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Title: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: RR378 on December 19, 2014, 11:44:24 AM
So has anyone got any knowledge on what the shortest lived bus routes I.E ones that only lasted a few months for being cut such as the Arrival 22 ( Oldbury - Wolverhampton )
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Trident 4194 on December 19, 2014, 01:24:53 PM
Green bus - 006 maybe
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: the trainbasher on December 19, 2014, 02:12:01 PM
22.10.12 to 25.11.12 this service only ran - The Green Bus route 125 (Dudley to Wolverhampton...)
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Liverpool Street on December 19, 2014, 02:14:45 PM
X62 didn't last that long..
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Russ Smith on December 19, 2014, 02:42:46 PM
The 20 from Brum to Great Park was a short one wasn't it?
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: winston on December 19, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
NXWM X1 Wolverhampton - Merry Hill (limited stop)
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Sh4318 on December 19, 2014, 05:22:31 PM
The other 22 (Birmingham - Merry Hill) didn't last long
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: andrew1991 on December 19, 2014, 07:09:37 PM
Does the X99 count ?
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Tara4352 on December 19, 2014, 07:28:07 PM
I know it's a bus route but does the arriva 310 count as it doesn't serve dudley and merry hill bus stations for some time
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: PM on December 19, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
X City 46 and 46X route back in 2006?
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: CL on December 19, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
NXWM X1 Wolverhampton - Merry Hill (limited stop)

I'm sure they only announced this as a Christmas service, to get your Christmas shopping done at Merry Hill, via a Direct Service, as opposed to alighting from the one. They don't seem to have brought it back this year, so I guess this is right. :)

What about the 99? The one that was operated with E400s, when new at BC. (for Hagley Rd services)
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Alex on December 19, 2014, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: clayderman on December 19, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
NXWM X1 Wolverhampton - Merry Hill (limited stop)

I'm sure they only announced this as a Christmas service, to get your Christmas shopping done at Merry Hill, via a Direct Service, as opposed to alighting from the one. They don't seem to have brought it back this year, so I guess this is right. :)

What about the 99? The one that was operated with E400s, when new at BC. (for Hagley Rd services)

That was the X99, mate
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Tony on December 19, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 19, 2014, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: clayderman on December 19, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
NXWM X1 Wolverhampton - Merry Hill (limited stop)

I'm sure they only announced this as a Christmas service, to get your Christmas shopping done at Merry Hill, via a Direct Service, as opposed to alighting from the one. They don't seem to have brought it back this year, so I guess this is right. :)

What about the 99? The one that was operated with E400s, when new at BC. (for Hagley Rd services)

That was the X99, mate

No it wasn't, it was the 99
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Alex on December 19, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 19, 2014, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: clayderman on December 19, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
NXWM X1 Wolverhampton - Merry Hill (limited stop)

I'm sure they only announced this as a Christmas service, to get your Christmas shopping done at Merry Hill, via a Direct Service, as opposed to alighting from the one. They don't seem to have brought it back this year, so I guess this is right. :)

What about the 99? The one that was operated with E400s, when new at BC. (for Hagley Rd services)

That was the X99, mate

No it wasn't, it was the 99

I meant the Wolves-Merry Hill service, Tony
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Trident 4194 on December 19, 2014, 08:03:04 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 19, 2014, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: clayderman on December 19, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
NXWM X1 Wolverhampton - Merry Hill (limited stop)

I'm sure they only announced this as a Christmas service, to get your Christmas shopping done at Merry Hill, via a Direct Service, as opposed to alighting from the one. They don't seem to have brought it back this year, so I guess this is right. :)

What about the 99? The one that was operated with E400s, when new at BC. (for Hagley Rd services)

That was the X99, mate

No it wasn't, it was the 99

99 was the new 141 pretty much
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Ashley on December 19, 2014, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 19, 2014, 08:03:04 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 19, 2014, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: clayderman on December 19, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
NXWM X1 Wolverhampton - Merry Hill (limited stop)

I'm sure they only announced this as a Christmas service, to get your Christmas shopping done at Merry Hill, via a Direct Service, as opposed to alighting from the one. They don't seem to have brought it back this year, so I guess this is right. :)

What about the 99? The one that was operated with E400s, when new at BC. (for Hagley Rd services)

That was the X99, mate

No it wasn't, it was the 99

99 was the new 141 pretty much

...which was the 139, how did that work lol?

What about Travel Express' attempts on the 3. 6 and 529?

Alex, the X1 and X99 both had the same purpose, but the X1 lasted longer
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Mike K on December 19, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
Showing my age here but the 72 City (Paradise Circus) to Kitwell via QE Hospital and Quinton Road didn't last long before it was replaced by the the current 22.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Westy on December 19, 2014, 09:36:49 PM
Walsall did a route 353 which served Town, Sainsburys, Leamore, Bloxwich then one way circular via Turnberry & Lower Farm.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on December 19, 2014, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: clayderman on December 19, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
NXWM X1 Wolverhampton - Merry Hill (limited stop)

I'm sure they only announced this as a Christmas service, to get your Christmas shopping done at Merry Hill, via a Direct Service, as opposed to alighting from the one. They don't seem to have brought it back this year, so I guess this is right. :)

What about the 99? The one that was operated with E400s, when new at BC. (for Hagley Rd services)

They only operated it one christmas. A version of it was tried in the last Wolverhampton bus review and failed miserably!
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: RR378 on December 19, 2014, 11:56:31 PM
How long did other operators last on the 404?
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: trident4370 on December 20, 2014, 12:36:52 AM
How about...
85 Kings Heath to Druids Heath via Brandwood Park.
69 Brandwood Park - Wythall.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: John on December 20, 2014, 01:03:17 AM
The 628 Dyas Rd to One Stop and the 28A that looped around Old Oscott terminating outside Great Barr School
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: uniquicity on December 20, 2014, 01:16:19 AM
Trying (and failing) to remember the route which did the city centre loop of he old 46 while there were roadworks in the city. Around 10 years ago?
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: MrBevan2000 on December 20, 2014, 03:22:57 AM
Quote from: John on December 20, 2014, 01:03:17 AM
The 628 Dyas Rd to One Stop and the 28A that looped around Old Oscott terminating outside Great Barr School

I just about remember them. There was a 28B too.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: spudnick on December 20, 2014, 07:37:55 AM
Quote from: uniquicity on December 20, 2014, 01:16:19 AM
Trying (and failing) to remember the route which did the city centre loop of he old 46 while there were roadworks in the city. Around 10 years ago?

I seem to remember Solo's operating this as the 146, always thought it was a bit silly to duplicate the number of the First 146.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Tony on December 20, 2014, 08:35:12 AM
The 77 Centrebus was another
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: John on December 20, 2014, 09:00:35 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 20, 2014, 03:22:57 AM
Quote from: John on December 20, 2014, 01:03:17 AM
The 628 Dyas Rd to One Stop and the 28A that looped around Old Oscott terminating outside Great Barr School

I just about remember them. There was a 28B too.

Yes, the 28B was the Small Heath to Dyas route (evenings and Sundays)
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: paulb1973 on December 20, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
I can't quite remember the exact dates - but I'm sure TC/NXC ran a Coventry to Solihull service (numbered 19) replacing the long-standing 192/193/194 group of services. Didn't seem to last very long. The number 19 as has often been used for services on the west side of the city, although a group of 81 services in the same area (certainly as far as Berkswell for a short period) ran as well.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: the trainbasher on December 20, 2014, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 20, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
I can't quite remember the exact dates - but I'm sure TC/NXC ran a Coventry to Solihull service (numbered 19) replacing the long-standing 192/193/194 group of services. Didn't seem to last very long. The number 19 as has often been used for services on the west side of the city, although a group of 81 services in the same area (certainly as far as Berkswell for a short period) ran as well.

19X and 19W (both had sets of short journeys to Tile Hill as well). Introduced in the Solihull Network Review and replaced by the NXWM 82
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Liberator9 on December 20, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Even then the NXWM 82 didn't last very long - by late 2010 it was under Signature control. NXWM routes S2/S3 didn't last very long either - only from January 2009 to June 2010. The S802 which used to run in the peaks as part of the S2/S3, only lasted about 2-3 months. The S2 then got renumbered S2 and S2A/S2C, from S2E to S2.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Matt.N0056 on December 20, 2014, 04:04:39 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 20, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Even then the NXWM 82 didn't last very long - by late 2010 it was under Signature control. NXWM routes S2/S3 didn't last very long either - only from January 2009 to June 2010. The S802 which used to run in the peaks as part of the S2/S3, only lasted about 2-3 months. The S2 then got renumbered S2 and S2A/S2C, from S2E to S2.

What was the S8? Remember seeing it on bus stops but not sure of the route. That couldn't have lasted long, along with the s6, although that's now the s15? And the s12 didn't last too long, especially the airport extention
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Tony on December 20, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
The 'SWL'
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: the trainbasher on December 20, 2014, 05:52:12 PM
Although still registered to run but in reality only lasted 3 days in Oct 2012

GRS 600 Erdington
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: P419 EJW on December 20, 2014, 07:42:46 PM
What about the L1 (Birmingham - Walmley) and L2 (Erdington - Sutton Coldfield), used to be operated by the B6s?
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Liberator9 on December 20, 2014, 10:09:48 PM
S8 used to be an Evenings and Sundays only NXWM run service from Solihull to Dickens Heath. AG ran it with B6s.  Never got on it personally but with NXWM cutting down on costs in 2010 it was one of the routes they wanted to be rid of. Another short lived service was the S4A/S4C - amount of times the S4 has been changed is unbelievable. Used to run from Solihull to Robin Hood, via part of the 5 route and then Cheswick Green. Then got changed to a circular service, once again run by Grosvenor. Then Signature took it over - running along Sharmans Cross Road with the MCV Evolution, to Cheswick Green. Now goes along Blossomfield interworking with the S2!
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Matt.N0056 on December 20, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 20, 2014, 10:09:48 PM
S8 used to be an Evenings and Sundays only NXWM run service from Solihull to Dickens Heath. AG ran it with B6s.  Never got on it personally but with NXWM cutting down on costs in 2010 it was one of the routes they wanted to be rid of. Another short lived service was the S4A/S4C - amount of times the S4 has been changed is unbelievable. Used to run from Solihull to Robin Hood, via part of the 5 route and then Cheswick Green. Then got changed to a circular service, once again run by Grosvenor. Then Signature took it over - running along Sharmans Cross Road with the MCV Evolution, to Cheswick Green. Now goes along Blossomfield interworking with the S2!

Yes, thought the S8 was an evening/ Sunday Service

the 958 (Airport? to Birmingham via Golden Hillcok Rd) didnt last long and the (old) 58 was soon brought back
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: j789 on December 20, 2014, 11:12:47 PM
The 102 was a short lived variation of the 10. If only this route had not been tampered with as it was a great route to getting into town quickly and much faster than the 103.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Sh4318 on December 20, 2014, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: j789 on December 20, 2014, 11:12:47 PM
The 102 was a short lived variation of the 10. If only this route had not been tampered with as it was a great route to getting into town quickly and much faster than the 103.

There was the 110 too.
Title: Re: Shortest lived bus routes
Post by: Cheese on December 21, 2014, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 20, 2014, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: j789 on December 20, 2014, 11:12:47 PM
The 102 was a short lived variation of the 10. If only this route had not been tampered with as it was a great route to getting into town quickly and much faster than the 103.

There was the 110 too.

Caught both the 102 and 110, think it was around 2006 when these operated, lived just off West Boulevard at the time.  The 102 ran during the daytimes with the 10 still operating evenings/Sundays I believe.  The 110 (which kind of replaced the 102 I think) was never really a success, didn't seem busy, certainly not from Blackheath.  Neither route seemed to pick up many passengers around Quinton Road West either as they were going the opposite way to the 103, and most people waited for the 103 into town as it was more frequent, and there were always few passengers along Gillhurst Road and Augustus Road.