The MD in an email today confirmed that National Express have won the JLR contract currently run by DeCourcey & Silverline
That's a fair chunk of additional work for NX I believe, with both Coaches & Buses currently employed.
I bet that's come as a shock to DeCourcey & Silverline.
I take it those coaches nx got a few weeks ago will be used along with
buses from different depots ,Will the staff on the contacts move
To nx to run them
No doubt nx offered the cheapest price there- that the likes of the small operators couldn't really match
Will they be using the second hand buses that Tony mentioned are due into the fleet? Or is it all too early to say?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 06, 2018, 06:34:58 PM
No doubt nx offered the cheapest price there- that the likes of the small operators couldn't really match
No. Small operators can normally beat NX on price hence why most all day TfWM tenders are other operators. It is more than just cost.
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2018, 06:46:20 PM
No. Small operators can normally beat NX on price hence why most all day TfWM tenders are other operators. It is more than just cost.
But nx makes more money off commercial services than tenders hence its lack of tendered routes?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 06, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
But nx makes more money off commercial services than tenders hence its lack of tendered routes?
So why would they bid for the JLR then? The reason NX cannot make money of TfWM tenders is because smaller operators can run them cheaper so win the bids.
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2018, 07:08:13 PM
So why would they bid for the JLR then? The reason NX cannot make money of TfWM tenders is because smaller operators can run them cheaper so win the bids.
Why can't nx make money of tenders?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 06, 2018, 08:10:06 PM
Why can't nx make money of tenders?
As I've put above, smaller operators can put in cheaper bids, so to win a tender you need to match that price or lower, so if your costs are higher (NX pay the highest wages of the stage carriage operators) even if you win the tender you don't make money. Diamond have the same problem bidding against Igo.
Tenders for odd journies are different because if it is on a route NX already run then it is cheaper for NX to send a bus out for an extra hours than for another operator to send a bus from garage for one trip unless they also have a route starting after the tendered run finishes
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
As I've put above, smaller operators can put in cheaper bids, so to win a tender you need to match that price or lower, so if your costs are higher (NX pay the highest wages of the stage carriage operators) even if you win the tender you don't make money. Diamond have the same problem bidding against Igo.
Tenders for odd journies are different because if it is on a route NX already run then it is cheaper for NX to send a bus out for an extra hours than for another operator to send a bus from garage for one trip unless they also have a route starting after the tendered run finishes
Oh I see I've never thought about it like that regarding nx paying the best. Thanks for the useful info.
Let's see if Perry Barr get some of this JLR work be good to see them on it too aswell as other garages
What's the starting rate per hour at NX and what's the length of an average duty?
Quote from: Nxwm on March 06, 2018, 08:40:36 PM
Let's see if Perry Barr get some of this JLR work be good to see them on it too aswell as other garages
Considering we are so many drivers short at the minute, unless things improve then I can't see us getting anything at the time being
So is it a little odd that NXWM will operate the evening and Sunday journeys on Walsall 37? Does it make a difference that many of them interchange with the 41?
The buses for the 37 in Walsall might come of the 34 /39 service
The JLR contracts go to the Gaydon site, 10 miles south of Warwick and well out of NXWM's area. Interesting!
Quote from: Stevo on March 07, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
The JLR contracts go to the Gaydon site, 10 miles south of Warwick and well out of NXWM's area. Interesting!
They go to JLR Castle Brom in Castle Vale and JLR Solihull as well from Birmingham International.
Decourcey often use B7TL ALX400 and there Olympus on there contract to JLR Castle Brom when i've seen it at Spitfire Island.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on March 07, 2018, 08:05:27 AM
So is it a little odd that NXWM will operate the evening and Sunday journeys on Walsall 37? Does it make a difference that many of them interchange with the 41?
Will the Thandi journeys finally appear in the Nwm timetable leaflet?
It will look as if there is no service on the route during daytimes otherwise
Will Coventry Garage be operating this contract ? If they are then I wonder how they'll manage given the driver shortage there ?
Quote from: 2206 on March 07, 2018, 09:59:14 PM
They go to JLR Castle Brom in Castle Vale and JLR Solihull as well from Birmingham International.
Decourcey often use B7TL ALX400 and there Olympus on there contract to JLR Castle Brom when i've seen it at Spitfire Island.
The JLR contract will provide services to/from all 5 West Midlands/Warwickshire based JLR manfacturing sites.
Quote from: TT90 on March 07, 2018, 10:28:18 PM
Will Coventry Garage be operating this contract ? If they are then I wonder how they'll manage given the driver shortage there ?
It's already been mentioned that multiple garages will operate the contract and that existing drivers will be transferred to NXWM under TUPE. (Transfer of Undertakings, Protection of Employment)
When are NX taking over the contract with a start date ?
Wonder how many garages will be involved. ;)
Quote from: TT90 on March 15, 2018, 09:16:20 PM
When are NX taking over the contract with a start date ?
Wonder how many garages will be involved. ;)
It's in two stages. First bit starts from AG 1/4/18
How long is it running for Tony ?
I guess BC will also be involved as well as PB / CV perhaps ?
Hope it does well for NX and NX do it well ;)
Quote from: TT90 on March 15, 2018, 09:36:58 PM
How long is it running for Tony ?
I guess BC will also be involved as well as PB / CV perhaps ?
Hope it does well for NX and NX do it well ;)
It'd be for a few years wouldn't it? Decourcey have had Birmingham International - Jaguar, Castle Bromwich for a few years now?
Quote from: Tony on March 15, 2018, 09:30:59 PM
It's in two stages. First bit starts from AG 1/4/18
What will be the difference between the 2 stages?
Different contracts for different sites?
Be nice to see what buses they'll use on it too. Any Ideas ? ;)
Which garages will be operating which sites Tony ?
I've heard WN Drivers are being offered the chance to volunteer and work on this contract from BC ;)
How was the first day on the contract for national express?