Hopes and expectations on the buses in 2017

[Eric Shaw]

Are the 42XXVolvo/Alexanders receiving the full update to euro6, or will fitting traps just get them to euro4?

[Tony]

Getting full Euro 6 upgrade

[winston]

Getting full Euro 6 upgrade

I assume NX won't now be buying as many new buses for 2017

[GeminiFan1991]

I was of the belief the B7TL ALX400s were going to be withdrawn after the Y Reg Tridents so them getting traps to make them Euro 6 compliant is a surprise.

Apologies for asking this but will these buses get repainted into crimson ? I know buses buses above 4425 are due to be repainted with Geminis & Tridents from various garages leading the way but they also have/  are getting traps fitted and will also be in new livery so it also stands to reason the B7TL ALX400s should also be repainted as they have an immediate future with NX unless I've missed something ?

[pb2012]

IF they order 100 new buses this year this would replace y reg tridents & early b7tl?
153 would or could replace everything up to 4304?
This is pure speculation not fact, based on my own totally & probably inaccurate calculations?
Please correct me if i'm wrong?
Who else wants to have a go?

[winston]

IF they order 100 new buses this year this would replace y reg tridents & early b7tl?
153 would or could replace everything up to 4304?
This is pure speculation not fact, based on my own totally & probably inaccurate calculations?
Please correct me if i'm wrong?
Who else wants to have a go?

They aren't replacing the early B7TL's, they are now upgrading some/all to full Euro 6 spec. That's what the last 2 pages above are discussing.

[paulb1973]

They aren't replacing the early B7TL's, they are now upgrading some/all to full Euro 6 spec. That's what the last 2 pages above are discussing.

Just on that subject or thereabouts - is this still correct?

NX Group has ordered 550 [plus 50 for Xplore Dundee] 'Alexander/Dennis Euro 6 buses' single and double-deckers - 125 each year from 2015 to 2018 (I think the 100 delivered in 2014 count as part of the '600').
In 2016 x96 ADL E400MMC's (and x5 Wright Streetdecks) were delivered.
In 2015 x171 new ADL buses entered service (plus x5 Wright StreetLites).
In 2014 x100 ADL buses were delivered.

So 367 out of the 600 have been received? What happened to the '50 for Dundee' ?

Additional orders are: 10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrids in 2017 followed by 19 x Electric buses and 22 x Fuel Cell in 2018:

[John]

They aren't replacing the early B7TL's, they are now upgrading some/all to full Euro 6 spec. That's what the last 2 pages above are discussing.

I'm pleased they are stopping for a bit longer. Get a nice one and they are really good to drive. Some are tired both internally and engine wise, but they are still good solid buses. Favourites I have are 4262, 4300 (when we had them), 4241 (only took me 3 years to get!), 4243 and 4284.

Will the upgrade affect the drive of them in any way?

[Stuharris 6360]

could that mean we see 42xx buses in Crimson i wonder?

[Stu]

IF they order 100 new buses this year this would replace y reg tridents & early b7tl?
153 would or could replace everything up to 4304?
This is pure speculation not fact, based on my own totally & probably inaccurate calculations?
Please correct me if i'm wrong?
Who else wants to have a go?

Apart from the high echelons of NX management, nobody knows exactly how many buses are on order for this year and what they will replace.

So at this point, all anybody is doing here is speculating. And speculating is just as bad as rumours. Because people start believing rumours and speculation as facts.

[winston]

Just on that subject or thereabouts - is this still correct?

NX Group has ordered 550 [plus 50 for Xplore Dundee] 'Alexander/Dennis Euro 6 buses' single and double-deckers - 125 each year from 2015 to 2018 (I think the 100 delivered in 2014 count as part of the '600').
In 2016 x96 ADL E400MMC's (and x5 Wright Streetdecks) were delivered.
In 2015 x171 new ADL buses entered service (plus x5 Wright StreetLites).
In 2014 x100 ADL buses were delivered.

So 367 out of the 600 have been received? What happened to the '50 for Dundee' ?

Additional orders are: 10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrids in 2017 followed by 19 x Electric buses and 22 x Fuel Cell in 2018:

That sounds about right with what is currently confirmed.

I someone doubt that Dundee have got any chance of gaining 50 new buses from the multi year ADL order though. They've only had the 5 x WF Streetlites since the 9 x E400H's were delivered in 2013. Their decker fleet needs some new investment, it is quite elderly in comparsion to Stagecoach Strathtay's deckers that serve Dundee.

[uniquicity]

Traps fitted to 42xx will increase their resale value so not too bad of an idea with emissions being a bigger thing nowadays. Who knows where other zones will appear round the country so might be appealing for other operators.

[winston]

Traps fitted to 42xx will increase their resale value so not too bad of an idea with emissions being a bigger thing nowadays. Who knows where other zones will appear round the country so might be appealing for other operators.

It will increase their resale value, assuming you can find someone prepared to pay the extra when they are eventually sold on. Regardless of what comes out the exhaust, they are still heavy weight 16 year old buses (some never having been refurbished since the day they were new). Even if the Euro 6 upgrade also boosts fuel efficiency to a degree, I'm assuming it will still not come close to the latest new deckers on the market.

[paulb1973]

That sounds about right with what is currently confirmed.

I someone doubt that Dundee have got any chance of gaining 50 new buses from the multi year ADL order though. They've only had the 5 x WF Streetlites since the 9 x E400H's were delivered in 2013. Their decker fleet needs some new investment, it is quite elderly in comparsion to Stagecoach Strathtay's deckers that serve Dundee.

50 would be a huge investment for Dundee (in one go) bearing in mind the active fleet is around 120. Once the Presidents have gone, the rest of the fleet is more middle-aged than really old.

[winston]

50 would be a huge investment for Dundee (in one go) bearing in mind the active fleet is around 120. Once the Presidents have gone, the rest of the fleet is more middle-aged than really old.

Dundee would never likely get 50 in the same year, it was based on multiyear deliveries originally.

I wouldn't consider the 54 plate Gemini's middle aged, even they are not too far off being too old to work the Fife school contracts