New Deliveries / New Livery & Branding Discussion

[busboy31]

Just heard the sad news (and I think you've all heard it) about Queen Elizabeth II and I wonder what will happen with the Electrics?

[Gareth]

Just heard the sad news (and I think you've all heard it) about Queen Elizabeth II and I wonder what will happen with the Electrics?

Hopefully the sticker plan will be abandoned and E52 renumbered accordingly. The jubilee is over. The era is over. 'The Queen is dead, long live the King'. It's a shame the little crown stickers couldn't have been used on other buses in the fleet at the time. I suppose now they can just say it's a 'tribute'.

[Wolves256]

I just wanted to align on the new bus orders:
Following the National Express PLC 2022 full year results on 2nd March, the accompanying press release for the UK bus operations states: 'Our net zero emission fleet targets are ambitious for a large public transport operator and remain on track to deliver in line with expectations. We now have 105 ZEV buses in service - and a further 375 approved and awaiting arrival – including Coventry where we are lead operator in the UK's first all-electric city. As part of our partnership, Transport for West Midlands ('TfWM') has secured funding for more than 100 hydrogen buses through the Zebra scheme, underscoring our commitment to help reinvigorate public transport'

As I know there are the following vehicles on order/ in process of delivery that would align with the above statement

• Announced 17th February 2022: 130 BYD ADL Enviro400EV double deck electric buses in process of being delivered
• Announced 26th March 2022: 124 new environmentally friendly hydrogen fueled buses (including 24 articulated tram-style buses for Sprint rapid transit routes). Bus type not known/ Not delivered
• Announced 27th January 2023: 300 battery-electric buses. Bus type not known/ Not delivered

So I make that 554 vehicles, i can not find any details of the 170 announced at Conservative party conference in October 2022?

[winston]

So I make that 554 vehicles, i can not find any details of the 170 announced at Conservative party conference in October 2022?

Tony has confirmed on Facebook that the order for 170 will be more ADL E400EV's, ADL are due to start building this batch in approx the next 6 weeks & they will be numbered E164-E333 (Can't remember exactly where it was posted)

[Stevo]

Will E164-E333 be on BYD chassis or the new chassis that ADL is developing? If on BYD they can't claim they're all British but that promise was made, I think, in January 2023. But is this order for 170 buses part of the 300 announced in January 2023 or additional?

[winston]

Will E164-E333 be on BYD chassis or the new chassis that ADL is developing? If on BYD they can't claim they're all British but that promise was made, I think, in January 2023. But is this order for 170 buses part of the 300 announced in January 2023 or additional?

They are BYD / ADL E400 EV's, same as currently being delivered.

This order was placed at the Conservative Party Conference in October 2022, months before the extra 300 were announced.

https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6404.msg308789#msg308789

[Steve3229vp]

The articulated tram style buses are not going to be popular with passengers, if they are seated now on a 51 or X2 they won't be happy standing at busy times on a tram like bus.

[winston]

The articulated tram style buses are not going to be popular with passengers, if they are seated now on a 51 or X2 they won't be happy standing at busy times on a tram like bus.

No, only TfWM want tram style buses, no one else does.

[Wolves256]

For the current batch of 130 BYD ADL Enviro400EV, these are claimed to be built in UK as per the press announcement

'The deal will see over 130 BYD ADL Enviro400EV double deck electric buses, all manufactured in Britain by ADL in partnership with BYD'

BYD ADL partnership to build 130 electric double deckers for Zenobē and National Express Coventry - BYD ADL Electric Buses (evbus.co.uk)

[Wolves256]

Tony has confirmed on Facebook that the order for 170 will be more ADL E400EV's, ADL are due to start building this batch in approx the next 6 weeks & they will be numbered E164-E333 (Can't remember exactly where it was posted)

Theses 170 additional vehicles announced at the conservative conference do not line up with numbers in the NX report? 170 buses is a big order these days and there would normally be many press releases to announce such a big order

[winston]

Theses 170 additional vehicles announced at the conservative conference do not line up with numbers in the NX report? 170 buses is a big order these days and there would normally be many press releases to announce such a big order

The word of Tony Hunter Fleet Deployment officer at NXWM is good enough for me!

[Tony]

Theses 170 additional vehicles announced at the conservative conference do not line up with numbers in the NX report? 170 buses is a big order these days and there would normally be many press releases to announce such a big order

There was a big press announcement about 300 extra buses with a note to say it was over 600 in total. The 170 order is split into three batches same as the current order for 130 is. Body numbers will be N449/1-30; N455/1-50 & N461/1-90

[Wolves256]

Thanks Tony, so in total we have the following on order/announced to be ordered
Electric

• 170 DD ADL E400EV's (this is where i did not see a press announcement). Body numbers will be N449/1-30; N455/1-50 & N461/1-90
• 300 DD/ Type TBC. Announced in January 2023

Hydrogen

• 100 DD/ Type TBC. Announced March 2022
• 24 Articulated Sprint/ Type TBC. Announced 26th March 2022 

[markcf83]

The word of Tony Hunter Fleet Deployment officer at NXWM is good enough for me!

...as well as for many of us.....

[cardew]

Tony has confirmed on Facebook that the order for 170 will be more ADL E400EV's, ADL are due to start building this batch in approx the next 6 weeks & they will be numbered E164-E333 (Can't remember exactly where it was posted)

Thanks for that, very good news. As someone who ditched facebook a good while ago I clearly miss some information being released.