Does anyone have any idea as to what other routes they could convert to west midlands bus? I was thinking about the 4 in Walsall but also NX double decker routes like the 16 and 50.
Quote from: bususer28 on July 29, 2020, 10:37:46 AM
Does anyone have any idea as to what other routes they could convert to west midlands bus? I was thinking about the 4 in Walsall but also NX double decker routes like the 16 and 50.
The 16 and 50 are very unlikely because all the other West Midlands Bus routes (31/32, 40, 42/3) had equal resources by both NX and Diamond, this is why it's not really possible on the 16 and 50. The 4 in Walsall could be done but the only way I could see that is if Diamond did all of the 4H and NX did all of the 4/4M
West Midlands Bus is handy for paper tickets but contactless isn't really set up for it. And that's a shame.
When will the WMBus livery be rolled out on all buses? I know it's hard for NX and Diamond specifically to repaint their buses as they've done that in their new liveries, so when can they repaint those into the WMBus livery?
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 13, 2020, 08:13:52 PM
When will the WMBus livery be rolled out on all buses? I know it's hard for NX and Diamond specifically to repaint their buses as they've done that in their new liveries, so when can they repaint those into the WMBus livery?
They won't, except for joint routes
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2020, 08:21:17 PM
They won't, except for joint routes
Oh ok. Makes sense.
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2020, 08:21:17 PM
They won't, except for joint routes
I thought that Andy Street's plan was for all public transport to have the same brand like in London but it seems like that's not what he had in mind.
It had occured to me that Central garage ,is, albeit by a narrow margin,
within the proposed clean air zone scheduled for 2021? if this legislation is
implemented will there be any changes to the fleet at BC?... and will drivers be
required to pay a clean air 'fee' every working day to park their cars? :o :o
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2020, 08:21:17 PM
They won't, except for joint routes
From what I've heard and seen all buses should be having the West Midlands Bus emblom on them, if not the colour as well. I know that the joint routes have to be done first, but from what
@Tony said, I don't understand, why the rest of the buses won't either be painted in the bus brand or just have the emblom on them?
Quote from: windy miller on August 19, 2020, 03:17:24 AM
It had occured to me that Central garage ,is, albeit by a narrow margin,
within the proposed clean air zone scheduled for 2021? if this legislation is
implemented will there be any changes to the fleet at BC?... and will drivers be
required to pay a clean air 'fee' every working day to park their cars? :o :o
I believe that one is earmarked for closure, it just depends on how soon they close it.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 19, 2020, 07:14:49 PM
I believe that one is earmarked for closure, it just depends on how soon they close it.
It is within the zone, bust as every route they operate runs into the zone it makes no difference whatsoever. People who's employment is within the zone can apply for a year's grace from paying the fee.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 19, 2020, 07:09:46 PM
From what I've heard and seen all buses should be having the West Midlands Bus emblom on them, if not the colour as well. I know that the joint routes have to be done first, but from what @Tony said, I don't understand, why the rest of the buses won't either be painted in the bus brand or just have the emblom on them?
It was a floating idea a while ago, but it's not a very practical idea as there are many complications. Who's going to cover the sheer cost of not only painting the vehicles, but the cost of having vehicles off the road being painted? What about smaller operators who may not be able to have vehicles off the road being painted, or the facilities to do so?
There's already some sort of logo on vehicles in the shape of the NWM stickers, showing what tickets are accepted etc.
Quote from: Pat on August 20, 2020, 01:20:53 PM
It was a floating idea a while ago, but it's not a very practical idea as there are many complications. Who's going to cover the sheer cost of not only painting the vehicles, but the cost of having vehicles off the road being painted? What about smaller operators who may not be able to have vehicles off the road being painted, or the facilities to do so?
There's already some sort of logo on vehicles in the shape of the NWM stickers, showing what tickets are accepted etc.
I would have though while the buses are off the road already being painted or fixed thst they could add the new emblom on to the bus and get rid of the ostickers or have those updated? From what Andy said in a press relese some time ago now, there were going to be three different colours. Blue metro (which has already been done)!, orange for trais (I think) which sounds right as its the colour of WMR, and red for bus (again I think) Yes I know most of NX fleet are crimzon (a sort of red) but there's no sign of the emblom on the buses so when they go in to be painted (if not already) then surely the emblom should be appied?
The other issue is cross boundary services especially those supported by other authorities other than tfwm!!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
I would have though while the buses are off the road already being painted or fixed thst they could add the new emblom on to the bus and get rid of the ostickers or have those updated? From what Andy said in a press relese some time ago now, there were going to be three different colours. Blue metro (which has already been done)!, orange for trais (I think) which sounds right as its the colour of WMR, and red for bus (again I think) Yes I know most of NX fleet are crimzon (a sort of red) but there's no sign of the emblom on the buses so when they go in to be painted (if not already) then surely the emblom should be appied?
But there are (and will be once all new deliveries etc are done) a lot of trains operating within the west midlands run by different operators without the emblem, so why should all bus operators?
Quote from: Kevin on August 20, 2020, 03:23:47 PM
But there are (and will be once all new deliveries etc are done) a lot of trains operating within the west midlands run by different operators without the emblem, so why should all bus operators?
I thnk the current fleet (before all other orders are delivered should have had the emblom on them) . Same with the train operators Especially WMR and Virgin (now Avanti).
What does the symbol achieve? Is it not a bus without a logo stating West Midlands Bus?
More regulations, more money wasted...
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 04:07:25 PM
I thnk the current fleet (before all other orders are delivered should have had the emblom on them) . Same with the train operators Especially WMR and Virgin (now Avanti).
Really? Trains in London and the North West carrying a local West Mids emblem? Why?
Quote from: Kevin on August 20, 2020, 04:23:19 PM
Really? Trains in London and the North West carrying a local West Mids emblem? Why?
Yes really.
It doesn't really matter wher the train goes. it just shows that within the west midlands its done as a partnership.. Maybe the train company could have something added to it to show why it has this emblom on it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 04:38:13 PM
Yes really.
It doesn't really matter wher the train goes. it just shows that within the west midlands its done as a partnership.. Maybe the train company could have something added to it to show why it has this emblom on it.
Why? It carries absolutely no significance to anyone. Neither in the West Midlands or London.
Quote from: Pat on August 20, 2020, 04:45:49 PM
Why? It carries absolutely no significance to anyone. Neither in the West Midlands or London.
If people in the West Midlands are that interested in the bus network or travelling on the buses they'll know what the emblom stands for. I get where you're coming from on the London bit of the augument. Really though if the train companies are so agains the idea of intergrated transportand having the emblom on their trains then I suppose they don't have to have it on.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 04:38:13 PM
Yes really.
It doesn't really matter wher the train goes. it just shows that within the west midlands its done as a partnership.. Maybe the train company could have something added to it to show why it has this emblom on it.
Why would the West Midlands logo take priority over TfL or Merseyside ones on trains that serve all 3 areas?
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2020, 04:58:17 PM
Why would the West Midlands logo take priority over TfL or Merseyside ones on trains that serve all 3 areas?
Because the other areas aren't on the same wave length as Andy Street doesn't mean that the trains can't have one emblom on it which doesn't correspond to that said area. Maybe though they could have all three on?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 05:06:52 PM
Because the other areas aren't on the same wave length as Andy Street doesn't mean that the trains can't have one emblom on it which doesn't correspond to that said area. Maybe though they could have all three on?
Now you are talking rubbish TfL is far more high profile
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2020, 05:08:37 PM
Now you are talking rubbish TfL is far more high profile
I'm not talking rubbish thank you very much. I know what I'm saying sounds a bit far fetched but if Andy Street said that alll train compains and Bus companies will have the same colour and branding in the West Midalnds it wouldbe a lot better coordinated. As I said I thnk he said orange for train and it was Red for bus. and then the emblom. So I am not tslking rubbish. yes I agree that TFL are far more high profile but (within the West Midlands) So are TfWM.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 05:20:47 PM
I'm not talking rubbish thank you very much. I know what I'm saying sounds a bit far fetched but if Andy Street said that alll train compains and Bus companies will have the same colour and branding in the West Midalnds it wouldbe a lot better coordinated. As I said I thnk he said orange for train and it was Red for bus. and then the emblom. So I am not tslking rubbish. yes I agree that TFL are far more high profile but (within the West Midlands) So are TfWM.
Quote from: Pat on August 20, 2020, 04:45:49 PM
Why? It carries absolutely no significance to anyone. Neither in the West Midlands or London.
So tell me this then why are all bus timetables going to be produced as West Midlands Bus Branded from now on. If it doesn't carry any significance to people in the west midlands? it must mean something or they wouldn't be produceing timetables with the emblom that is on the WMN website and words on it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 05:51:15 PM
So tell me this then why are all bus timetables going to be produced as West Midlands Bus Branded from now on. If it doesn't carry any significance to people in the west midlands? it must mean something or they wouldn't be produceing timetables with the emblom that is on the WMN website and words on it.
The reason why the trains to London don't carry the WM emblem it's because it's from London Northwestern which is a different entity to WM Trains.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 05:20:47 PM
I'm not talking rubbish thank you very much. I know what I'm saying sounds a bit far fetched but if Andy Street said that alll train compains and Bus companies will have the same colour and branding in the West Midalnds it wouldbe a lot better coordinated. As I said I thnk he said orange for train and it was Red for bus. and then the emblom. So I am not tslking rubbish. yes I agree that TFL are far more high profile but (within the West Midlands) So are TfWM.
To be honest, you really are talking rubbish. I think you're reading too far into this here. Mr Street would have been referring to local trains that operate solely within the West Midlands. Why would an Avanti service going to Glasgow need to be integrated within the same network as a train going to Walsall?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
If people in the West Midlands are that interested in the bus network or travelling on the buses they'll know what the emblom stands for.
To be honest, nobody really cares about all this integrated sh*t. All people want is a train, bus or metro to turn up on or near the time that is on the timetable and will get them to where they want to go. Ask the real people who rely on public transport every day. I'd say 80% of them haven't got a clue what West Midlands Network is.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 05:51:15 PM
So tell me this then why are all bus timetables going to be produced as West Midlands Bus Branded from now on. If it doesn't carry any significance to people in the west midlands? it must mean something or they wouldn't be produceing timetables with the emblom that is on the WMN website and words on it.
Because they are the people who produce the large printed timetables at stops and the leaflets at bus stations. Nobody really pays any attention to it. They just want to know when the bus is coming. When you buy something such as a pack of batteries, does the logo on them really have any significance to you?
Quote from: Pat on August 20, 2020, 06:01:04 PM
To be honest, you really are talking rubbish. I think you're reading too far into this here. Mr Street would have been referring to local trains that operate solely within the West Midlands. Why would an Avanti service going to Glasgow need to be integrated within the same network as a train going to Walsall?
To be honest, nobody really cares about all this integrated sh*t. All people want is a train, bus or metro to turn up on or near the time that is on the timetable and will get them to where they want to go. Ask the real people who rely on public transport every day. I'd say 80% of them haven't got a clue what West Midlands Network is.
Because they are the people who produce the large printed timetables at stops and the leaflets at bus stations. Nobody really pays any attention to it. They just want to know when the bus is coming. When you buy something such as a pack of batteries, does the logo on them really have any significance to you?
Ok then so why are the local trains carrying the logo now they have been painted?
May be I am reading into Mr Streets press release too far. However some of the timetables are not produced by TfWM anymore yes the big ones at the stops & bus stations are but the ones that you'd pick up from the travelshops aren't. ther are either produced by TfWM (for some of them) or are produced by the operator and then printed by TWM. All of which have got the emblom on and the words West Midlands Network.
Yes I know that most people who want to travel just want to know when the bus is coming and where they are going but there are som people who would like to know what tickest are available on the service and whether the ticket they've got is valid on it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 06:13:48 PM
Ok then so why are the local trains carrying the logo now they have been painted?
May be I am reading into Mr Streets press release too far. However some of the timetables are not produced by TfWM anymore yes the big ones at the stops & bus stations are but the ones that you'd pick up from the travelshops aren't. ther are either produced by TfWM (for some of them) or are produced by the operator and then printed by TWM. All of which have got the emblom on and the words West Midlands Network.
Yes I know that most people who want to travel just want to know when the bus is coming and where they are going but there are som people who would like to know what tickest are available on the service and whether the ticket they've got is valid on it.
1) Because that is the WMR logo! Google it.
2) That's what I was referring to. WMN/TfWM print the timetables. Think of it like this: you produce a product. Rather than place it in plain white packaging, you'd put your logo on it, wouldn't you?
3) If you look on the sides of the buses, they have a large sticker which shows what tickets are sold/accepted. Anyway, the majority of operators (bar Select who are the only one I can think of) accept nBus etc.
Ain't it just the same as the old Centro logo over trains/busstops/timetables/website etc.?
Or the Network West Midlands logo which replaced all that?
Quote from: ellspurs on August 20, 2020, 06:23:10 PM
Ain't it just the same as the old Centro logo over trains/busstops/timetables/website etc.?
Or the Network West Midlands logo which replaced all that?
That's exactly what it is. Just a logo!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 20, 2020, 06:13:48 PM
Ok then so why are the local trains carrying the logo now they have been painted?
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Because that's the livery and emblem (or emblom if you insist) of the operator.
Instantly thought of the discussion in this topic when I saw this the other day (being modelled by 350122), not sure if this sticker is a one off though or actually being rolled out across the fleet. I do think this is a smart idea by Abellio for a change!
Does anyone know if diamond still accept NX tickets on their WMB services?
Quote from: bususer28 on October 18, 2021, 10:08:20 PM
Does anyone know if diamond still accept NX tickets on their WMB services?
till end of September when wmbus ends
Quote from: Solo1 on October 19, 2021, 05:47:28 AM
till end of September when wmbus ends
Thought they extended it while still talking?
Nothing has popped up on social media since it was last discussed!
Quote from: Westy on October 19, 2021, 07:09:26 AM
Thought they extended it while still talking?
Nothing has popped up on social media since it was last discussed!
Yep. The ticket acceptance has remained in place for the time being, whilst discussions are still ongoing.
Quote from: bususer28 on October 18, 2021, 10:08:20 PM
Does anyone know if diamond still accept NX tickets on their WMB services?
They are still accepting NX tickets.
See this thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6026.0
Glad the partnership has resumed i think partly the pandemic had a lot to play with it terminating early due to low passenger numbers.
Quote from: Ginger66 on December 03, 2021, 06:47:21 PM
Glad the partnership has resumed i think partly the pandemic had a lot to play with it terminating early due to low passenger numbers.
I didn't think low passenger numbers was the issue ?
It wasnt.
Simon has already gone into detail on here what the issue was.