Right boys and girls X10 limited stop quinton to Birmingham
Which stops do you think should be the stops ?
Out:
- Colmore Row
- Broad St, Sheepcote St
- Hagley Road, Ivy Bush
- Hagley Road, Manor Road
- Hagley Road West, Bearwood Interchange
- Hagley Road West, Wolverhampton Road
- Hagley Road West, Quinton Lane Island
... Of course, it will be interesting to see what stops it will serve; I think my choices are reasonable for the uestion, considering..
Quote from: clayderman on May 05, 2016, 08:01:07 PM
Out:
- Colmore Row
- Broad St, Sheepcote St
- Hagley Road, Ivy Bush
- Hagley Road, Manor Road
- Hagley Road West, Bearwood Interchange
- Hagley Road West, Wolverhampton Road
- Hagley Road West, Quinton Lane Island
... Of course, it will be interesting to see what stops it will serve; I think my choices are reasonable for the uestion, considering..
Hagley Road, Francis Road as well for passengers who want the top end of Broad Street/Five Ways
Colmore row all stops to five ways
First stop Hagley road after five ways under pass
Ivy bush
Portland road
Gillett road
Sandon road
Bearwood after lights
Wolverhampton road
Jeffersons
Quinton
Personally, I think from Birmingham city centre, it will serve all stops as far as Five Ways, Francis Road, from there it should go limited stop along the Hagley Road.
Somewhat akin to the 900/957 between Hay Mills and Yardley, where it serves alternate stops.
Personally...
- All stops on Broad Street
- Bearwood
- Wolverhampton Road
- Quinton (Toby carvery whatever that stop is actually called)
- Quinton Church
- Quinton Long Lane
- Halesowen
...Then all stops.
Really doubt it'd be that good an express route though, will probably just end up being a half arsed affair like the 900/957 between Hay Mills and Sheldon
Oh, please tell me there not going ahead with this daft idea??
Quote from: Kevin on May 05, 2016, 08:25:00 PM
Personally...
- All stops on Broad Street
- Bearwood
- Wolverhampton Road
- Quinton (Toby carvery whatever that stop is actually called)
- Quinton Church
- Quinton Long Lane
- Halesowen
...Then all stops.
Really doubt it'd be that good an express route though, will probably just end up being a half arsed affair like the 900/957 between Hay Mills and Sheldon
The real big advantage of the 900 and 957 though is that stretch along Small Heath Highway, but then again any advantage is lost if the traffic is bad. But on a good day, like this evening, I did get from Bordesley Station to Swan Island in 9 minutes! :D
On I'm not fully knowledgeable on that side of the City but as long at it stays "limited" stop then good. The X51 after city stops somewhere after Perry Barr so as it follows a similar set up, ideally after Bearwood and take advantage of any highways.
Quote from: Kevin on May 05, 2016, 08:25:00 PM
Personally...
- All stops on Broad Street
- Bearwood
- Wolverhampton Road
- Quinton (Toby carvery whatever that stop is actually called)
- Quinton Church
- Quinton Long Lane
- Halesowen
...Then all stops.
Really doubt it'd be that good an express route though, will probably just end up being a half arsed affair like the 900/957 between Hay Mills and Sheldon
You see, now this is where it confuses me - has it been confirmed that it'll follow more or less the same route as the 141?
I wasn't sure if, after Quinton Lane Island (AKA Toby Carvery ;) ), if the route would go on to use the Quinton Expressway. ???
Quote from: clayderman on May 05, 2016, 09:37:44 PM
You see, now this is where it confuses me - has it been confirmed that it'll follow more or less the same route as the 141?
I wasn't sure if, after Quinton Lane Island (AKA Toby Carvery ;) ), if the route would go on to use the Quinton Expressway. ???
Maybe it could use Quinton Expessway and Manor Way.
Like the old 19 or 919 they didn't work why will this?
Is the limited stop strictly between Birmingham - Quinton or will it apply to the whole route ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 06, 2016, 12:01:20 AM
Like the old 19 or 919 they didn't work why will this?
X51 works, why won't this? Times change
Quote from: Kevin on May 06, 2016, 07:23:55 AM
X51 works, why won't this? Times change
It will work because it will no doubt use upgraded buses and is a like for like replacement of an existing route, just with a few less stops. Whether it will knock much time off journeys in rush hour remains to be seen. The X51 is an Express route that uses the underpasses and flyovers and has genuine limited stopping. Limited stopping across a section of road that can be a slow crawl into and out of town during peaks might not bring the same benefits.
Quote from: Mike K on May 06, 2016, 07:32:17 AM
It will work because it will no doubt use upgraded buses and is a like for like replacement of an existing route, just with a few less stops. Whether it will knock much time off journeys in rush hour remains to be seen. The X51 is an Express route that uses the underpasses and flyovers and has genuine limited stopping. Limited stopping across a section of road that can be a slow crawl into and out of town during peaks might not bring the same benefits.
The idea that the X51 works because of the flyovers etc doesn't explain the people that use it over the normal 51 between Great Barr and Walsall
I've never used the X51 so can't comment, but is it quicker than the 51 over that section?
I'm sure the X10 will be quicker than all stop services along the Hagley Road for much of the day, but am not convinced it will deliver much in the way of time savings in rush hour, that's all. If it's upgraded to Platinum, that in itself may make it a more attractive proposition than other routes on that corridor.
Stopping places announced from five ways to quinton
Quote from: karl724223 on June 29, 2016, 06:07:28 PM
Stopping places announced from five ways to quinton
QuoteX10 serves all bus stops between Birmingham and Five Ways (Francis Road) and then stops only at Portland Road, Gillot Road, Fountain Road, Bearwood Interchange, Wolverhampton Road, Quinton Lane, Quinton Church, then all stops to Merry Hill and Pensnett.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-24th-july-
Sadly, you'll probably have more along the Hagley Road as what I saw this evening on the 957... heading towards Swan Island, a couple of women at the Gladys Road stop (between Deakins Road and Kathleen Road) tried flagging down the bus, then started shouting at the bus as the driver sailed past. 900/957 do not serve that stop, not shown on the flag or printed timetable. And I think it's one of those electronic 'flags' so they wouldn't have shown the 900/957 on the departure display either.
Cue loads of complaints from passengers waiting at the Ivy Bush stop, "disgusted that the bus just drove straight past, it wasn't even full!" etc...
Quote from: Stu on June 29, 2016, 06:44:50 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-24th-july-
Sadly, you'll probably have more along the Hagley Road as what I saw this evening on the 957... heading towards Swan Island, a couple of women at the Gladys Road stop (between Deakins Road and Kathleen Road) tried flagging down the bus, then started shouting at the bus as the driver sailed past. 900/957 do not serve that stop, not shown on the flag or printed timetable. And I think it's one of those electronic 'flags' so they wouldn't have shown the 900/957 on the departure display either.
Cue loads of complaints from passengers waiting at the Ivy Bush stop, "disgusted that the bus just drove straight past, it wasn't even full!" etc...
its stopping at the ivy bush
Nobody been on it yet no comments ??
Went on it yesterday from bearwood to Halesowen all be it not the best of the route, though I noticed it stops every stop from quinton church to Halesowen?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 26, 2016, 07:41:09 PM
Went on it yesterday from bearwood to Halesowen all be it not the best of the route, though I noticed it stops every stop from quinton church to Halesowen?
http://beta.nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/141-becomes-the-x10-from-sunday-24th-july
It's only limited stop between Five Ways and Quinton Church.
Quote from: Stu on July 26, 2016, 07:45:16 PM
http://beta.nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/141-becomes-the-x10-from-sunday-24th-july
It's only limited stop between Five Ways and Quinton Church.
Looking at timetable not much quicker than 9. Maximum 5 minutes.
I find it laughable that on the destination it says "Express Service ". Is it heck! Limited stop yes, but not express
Quote from: Dom on July 26, 2016, 08:27:45 PM
I find it laughable that on the destination it says "Express Service ". Is it heck! Limited stop yes, but not express
Exactly!!!
Get a late 9 and can do it in same time as x10.
I guess the X and Express will fool your average Joe. I reckon it will grow, especially with the new buses etc
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 26, 2016, 08:29:15 PM
Exactly!!!
Get a late 9 and can do it in same time as x10.
More stops should have been missed out. It would have made the running time quick. I reckon they should have just kept it limited stop throughout the whole route, much like the X51.
Quote from: Dom on July 26, 2016, 08:27:45 PM
I find it laughable that on the destination it says "Express Service ". Is it heck! Limited stop yes, but not express
Yes i spotted that and meant to mention it.
How can it be Express when the odd jorney takes longer than the 141 did.
No doubt after a while, it will become like the X96, stopping at all stops again but keeping the number X10.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 26, 2016, 10:32:08 PM
More stops should have been missed out. It would have made the running time quick. I reckon they should have just kept it limited stop throughout the whole route, much like the X51.
The X51 has the 51 operating alongside it though. If the X10 did that many passengers at stops between Merry Hill and Quinton would lose links to Quinton/Halesowen/Merry Hill/ Birmingham City Centre as no other service operates alongside it between Merry Hill and Quinton.
@GeminiFan1991
The X10 shares a stop in Colmore Row with the 10 / 10H operated by igo. Let's hope people don't confuse them for the same route!
Quote from: fleetline6477 on July 27, 2016, 06:34:40 PM
The X10 shares a stop in Colmore Row with the 10 / 10H operated by igo. Let's hope people don't confuse them for the same route!
A few passengers already have, they got to merry hill and asked the driver when do they get to tesco.
Quote from: pndriver on August 01, 2016, 09:07:58 PM
A few passengers already have, they got to merry hill and asked the driver when do they get to tesco.
When it goes through Cradley Heath ;)
Personally I do feel as though the route needs to be made quicker, the limited stop between Birmingham and Quinton is good but it should ideally be like that for the whole route, even missing out every other stop would increase the running time
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 01, 2016, 09:20:12 PM
Personally I do feel as though the route needs to be made quicker, the limited stop between Birmingham and Quinton is good but it should ideally be like that for the whole route, even missing out every other stop would increase the running time
From my experience driving it, it is pretty quick how it is at the moment. I know other drivers won't agree with me but I don't feel that it needs as much time as it has got between Quinton and Merry Hill but I suppose this helps keep the bus on time if it gets held up at another point of the route
Quote from: pndriver on August 01, 2016, 09:24:49 PM
From my experience driving it, it is pretty quick how it is at the moment. I know other drivers won't agree with me but I don't feel that it needs as much time as it has got between Quinton and Merry Hill but I suppose this helps keep the bus on time if it gets held up at another point of the route
Your view is better than mine as you have first hand experience. I'm just looking at it compared to its previous route. It's limited stop now but only a few extra minutes are saved which seems awfully less. My understanding is X prefixed routes denote express or quick routes and if it's going to warrant some Platinums, I feel as though the overall journey should be much quicker.
Maybe they could reinstate the 141 and keep the 2 services running alongside each other like the 51 and X51
I'm wondering if once the Platinums arrive, those few minutes might just get cancelled out anyway as more people let the 9 pass and jump on the "posh bus" X10 instead if they can see it coming behind. The X51 has seen an increase in people switching from the 51 so maybe the same will happen for customers travelling as far as Halesowen?
Quote from: V89MOA on August 01, 2016, 10:23:09 PM
I'm wondering if once the Platinums arrive, those few minutes might just get cancelled out anyway as more people let the 9 pass and jump on the "posh bus" X10 instead if they can see it coming behind. The X51 has seen an increase in people switching from the 51 so maybe the same will happen for customers travelling as far as Halesowen?
They won't let the 9 pass, I've tried convincing passengers waiting on colmore row that the X10 is quicker than the 9 and they still choose to catch the 9, I've told them they can catch the X10 and be on a 9 which left before the one they're waiting for. Some people are catching the X10 the others are stuck in a routine. The passengers who catch the X10 are really pleased how fast the journey is overall.
Quote from: pndriver on August 01, 2016, 10:41:32 PM
They won't let the 9 pass, I've tried convincing passengers waiting on colmore row that the X10 is quicker than the 9 and they still choose to catch the 9, I've told them they can catch the X10 and be on a 9 which left before the one they're waiting for. Some people are catching the X10 the others are stuck in a routine. The passengers who catch the X10 are really pleased how fast the journey is overall.
That's quite surprising actually but I guess you do get some stubborn people who won't change their routine even if it benefits them. I might give the X10 a try this weekend and see how much quicker it is, everyone on here is saying positive things about it!
May be when Platinums start appearing on the X10 people might give it a go.
The 9 is a well established route that hasn't changed in years
The X10,s that I have driven passengers have given a positive response on the limited stop section timings for the route are good at the moment we'll have to see what it's like when the kids go back to school when there's more traffic on the road
Might also be better when buses start using broad street outbound again
So after being a passenger on the X10 for the first time. I'm not surprised passengers are saying it's no faster than it was before.
What's the point of an express/limited stop service if the driver is going to wait behind buses at stops which the X10 doesn't serve?
When I'm on there I'm changing between lanes like I was taught when i did my training, I thought the idea of defensive driving was to be able to read the road ahead while keeping the bus moving. Not to wait behind 2 9's and a 126. My passengers are usually in Bearwood before the 126 and change over there. But I guess all drivers have different driving styles, hence my gold traffilog score.
Quote from: pndriver on August 12, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
But I guess all drivers have different driving styles, hence my gold traffilog score.
Not bragging there at all
@pndriver ;) ;)
Quote from: Dom on August 12, 2016, 05:15:48 PM
Not bragging there at all @pndriver ;) ;)
hes colour blind there Bronz really
@Dom @pndriver
Caught the X10 for the first time today. Seemed quick, but then I usually get either the 127 or 129. At one stop, someone tried to flag the bus down, didn't look to happy when it drove past. Makes you wonder how many people bother checking the timetable.
On the way back, I caught the 9, which stopped at almost every stop. Certainly made the X10 seem more attractive.
I caught the X10 last Sunday, you certainly notice the difference when the traffic is quieter on the Hagley Road, got from Colmore Row to Bearwood in just over 12 mins.
But there still seems to be a lack of awareness that this is a 'limited stop' service (perhaps when the Platinum vehicles arrive with the audio/visual announcements, that may help), especially as I watched a woman with a pushchair wait helplessly as the driver drove past three stops after this woman believed he would stop at the next one.
Quote from: S570 on August 12, 2016, 06:53:27 PM
At one stop, someone tried to flag the bus down, didn't look to happy when it drove past. Makes you wonder how many people bother checking the timetable.
I see this now on the Coventry Road, with the 900/957 services; people at the Heybarnes Circus and Gladys Road stops waving their arms out and then inevitably sticking their finger up! I even saw one delightful woman mouthing "its a f**king bus stop so why don't you stop?" the once!
Quote from: karl724223 on August 12, 2016, 05:24:09 PM
hes colour blind there Bronz really @Dom @pndriver
Must be dyslexic too lol
@karl724223 @Dom Gold is written through the medal 8)
Quote from: pndriver on August 12, 2016, 08:36:05 PM
Must be dyslexic too lol @karl724223 @Dom
Gold is written through the medal 8)
Hahaha, must be a typo lmao! ;D
Quote from: Stu on August 12, 2016, 07:32:26 PM
I caught the X10 last Sunday, you certainly notice the difference when the traffic is quieter on the Hagley Road, got from Colmore Row to Bearwood in just over 12 mins.
But there still seems to be a lack of awareness that this is a 'limited stop' service (perhaps when the Platinum vehicles arrive with the audio/visual announcements, that may help), especially as I watched a woman with a pushchair wait helplessly as the driver drove past three stops after this woman believed he would stop at the next one.
I see this now on the Coventry Road, with the 900/957 services; people at the Heybarnes Circus and Gladys Road stops waving their arms out and then inevitably sticking their finger up! I even saw one delightful woman mouthing "its a f**king bus stop so why don't you stop?" the once!
It's like the x51, it's amazing how many hostages you take that thought you stopped in Newtown!
X10 blinds now read limited stop not express service