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[Straightlines]

Well the issue as someone who occasionally uses the X51 is whoever at BCC Decided it was a sane and sensible idea to demolish the Perry Barr Flyover, the Flyover never had any Traffic on it now all that Traffic that was free to clear Perry Barr now has to sit in Perry Barr Traffic, the 11A/C are never going to recover from that plus Roadworks, the mayor proposed to make it a complete circle again because he has no idea how things like Buses and reliability work, let's spend money on making a service a full circle and making reliability worse despite the fact passengers wanted it split to be more reliable, let's throw Six figures at it that we have plucked from the magic money tree and then blame NXWM when it isn't cost effective so We can then Franchise the route and the new operator suffers the same reliability issues as the old Outer Circle did.

The 11 like most Bus routes in the Birmingham and Black Country suffer from congestion and delays there is nothing you can do anymore than NX have other than fit every single bus with Rocket Engines or Jet Engines to fly over Traffic as that seems to be the way to please everyone and even then some people still won't be happy. And that will never happen, because it isn't possible.

You can thank the "legacy" of the Commonwealth Games for this!

[BlackCountryBusSpotter]

You can thank the "legacy" of the Commonwealth Games for this!

Yeah but the initial plans were to keep it and then make the Pedestrian Underpasses Green Spaces and paint it and then add Cycle Lanes they went from that to knocking it down

[Tony]

Well the issue as someone who occasionally uses the X51 is whoever at BCC Decided it was a sane and sensible idea to demolish the Perry Barr Flyover, the Flyover never had any Traffic on it now all that Traffic that was free to clear Perry Barr now has to sit in Perry Barr Traffic, the 11A/C are never going to recover from that plus Roadworks, the mayor proposed to make it a complete circle again because he has no idea how things like Buses and reliability work, let's spend money on making a service a full circle and making reliability worse despite the fact passengers wanted it split to be more reliable, let's throw Six figures at it that we have plucked from the magic money tree and then blame NXWM when it isn't cost effective so We can then Franchise the route and the new operator suffers the same reliability issues as the old Outer Circle did.

The 11 like most Bus routes in the Birmingham and Black Country suffer from congestion and delays there is nothing you can do anymore than NX have other than fit every single bus with Rocket Engines or Jet Engines to fly over Traffic as that seems to be the way to please everyone and even then some people still won't be happy. And that will never happen, because it isn't possible.

If you think the old layout was always clear you are living in cloud cuckoo land

[jasmine]

If you think the old layout was always clear you are living in cloud cuckoo land

As someone who used to commute down Walsall Rd on most days, yeah, the flyover section got pretty awful at times.

[Jack]

As someone who used to commute down Walsall Rd on most days, yeah, the flyover section got pretty awful at times.

Agreed. The old roundabout was a nightmare  and you'd be stuck for ages, the Harrier Way part onto Aldridge Road was also awful with those lights.

I can just tell that the OP has obviously never been through Perry Barr, or half the other places he's claiming he knows because he hasn't got a clue!

[frostjay974]

Agreed. The old roundabout was a nightmare  and you'd be stuck for ages, the Harrier Way part onto Aldridge Road was also awful with those lights.

I can just tell that the OP has obviously never been through Perry Barr, or half the other places he's claiming he knows because he hasn't got a clue!

Who is the OP?

[Jack]

Who is the OP?

The original poster who posted that Perry Barr was apparently a breeze to get through and was a silly decision about knocking the flyover down.

[ellspurs]

There's congestion there when I have to go through it at 0030. At the very least they could've kept the part where the a34 went under the junction with the a4040. Even if it was made a tunnel to allow the openness they desired above.

[Stu]

The original poster who posted that Perry Barr was apparently a breeze to get through and was a silly decision about knocking the flyover down.

The point being made is that the 'road improvement' works in Perry Barr haven't actually 'improved' traffic flow though.

[Tony]

The point being made is that the 'road improvement' works in Perry Barr haven't actually 'improved' traffic flow though.

They have improved it for buses considerably, specially in the morning peak due to the bus lanes. Never takes me more than 35 min to drive from Walsall to Birmingham Central in a bus even in the height of the morning peak, much quicker than when the flyover was there when the X51 was regularly joining the queue for the flyover at Church Road.

Outbound in the evening peak would be just as good if the bus lane leading up to Heathfield Road, and again at Perry Barr crossroads was enforced

[Steve3229vp]

They have improved it for buses considerably, specially in the morning peak due to the bus lanes. Never takes me more than 35 min to drive from Walsall to Birmingham Central in a bus even in the height of the morning peak, much quicker than when the flyover was there when the X51 was regularly joining the queue for the flyover at Church Road.

Outbound in the evening peak would be just as good if the bus lane leading up to Heathfield Road, and again at Perry Barr crossroads was enforced

I agree entirely, Would you agree that if these bus lanes were enforced then buses wouldn't need to use the expressway through Birchfield. I've noticed many of the 9xx and X51 bus tend to come off it especially the flyover part and use the bus lanes anyway.

[Marge559]

Well the issue as someone who occasionally uses the X51 is whoever at BCC Decided it was a sane and sensible idea to demolish the Perry Barr Flyover, the Flyover never had any Traffic on it now all that Traffic that was free to clear Perry Barr now has to sit in Perry Barr Traffic, the 11A/C are never going to recover from that plus Roadworks, the mayor proposed to make it a complete circle again because he has no idea how things like Buses and reliability work, let's spend money on making a service a full circle and making reliability worse despite the fact passengers wanted it split to be more reliable, let's throw Six figures at it that we have plucked from the magic money tree and then blame NXWM when it isn't cost effective so We can then Franchise the route and the new operator suffers the same reliability issues as the old Outer Circle did.

The 11 like most Bus routes in the Birmingham and Black Country suffer from congestion and delays there is nothing you can do anymore than NX have other than fit every single bus with Rocket Engines or Jet Engines to fly over Traffic as that seems to be the way to please everyone and even then some people still won't be happy. And that will never happen, because it isn't possible.

So yesterday the problem parking was Richard Parker's fault, today it is due to a flyover being demolished seven miles away, amazing! Also which passengers wanted it split, I don't ever remember a public consultation or a survey being launched by either NXWM or TfWM? Social Media is usually flooded with passengers complaining they want the circular reinstated. I don't really see what difference flyover traffic specifically would make to a service that crosses Perry Barr from West to East either, the serving of One Stop/Wellhead lane has only become a thing since the route was modified, again a decision made by National Express, not the council, Richard Parker, or even Andy Street before he gets blamed.

[Jack]

I agree entirely, Would you agree that if these bus lanes were enforced then buses wouldn't need to use the expressway through Birchfield. I've noticed many of the 9xx and X51 bus tend to come off it especially the flyover part and use the bus lanes anyway.

Good. I'm always happy when they do because they miss out quite a bit of that traffic. Everytime I've been on one that misses it out it very nicely speeds up through the bus lane and manages to stay on time.

[BBS]

Bit off topic as X51 doesn't go anywhere near AG?

[Jack]

So yesterday the problem parking was Richard Parker's fault, today it is due to a flyover being demolished seven miles away, amazing! Also which passengers wanted it split, I don't ever remember a public consultation or a survey being launched by either NXWM or TfWM? Social Media is usually flooded with passengers complaining they want the circular reinstated. I don't really see what difference flyover traffic specifically would make to a service that crosses Perry Barr from West to East either, the serving of One Stop/Wellhead lane has only become a thing since the route was modified, again a decision made by National Express, not the council, Richard Parker, or even Andy Street before he gets blamed.

I honestly think that the person who keeps talking rubbish and writing essays needs to have a think about what they are saying as they clearly aren't sure of themselves and spamming the forum with massive posts that make no sense everyday.