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Started by Stevo, December 05, 2020, 08:16:56 PM

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Stevo

Preliminary road works have started at the top and bottom of Lower Bull Street for the Eastside extension.

Busboy105

Quote from: Stevo on December 05, 2020, 08:16:56 PM
Preliminary road works have started at the top and bottom of Lower Bull Street for the Eastside extension.
Will the buses have to move from Lower  Bull Street when the Metro comes down to Eastside like they did with Corporation Street?

Stu

Quote from: Busboy105 on December 05, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
Will the buses have to move from Lower  Bull Street when the Metro comes down to Eastside like they did with Corporation Street?

It's possible they may have to move temporarily while works are in progress, but the CGI images suggest that buses will still be able to use Lower Bull Street once completed.

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Busboy105

Quote from: Stu on December 05, 2020, 08:45:58 PM
It's possible they may have to move temporarily while works are in progress, but the CGI images suggest that buses will still be able to use Lower Bull Street once completed.


This is a bad idea in my opinion. Unless some buses get rerouted, High Street and Carrs Lane are gonna be blocked up.

Tony

Quote from: Busboy105 on December 05, 2020, 09:38:21 PM
This is a bad idea in my opinion. Unless some buses get rerouted, High Street and Carrs Lane are gonna be blocked up.

Have you been to Edinburgh where trams and buses  happily share the same road? One tram every 10 minutes isn't going to cause chaos

Busboy105

Quote from: Tony on December 05, 2020, 09:54:38 PM
Have you been to Edinburgh where trams and buses  happily share the same road? One tram every 10 minutes isn't going to cause chaos
The proposed frequency is actually 6 minutes at peaks and every 15 at off-peaks.

Westy

Surely they don't want a repeat of what happens in Wolverhampton every time there is an incident on the roundabout?

I know it's infrequent before you say, but it does cause chaos every time.

Solo1

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If I'm reading this right they propose 15 min off peak & 6 peak from Eastside so with the library it will be 3 min Birmingham - wolverhampton  & about about every 6 off peak is there enough passengers to warrant this & how many more trams are they having

Busboy105

Quote from: Solo1 on December 06, 2020, 09:40:49 AM
If I'm reading this right they propose 15 min off peak & 6 peak from Eastside so with the library it will be 3 min Birmingham - wolverhampton  & about about every 6 off peak is there enough passengers to warrant this & how many more trams are they having
In 2019, WMCA signed a deal with CAF (the manufacturers of the trams) to order 21 more trans with an option to order 29 more (presumably for the Wednesbury- Brierley Hill and possibly Line 3).
Quoted from Wikipedia.

Pat

Quote from: Tony on December 05, 2020, 09:54:38 PM
Have you been to Edinburgh where trams and buses  happily share the same road? One tram every 10 minutes isn't going to cause chaos
Yes, but Princes Street is wide enough to allow buses to serve bus stops and let trams/other traffic pass without blocking up the whole road.

Tony

Quote from: Pat on December 06, 2020, 06:56:40 PM
Yes, but Princes Street is wide enough to allow buses to serve bus stops and let trams/other traffic pass without blocking up the whole road.

There's more than one road in Edinburgh

Pat

Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2020, 08:01:18 PM
There's more than one road in Edinburgh
Which are all wide enough to accommodate both.

JoNi

Quote from: Pat on December 06, 2020, 08:16:17 PM
Which are all wide enough to accommodate both.
Edinburgh Council has plans to restructure bus services creating hubs potentially removing buses from parts of Princes Street to accommodate the pedestrian/tourist who they deem more important like many cities that depend on hospitality.
Buses don't call at all stop groups in Princes Street nowadays and some major routes have been permanently diverted to avoid the junction where the tram creeps out from St. Andrews Street near Waverley.

Jack

Quote from: Busboy105 on December 05, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
Will the buses have to move from Lower  Bull Street when the Metro comes down to Eastside like they did with Corporation Street?
Most likely they'll be moved to the stops on Albert Street, like they was nearly 9 years ago. Its chaos as it is now it'll be worse when they all move again.

2206

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Quote from: Jack on December 07, 2020, 10:36:14 AM
Most likely they'll be moved to the stops on Albert Street, like they was nearly 9 years ago. Its chaos as it is now it'll be worse when they all move again.
If Lower Bull Street closes at any point e.g. while work takes place, the Perry Barr/Sutton routes could also possibly be moved to Priory Queensway as well, as they can then turn right onto Corporation Street and go past Law Courts, etc at Old Square. Which would probably make sense.
And 14 and 55/94 could be put on Albert Street to make room for Perry Barr/Sutton routes on Priory Queensway, as they can go straight down Moor Street onto Jennens Road from there.

But from what's been said it sounds like other than any possible temporary move, the stops on Lower Bull Street will remain.

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