Service Changes August 29th 2021.

[MasterPlan]

The 23 registration got cancelled a while back. Everything's on the 22 registration.

Sorry yeah, that was it.

[PB2938]

The 99x routes did swop from Perry Barr to Walsall at one point didn't they, so unless there was a placing journey on the 366 or 377 at the time, it was a fair dead run for the 996.

The 996 was Sutton - Streetly- Birmingham todays diamond 78 and nx 935 covering it,

Operated from PB until September 2001 then WA interworkimg with 366 (today's WA 6) until withdrawal in May 2006.

Replaced by PB Services 196 Queslett - Sutton later becoming 78 and 993 Birmingham- Streetly later becoming WA 935.

The 913 provided a link for Withdrawn 113 via Chester Road to New oscott then current 907 route to City.

I can't see the 77 being completely Withdrawn if not only a few School Journeys.

[Jack D]

I can possibly see Claribels taking the 77?

[Westy]

Where do most of its passengers travel to?

Walsall to Barr Beacon is covered by the 934.

On evenings and Sundays, there's the 937a for Blackwood,  but I've seen nothing for the 937 to change to account for it at other times!

[Jack]

NX will probably keep the 77A, thats the schools one. Unless thats going too.

[Kevin]

Where do most of its passengers travel to?

Walsall to Barr Beacon is covered by the 934.

On evenings and Sundays, there's the 937a for Blackwood,  but I've seen nothing for the 937 to change to account for it at other times!

Unfortunately that's the thing, the introduction of the 934/935 etc made the rest of the old 377 have to make do with a much reduced service, to the point that now there's probably not much point keeping the 77 in it's current form. I can foresee the 77 getting withdrawn at some point with the 9xx routes recast to keep a reasonable frequency on the Streetly - Walsall section and the Sutton end of the 77 incorporated into the 78 (to form a circle around Sutton Park, tbf the current terminating at the Queslett Road isn't an ideal spot))

[monkeyjoe]

To think that 77 whole corridor was one Centro special projects when they wasted a whole load of cash branding them with toothpaste like stripes. I can't remember the name of it but they did it to the 1 and 451 too at the time.

[j789]

It's a shame the 366 and 377 weren't originally combined into a half hourly circular A/C type route between Sutton and Walsall. This may well have saved a vehicle from the route allocation and the associated costs that involves.

[Tony]

It's a shame the 366 and 377 weren't originally combined into a half hourly circular A/C type route between Sutton and Walsall. This may well have saved a vehicle from the route allocation and the associated costs that involves.

No, wouldn't have saved anything unfortunately, both routes are quite an efficient use of hours

[ellspurs]

With thanks to @Lukeeee2018  over in the Cov version of this thread, some of these variations have started to appear on the bustimes registration with some more basic information:

Bit more information on the changes on bustimes, however, I'm not 100% sure how accurate this information is. Some of the most noticeable things were also mentioned above.

29/A - https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/815

"Withdrawn Walsgrave - Coventry. Re-routed Coventry - Chapelfields via existing 10 route to Canley Station then Glendower Avenue to Chapelfields. Extended from Chapelfields via Counden and Radford to Arena to replace existing 5 route. Evening/Sunday 29A added to Arena."

85 - https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/817

"Rerouted between UHCW and Coventry to partially replace route 1, 85S transferred to this registration"

EDIT: https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/75

Service X529 withdrawn.

[OH25]

With thanks to @Lukeeee2018  over in the Cov version of this thread, some of these variations have started to appear on the bustimes registration with some more basic information:

EDIT: https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/75

Service X529 withdrawn.

Some of what I've gathered looking myself:

46 - QE Hospital to Northfield via Kings Norton and Hawkesley (replacing part of the 48)
48 - West Bromwich to Weoley Castle (revised route between QE and Northfield - not clear about the 48)

41 - QE Hospital to Acocks Green via Moseley (replacing part of the withdrawn 1A)
 
2 - Dudley to Merry Hill (withdrawing the 2A)
X10 - City to Gornal Wood (diverted via Wallows Road - guessing to cover the 2A withdrawal)

X529 is withdrawn
10A is withdrawn

80A is renumbered to 80

12/12A - City to Dudley (revised route between Bearwood and City)

17/17A - Dudley to Stourbridge (re-routed between Gornal and Dudley)

27 - Maypole to Cofton Hackett (revised route - not clear about CH)
X20 is withdrawn (replaced by service 20 - didn't specify about the 20)

4/4A - Birmingham to Solihull/Gospel Oak (4A route change)

27/27A - Dudley to Wolverhampton (has a route change)

94 - City to Chelmsley Wood (an addition of service 95)
96 - Kingstanding to Chelmsley Wood (revised route)

[Sh4318]

Some of what I've gathered looking myself:

46 - QE Hospital to Northfield via Kings Norton and Hawkesley (replacing part of the 48)
48 - West Bromwich to Weoley Castle (revised route between QE and Northfield - not clear about the 48)

41 - QE Hospital to Acocks Green via Moseley (replacing part of the withdrawn 1A)

2 - Dudley to Merry Hill (withdrawing the 2A)
X10 - City to Gornal Wood (diverted via Wallows Road - guessing to cover the 2A withdrawal)

X529 is withdrawn
10A is withdrawn

80A is renumbered to 80

12/12A - City to Dudley (revised route between Bearwood and City)

17/17A - Dudley to Stourbridge (re-routed between Gornal and Dudley)

27 - Maypole to Cofton Hackett (revised route - not clear about CH)
X20 is withdrawn (replaced by service 20 - didn't specify about the 20)

4/4A - Birmingham to Solihull/Gospel Oak (4A route change)

27/27A - Dudley to Wolverhampton (has a route change)

94 - City to Chelmsley Wood (an addition of service 95)
96 - Kingstanding to Chelmsley Wood (revised route)

They're going to send them down City & Portland Road aren't they ???, seems that rumour could be correct @2900. Hopefully they'll leave the frequency alone, if not increase it

[Westy]

X529 - Not surprised.

10a - Surprised, but I guess that's due to the rebirth of Chaserider between Burntwood & Lichfield?

(I guess the Diamond 35 is continuing?)

[monkeyjoe]

X529 - Not surprised.

10a - Surprised, but I guess that's due to the rebirth of Chaserider between Burntwood & Lichfield?

(I guess the Diamond 35 is continuing?)

Does the chase rider 60 operate 3 mins in front of the 10a or they completely different offerings

[Stu]

Some of what I've gathered looking myself:
41 - QE Hospital to Acocks Green via Moseley (replacing part of the withdrawn 1A)

Looking at the current 1A, I don't know how this 41 can replace 'part' of the 1A, unless there is perhaps going to be a route change between the QE and Edgbaston. Unless there's going to be a slightly different route around the Acocks Green end.

4/4A - Birmingham to Solihull/Gospel Oak (4A route change)

Someone pointed out that the 31 was being cancelled, so perhaps the 4A will be extended to Shirley or maybe even Solihull?

Or it could just be a route change in Acocks Green, tied in with this new 41 service.