Old bus routes

[don]

The 163, 169 and 193 ran every 20 mins each Monday Friday daytime (equivalent to every 6/7 mins) and every 15 mins each Monday to Friday peaks and Saturday daytime (equivalent to every 5 mins).
The 53 and 54 ran every 11 mins each Monday Friday daytime (combined to every 5/6 mins), The 53 ran every 5-8 mins Monday to Friday peaks and Saturday daytime. The 54 ran every 5-8 mins each Monday to Friday peaks and approx. every 10-15 mins Saturday daytime.

Weren't there pick up/set down restrictions on some of these ex Midland Red routes within the Birmingham City Boundary and ex BCT routes 53, 54 (and 55 and 56) only ran to the City Boundary - until the rationalisation that became 93, 94, 97, 98?

[woody38]

Slightly off topic, but i vaguely remember 2p monday when all bus fares were just 2p on a Monday surprisingly.

Can someone tell me that it was true and i not making things up?

You are right mate in the early 80s about 1981, this is how it all started WM area was tories controlled they bought in a Monday 5p Kids, 10p adults fare, thus being the day when less people used the buses. The labour got back in around 81 scrapped the Monday deal bought in a 2p fare for us kids, it cost the West Midlands millions, bus drivers where complaing about being unpaid childminders, my mum used to give me & and my brother 50p to get us out of the way, we would ride  all over the West Midlands once we went to Coventry, never got into any trouble or had anybody attack us happy times.

[D10]

Weren't there pick up/set down restrictions on some of these ex Midland Red routes within the Birmingham City Boundary and ex BCT routes 53, 54 (and 55 and 56) only ran to the City Boundary - until the rationalisation that became 93, 94, 97, 98?

Yes, so effectively passengers within the City used BCT, whilst those outside the boundary used Midland Red.

Mind you wish this situation was still in force nowadays, maybe the 97 would be less prone to bunching if the route was shorter!

[Walsall1955]

Yes, so effectively passengers within the City used BCT, whilst those outside the boundary used Midland Red.

Mind you wish this situation was still in force nowadays, maybe the 97 would be less prone to bunching if the route was shorter!

On service 194 a special blind stated "FIRST SET DOWN HEATHLAND AVENUE", see:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/4826914185/

[iansdavies]

was kox 747f a lea hall based bus, i saw a picture on ebay its route was 193e operating to pine square , im thinking this photo was taken before 1976 ,

[busfan2847]

I have allocations for 4/73 and 3/77. 3747 was at YW in 4/73 but had moved to LH by 3/77 and was still there in 1/82

[iansdavies]

thanks busfan i remember they used to garage share alot of midland red routes i guess this bus may have been on loan  ;)

[cardew]

From my far-from-complete records I believe 3747 moved from Yardley Wood to Lea Hall around September 1973 along with 3745/6/8/9 and 3750. 

According to an allocation sheet that that I had (transposed but hopefully accurate) Lea Hall had the following at March 1974
3276-3281
3445-3450
3473-3474
3575-3601
3745-3750
4247-4251
4258-4264

[iansdavies]

hiya any ideas of where i could find a picture or photo of  bissell bus bon497c taken in chelmsley in 1976 , ive looked on flickr and ebay ,any websites i can look out for it . :D

[Brummie45]

Miss These Routes that used to operate by me (apart from the 40A/40C)

37A Birmingham City Centre - Birmingham Airport/NEC then became 38
40A/40C Solihull Circulars
41A/41C Acocks Green Circulars then they became 41 then became 42
42C Cranes Park - Solihull Station
56 Marston Green Rail Station - Birmingham City Centre (when Liberators were at BC)
69 Heartlands Hospital - Weoley Castle
98 Sheldon Wheatsheaf - Small Heath Asda (back in late 90's)

I remember when there was a 44 that ran to Lincoln Road North from City Centre via Acocks Green

Also the original 98 that operated from Bull Ring Bus Station to Marston Green  via Cattell Road and Chelmsley Wood.

99 also ran from Bull Ring Bus Station to Chelmsley Wood Lanchester Way along the same route as the 98 until Cooks Lane.

188 Solihull to Damsonwood which later became 41
199 was Castle Vale to Acocks Green via NEC and Sheldon.

[Brummie45]

689 replaced the 98 when the route was Curtailed away from the Fox & Goose and Bromford Rd areas. The 689 used to start at Park Hall school via Poolway and I believe terminated in Sheldon.

There was the 693 that ran from Park Hall School back to Park Hall School via Shard End. This was used as a bedding in route for new drivers at LH.

95 ran from Park Hall to Birmingham originally when it first started. I remember seeing them at the terminus from my classroom window.

[Isle of Stroma]

was kox 747f a lea hall based bus, i saw a picture on ebay its route was 193e operating to pine square , im thinking this photo was taken before 1976 ,

3747 was at LH from 9/73 until withdrawal in 1/82.

[CL]

Apologies if I've asked this before, but where did the 91/91A actually go? I'm not sure if it was a Hockley or Perry Barr route, if I'm honest. But I do recall the route going from City Centre to Perry Barr, via Hockley Circus & Hunters Road - but not too sure of where it went after Perry Barr.

Was it Pheasey? If anyone has a 91/91A timetable from wayback when, I'll be tremendously grateful. :) Thanks

[Squiz1971]

Apologies if I've asked this before, but where did the 91/91A actually go? I'm not sure if it was a Hockley or Perry Barr route, if I'm honest. But I do recall the route going from City Centre to Perry Barr, via Hockley Circus & Hunters Road - but not too sure of where it went after Perry Barr.

Was it Pheasey? If anyone has a 91/91A timetable from wayback when, I'll be tremendously grateful. :) Thanks

PB and yes the 91 was Birmingham to Pheasey via Hockley Circus, not sure about the 91A though @CL

[monkeyjoe]

91a from memory missed out Hockney went direct a34 to perry Barr think was Sunday mornings