, as they have no on site facilities.  Buses and emergency vehicles should be prioritised, without having any limits on spending.  After all, they are probably one of the garage's best customers.

Appreciate your point Pat - if we prioritise buses along with emergency services, what good are the buses full of diesel if the drivers can't fill up and get into work? Good point and idea in theory, though the simplicities of this aren't workable. I do feel for Landflight and smaller operators, but having your own infrastructure in place like larger operators, or entering into small operator partnerships for mutli-use bunkers instead.

[Tony]

Appreciate your point Pat - if we prioritise buses along with emergency services, what good are the buses full of diesel if the drivers can't fill up and get into work? Good point and idea in theory, though the simplicities of this aren't workable. I do feel for Landflight and smaller operators, but having your own infrastructure in place like larger operators, or entering into small operator partnerships for mutli-use bunkers instead.

I believe NX are going to sell fuel to Landflight from AG garage

[Wumpty]

I believe NX are going to sell fuel to Landflight from AG garage

An excellent gesture Tony. Perhaps the next time some of the bus fraternity feel like criticising NXWM for muscling the smaller operators, they should remember things like this.

[Steveminor]

I believe NX are going to sell fuel to Landflight from AG garage

For a profit

[DJ]

For a profit

Just like any other place they'd fill up at?

NX are a business, just like BP, Shell etc.

[Wumpty]

For a profit

Not sure of your point Steve. Any business transaction involves mark-up and a profit AND it does allow them to continue operating and maintain service.

What would you rather have - buses standing with no fuel or a valuable lifeline in the interim?

[Steveminor]

My point has been pointed out, not an excellent gesture but a business transaction for profit.

[Tony]

My point has been pointed out, not an excellent gesture but a business transaction for profit.

As you seem to know, what are they being charged then

[Steveminor]

@Tony you should know better than that, asking for commercially sensitive figures to be posted in an open forum. Tut Tut

[Wumpty]

My point has been pointed out, not an excellent gesture but a business transaction for profit.

So what exactly is your point Steve? Why don't you say exactly what you mean and make it blatantly clear so we understand? As a logistics specialist, I see a larger business offering a smaller business an opportunity to continue trading to ensure vital bus services can continue to run and allow, amongst others, key workers to get to work. Would you and Claribels rather see Landflight's fleet without fuel, indeed your own fleet if the situation doesn't improve, and sit there unable to operate even if NXWM offered you a lifeline?

We could apply the same logic to your company - not a value-for-money vital set of bus services for your passengers, but a business transaction for profit. Which category do you fit into?

Genuinely interested to know.

[Steveminor]

The exact point is that it is NOT a "gesture" but an amicable business arrangement. I'm certain it would not have come to landflight being unable to source fuel of the need to take buses out of service.

[Tony]

The exact point is that it is NOT a "gesture" but an amicable business arrangement. I'm certain it would not have come to landflight being unable to source fuel of the need to take buses out of service.

It is a gesture, no-one is forcing Landflight to use AG, and they are not paying more they they normally would, but you just hate NX and have to try point scoring.

[Stuharris 6360]

It is a gesture, no-one is forcing Landflight to use AG, and they are not paying more they they normally would, but you just hate NX and have to try point scoring.

I don't see why one company selling another company some fuel has to cause an argument for. It was a very kind gesture for NX to offer to let them use AG and as Tony says they are not paying any extra than they would normally pay, so whats the problem.

At the end of the day, in a situation like this, everyone has to help each other!!

[Stu]

The exact point is that it is NOT a "gesture" but an amicable business arrangement. I'm certain it would not have come to landflight being unable to source fuel of the need to take buses out of service.

It is a gesture, no-one is forcing Landflight to use AG, and they are not paying more they they normally would, but you just hate NX and have to try point scoring.

Landflight had agreements with local filling stations for refueling their vehicles. As reported in the Birmingham Mail, those stations imposed a £50 limit on the amount of fuel that could be purchased at a time. The guy from Landflight revealed their buses use about £100 of diesel per day. That was what was going to cause them problems, if regular motorists didn't stop acting silly and panic-buying fuel uneccesarily.

The one thing that is NOT stressed enough by the media is that there is NO shortage of fuel.

Presumably NX bus depots are getting their own deliveries on a regular basis, so there is no shortage for them. I understand that NX Bus 'hedge-fund' their fuel supplies by buying them in advance at agreed rates, so it is entirely possible that what they have paid for their fuel is less than the current 'pump-rate'.

If NX Bus can then offer fuel to Landflight at the current 'pump rate', and Landflight are happy to pay this (which is what they would pay otherwise) if it keeps them operational, if NX Bus make a little bit of profit on the fuel they sell to them, I don't personally see what the problem is.

If Landflight felt like they were somehow being 'ripped off', then I'm sure they wouldn't have agreed to this.

[metrocity]

Landflight had agreements with local filling stations for refueling their vehicles. As reported in the Birmingham Mail, those stations imposed a £50 limit on the amount of fuel that could be purchased at a time. The guy from Landflight revealed their buses use about £100 of diesel per day. That was what was going to cause them problems, if regular motorists didn't stop acting silly and panic-buying fuel uneccesarily.

The one thing that is NOT stressed enough by the media is that there is NO shortage of fuel.

Presumably NX bus depots are getting their own deliveries on a regular basis, so there is no shortage for them. I understand that NX Bus 'hedge-fund' their fuel supplies by buying them in advance at agreed rates, so it is entirely possible that what they have paid for their fuel is less than the current 'pump-rate'.

If NX Bus can then offer fuel to Landflight at the current 'pump rate', and Landflight are happy to pay this (which is what they would pay otherwise) if it keeps them operational, if NX Bus make a little bit of profit on the fuel they sell to them, I don't personally see what the problem is.

If Landflight felt like they were somehow being 'ripped off', then I'm sure they wouldn't have agreed to this.

Who said anything about Landflight being ripped off? At this rate it's a shortage of popcorn we will be looking at!