PD1014764/1 - GEORGE RONALD MOLE & STEVEN JOHN MOLE T/A HOLLAND COACHES, PO BOX 175, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7RA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Bus Station and Cookley/Caunsall given service number 9/9A effective from 20-May-2016.
A true end of era Hollands looks to be pulling the 9 Kidderminster - Cookley they have been running this service since the early 1970s. :'(
http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/vosa_selfserviceopbusregsearchresults_new.asp (http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/vosa_selfserviceopbusregsearchresults_new.asp)
Reece
anything about Hollands only other service
CLOWS TOP – CLEOBURY MORTIMER 220 Via Mamble and Bayton Service operated by Hollands Coaches
Quote from: Cedric on April 01, 2016, 05:08:24 PM
Reece
anything about Hollands only other service
CLOWS TOP – CLEOBURY MORTIMER 220 Via Mamble and Bayton Service operated by Hollands Coaches
It was withdrawn last year
Is the 9/9A a commercial service or tendered?
Quote from: Winston on April 01, 2016, 05:43:54 PM
Is the 9/9A a commercial service or tendered?
I am not aware of it being tendered directly but I think WCC gives Hollands some money towards the 9/9A. But as I say they have been running the service for so long Hollands and WCC might have some kind of long term deal.
Quote from: Reece on April 01, 2016, 05:40:55 PM
It was withdrawn last year
@Reece VOSA still show the service as registered and Traveline have a timetable for the 220, albeit just 1 trip each way on Wednesdays.
Quote from: Reece on April 01, 2016, 05:56:34 PM
I am not aware of it being tendered directly but I think WCC gives Hollands some money towards the 9/9A. But as I say they have been running the service for so long Hollands and WCC might have some kind of long term deal.
Does the service carry many passengers? I wonder if Diamond or another might provide a replacement service
Quote from: Winston on April 01, 2016, 06:27:24 PM
Does the service carry many passengers? I wonder if Diamond or another might provide a replacement service
Well they use mini buses on the 9/9A the service is hourly and has some good loadings thought out the day as it is the only bus that servers the large village of Cookley and the smaller village of Caunsall.
Quote from: Winston on April 01, 2016, 06:27:24 PM
Does the service carry many passengers? I wonder if Diamond or another might provide a replacement service
If Diamonds 7 was extended to turn right at the top of sion hill along the wolverley road then left on to the A449 to serve cookley/caunsall . and returning along the a449 in to broadwaters and the follow the current 7 route that would cover about 99% of the 9/9a . as futher along the 7 route the routes run over same ground and the bit that would be missed very lightly used
Quote from: Cedric on April 01, 2016, 07:06:47 PM
If Diamonds 7 was extended to turn right at the top of sion hill along the wolverley road then left on to the A449 to serve cookley/caunsall . and returning along the a449 in to broadwaters and the follow the current 7 route that would cover about 99% of the 9/9a . as futher along the 7 route the routes run over same ground and the bit that would be missed very lightly used
One problem with that most journeys on the 7 only carry 1-5 passengers mainly passes. The only reason the 7 is commercially viable is because it interworks with the 192 which is actually commercially viable. If the 7 was extended to Cookley it would add at minimum a extra 20 mins to the journey time on a good day and that doesn't include serving Caunsall which would take another 10-15 mins to do and get back to Cookley. All together the extra journey time would be getting on for 30-40 mins with traffic and loading time. This in turn would mean the 7/192 which currently interworks would have to have a extra bus in the allocation and that means a extra bus and driver which Diamond Kidderminster depot just doesn't have. They can barely cover the services they have got it stretched to say the least at the moment.
Quote from: Reece on April 01, 2016, 07:44:29 PM
One problem with that most journeys on the 7 only carry 1-5 passengers mainly passes. The only reason the 7 is commercially viable is because it interworks with the 192 which is actually commercially viable. If the 7 was extended to Cookley it would add at minimum a extra 20 mins to the journey time on a good day and that doesn't include serving Caunsall which would take another 10-15 mins to do and get back to Cookley. All together the extra journey time would be getting on for 30-40 mins with traffic and loading time. This in turn would mean the 7/192 which currently interworks would have to have a extra bus in the allocation and that means a extra bus and driver which Diamond Kidderminster depot just doesn't have. They can barely cover the services they have got it stretched to say the least at the moment.
Reece
when I have seen the 7s they have more passengers than the number you say on ,
Quote from: Cedric on April 01, 2016, 07:56:05 PM
Reece
when I have seen the 7s they have more passengers than the number you say on ,
ive seen one with full load
Quote from: RS on April 01, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
ive seen one with full load
which a 9/9a or a 7 as a full load on the 9 /9a is only a small poration of a full load on the 7. RS do you live in the wyre forest area
Quote from: Cedric on April 01, 2016, 08:04:08 PM
which a 9/9a or a 7 as a full load on the 9 /9a is only a small poration of a full load on the 7. RS do you live in the wyre forest area
I have never seen a 7 with a full load for example the last 7 of day yesterday only had 2 passengers the most I have ever seen on the 7 since it was taken over by Diamond is about 15-17 people and that was on a nice sunny day in the summer.
Quote from: Cedric on April 01, 2016, 08:04:08 PM
which a 9/9a or a 7 as a full load on the 9 /9a is only a small poration of a full load on the 7. RS do you live in the wyre forest area
No but n KD every Fridayy
It's now been listed on the WCC website
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/6820/bus_service_changes_from_31-03-2016.pdf#page12 (http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/6820/bus_service_changes_from_31-03-2016.pdf#page12)
Quote from: Reece on April 01, 2016, 10:34:39 PM
It's now been listed on the WCC website
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/6820/bus_service_changes_from_31-03-2016.pdf#page12 (http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/6820/bus_service_changes_from_31-03-2016.pdf#page12)
the WCC website people must be working late Reece looked at 10pm and it was still the pervious changes dated 4/3/16
Long shot, but what chance if anyone does take it on and want to make it commercial then attempt an extension up to Kinver or Stourbridge?
Quote from: Kevin on April 02, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Long shot, but what chance if anyone does take it on and want to make it commercial then attempt an extension up to Kinver or Stourbridge?
Or WCC could amend the 580 to send it via Cookley and Caunsall to Kinver?
Quote from: Cheese on April 02, 2016, 11:23:43 AM
Or WCC could amend the 580 to send it via Cookley and Caunsall to Kinver?
no to sending the 580 that way as it goes a different way , if it was changed to go that way after cookley /caunsall it would be just along the a449 with no villiages along the way and the way to Stourbridge is along a diiferent road,to me extending the 7 is the easy way and not interworking it with the 192
Based on the comments & the fact it was a commercial service, I wouldn't be surprised to see Diamond register a replacement service and add it to their network, it would only require one MPD even if it was to stay in it's current format.
From 10th April the daytime frequency of the 3's will drop, as will the Pvr and driver requirements.
Are they just coming off bus work or closing down completely ?? I am lead to believe they have around 20 vehicles. :)
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on April 02, 2016, 04:10:44 PM
Are they just coming off bus work or closing down completely ?? I am lead to believe they have around 20 vehicles. :)
They only have one other route which is just one run each way and Wednesday only. as far as I am aware the do not have any full size vehicles . only various sizes of mini bus they do contract work for Wcc schools and day centres quite a few of the vehicles I would class as welfare buses. this was a shock to me as they have been running that route since midland red stopped running to the villages each one had it's own service, I am talking there about the NBC map days.
Is the 9/9A running still do people know?
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 19, 2016, 11:00:47 PM
Is the 9/9A running still do people know?
Was on Saturday. Think the list on Worcestershire County Council's website suggested a last day of May 10th?
Traveline currently has the 9 9/A services running until May 20th:
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=twm&line=0909A&sup=A&itdLPxx_direction=H&project=y11&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=CEN_EFA02_2415352965&lineVer=1&itdLPxx_spTr=1&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=HOC
So is that it then for these services, seems strange that they might end with no replacement with no fuss from the communities affected.
seams strange as it was not tenderd route , have heard of another operator gaining another route , do not know if it is the 9/9a. know which operator it is supposed to be but not 100% sure so I am not naming it, nor will if anyone asks because it is not in the public domain yet and things may change
Has the 9/9a finished now then, without replacement.
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 23, 2016, 12:37:54 PM
Has the 9/9a finished now then, without replacement.
It Seams that is the case , a diamond bus did pull up at the stop it used displaying nothing on the screen, and people did get on so I wonder if there could be a diamond replacement ? take a look a travel line west midlands if you type in Kidderminster to cookley it gives some strange ways of getting there like the 4a/192/580 the 4a and the580 go nowhere near cookley and the only 192 journey to go there is a school run
Quote from: Cedric on May 23, 2016, 01:25:59 PM
It Seams that is the case , a diamond bus did pull up at the stop it used displaying nothing on the screen, and people did get on so I wonder if there could be a diamond replacement ? take a look a travel line west midlands if you type in Kidderminster to cookley it gives some strange ways of getting there like the 4a/192/580 the 4a and the580 go nowhere near cookley and the only 192 journey to go there is a school run
I'd be surprised if Diamond didn't add the route to their KR network if is was a viable option
Quote from: Winston on May 23, 2016, 01:29:01 PM
I'd be surprised if Diamond didn't add the route to their KR network if is was a viable option
just looked at something on the WCC site and found this
Services 9/9A (Hollands Coaches) Kidderminster – Cookley - Caunsall These commercial services are withdrawn.
Central buses were after drivers so they maybe taking
It on
Quote from: Solo1 on May 23, 2016, 02:29:22 PM
Central buses were after drivers so they maybe taking
It on
could well do , diamond are also advertising for drivers down here as well . I have seen a white dart with no markings on in Kidderminster today on the a449
last digits of reg where either rp or pr that's all a caught , it had roller number blinds showing c11 . the way it was traveling on the a449 was coming from the cookley direction only driver on board
Quote from: Solo1 on May 23, 2016, 02:29:22 PM
Central buses were after drivers so they maybe taking
It on
Central wasn't interested in the route one bit
details of replacement
From 6th June 2016
Services 9/9A (Worcestershire Fleet Services) Kidderminster – Cookley - Caunsall A new subsidised service, operated by Worcestershire County Council Fleet Services to replace the commercial services which were withdrawn on the 20th May
Quote from: Cedric on June 02, 2016, 04:42:39 PM
details of replacement
From 6th June 2016
Services 9/9A (Worcestershire Fleet Services) Kidderminster – Cookley - Caunsall A new subsidised service, operated by Worcestershire County Council Fleet Services to replace the commercial services which were withdrawn on the 20th May
Yes I have some more information about it and it turns this is going to be only funded by WCC for 6 months on a use it or lose it basis.
Reece
this should also have been in my last message
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/downloads/file/6820/bus_service_changes_from_02-06-2016