Service Changes August 29th 2021.

[BH2004]

Why does it always have to be a big secret, we had all this with the 2017 South Birmingham review. It's just bus changes, it's not national security so why ?

Nothing is official and going to happen until its announced on nxbus website. I think things are kept a secret and not told till its official is because it may confuse people and information about the changes could change

[ellspurs]

'Tis interesting that the variation listed for the 120/12/12A states that its going to be hail and ride.

And the Walsall 10A has been removed from the 10.

[metrocity]

Speculation but why not it passes the time, I'm wondering if the 58 will rerouted to serve yorkswood / pithall rd , extended to c wood and the 55 will be made more direct in shard end.

The 58 is being rerouted in Shard End

[Steve3229vp]

Nothing is official and going to happen until its announced on nxbus website. I think things are kept a secret and not told till its official is because it may confuse people and information about the changes could change

I'm sorry but that carries no weight whatsoever.
I'm hoping it's like the changes to the 27/49/76 last year which were announced officially at least 2-3 weeks before.

[Tony]

Why does it always have to be a big secret, we had all this with the 2017 South Birmingham review. It's just bus changes, it's not national security so why ?

Only reason I haven't answered is I don't know. I haven't bothered to ask. All I need to know for my job is what the PVRs at each garage will be or if any specific vehicle types are needed so I just find out route changes with everyone else most times.

[Stu]

Why does it always have to be a big secret, we had all this with the 2017 South Birmingham review. It's just bus changes, it's not national security so why ?

I'm glad you mention this, because it was something that occurred to me that I was going to bring up.

With a number of big changes impending at the end of August 2021, it would seem to me that the age of 'consulting with the public' is now over, as I don't recall any public consultation on service changes being announced at all this year.

With previous reviews that took place in the last few years, at least we (the travelling public) had some kind of 'forewarning' and were allowed an opportunity to submit comments and thoughts on the 'proposed' changes due to take effect.

Whether people made the effort to take part and contribute during these consultations is another matter.

The resulting changes may ultimately prove to be of benefit to passengers, but it is the lack of consultation with said passengers that I do admittedly find a little disturbing.

[monkeyjoe]

I image most of the changes will be commercially driven with the books messed up during Covid. The same with most businesses. I can't see how they will have robust data if people travelling habits have completely changed over the past 18 mths. Also who knows what is going to happen moving forward?

[bususer28]

These South Birmingham changes seem to feel a lot more like the network pre the changes whatever year they happened. An effective return of the 98, two services going to Cofton, Leach Green Lane back on the cards (I assume) and the 84 but more often and merged with the old 27.

[2206]

An effective return of the 98

Not really. Its being split into 2?
98 always went into City Centre like the X20.
And what does it mean for the frequency as well between City and QE/Uni. They could have kept it going into City Centre even at a reduced 30 min frequency surely (and increase the X21/X22's), rather than split into 2.

[ellspurs]

The 98 used to take an hour to make the journey from Sheldon to Asda, Hay Mills via the Wrekin :(

[monkeyjoe]

The 98 used to take an hour to make the journey from Sheldon to Asda, Hay Mills via the Wrekin :(

I think the south Brum 98 was before the east Brum one.

[ellspurs]

I think the south Brum 98 was before the east Brum one.

What, before 1992?

[Tony]

Or, if you are old like me the 98 is Birmingham to Pheasey Limited Stop

[MasterPlan]

Not really. Its being split into 2?
98 always went into City Centre like the X20.
And what does it mean for the frequency as well between City and QE/Uni. They could have kept it going into City Centre even at a reduced 30 min frequency surely (and increase the X21/X22's), rather than split into 2.

It's a strange one alright. When was the last time Rednal had no direct link to the City Centre?

[metrocity]

Not really. Its being split into 2?
98 always went into City Centre like the X20.
And what does it mean for the frequency as well between City and QE/Uni. They could have kept it going into City Centre even at a reduced 30 min frequency surely (and increase the X21/X22's), rather than split into 2.

I presume the CAZ makes operators think twice now about running routes in the City Centre