closeing garages

[winston]

Surely any new depot would assist in winning Centro contracts in that area?

NX aren't that interested in Centro contracts, I suspect they'll only bid/take them on at the right price, I doubt they'd consider undercutting the smaller operators just to win them.

Just outta interest Winston I always wondered what on earth made them bid on those staffs cc cannock contracts with them being pretty much out of area ? :)

Not totally sure sure Bob, I can only assume that it was designed to 'fire one across Arriva's bow in Cannock' for expanding in the West Midlands? The X56 tender especially has been worked in to the X51 timetable, so I assume that pays. As for the others, not sure how they would have worked as Arriva returned fire & took them commercial, I wonder how Arriva are doing on those routes without subsidy

[Bob]

Its a shame because nx will now never come anywhere near cannock again and theres no prospect of any effective competition.  I can see why staffs cc were only too pleased cos it saves them money but its total abuse of a monopoly by arriva :-(

[winston]

Its a shame because nx will now never come anywhere near cannock again and theres no prospect of any effective competition.  I can see why staffs cc were only too pleased cos it saves them money but its total abuse of a monopoly by arriva :-(

You never know what may happen in the future, NX's interest in Cannock may have played some part in Arriva's decision to upgrade the Pye Green's with new buses & the forthcoming new Sapphire single deckers for the 1 at least

[Bob]

I don't know the current route 1 buses arent in very good nick and would have needed replacing anyway. Dont remember nx ever having trips missed on the 351 due to breakdowns or technical issues lol. Its got that bad that a woman has complained on their fb page that she has been late for work several times and her work are demanding tosee arrivas rresponse to stop them disciplining her! Lol

[Bob]

Saying that I can see why nx wouldn't want to go anywhere near a route like 351 again it had become so dead. But the 1 is a pretty busy corridor and nx could potentially win if they gave arriva a run for their money. The daysavers alone could pull people in

[Tony]

I don't know the current route 1 buses arent in very good nick and would have needed replacing anyway. Dont remember nx ever having trips missed on the 351 due to breakdowns or technical issues lol. Its got that bad that a woman has complained on their fb page that she has been late for work several times and her work are demanding tosee arrivas rresponse to stop them disciplining her! Lol

NX did lose trips a couple of times during the Solo era, but it was rare in Metrobus days, and even during the B6 era B6s biggest problem was overheating and they would normally get back to Walsall for a change bus and not completely conk out

[andy]

Saying that I can see why nx wouldn't want to go anywhere near a route like 351 again it had become so dead. But the 1 is a pretty busy corridor and nx could potentially win if they gave arriva a run for their money. The daysavers alone could pull people in

Bob I've told you before and I'll tell you again. I guarantee that if NX went onto the 1, they would not cover the whole route at the current Daysaver price outside of a price war with Arriva. If they had the route to themselves they would not sell the current Daysaver on it. Take my word for it. If NX could make money in that area with their current fare and concessionary structure they would still be there!

[andyr]

So do you control the fare structure for NXWM And ?.

[Bob]

Why do they still continue to sell them on the cannock X51s then?

[Bob]

Arriva have lost a hell of a lot more than a couple of trips tony. Lol. I dont remember chase losing many either,  considering the age of their fleet

[andy]

So do you control the fare structure for NXWM And ?.

What is your point?

[andy]

Why do they still continue to sell them on the cannock X51s then?

Because the cost implication of selling a Daysaver at that price to a customer who will only be able to catch 3 of your services is a bit different to running a multi vehicle all day operation on the 1 with a much less generous concessionary scheme than exists within the West Midlands.

[j789]

It is a pity the former Selly Oak garage has changed so much now as that would be ideal for a lot of routes - Bristol Rd, Pershore Rd, even Harborne routes and to help out on the 11a/c too + 76, 84 etc. The outer 'shell' of the garage is still intact but guessing the interior is rather different now being a storage place. Ideal position though.

[Bob]

So how come they still sell them on the x51, and in Burntwood,  in staffs? And codsall etc also in staffs with the same concessionary scheme? ??

[andy]

So how come they still sell them on the x51, and in Burntwood,  in staffs? And codsall etc also in staffs with the same concessionary scheme? ??

Because those routes are already part of a nucleus of services where most of the route is covered by the West Midlands. The passenger traffic within the West Midlands on those routes is the preodominant earner as is the concessionary income, as I have said it is a very different scenario on the 1 and 2. If there was money to be made doing so, they would be.