Service Changes Jan 2025

[ellspurs]

Does anyone know how the 54 (Hamstead Village to Perry Barr) will work now? it says it will serve scott arms and then go to perry barr, but it already terminates at perry barr on the other end? so is it just a circular now? and if it isnt, why not? it basically already is because scott arms and hamstead village by proxy is really not far from perry barr at all. also will it serve scott arms how the old 46 did (via old walsall road) or will it follow the 16 route (via hamstead road and newton road) into scott arms?

it's just extremely unclear how the 54 will work once it reaches Hamstead Village now, and all plausible ways just seem stupid. if the route were to serve scott arms (we don't even know HOW it will serve it once it hits hamstead village) and then go to perry barr, as the changelog says, it's essentially a circular route, but they've not called it as such at all.

It'll probably just extend via the old 61 route to Great Barr from Hamstead Village, running Great Barr to Perry Barr via Hamstead Village. The notes on the 61 say it's withdrawn from this section and it offers the 54 as an alternative service.

[jasmine]

It'll probably just extend via the old 61 route to Great Barr from Hamstead Village, running Great Barr to Perry Barr via Hamstead Village. The notes on the 61 say it's withdrawn from this section and it offers the 54 as an alternative service.

Ah you're right, I completely missed the 61's notes, it makes a lot more sense now and it also says 54 Scott Arms to Perry Barr so as you say yeah, it will just go up Old Walsall Road and terminate there, and will not go to Perry Barr or Newton and Hamstead Road.

Old Walsall Road has had too many revisions to it to count on one hand since the 46 was withdrawn, much to the residents of Hamstead's dismay, it's almost like it shouldn't have been taken away in the first place, if even now, 2 years later, the road and replacement services still haven't been established.

[Jay71]

I thought the 229 had returned to its normal route

[fleetline6477]

Is it fair to assume tenders, for example Banga's 53, NX evenings 15 / Sundays15A, that were on the list are remaining with the current operator as no changes are currently listed?

[2206]

A couple of E200s I'm guessing will be surplus and moved onto other routes with NX no longer operating the PN 14/14A/24 CV 2 and WB 54.

Also Diamond will no longer operate into Solihull anymore once these changes take effect.

[Stu]

I thought the 229 had returned to its normal route

Yes it did.

Is it fair to assume tenders, for example Banga's 53, NX evenings 15 / Sundays15A, that were on the list are remaining with the current operator as no changes are currently listed?

As I mentioned earlier, I'd hold back from making assumptions just yet as I don't believe that TfWM have updated that page fully yet.

A couple of E200s I'm guessing will be surplus and moved onto other routes with NX no longer operating the PN 14/14A/24 CV 2 and WB 54.

NX have picked up the 22 Bearwood to Oldbury, which I assume would only need short E200s. Will be interesting to see how they work that.

[MW]

Is it fair to assume tenders, for example Banga's 53, NX evenings 15 / Sundays15A, that were on the list are remaining with the current operator as no changes are currently listed?

Some tenders haven't been awarded. Some have been merged with others. 

[Ingleboro261F]

Looks like

https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/#


Some of the new changes are listed here if anyone is interested

As the A1/A2/A15/A12 are all being run by landflight,wouldn't that mean Landflight are going to have to invest in some more buses as it says they will run every 30 mins?

[Stu]

Looks likeAs the A1/A2/A15/A12 are all being run by landflight,wouldn't that mean Landflight are going to have to invest in some more buses as it says they will run every 30 mins?

All depends on what the new routes and timetables look like. Landflight also lose the A3 which is being withdrawn. Depending on how the services are interworked, might not need any additional buses. But I'm sure this will all have been taken into consideration when bidding on these contracts.

[MasterPlan]

Are there likely to be non-tender related changes in the new year?

[Steve3229vp]

Some of these changes are quite interesting, I like the idea of using the 6xx series again, I've always thought that bus services that are 'entirely' subsidised by TfWM should all be in the 6xx series and advertised to that fact if you see a service in the 6xx it means use it or lose it, it would make passengers more aware. I am however struggling with the use of number 188, I don't know where that has come from., it doesn't make much sense

[Westy]

Surely any service is 'Use it or lose it' irrespective of the number?

[wembley86]

https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/#


Some of the new changes are listed here if anyone is interested

Looks like the 41 is going back to how the old 411 was.  Wednesbury to West Bromwich 

[Stu]

Some of these changes are quite interesting, I like the idea of using the 6xx series again, I've always thought that bus services that are 'entirely' subsidised by TfWM should all be in the 6xx series and advertised to that fact if you see a service in the 6xx it means use it or lose it, it would make passengers more aware. I am however struggling with the use of number 188, I don't know where that has come from., it doesn't make much sense

It reminds me of when the former 69 service (Brandwood End to Shirley) got 'chopped up' and became what is now the 169 between Kings Heath and Solihull.

The 88 is being revised and extended, thus becomes the 188. When you look at it that way, it sort of makes sense.

I suspect that when the time comes to franchise everything, and the whole network gets revised, we'll see a lot of routes get renumbered. But I don't think it will be done in any 'logical' way, for anyone dreaming of a return to 2xx, 3xx, 4xx etc.

[Gareth]

So ditching the Alpha routes with numerical numbers , wondering if the Acocks green to airport still on the cards?

The constant renumbering of routes does nothing apart from confuse everybody. And since one of the reason for ditching certain groups of numbers was it was easier to remember two digits than three, have people's memories suddenly got better?