From 23rd July 2023 (City Centre Changes)
Routes 33, 51 and 907 will be moving to The Square Peg
Routes 934 etc, 997/X51 will be from Carrs Lane
Routes 45/47 will be from High Street
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/23rd-july-timetable-changes
Service 97 will depart from Moor Street Queensway from 23rd July 2023.
Very interesting. So Lower Bull St will become a bus route again, now over the tram tracks. They'll have to hurry up as there's a big hole at the bottom of the street at the High Street junction.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on July 08, 2023, 07:14:24 PMService 97 will depart from Moor Street Queensway from 23rd July 2023.
Glad the 97 is moving back to Moor Street, not a fan of the current stop location.
Would've thought they'd kept the Walsall Road services together for convenice?
Certainly as regards the 51 / X51 !
Quote from: Westy on July 08, 2023, 09:08:54 PMWould've thought they'd kept the Walsall Road services together for convenice?
Certainly as regards the 51 / X51 !
That's what I thought, why couldn't they put the 907 with the 934 etc
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 08, 2023, 09:19:39 PMThat's what I thought, why couldn't they put the 907 with the 934 etc
Possibly because the 907 serves One Stop as per the 33/51?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 08, 2023, 06:33:49 PMFrom 23rd July 2023 (City Centre Changes)
Routes 33, 51 and 907 will be moving to The Square Peg
Routes 934 etc, 997/X51 will be from Carrs Lane
Routes 45/47 will be from High Street
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/23rd-july-timetable-changes
Which side of square peg are they stopping? There's bus stops either side?
Quote from: Jack D on July 10, 2023, 10:04:57 PMWhich side of square peg are they stopping? There's bus stops either side?
The map suggests Moor Street Queensway, Carrs Lane, Lower Bull Street, Square Peg, leaving the City at Corporation Street if you select 23rd July on the NX timetables. So stopping on the same side the pub is on.
The funny thing is they erected bus shelters and kerbs opposite the Square Peg some time ago on the inbound direction but I can't see these are being used.
I can't understand why they didn't put the 45/47 on Carrs Lane and the 934 etc at The Square Peg and just leave the 31,51 and X51 on High Street
They will probably end up changing pretty soon afterwards
I'd think that they would return the sutton services back to the square peg after so long and use them somewhere around there possibly on the opposite stops?
Quote from: GoldenSquid on July 08, 2023, 08:02:09 PMGlad the 97 is moving back to Moor Street, not a fan of the current stop location.
Yes, not the best! I'm guessing it'll be sharing the stop with the 60/17?
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on July 11, 2023, 06:04:56 PMYes, not the best! I'm guessing it'll be sharing the stop with the 60/17?
I have feeling it's going back to where it originally stopped where the 45/47 currently stop.
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on July 11, 2023, 06:04:56 PMYes, not the best! I'm guessing it'll be sharing the stop with the 60/17?
Quote from: Jack on July 11, 2023, 06:24:26 PMI have feeling it's going back to where it originally stopped where the 45/47 currently stop.
Moor Street Queensway, stop MS8. The stop currently used by the 45 & 47.
Quote from: Stu on July 11, 2023, 08:29:20 PMMoor Street Queensway, stop MS8. The stop currently used by the 45 & 47.
Guessing, it'll go down to the bottom of Moor Street and turn around by the thinktank?
Quote from: GoldenSquid on July 11, 2023, 08:38:18 PMGuessing, it'll go down to the bottom of Moor Street and turn around by the thinktank?
Turns at Park Street and stops on both sides of the road like the 45/47 strangely currently do.
Just spotted
@Stu 's Facebook article and it states that the 934 etc & X51 will also serve the Square Peg, which is better, so you would still have the choice of the 51 or X51 from the same stop!
Don't think the original information made this clear ISTR?
Quote from: Stevo on July 11, 2023, 09:16:33 AMThe funny thing is they erected bus shelters and kerbs opposite the Square Peg some time ago on the inbound direction but I can't see these are being used.
Didn't they use those stops during the games last year
Quote from: Ginger66 on July 12, 2023, 06:47:51 AMDidn't they use those stops during the games last year
Would have had a job to with Bull Street dug up
In spite of what I posted earlier about the hole at the bottom of Lower Bull Street I saw yesterday that not only had it been filled in but tram tracks are already laid down to and partly across High St / Dale End. They'll still have to tarmac around them before the 23rd.
Quote from: Westy on July 11, 2023, 10:13:33 PMJust spotted @Stu 's Facebook article and it states that the 934 etc & X51 will also serve the Square Peg, which is better, so you would still have the choice of the 51 or X51 from the same stop!
Don't think the original information made this clear ISTR?
Anyone who looked at the new timetables on the TfWM website would have found out the same details, I'm not privy to any additional 'secret' information! :laugh:
Your average joe won't spend that much time, but hopefully staff will be on hand to assist.
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2023, 06:50:41 AMWould have had a job to with Bull Street dug up
Whilst lower bull street wasn't open to traffic and the stops in question not being used, the road was fully tarmac'd over during the duration of the games with the tracks already laid being covered up. It was dug up again after the games had finished.
why cant 33 51 907 pick up in carrs lane & move 4 to the stop out side primark
Quote from: Solo1 on July 13, 2023, 05:38:17 AMwhy cant 33 51 907 (tel:33%2051%20907) pick up in carrs lane & move 4 to the stop out side primark
Because that's where the 2 and 3 stop?
i know 2&3 stop there but could have 2 3 4/4A 5 & 6 all from outside Primark & m&s
Quote from: Solo1 on July 13, 2023, 06:05:10 AMi know 2&3 stop there but could have 2 3 4/4A 5 & 6 all from outside Primark & m&s
That's not a good idea, that lay-by isn't big enough, especially for their layover and how many services stop there.
Is there any chance of the 23/24 moving terminus to Colemore Row? St Martins Queensway just isn't suitable.
Quote from: Solo1 on July 13, 2023, 06:05:10 AMi know 2&3 stop there but could have 2 3 4/4A 5 & 6 all from outside Primark & m&s
Yes let's try and fit 3 buses (one 4, one 6 and one 2,3 or 5), o into a space long enough for two buses and block the city centre up
What can't they leave 33 51 where it is & 934etc Carr's lane
Quote from: Solo1 on July 13, 2023, 09:21:05 AMWhat can't they leave 33 51 where it is & 934etc Carr's lane
You have seen Carrs Lane where buses struggle to get past. imagine if you had 5 services loading there as well. Why are you so against using a stop at the Square Peg which has plenty of room, is as central to the city centre as any bus stop is nowadays and actually meets TfWM's own AQPS rules, where none of your suggestions do. TfWM are required to provide a stop where departures can be for four minutes to load passenger. If like the 50 service has more frequent departures between the two operators, then they provide a double length stop
Ah let them have Priory Queensway and put the east Birmingham/North Solihull buses back in the middle. Get the 14/94/95/x12/x13 back on Lower Bull Street.
Is the move temporary while they do the metro line
If the 45/7 moving to high st wouldnt of been better to of had 33 51 907 from high st & 934 Carr's lane & leave 45& 97 as they are
Quote from: Solo1 on July 17, 2023, 06:54:36 AMIf the 45/7 moving to high st wouldnt of been better to of had 33 51 907 from high st & 934 Carr's lane & leave 45& 97 as they are
And how would the 97 get to its current stop from next week ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 17, 2023, 09:14:21 AMAnd how would the 97 get to its current stop from next week ?
Is Dale End closing completely? That will mean the Stratford Road services won't be able to go along there...
Quote from: Jack on July 17, 2023, 02:18:49 PMIs Dale End closing completely? That will mean the Stratford Road services won't be able to go along there...
Yes, you can't put team tracks in without digging the road up
Quote from: Tony on July 17, 2023, 02:37:14 PMYes, you can't put team tracks in without digging the road up
So guessing the 4/4A will be diverting too? 2/3/5/6 can all do the current 45/47 loop?
Lots of unhappy people today with the stop changes. Mainly not happy that they have to walk further now with services at Square Peg. I can't understand why they had to be done, the bottle of Dale End is still open and everything can pass through fine...
Quote from: Jack on July 23, 2023, 02:27:21 PMLots of unhappy people today with the stop changes. Mainly not happy that they have to walk further now with services at Square Peg. I can't understand why they had to be done, the bottle of Dale End is still open and everything can pass through fine...
It won't be open as soon as the workers turn up to dig the road for the Tram tracks though will it
Quote from: Jack on July 23, 2023, 02:27:21 PMLots of unhappy people today with the stop changes. Mainly not happy that they have to walk further now with services at Square Peg. I can't understand why they had to be done, the bottle of Dale End is still open and everything can pass through fine...
Boo hoo. Swap them with the services that terminate on Priory Queensway or one of the other outer places.
From looking what stops at the Square Peg (PQ3 from looking at the map), are these the Walsall Road services? Are they not allowed to get on at the stop at the top of Carrs Lane (WS7)? The updated Birmingham City Centre map gives WS7 as a stop for the services stopping at PQ3.
Edit: I'm referring to this map: https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/ac0ehyx3/birmingham-city-centre-map-20230723.pdf
Quote from: ellspurs on July 23, 2023, 03:17:16 PMFrom looking what stops at the Square Peg (PQ3 from looking at the map), are these the Walsall Road services? Are they not allowed to get on at the stop at the top of Carrs Lane (WS7)? The updated Birmingham City Centre map gives WS7 as a stop for the services stopping at PQ3.
33, 51 and 907 use stop PQ3.
934, 935, 936, 937, 997 and X51 use stop MS7, but also call at PQ3 out of city.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/changes-to-birmingham-city-centre-stops
Quote from: Stu on July 23, 2023, 03:42:15 PM33, 51 and 907 use stop PQ3.
934, 935, 936, 937, 997 and X51 use stop MS7, but also call at PQ3 out of city.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/changes-to-birmingham-city-centre-stops
Ah well if they're that desperate to not walk the 200 metres up to the Square Peg, they can just catch one of those buses and get off at the Square Peg.
Quote from: Stu on July 23, 2023, 03:42:15 PM33, 51 and 907 use stop PQ3.
934, 935, 936, 937, 997 and X51 use stop MS7, but also call at PQ3 out of city.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/changes-to-birmingham-city-centre-stops
Currently nothing can use MS7....
Would make sense for the Sutton Services to go back to the Square Peg and release the Priory Queensway stop...
Quote from: Jack on July 23, 2023, 04:55:07 PMCurrently nothing can use MS7....
Would make sense for the Sutton Services to go back to the Square Peg and release the Priory Queensway stop...
No it wouldn't, it mean buses taking longer routes in the City Centre.
I'm glad the 907 are going from the Square because the Law Courts stop is just around the island instead of the Dale End stop when having to travel down Albert Street, Moor Street and Priory Queensway. So having the Sutton services having to go all the way around to the Square Peg stop is just unnecessary.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 23, 2023, 05:04:30 PMNo it wouldn't, it mean buses taking longer routes in the City Centre.
I'm glad the 907 are going from the Square because the Law Courts stop is just around the island instead of the Dale End stop when having to travel down Albert Street, Moor Street and Priory Queensway. So having the Sutton services having to go all the way around to the Square Peg stop is just unnecessary.
Take it you didn't read, but I was suggesting it because it means that something can then instead terminate on Priory Queensway, there was never an issue when they stopped there before. That stop can become quite a pain when there's more than 2 buses there.
I much prefer the stop at Dale End, it saves doing a walk all the way up, as what a lot of people i've heard today have said.
I wonder what will serve the stops opposite the Peg.
Regarding the stop changes, they will benefit some and not benefit others. If you work in the Square Peg or nearby and live in Newtown you'll be rubbing your hands with glee.
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 23, 2023, 06:08:44 PMRegarding the stop changes, they will benefit some and not benefit others. If you work in the Square Peg or nearby and live in Newtown you'll be rubbing your hands with glee.
On a random note, the Square Peg is closing for refurbishment (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/worst-pub-birmingham-close-huge-27352864) next month.
Quote from: Jack on July 23, 2023, 06:03:16 PMTake it you didn't read, but I was suggesting it because it means that something can then instead terminate on Priory Queensway, there was never an issue when they stopped there before. That stop can become quite a pain when there's more than 2 buses there.
I much prefer the stop at Dale End, it saves doing a walk all the way up, as what a lot of people i've heard today have said.
I wonder what will serve the stops opposite the Peg.
'Saves doing a walk all the way up'! You being serious? It takes a minute. Two whole minutes if you walk slow.
Running board 12/12 had a massive mistake on it yesterday the 1758 departure from Colmore row had 45 minutes to reach The Bear pub 1843 and total journey time of hour and half to Dudley bus station, driver was not amused. The next 12 left from city l15 MINUTES later 1813 with bear pub time of 1836 hilarious one.