New Deliveries / New Livery & Branding Discussion

[don]

Thanks Tony, so in total we have the following on order/announced to be ordered
Electric

• 170 DD ADL E400EV's (this is where i did not see a press announcement). Body numbers will be N449/1-30; N455/1-50 & N461/1-90
• 300 DD/ Type TBC. Announced in January 2023

Hydrogen

• 100 DD/ Type TBC. Announced March 2022
• 24 Articulated Sprint/ Type TBC. Announced 26th March 2022

I'm going to have a guess that most of the 170 will go to PB and YW (simply because of the equipment being there or partially there). AG could also be a good bet also (the 4 and the 11 would be good targets for EVs, noting one of the CV ones was driven around it recently on private hire). I'm presuming the replacement garages for BC will all be fully equipped for EV but clearly won't be happening for a while - and no expenditure adding EV equipment to BC is likely in the short term.

It's interesting in terms of replacements - I think the following is possible:-

Remainder of the 130 CV EVs indirectly replace all non euro 6 double deckers up to 4696. The B7RLE cascades could potentially replace Scanias instead.

170 additional EVs replace Euro 6 to 4696 and about 100 single deck Scanias (less if the B7RLEs mentioned above replace Scanias).

124 Hydrogens replace remaining 50 odd Scanias (or less re above) and DDs to 4780 - and what's the betting these might change to EVs if hydrogen increases in price as predicted.

What would the remaining 176 buses replace? Maybe the older B7RLE, E200 and E400s??

I know Tony is not able to confirm or otherwise any of this!!

[Steve3229vp]

I'm going to have a guess that most of the 170 will go to PB and YW (simply because of the equipment being there or partially there). AG could also be a good bet also (the 4 and the 11 would be good targets for EVs, noting one of the CV ones was driven around it recently on private hire). I'm presuming the replacement garages for BC will all be fully equipped for EV but clearly won't be happening for a while - and no expenditure adding EV equipment to BC is likely in the short term.

It's interesting in terms of replacements - I think the following is possible:-

Remainder of the 130 CV EVs indirectly replace all non euro 6 double deckers up to 4696. The B7RLE cascades could potentially replace Scanias instead.

170 additional EVs replace Euro 6 to 4696 and about 100 single deck Scanias (less if the B7RLEs mentioned above replace Scanias).

124 Hydrogens replace remaining 50 odd Scanias (or less re above) and DDs to 4780 - and what's the betting these might change to EVs if hydrogen increases in price as predicted.

What would the remaining 176 buses replace? Maybe the older B7RLE, E200 and E400s??

I know Tony is not able to confirm or otherwise any of this!!

As long as the single decker fleet is reduced, that's fine with me

[BBS]

I'm going to have a guess that most of the 170 will go to PB and YW (simply because of the equipment being there or partially there). AG could also be a good bet also (the 4 and the 11 would be good targets for EVs, noting one of the CV ones was driven around it recently on private hire). I'm presuming the replacement garages for BC will all be fully equipped for EV but clearly won't be happening for a while - and no expenditure adding EV equipment to BC is likely in the short term.

It's interesting in terms of replacements - I think the following is possible:-

Remainder of the 130 CV EVs indirectly replace all non euro 6 double deckers up to 4696. The B7RLE cascades could potentially replace Scanias instead.

170 additional EVs replace Euro 6 to 4696 and about 100 single deck Scanias (less if the B7RLEs mentioned above replace Scanias).

124 Hydrogens replace remaining 50 odd Scanias (or less re above) and DDs to 4780 - and what's the betting these might change to EVs if hydrogen increases in price as predicted.

What would the remaining 176 buses replace? Maybe the older B7RLE, E200 and E400s??

I know Tony is not able to confirm or otherwise any of this!!

AG is best to have it on the 4/4A mostly 

[don]

I'm going to have a guess that most of the 170 will go to PB and YW (simply because of the equipment being there or partially there). AG could also be a good bet also (the 4 and the 11 would be good targets for EVs, noting one of the CV ones was driven around it recently on private hire). I'm presuming the replacement garages for BC will all be fully equipped for EV but clearly won't be happening for a while - and no expenditure adding EV equipment to BC is likely in the short term.

It's interesting in terms of replacements - I think the following is possible:-

Remainder of the 130 CV EVs indirectly replace all non euro 6 double deckers up to 4696. The B7RLE cascades could potentially replace Scanias instead.

170 additional EVs replace Euro 6 to 4696 and about 100 single deck Scanias (less if the B7RLEs mentioned above replace Scanias).

124 Hydrogens replace remaining 50 odd Scanias (or less re above) and DDs to 4780 - and what's the betting these might change to EVs if hydrogen increases in price as predicted.

What would the remaining 176 buses replace? Maybe the older B7RLE, E200 and E400s??

I know Tony is not able to confirm or otherwise any of this!!

So here's a go at predicting what the remaining 176 buses might replace:-

E200 - 729-734; 801-830 (35)
B7RLE - 2001-2029; 2063-2125 (93)
Hybrid - 5401-9; 5501-9 (18)
E400 - 4799-4829 (30)

Possibly some of 4830-4879 instead of some of the B7RLE

This is all generally based on age rather than anything else (eg vehicle condition, which we don't generally know).

It's good fun second guessing what the fleet plan will be - hopefully @Tony won't be annoyed....

[winston]

So here's a go at predicting what the remaining 176 buses might replace:-

E200 - 729-734; 801-830 (35)
B7RLE - 2001-2029; 2059-2122 (93)
Hybrid - 5401-9; 5501-9 (18)
E400 - 4799-4829 (30)

Possibly some of 4830-4879 instead of some of the B7RLE

This is all generally based on age rather than anything else (eg vehicle condition, which we don't generally know).

It's good fun second guessing what the fleet plan will be - hopefully @Tony won't be annoyed....

B7RLE's - 2059-2062 have already been removed from service & are in the training fleet. 

[don]

B7RLE's - 2059-2062 have already been removed from service & are in the training fleet.

I forgot about those - I've edited my post accordingly!!

[markcf83]

So here's a go at predicting what the remaining 176 buses might replace:-

E200 - 729-734; 801-830 (35)
B7RLE - 2001-2029; 2063-2125 (93)
Hybrid - 5401-9; 5501-9 (18)
E400 - 4799-4829 (30)

Possibly some of 4830-4879 instead of some of the B7RLE

This is all generally based on age rather than anything else (eg vehicle condition, which we don't generally know).

It's good fun second guessing what the fleet plan will be - hopefully @Tony won't be annoyed....

Wouldn't it make sense to release the older Scanias first ahead of the Volvos?

[winston]

Wouldn't it make sense to release the older Scanias first ahead of the Volvos?

You need to read Don's latest post in conjuction with his original one. The Scania's will have already been replaced by earlier batches of new vehicles

[Stevo]

Quote from above: Transport for West Midlands ('TfWM') has secured funding for more than 100 hydrogen buses. Does this not mean that they will belong to Transport for West Midlands, not NatEx? In that case should not the operators be those tendering for TfWM routes, not necessarily NatEx? 

[don]

A lot of funding is secured through various public sector initiatives - has been for years. As we don't have a regulated bus environment in the West Midlands it tends to go to operators. 

An example is the Coventry electric city - various avenues of funding and will affect all operators (from what I can glean it will include most if not all of Stagecoach's fleets which may run in the city (while of Leamington, Nuneaton, maybe Rugby) all of NXC/NXWM and the odd bit of Diamond - although the lack of murmuring or even announcements from anyone except NX is deafening!!! 

[markcf83]

You need to read Don's latest post in conjuction with his original one. The Scania's will have already been replaced by earlier batches of new vehicles

Missed what he said. 

[Jack6101]

2231 has got new red Price branding on it 

[SK68MEV]

2231 has got new red Price branding on it

any pictures?

[Jack6101]

any pictures?

On Facebook on the National express West Midlands enthusiast group 

[Tony]

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