Is there a reason why certain routes/operators on a corridor aren't included on a timetable leaflet?
For example, the Walsall to Darlaston leaflet only includes the NXWM services 34, 38 & 39, plus Service 9 operated by what was Midland.
What it doesn't include is the 334, also by what was Midland, plus the 333/333x (The 333x actually operates Sunday daytimes unlike Service 9!) & the 339!
Is there contractual reasons, why certain routes/operators are omitted?
Its like the 75 journeys operated by Joe's Travel
West Bromwich travel shop omitted it
I agree with you that not all timetables in the Centro area are published. For instance, Hanson's commercial service 226 and tendered service 287 both have Centro timetables, whereas the 004 and 225 don't. Centro also ignore Whittles service 125 from Stourbridge to Bridgnorth.
However, my biggest gripe is that, when timetables are changed, updated printed timetables are often not produced until weeks after. There were a large number of timetable changes on 2/3 September. Since then new timetables have dribbled into the Travel Shops week by week with an updated 255/256/257 timetable not being available until yesterday, 5 weeks after the change. The changes to X96, 287 and 297B on 23 September in Stourbridge were fairly major for evening or Sunday passengers. However, the new timetables to update the X96 and remove the 297B appeared yesterday, a fortnight late. The new 287 timetable hasn't appeared yet.
I also dare anybody to find an up-to-date 934, 934A, 935, 997 timetable in the Travel Shops.
The time when people need to pick up new timetables is just before they change - not weeks afterwards.
Quote from: Roy on October 09, 2012, 09:29:48 AM
I agree with you that not all timetables in the Centro area are published. For instance, Hanson's commercial service 226 and tendered service 287 both have Centro timetables, whereas the 004 and 225 don't. Centro also ignore Whittles service 125 from Stourbridge to Bridgnorth.
However, my biggest gripe is that, when timetables are changed, updated printed timetables are often not produced until weeks after. There were a large number of timetable changes on 2/3 September. Since then new timetables have dribbled into the Travel Shops week by week with an updated 255/256/257 timetable not being available until yesterday, 5 weeks after the change. The changes to X96, 287 and 297B on 23 September in Stourbridge were fairly major for evening or Sunday passengers. However, the new timetables to update the X96 and remove the 297B appeared yesterday, a fortnight late. The new 287 timetable hasn't appeared yet.
I also dare anybody to find an up-to-date 934, 934A, 935, 997 timetable in the Travel Shops.
The time when people need to pick up new timetables is just before they change - not weeks afterwards.
The sad thing is Roy that operators just expect us to go online and don't think they have a responsibility to maintain good and timely printed publications anymore, as is the case with so many other things now.
With timetables like the 125 & the Walsall 81, Nwm argument is they dont support the service.
Why doesnt the operator take it upon themselves to send leaflets to the nearest Nwm Travel Shop instead at least?
I was under the impression the operators have to pay to have timetables in the NWM shops.
Quote from: Westy on October 07, 2012, 11:05:44 PM
Is there a reason why certain routes/operators on a corridor aren't included on a timetable leaflet?
For example, the Walsall to Darlaston leaflet only includes the NXWM services 34, 38 & 39, plus Service 9 operated by what was Midland.
What it doesn't include is the 334, also by what was Midland, plus the 333/333x (The 333x actually operates Sunday daytimes unlike Service 9!) & the 339!
Is there contractual reasons, why certain routes/operators are omitted?
From the start of September the 333X is now hourly Monday - Saturday and the Sunday timetable has been withdrawn.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on October 09, 2012, 10:39:23 PM
Quote from: Westy on October 07, 2012, 11:05:44 PM
Is there a reason why certain routes/operators on a corridor aren't included on a timetable leaflet?
For example, the Walsall to Darlaston leaflet only includes the NXWM services 34, 38 & 39, plus Service 9 operated by what was Midland.
What it doesn't include is the 334, also by what was Midland, plus the 333/333x (The 333x actually operates Sunday daytimes unlike Service 9!) & the 339!
Is there contractual reasons, why certain routes/operators are omitted?
From the start of September the 333X is now hourly Monday - Saturday and the Sunday timetable has been withdrawn.
So there is only one route from Bentley to Walsall on Sundays now then? The 40/41.
Unless you lived in the area, or looked online, you'd be forgiven for thinking there had always been one route there!
Anyone spotted NX's flyers for the new 77 & X51 Sunday services?
Why not produce a proper timetable leaflet instead, unless NWM are running behind with printing again?
yea i pick up to flyrs one for the 77 and one for x51 they was also a flyr on the cab door on the x51 i was hoping to pick up the new leaflet for the 935a but was not one out yet but then i think they are behind with print due to the centro changes this weekend and the sandwell review next weekend. i mean i went to the first exhibitionsfor the sandwell review on thursday and they did not have all the leaflets they and some of them were a4 size like they had just been print of the net .i think they should have all new timetables for any service print and in shops on the saturdays before the changes that goes for bus stop and shelters timetables to
They used to be very good up until a few years ago, with the updating.
Wonder what has happened in the meantime?
Notice the area bus maps are being updated.
Still missing from Walsall Travel Shop are Dudley / Sandwell & Birmingham.
Would've thought the Dudley / Sandwell one would've been the priority, rather than the others?
If the new ones have been spotted elsewhere, get them to sling a few in Walsall's direction please?
Quote from: Westy on October 07, 2012, 11:05:44 PM
Is there a reason why certain routes/operators on a corridor aren't included on a timetable leaflet?
For example, the Walsall to Darlaston leaflet only includes the NXWM services 34, 38 & 39, plus Service 9 operated by what was Midland.
What it doesn't include is the 334, also by what was Midland, plus the 333/333x (The 333x actually operates Sunday daytimes unlike Service 9!) & the 339!
Is there contractual reasons, why certain routes/operators are omitted?
Only just stumbled across this post regarding Centro publicity. With entirely commercial services, the operator must pay for inclusion in said grouped leaflets - which sometimes proves fruitless if your own more distinctive leaflet has already been paid for and produced, especially as this is free to incorporate fares information and offers too - and doesn't mention the competition's services!
I know this isn't particularly helpful from your point of view!
Quote from: jarh_9394 on November 22, 2012, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: Westy on October 07, 2012, 11:05:44 PM
Is there a reason why certain routes/operators on a corridor aren't included on a timetable leaflet?
For example, the Walsall to Darlaston leaflet only includes the NXWM services 34, 38 & 39, plus Service 9 operated by what was Midland.
What it doesn't include is the 334, also by what was Midland, plus the 333/333x (The 333x actually operates Sunday daytimes unlike Service 9!) & the 339!
Is there contractual reasons, why certain routes/operators are omitted?
Only just stumbled across this post regarding Centro publicity. With entirely commercial services, the operator must pay for inclusion in said grouped leaflets - which sometimes proves fruitless if your own more distinctive leaflet has already been paid for and produced, especially as this is free to incorporate fares information and offers too - and doesn't mention the competition's services!
I know this isn't particularly helpful from your point of view!
And one wonders why services get withdrawn if no one knows about them?
I'm intrigued why Diamond don't produce a leaflet for their version of the 301. The NWM leaflet doesn't refer to Diamond at all, just NX, so unless you go online, or are a local, like yours truly, you would think there's only one operator between Walsall & Mossley.
Continuing the argument, why include the operator's journeys not included in the leaflet, in the timetable display cases?
By the way, Birmingham area now available in Walsall, which leaves the Dudley/Sandwell map still to come, which is the other main one I need, as my job's moving soon!
I suppose with a corridor as extensively served as the 301 route, Diamond producing a leaflet for it would be unnecessary expenditure.
By the way, Birmingham area now available in Walsall, which leaves the Dudley/Sandwell map still to come, which is the other main one I need, as my job's moving soon!
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I know what you mean about the Dudley/Sandwell one, I had trouble getting hold of one. I managed to finally get one yesterday though, in the Public Transport leaflet display that is at the main entrance to Sandwell Council House in Oldbury.
sandwell and dudley map now out in west brom travel shop i got one today
Quote from: adam 21 on November 24, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
sandwell and dudley map now out in west brom travel shop i got one today
I checked Walsall earlier again.
Still no map.
By the way, why are the online versions on NWM's website still the old one?
If they were behind, the online would be better than nothing.
Sandwell & Dudley map now spotted in Walsall.
The availability of updated timetable leaflets is becoming a joke. About a dozen NXWM timetables changed on 25 November, yet none of the updated leaflets are yet available in Travel Shops.
At Wolverhampton Bus Station, the 255/256/257 timetable has been removed in the Travel Office, with a note in its place reading "255 Minor changes". Outside, in the Bus Station itself, the out of date leaflets are still available. The "minor change" is that buses from Merry Hill now depart 12 minutes earlier on Sundays. I don't think this is a minor change, especially if you pick up an out of date timetable and then miss your bus and have to wait 48 minutes for the next one to Wolverhampton.
The 287 service was changed on 23 September, with the first two journeys of the day withdrawn. Despite this, obsolete timetables were still available in Centro shops until mid November, before the up to date copy finally hit the shelves.
Timetable leaflets were updated on time when National Express West Midlands provided them. Since Centro took over the production of all timetable leaflets (except North Birmingham which they will take over soon), the situation has deteriorated. Updated leaflets should be available in the travel offices a few days before the timetable changes. If Centro or their printers can't do that, they should admit that the task is beyond them and hand back the job to the bus operating companies.
NX were a bit late at times too.
Id say the new leaflets were better, but as only certain operators are included, only a slight improvement.
How come all operators can be included on the bus stop timetable displays, but not on the printed leaflet?
Roadside publicity and leaflets are separate costs.
As much as I moan about Arriva they were pretty good at updating timetables and stops and have a good publicity dept with dedicated people whom do it for the whole of Arriva county and also must pay Centro to include there services as there services not just the subsidised ones are in them plus they do their best to put there own leaflets in the Travel shops and are generally up to date.
Quote from: Discodave on January 02, 2013, 02:37:09 PM
As much as I moan about Arriva they were pretty good at updating timetables and stops and have a good publicity dept with dedicated people whom do it for the whole of Arriva county and also must pay Centro to include there services as there services not just the subsidised ones are in them plus they do their best to put there own leaflets in the Travel shops and are generally up to date.
Must admit its very rare you see operators own leaflets,apart from the NX ones not converted by reviews.
Even worse on services extending beyond the boundary, if you hadnt looked at the nxwm website you wouldnt know the X51 ran to Cannock 3x daily cos theres not even a timetable at Cannock bus station!! Shockin
Quote from: bob on January 14, 2013, 01:26:28 PM
Even worse on services extending beyond the boundary, if you hadnt looked at the nxwm website you wouldnt know the X51 ran to Cannock 3x daily cos theres not even a timetable at Cannock bus station!! Shockin
To be fair, the Cannock X51 only benefits the Cannock & Cheslyn Hay people.
There is no need to push the route, unless it goes back to how it was before!
I am surprised that NWM's production of leaflets that don't show all operators doesn't have legal implications.
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And of course if they produced timetables for the cowboys it would be easier to spot non compliance with registrations.
I still wonder how the operators not mentioned in certain NWM timetables still manage to get passengers?
They must have very loyal ones!
No updated timetables for NX Walsall 69/70/70A & 335 & 336 in Walsall Travel Shop, I noticed.
Good job NX have put them online, isn't it?
Surely new timetables should be on the shelves at least the day before(Saturday in most cases!)?
Wait til the North Bham review, then try to find any related timetable or map, I've struggled for a few weeks after each of the other reviews
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2013, 08:49:21 PM
No updated timetables for NX Walsall 69/70/70A & 335 & 336 in Walsall Travel Shop, I noticed.
Good job NX have put them online, isn't it?
Surely new timetables should be on the shelves at least the day before(Saturday in most cases!)?
I wouldn't hold your breath. A number of routes had timetable changes on 27 November. The updated timetable leaflet for services 255/256/257 appeared on the shelves in the last week of December. Most of the other routes did not appear until early January !
There have been complaints to Centro at TUF meetings. All they do is pass the buck and blame the printers.
New leaflet for update to Walsall 302 in the Travel Shop within a week.
Makes a change, or theres not much happening!
Of course, if they included Diamond 301 timetable in the leaflet too, even better.
New leaflets for revised timetables on Coventry routes 16/A and 18/A were published late.
The route information and maps had not been updated in either leaflet.
When I obtained the leaflet for the 18 from Pool Meadow Bus Station the assistant was just going through the box crossing out the incorrect route in each leaflet!
Lets see how many of the 28th April leaflets appear then?
Well as regards Walsall related services, Ive seen the Darlaston corridor leaflet with the Arriva 334 added, plus the 26 & 28(from Wolves).
Also of interest, Arriva have issued Wolverhampton & Walsall separate guides.
(Has Arriva issued separate guides for Dudley/Sandwell & South Staffs?)
Quote from: Westy on April 27, 2013, 04:37:10 PM
Well as regards Walsall related services, Ive seen the Darlaston corridor leaflet with the Arriva 334 added, plus the 26 & 28(from Wolves).
Also of interest, Arriva have issued Wolverhampton & Walsall separate guides.
(Has Arriva issued separate guides for Dudley/Sandwell & South Staffs?)
I will be in Darlaston briefly tomorrow, and would like to pick up the latest timetables if possible. Does anyone know if Darlaston Library stocks timetables?
Cheers
Any idea where you get leaflets in Cannock thesedays, apart from the library?
Quote from: Westy on April 30, 2013, 06:57:10 AM
Any idea where you get leaflets in Cannock thesedays, apart from the library?
You can get timetables in the market in the shopping centre. Not the in-shops, the old market hall. The woman at the stall next to the rack is very helpful and has more printed timetables behind the counter.
Quote from: John on April 30, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: Westy on April 30, 2013, 06:57:10 AM
Any idea where you get leaflets in Cannock thesedays, apart from the library?
You can get timetables in the market in the shopping centre. Not the in-shops, the old market hall. The woman at the stall next to the rack is very helpful and has more printed timetables behind the counter.
Ta.
Might have a wander over on Saturday, as Im only in Bloxwich!
Walsall travel shop have now run out of Arriva Walsall Guides!
They have Wolves left though.
Quote from: Westy on May 01, 2013, 11:25:23 PM
Walsall travel shop have now run out of Arriva Walsall Guides!
They have Wolves left though.
Thats quick! They had quite a lot on Monday, when I got them.