What buses would you like NX to have, list them and talk about them here.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 31, 2014, 04:00:29 PM
What buses would you like NX to have, list them and talk about them here.
This is going to be a bit of an empty discussion, as we'll only be seeing ADL buses for the next few years.
The Enviro400s are alright, and the Enviro200s aren't that bad (my own opinion, I've only travelled on a couple so far). However having travelled on some Wright Gemini 2 B9TLs in London, I'd like to have seen some up here.
Same as Stu really - Enviro 400s and 200s are ok.
If they hadn't have fallen out, and the bus now being discontinued, I'd liked to have seen more Scanias, both double deck and single deck. Other than Mercedes Citaros and Wright Gemini 2s.
Scania and mercedes buses
Enviros with a euro 4 Voith gearbox, maybe some VDL Wright Geminis
Buses that are not from the crappy ADL. I would have liked NX to have the Wright buses...
I think that NX should buy some b8rle's soon!
I think that the volvo single Deckers are great!
Personally I think the E400's are the best DD but the Volvo DD's would be nice.
I'd also like some citaro's.
I Know that there are a small number if these left but bring back the b6s some new ones of course
They don't make them any more, haven't done since around 2002 ish
Virtual electric E400s.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to prop up the bar in my hotel
I'm rather annoyed because I would've liked some b8rle's rather soon but I can only hope now for some,
I think it would be annoying if we have to much ADL in the fleet.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 31, 2014, 05:44:07 PM
I'm rather annoyed because I would've liked some b8rle's rather soon but I can only hope now for some,
I think it would be annoying if we have to much ADL in the fleet.
Walsall garage are getting some B8Rs in a couple of weeks time! (not LE though)
ADL body and Volvo chassis, for some 2001 simulated variation.
Brownie points for anybody who knows what I'm on about.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
ADL body and Volvo chassis, for some 2001 simulated variation.
Brownie points for anybody who knows what I'm on about.
4225-4304 ;)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
ADL body and Volvo chassis, for some 2001 simulated variation.
Brownie points for anybody who knows what I'm on about.
ALX400 bodied Volvo B7TL? ;)
new routemasters are cool in london, it would be nice to have these in birmingham, but H&S want allow rear entry buses
Quote from: wembley86 on December 31, 2014, 06:03:17 PM
new routemasters are cool in london, it would be nice to have these in birmingham, but H&S want allow rear entry buses
Nothing of the sort
Quote from: Tony on December 31, 2014, 05:49:08 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 31, 2014, 05:44:07 PM
I'm rather annoyed because I would've liked some b8rle's rather soon but I can only hope now for some,
I think it would be annoying if we have to much ADL in the fleet.
Walsall garage are getting some B8Rs in a couple of weeks time! (not LE though)
Coaches?
And the joke was RLE stands for Really Low Entrance .... What does it actually stand for?
Quote from: Winston on December 31, 2014, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
ADL body and Volvo chassis, for some 2001 simulated variation.
Brownie points for anybody who knows what I'm on about.
4225-4304 ;)
Quote from: Nathan on December 31, 2014, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
ADL body and Volvo chassis, for some 2001 simulated variation.
Brownie points for anybody who knows what I'm on about.
ALX400 bodied Volvo B7TL? ;)
Ahhh! You're not all as stupid as you look ;-) haha (that's a joke if y'all didn't know haha)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 31, 2014, 05:49:08 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 31, 2014, 05:44:07 PM
I'm rather annoyed because I would've liked some b8rle's rather soon but I can only hope now for some,
I think it would be annoying if we have to much ADL in the fleet.
Walsall garage are getting some B8Rs in a couple of weeks time! (not LE though)
Coaches?
And the joke was RLE stands for Really Low Entrance .... What does it actually stand for?
It means Rear Engine Low Entrance
Walsall are actually getting B9R in a couple of weeks time (loan from Whittles) but I believe the replacements will be B8R
Why are they getting coaches?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 31, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
Why are they getting coaches?
To cover the NX Coach work that Whittles currently do...
Does anyone know when the new buses are arriving?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 31, 2014, 08:33:21 PM
Does anyone know when the new buses are arriving?
Next year. ;)
Sorry I meant what date or week
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 31, 2014, 08:51:06 PM
Sorry I meant what date or week
They haven't even been built yet! Surely it won't be far off before ADL start production on the first of the batch?
NX could've got Lancs, Mercedes 0530 type, Gemini 2's, Optare Olympus' instead of these rubbish Enviros.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 31, 2014, 09:52:07 PM
NX could've got Lancs, Mercedes 0530 type, Gemini 2's, Optare Olympus' instead of these rubbish Enviros.
Optare Olympus are no longer being built and haven't since the end of 2011/start of 2012. The old East Lancs factory in Blackburn that built them is no more!
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 31, 2014, 09:52:07 PM
NX could've got Lancs, Mercedes 0530 type, Gemini 2's, Optare Olympus' instead of these rubbish Enviros.
Optare Olympus are no longer being built and haven't since the end of 2011/start of 2012. The old East Lancs factory in Blackburn that built them is no more!
Well the Optares should've been bought before it's cease.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 31, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 31, 2014, 09:52:07 PM
NX could've got Lancs, Mercedes 0530 type, Gemini 2's, Optare Olympus' instead of these rubbish Enviros.
Optare Olympus are no longer being built and haven't since the end of 2011/start of 2012. The old East Lancs factory in Blackburn that built them is no more!
Well the Optares should've been bought before it's cease.
You're calling Enviro's rubbish, instead you want a fleet of Optares Olympus..... :o Ask yourself how many of the new Optare Metrodecker have been ordered to date.......
Another vote for the NB4L here. I try to sample a couple every working day, I just love the retro ambience and attention to detail. Yes, I know they are bespoke to London and therefore expensive.
It's a shame we couldn't have had our local authority specify a 'New Birmingham Standard' in terms of livery, detail colours and finishes when tendering services. Okay, I recognise it would be all ADL, but with a nod to Birmingham's heritage, with a modern twist like the NB4Ls, such a colour scheme and details could have conveyed a really classy retro kudos for us to be proud of. Instead of asymmetric sheep-dip colours.
Single deckers: new Merc saloons, like Arriva uses on the 116.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 31, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 31, 2014, 09:52:07 PM
NX could've got Lancs, Mercedes 0530 type, Gemini 2's, Optare Olympus' instead of these rubbish Enviros.
Optare Olympus are no longer being built and haven't since the end of 2011/start of 2012. The old East Lancs factory in Blackburn that built them is no more!
Well the Optares should've been bought before it's cease.
Why would you buy a sporadic number of none standard buses with hard to source spare parts then a bus which has ready availability and a market leading after sales team?
NX do have rigid citaros....on Airlinks services!
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 01, 2015, 01:04:14 AM
NX do have rigid citaros....on Airlinks services!
And you never know, that
might be why they haven't bought any more!
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2015, 09:15:06 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 01, 2015, 01:04:14 AM
NX do have rigid citaros....on Airlinks services!
And you never know, that might be why they haven't bought any more!
One of the ones I saw yesterday sounded really rough.
I wonder if they'll send the e200s at Heathrow up when they're due for replacement eventually.
Am I the only one who does not like Wrights or Volvo,s. Wrights will only use Volvo engines, the reason why I hate Volvo so much is because I loved Leyland buses & Volvo closed it Down. ADL Will always come out on top for me there English, and the whole bus is made in the UK. Please NXWM Carry on buying AD buses
Quote from: woody38 on January 01, 2015, 09:32:24 AM
Am I the only one who does not like Wrights or Volvo,s. Wrights will only use Volvo engines, the reason why I hate Volvo so much is because I loved Leyland buses & Volvo closed it Down. ADL Will always come out on top for me there English, and the whole bus is made in the UK. Please NXWM Carry on buying AD buses
ADL are not English! Wrights will only use Volvo engines? So how come all those new Wrights at Arriva have VDL engines in? How come all those Streetlites have Cummins engines in? How come the Streetdeck has a Mercedes engine in?
At least get your facts right (or Wright) before having a moan!
Quote from: woody38 on January 01, 2015, 09:32:24 AM
Carry on buying AD buses
Starring Sid James, is on ITV at 3pm. Watch Barbara Windsor's top fly off at the spanking acceleration of 4718.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on January 01, 2015, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: woody38 on January 01, 2015, 09:32:24 AM
Carry on buying AD buses
Starring Sid James, is on ITV at 3pm. Watch Barbara Windsor's top fly off at the spanking acceleration of 4718.
Hahahha!!! Very very good! One for avin a larf methinks haha
Here's an idea I,m sure Wrightbuses borismaster could be developed in to single door operation, take one of the staircases out, more seats always useful. Love to see a photo shopped version of my idea.
ImO it great looking bus it's very different to any thing else out there, its got character.
I read some where Wrightbus have a five year contract to build the borismaster then it's open to any other bus builder to build, I assume from that TFL own the rights to NBFL4 , I think they paid wrightbus for R&D.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
ADL body and Volvo chassis, for some 2001 simulated variation.
Brownie points for anybody who knows what I'm on about.
That would be the Volvo B10B's with Alexander (Belfast) Ultra bodies, the ones that were originally gas powered.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 31, 2014, 09:52:07 PM
NX could've got Lancs, Mercedes 0530 type, Gemini 2's, Optare Olympus' instead of these rubbish Enviros.
No chance of Optare Olympuses, they're out of production now but the new Optare Metrodecker is a nice looking bus, I wouldn't wan't to see any of those Borismasters in the fleet, Stagecoach Strathtay had 2 up here in Dundee supposedly for 3 months, they were gone after 3 weeks! utterly useless outside of London, they're welcome to them!
Quote from: woody38 on January 01, 2015, 09:32:24 AM
Am I the only one who does not like Wrights or Volvo,s. Wrights will only use Volvo engines, the reason why I hate Volvo so much is because I loved Leyland buses & Volvo closed it Down. ADL Will always come out on top for me there English, and the whole bus is made in the UK. Please NXWM Carry on buying AD buses
Got to point this out, ADL are SCOTTISH!! Alexander bought out Dennis and the HQ and main factory is in Falkirk.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 03, 2015, 04:54:39 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
ADL body and Volvo chassis, for some 2001 simulated variation.
Brownie points for anybody who knows what I'm on about.
That would be the Volvo B10B's with Alexander (Belfast) Ultra bodies, the ones that were originally gas powered.
No it wouldn't. They were built in 1996, Volvo B10L's & P-reg.
It's already been answered & LS was refering to VolvoB7TL/ALX400's namely from the 4225-4304 batch.
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2015, 09:52:33 AM
Quote from: woody38 on January 01, 2015, 09:32:24 AM
Am I the only one who does not like Wrights or Volvo,s. Wrights will only use Volvo engines, the reason why I hate Volvo so much is because I loved Leyland buses & Volvo closed it Down. ADL Will always come out on top for me there English, and the whole bus is made in the UK. Please NXWM Carry on buying AD buses
ADL are not English! Wrights will only use Volvo engines? So how come all those new Wrights at Arriva have VDL engines in? How come all those Streetlites have Cummins engines in? How come the Streetdeck has a Mercedes engine in?
At least get your facts right (or Wright) before having a moan!
The StreetDeckers have Daimler engines according to the Wright's website!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 03, 2015, 05:06:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2015, 09:52:33 AM
Quote from: woody38 on January 01, 2015, 09:32:24 AM
Am I the only one who does not like Wrights or Volvo,s. Wrights will only use Volvo engines, the reason why I hate Volvo so much is because I loved Leyland buses & Volvo closed it Down. ADL Will always come out on top for me there English, and the whole bus is made in the UK. Please NXWM Carry on buying AD buses
ADL are not English! Wrights will only use Volvo engines? So how come all those new Wrights at Arriva have VDL engines in? How come all those Streetlites have Cummins engines in? How come the Streetdeck has a Mercedes engine in?
At least get your facts right (or Wright) before having a moan!
The StreetDeckers have Daimler engines according to the Wright's website!
Mercedes & Daimler-Benz are part of the same company. Now a proper Daimler engine, must be about 55 years since one of those was put in a bus
Quote from: Winston on January 03, 2015, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 03, 2015, 04:54:39 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 31, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
ADL body and Volvo chassis, for some 2001 simulated variation.
Brownie points for anybody who knows what I'm on about.
That would be the Volvo B10B's with Alexander (Belfast) Ultra bodies, the ones that were originally gas powered.
No it wouldn't. They were built in 1996, Volvo B10L's & P-reg.
It's already been answered & LS was refering to VolvoB7TL/ALX400's namely from the 4225-4304 batch.
Yeh, I answered the post before I got to the reply, I should really check the forum a bit more often!
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2015, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 03, 2015, 05:06:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2015, 09:52:33 AM
Quote from: woody38 on January 01, 2015, 09:32:24 AM
Am I the only one who does not like Wrights or Volvo,s. Wrights will only use Volvo engines, the reason why I hate Volvo so much is because I loved Leyland buses & Volvo closed it Down. ADL Will always come out on top for me there English, and the whole bus is made in the UK. Please NXWM Carry on buying AD buses
ADL are not English! Wrights will only use Volvo engines? So how come all those new Wrights at Arriva have VDL engines in? How come all those Streetlites have Cummins engines in? How come the Streetdeck has a Mercedes engine in?
At least get your facts right (or Wright) before having a moan!
The StreetDeckers have Daimler engines according to the Wright's website!
Mercedes & Daimler-Benz are part of the same company. Now a proper Daimler engine, must be about 55 years since one of those was put in a bus
Ah, no problem Tony, you learn something new every day! I was going by their specs on the website: Daimler 4 cylinder, 5.1 litre OM934 Euro 6 Emission compliant engine
n Voith D854.6 four speed or ZF 6AP1000B six speed automatic gearboxes both with integral retarders
I'd like NXWM to buy 40 or 50 Volvo b5L hybrids:
25 for YW for services 2,3 & 35
15 for WN for the 59 mainly but also for services 10 & 28
And maybe 10 for BC for the 24
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 12:36:45 PM
I'd like NXWM to buy 40 or 50 Volvo b5L hybrids:
25 for YW for services 2,3 & 35
15 for WN for the 59 mainly but also for services 10 & 28
And maybe 10 for BC for the 24
You're off your bloody trolley!
WN10 has to have B7RLE's due to the Perton barrier
59 already gets hybrids
28 is a single deck route which has had new E200's recently!
Quote from: Nathan on January 04, 2015, 12:39:10 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 12:36:45 PM
I'd like NXWM to buy 40 or 50 Volvo b5L hybrids:
25 for YW for services 2,3 & 35
15 for WN for the 59 mainly but also for services 10 & 28
And maybe 10 for BC for the 24
You're off your bloody trolley!
WN10 has to have B7RLE's due to the Perton barrier
59 already gets hybrids
28 is a single deck route which has had new E200's recently!
Even then, you wouldn't have enough to do that, as you would need:
11 for the WN59
3 for the WN28
2 for the WN10
resulting in you needing 16 hybrids, also the BC24 gets hybrids regularly, and YW would use any new buses on the 50, more than the 2, 3 and 35
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 04, 2015, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 04, 2015, 12:39:10 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 12:36:45 PM
I'd like NXWM to buy 40 or 50 Volvo b5L hybrids:
25 for YW for services 2,3 & 35
15 for WN for the 59 mainly but also for services 10 & 28
And maybe 10 for BC for the 24
You're off your bloody trolley!
WN10 has to have B7RLE's due to the Perton barrier
59 already gets hybrids
28 is a single deck route which has had new E200's recently!
Even then, you wouldn't have enough to do that, as you would need:
11 for the WN59
3 for the WN28
2 for the WN10
resulting in you needing 16 hybrids, also the BC24 gets hybrids regularly, and YW would use any new buses on the 50, more than the 2, 3 and 35
NXWM have b5 for the harboune corridor off WN plus ADL are making NX buses for the next five years
You do realise that hybrid buses cost twice as much as regular diesel buses? :o
Without further Green Bus Funding, I doubt NX will be purchasing more hybrids in the future.
A second type of double decker should be considered. Single-sourcing of vehicles is rarely a good idea. Some on here are old enough to remember gearbox problems with Daimler/Leyland Fleetline. Standardization is less important these days thanks to "just in time" spares delivery, so I would like to see trials of other new double deckers.
First, of course, is a Wright StreetDeck.
Second is a variation on the Volvo. While there is constant reference in their publicity to high efficiency and "green credentials", the non-hybrid version still has a transverse engine, while there is a suitable underframe for a longitudinal engine, but only with hybrid transmission. Let us also not forget the original concept for a low floor Volvo 'decker was also longitudinal engined, the B7L, (abandoned when London put a spanner in the works), and so it should be now, a Volvo B5L.
This would give two immediate savings. First, the weight of an angle drive, and second, the power absorbed by this kind of drive line. Added to this, trials could be made using the Automated Manual Transmission, as is already used in the B5LH. AMTs are already operating locally with Midland Classic, albeit in the ADL e200.
I feel this is the way to go. Let us finally rid ourselves of the transverse rear engine for mechanical transmission buses. Fifty-five years of their inefficiencies has been far too long.
Any other new bus trials would, of course, also be welcome. It all adds to the fun.
@Tiptonian - Touché
"I WANT OPTARE METRODECKERS!" - says no one ever. :P lol
Quote from: clayderman on January 16, 2015, 10:38:02 PM
@Tiptonian - Touché
"I WANT OPTARE METRODECKERS!" - says no one ever. :P lol
Why not Optare |Metrodeckers!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 16, 2015, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: clayderman on January 16, 2015, 10:38:02 PM
@Tiptonian - Touché
"I WANT OPTARE METRODECKERS!" - says no one ever. :P lol
Why not Optare |Metrodeckers!
Horrendous appearance. Don't get me wrong, the Versas & Solo SRs look very smart & elegant* - but the Metrodecker "gets a no from me"...
*only applicable to the versa. :P
My vote goes to wrightbus streetdeck with its inline drivetrain apparently makes for quite bus, and of course the volvo B5TL as I am huge fan of there buses.
Does any one know why the wrightbus volvo B9TL was never bought by TWM it has always struck me as very strange considering how good the B7TL is, I would have thought it was natural progression to move on to the successor. I have only ever seen ARRIVA examples they did look the business brand new.
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
Does any one know why the wrightbus volvo B9TL was never bought by TWM it has always struck me as very strange considering how good the B7TL is, I would have thought it was natural progression to move on to the successor. I have only ever seen ARRIVA examples they did look the business brand new.
I often thought the same 2900. Most B9TLs in the UK are the shorter wheelbase ones not favoured by NXWM - although Lothian specified the longer version so it must have been an option. I've also read that they are quite heavy, thirsty vehicles so that may have been a factor. And then there's the cost - it seems ADL products are cheaper, but ultimately you get what you pay for. These are just my views; would be interesting to hear an 'insider' perspective.
Quote from: clayderman on January 16, 2015, 10:38:02 PM
@Tiptonian - Touché
"I WANT OPTARE METRODECKERS!" - says no one ever. :P lol
:)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3881/15261402342_ca2ee35d18_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pfAFdA)NX Dundee MetroDecker (https://flic.kr/p/pfAFdA) by DD02 BUS (https://www.flickr.com/people/66812080@N03/), on Flickr
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
Does any one know why the wrightbus volvo B9TL was never bought by TWM it has always struck me as very strange considering how good the B7TL is, I would have thought it was natural progression to move on to the successor. I have only ever seen ARRIVA examples they did look the business brand new.
Did NXWM not fall out with Wrightbus after the 56 plate B7RLE & 06 plate Gemini's were delivered for some reason? Obviously Wrightbus were the only ones to body the B9TL initially.
Wright Gemini 3 anyone?
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5575/15263327195_4cd9eaf136_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pfLxpH)NX Dundee Wright Gemini 3 (https://flic.kr/p/pfLxpH) by DD02 BUS (https://www.flickr.com/people/66812080@N03/), on Flickr
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
Does any one know why the wrightbus volvo B9TL was never bought by TWM it has always struck me as very strange considering how good the B7TL is, I would have thought it was natural progression to move on to the successor. I have only ever seen ARRIVA examples they did look the business brand new.
Did NXWM not fall out with Wrightbus after the 56 plate B7RLE & 06 plate Gemini's were delivered for some reason? Obviously Wrightbus were the only ones to body the B9TL initially.
ADL also bodied an early batch of B9TL's for East Yorkshire.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 17, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
Wright Gemini 3 anyone?
I'd personally like to see some of those, but not with that horrid glass staircase, the joints in the stair glass look awful. If we must have a glass staircase, the raking glass as per the Borismaster is much better on the eye, but does T-advert would be out of the question
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 17, 2015, 01:57:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
Does any one know why the wrightbus volvo B9TL was never bought by TWM it has always struck me as very strange considering how good the B7TL is, I would have thought it was natural progression to move on to the successor. I have only ever seen ARRIVA examples they did look the business brand new.
Did NXWM not fall out with Wrightbus after the 56 plate B7RLE & 06 plate Gemini's were delivered for some reason? Obviously Wrightbus were the only ones to body the B9TL initially.
ADL also bodied an early batch of B9TL's for East Yorkshire.
Yes, you're correct EYMS had 5 x 57 plate B9TL/E400's but then reverted back to Gemini's for deliveries that followed those
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 17, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
Wright Gemini 3 anyone?
I'd personally like to see some of those, but not with that horrid glass staircase, the joints in the stair glass look awful. If we must have a glass staircase, the raking glass as per the Borismaster is much better on the eye, but does T-advert would be out of the question
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 17, 2015, 01:57:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
Does any one know why the wrightbus volvo B9TL was never bought by TWM it has always struck me as very strange considering how good the B7TL is, I would have thought it was natural progression to move on to the successor. I have only ever seen ARRIVA examples they did look the business brand new.
Did NXWM not fall out with Wrightbus after the 56 plate B7RLE & 06 plate Gemini's were delivered for some reason? Obviously Wrightbus were the only ones to body the B9TL initially.
ADL also bodied an early batch of B9TL's for East Yorkshire.
Yes, you're correct EYMS had 5 x 57 plate B9TL/E400's but then reverted back to Gemini's for deliveries that followed those
Solent Blue Line/Bluestar/Go South Coast even had a 56 plate b7tl with e400 body! Hopefully the build quality of the e400MMC will be on a par with Wrightbus...
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
Does any one know why the wrightbus volvo B9TL was never bought by TWM it has always struck me as very strange considering how good the B7TL is, I would have thought it was natural progression to move on to the successor. I have only ever seen ARRIVA examples they did look the business brand new.
Did NXWM not fall out with Wrightbus after the 56 plate B7RLE & 06 plate Gemini's were delivered for some reason? Obviously Wrightbus were the only ones to body the B9TL initially.
NXWM fell out with another manufacturer - wow, they're pretty good at that considering they fell out with Scania as well. Although if they did fall out how come they went back and bought a sizeable batch in 2011-2013.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 17, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
Wright Gemini 3 anyone?
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5575/15263327195_4cd9eaf136_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pfLxpH)NX Dundee Wright Gemini 3 (https://flic.kr/p/pfLxpH) by DD02 BUS (https://www.flickr.com/people/66812080@N03/), on Flickr
The chance of seeing one in that livery is nil! If NX did order any they would be in the new livery or a variation of it!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on January 01, 2015, 12:37:42 AM
Another vote for the NB4L here. I try to sample a couple every working day, I just love the retro ambience and attention to detail. Yes, I know they are bespoke to London and therefore expensive.
It's a shame we couldn't have had our local authority specify a 'New Birmingham Standard' in terms of livery, detail colours and finishes when tendering services. Okay, I recognise it would be all ADL, but with a nod to Birmingham's heritage, with a modern twist like the NB4Ls, such a colour scheme and details could have conveyed a really classy retro kudos for us to be proud of. Instead of asymmetric sheep-dip colours.
Single deckers: new Merc saloons, like Arriva uses on the 116.
Sorry missed this when it was posted.
The NB4L would be cost prohibitive for NE, TFL are paying £334,000 per bus for the first 1000 buses, although at this stage only 800 are on order.
In order for NB4L to be effective within the West Midlands, you would either need the smartcard scheme to be up and running and be working effectively, or employ conductors!!
You don't have to have the rear door open all the time, as has been seen in London, although in my opinion and from observation, they seem to encourage fare evasion (passengers jumping on and not swiping Oyster card)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 09:52:42 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on January 01, 2015, 12:37:42 AM
Another vote for the NB4L here. I try to sample a couple every working day, I just love the retro ambience and attention to detail. Yes, I know they are bespoke to London and therefore expensive.
It's a shame we couldn't have had our local authority specify a 'New Birmingham Standard' in terms of livery, detail colours and finishes when tendering services. Okay, I recognise it would be all ADL, but with a nod to Birmingham's heritage, with a modern twist like the NB4Ls, such a colour scheme and details could have conveyed a really classy retro kudos for us to be proud of. Instead of asymmetric sheep-dip colours.
Single deckers: new Merc saloons, like Arriva uses on the 116.
Sorry missed this when it was posted.
The NB4L would be cost prohibitive for NE, TFL are paying £334,000 per bus for the first 1000 buses, although at this stage only 800 are on order.
In order for NB4L to be effective within the West Midlands, you would either need the smartcard scheme to be up and running and be working effectively, or employ conductors!!
You don't have to have the rear door open all the time, as has been seen in London, although in my opinion and from observation, they seem to encourage fare evasion (passengers jumping on and not swiping Oyster card)
I like the NB4L. After years out of the loop, this bus re-lit my enthusiasm for buses. I feel it to be thoroughly modern outside as everything else in recent years has just seemed like a re-work of the Van-Hool Ailsa. The retro ambiance, as I see, it is the interior. The colouring, however, is not London. The red seats and white ceiling is far more reminiscent of an early BMMO D9. The suspension even rocks from side to side like a D9, and I love 'em!
A NXWM version would, of course, have a single door and staircase with seats filling the spaces, one bay less in length and, for now, conventional transmission with micro-hybrid. That should make them nearer the price of other double deckers; as you say, £334,000 is too much for NXWM, even if you can get six of them for one tram.
Talking of retro ambiance, can someone remind me what the new NXWM livery will be, and how is First Miland Red Trident 33404 currently painted? I'm just asking.
Next, they will be putting little notices inside saying "Have You Forgotten Anything?"
@Tiptonian New NXWM liveries:
http://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/media/1976/bus-investment.jpg
Prototypes:
New standard livery - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4718.html
Platinum livery - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4723.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/FirstMidlandRed/33404.html
All photos are on the main site under specific operators fleetlists
http://wmbusphotos.com/default-old.html
Many thanks, Winston. I have to admit to being just a little devilish with my last post! When I first saw a Spectra with a full red front coming straight towards me, I thought "Midland Red is back".
I liked the red and white livery. The blue with white always seemed to drag the image down to "workers contract bus" level.
The new red, in my opinion, looks superb. The grey and black is another matter, I'm sorry to say. Black never works, needing to be immaculate. It would need a stylish bus with a high gloss varnish and washing at least twice a day to look any good.
Thanks again, Winston , for the pictures. I haven't found my way around the site yet, and with my computer skills it may take some time!
Quote from: Tiptonian on January 19, 2015, 11:51:55 AM
Many thanks, Winston. I have to admit to being just a little devilish with my last post! When I first saw a Spectra with a full red front coming straight towards me, I thought "Midland Red is back".
I liked the red and white livery. The blue with white always seemed to drag the image down to "workers contract bus" level.
The new red, in my opinion, looks superb. The grey and black is another matter, I'm sorry to say. Black never works, needing to be immaculate. It would need a stylish bus with a high gloss varnish and washing at least twice a day to look any good.
Thanks again, Winston , for the pictures. I haven't found my way around the site yet, and with my computer skills it may take some time!
No worries Tiptonian, if you need any other pointers, please ask!