Been confirmed that the 900 will have 2 journeys of which are in the middle of the night, and adjustment of route from original to allow for the left turn at the Cargo and then it'll follow its own bus only road into the NEC and terminals.
Apparently some other duty changes as well, but those details I don't know about.
I have made this it's own topic as when it's put on the Notices & Proceedings I'm sure
@Winston will post it here.
C.
@Liverpool Street is the 900/966 not using the new bus only road from start of June? Sure that's what it says in NWM site? I'll check when I'm home
Yes, Matt is correct, Centro suggests the serving of the new bus road commences 8th June (ref (http://www.networkwestmidlands.co.uk/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/08June2014.aspx))
I will commend the 24hr service as long as they're full trips to Coventry. ;)
Note the following is just me guessing/what I think should happen based on the existing timetable so will hope the new journeys are:
0000*, 0120, 0240 and 0400S from Moor St to Coventry
0010^, 0120, 0240 and 0400S from Coventry to Moor St
* = existing 900E journey extended to Coventry.
^ = replaces the existing 0034 900E from BHX to Moor St but re-timed 10 minutes later.
S = Sunday morning only, otherwise there will be some gap in the timetable.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on May 24, 2014, 02:56:20 PM
@Liverpool Street is the 900/966 not using the new bus only road from start of June? Sure that's what it says in NWM site? I'll check when I'm home
@Matt.N0056 Whoops, thanks for that. I'll have to check my sources again, but the overnight is from 20th July, I'm sure.
Would this overnight service be the 900A? Also does it mean the 900 will become a 24 hour service?
I was confused for a while about how the bus only road join up the dual carriageway as buses coming towards Birmingham would have to cross the carriageway in order to join it, but I've recently found out that it was joining from using cargo terminals road. This might be useful to anyone who's confused like I was.
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so the 244 is cancelled, so wonder what will replace it
Wonder what the route changes to the 126 will be. Hazard a guess the line of route throw city centre or wolvo. Can't really mess much with a route that end to end is virtually a strait run??
Quote from: danny on May 29, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Wonder what the route changes to the 126 will be. Hazard a guess the line of route throw city centre or wolvo. Can't really mess much with a route that end to end is virtually a strait run??
Could be rerouting it back into Dudley Bus Station following the market works?
I'm guessing that some of the route changes will be due to the A38 Tunnels Closures in Birmingham City Centre from 18 July to 1 September.
@Roy Had forgotten about the tunnel closures again.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 29, 2014, 03:55:24 PM
so the 244 is cancelled, so wonder what will replace it
I for one don't believe that they are going to just cancel the 244, more likely it is a registration tidying up exercise with the route interworking with the 243
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 29, 2014, 06:35:59 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 29, 2014, 03:55:24 PM
so the 244 is cancelled, so wonder what will replace it
I for one don't believe that they are going to just cancel the 244, more likely it is a registration tidying up exercise with the route interworking with the 243
Correct!
I do wonder how they will change it? (244 that is)
Quote from: NXDom on May 29, 2014, 06:46:25 PM
I do wonder how they will change it? (244 that is)
See above, they are not! Although watch Vosa tomorrow for a few route changes in the area
The annual Cradley Heath/Old Hill changes then? I'm not surprised
@Winston, merge my 20th July thread with this one. I can't seem to find it.
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:02:54 PM
The annual Cradley Heath/Old Hill changes then? I'm not surprised
222 extended back to halesowen, 289 extended back to merry hill and 297 cut back to merry hill again ? Lol
If it's not that, it'll probably be the one way system in castle street in dudley town centre being reversed.
@Andrew they'll have to change the branding again!
@Andrew very funny, it's not like major changes are made in that area every year or anything. But it wouldn't surprise me whatever they did.
I wonder how the tunnel closures will reroute the 83 and 89, hopefully the same as last year, following the 101 to Colmore Row
Has there been any news on the Old Hill / Cradley Heath changes today?
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:02:54 PM
The annual Cradley Heath/Old Hill changes then? I'm not surprised
Could you elaborate on the "annual" Cradley Heath/Old Hill Changes?
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2014, 06:54:47 PM
Quote from: NXDom on May 29, 2014, 06:46:25 PM
I do wonder how they will change it? (244 that is)
See above, they are not! Although watch Vosa tomorrow for a few route changes in the area
Have the route change registrations you mentioned been published on VOSA today?
Quote from: Nathan on May 30, 2014, 09:01:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2014, 06:54:47 PM
Quote from: NXDom on May 29, 2014, 06:46:25 PM
I do wonder how they will change it? (244 that is)
See above, they are not! Although watch Vosa tomorrow for a few route changes in the area
Have the route change registrations you mentioned been published on VOSA today?
No, otherwise I would have posted them
Oh ok Winston :) I wonder if the timetable changes for the 9 are for the Summer Timetsble kicking in?
Quote from: Nathan on May 30, 2014, 08:52:04 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:02:54 PM
The annual Cradley Heath/Old Hill changes then? I'm not surprised
Could you elaborate on the "annual" Cradley Heath/Old Hill Changes?
@Nathan:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1595.msg40694#msg40694
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In Pensnett land we have routes changes to the following: 140/141/241, 205, 243 & 297
@Winston don't forget the 222!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 03, 2014, 09:31:48 AM
@Winston don't forget the 222!!
It's only a timetable change, it was PN route changes I was highlighting.
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
297 losing Halesowen to Merry Hill
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
297 losing Halesowen to Merry Hill
Frequency increase on the 141 to every 20 mins to compensate for the loss of the 297 between H'owen & Merry Hill?
But what then serves Coombs Rd / Old Hill Station?
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
297 losing Halesowen to Merry Hill
Frequency increase on the 141 to every 20 mins to compensate for the loss of the 297 between H'owen & Merry Hill?
But what then serves Coombs Rd / Old Hill Station?
241 extended to Merry Hill
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
297 losing Halesowen to Merry Hill
Frequency increase on the 141 to every 20 mins to compensate for the loss of the 297 between H'owen & Merry Hill?
But what then serves Coombs Rd / Old Hill Station?
241 extended to Merry Hill
Hmmm, didn't see that one coming.
Are you able to confirm the rest of the Pensnett route changes?
Changes to the 29/29A route again? Does anyone know what these are?
Will that affect then the 297 tendered journeys? 297H possibly?
do you know what's happening to the 127/128/129?
I imagine with the Birmingham routes 127/8 etc i.e Colmore Row routes will be to do with the tunnel closures, if it's not been mentioned already.
Quote from: Mike K on June 03, 2014, 04:24:15 PM
Changes to the 29/29A route again? Does anyone know what these are?
Tunnels?
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
297 losing Halesowen to Merry Hill
Frequency increase on the 141 to every 20 mins to compensate for the loss of the 297 between H'owen & Merry Hill?
But what then serves Coombs Rd / Old Hill Station?
241 extended to Merry Hill
Hmmm, didn't see that one coming.
Are you able to confirm the rest of the Pensnett route changes?
Wonder how they will extend the 241 to Merry Hill?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
297 losing Halesowen to Merry Hill
Frequency increase on the 141 to every 20 mins to compensate for the loss of the 297 between H'owen & Merry Hill?
But what then serves Coombs Rd / Old Hill Station?
241 extended to Merry Hill
Hmmm, didn't see that one coming.
Are you able to confirm the rest of the Pensnett route changes?
Wonder how they will extend the 241 to Merry Hill?
Via the current 297 route?
So yet another Merry Hill - Dudley route that goes "round the Wrekin" (as people from the area say!). Added to the 208, 222, 226, 243
Quote from: Matt on June 03, 2014, 05:48:02 PM
So yet another Merry Hill - Dudley route that goes "round the Wrekin" (as people from the area say!). Added to the 208, 222, 226, 243
"Round the wrekin" you missed a word out that begins with 'F' that a lot of the old biddies use lol
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 03, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 03, 2014, 04:24:15 PM
Changes to the 29/29A route again? Does anyone know what these are?
Tunnels?
@Liverpool Street, possibly so but the 22/3/4 only have summer timetable changes, no route changes. Maybe they've seen the light and curtailed them to Northfield again but I suspect not as I can't see route changes to other Frankley services.
Hmm,
@Mike K, that's a point... I know some of the buses has been bricked around Basil Road and Norrington/Borrowdale, maybe it's that reason?
Is the 140 going to still interwork with the 241? As this is already quite a fragile link what with Birmingham traffic, Halesowen traffic, Dudley traffic its going to be so unreliable
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 03, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
Is the 140 going to still interwork with the 241? As this is already quite a fragile link what with Birmingham traffic, Halesowen traffic, Dudley traffic its going to be so unreliable
Logic dictates the interworking will be discontinued, the 241 is seldom on time coming into Halesowen as it is, without having to force its way into Merry Hill.
Of course, if it does follow the 297 route up to Merry Hill, there won't be any more deckers on it. Although, without the interworking with the 140 they'd be able to use O405Ns.
Didn't
@Stu have a suggestion to extend the 241 to merry hill on his facebook page ?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 03, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
Is the 140 going to still interwork with the 241? As this is already quite a fragile link what with Birmingham traffic, Halesowen traffic, Dudley traffic its going to be so unreliable
I believe so, 140; 141 & 241 are all going on the same registration with Vosa, so 141 may show as withdrawn. 141 & 241 should give a combined 15 min frequency adn both follow same route!
127 extended to Dudley. 205 cut short
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 03, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
Is the 140 going to still interwork with the 241? As this is already quite a fragile link what with Birmingham traffic, Halesowen traffic, Dudley traffic its going to be so unreliable
I believe so, 140; 141 & 241 are all going on the same registration with Vosa, so 141 may show as withdrawn. 141 & 241 should give a combined 15 min frequency adn both follow same route!
127 extended to Dudley. 205 cut short
So Old Hill rail station is losing a bus service?
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 03, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
Is the 140 going to still interwork with the 241? As this is already quite a fragile link what with Birmingham traffic, Halesowen traffic, Dudley traffic its going to be so unreliable
I believe so, 140; 141 & 241 are all going on the same registration with Vosa, so 141 may show as withdrawn. 141 & 241 should give a combined 15 min frequency adn both follow same route!
127 extended to Dudley. 205 cut short
Is the 127 taking the same route as the 140/241 or will it take another route ?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
297 losing Halesowen to Merry Hill
Frequency increase on the 141 to every 20 mins to compensate for the loss of the 297 between H'owen & Merry Hill?
But what then serves Coombs Rd / Old Hill Station?
241 extended to Merry Hill
Hmmm, didn't see that one coming.
Are you able to confirm the rest of the Pensnett route changes?
Wonder how they will extend the 241 to Merry Hill?
They may send it down the way the 222 went, is that the same way as the 141 does currently?
Quote from: NXDom on June 03, 2014, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 01:45:19 PM
Wonder which end the 297 changes are this time. Not that long since the merry hill to halesowen end was changed.
297 losing Halesowen to Merry Hill
Frequency increase on the 141 to every 20 mins to compensate for the loss of the 297 between H'owen & Merry Hill?
But what then serves Coombs Rd / Old Hill Station?
241 extended to Merry Hill
Hmmm, didn't see that one coming.
Are you able to confirm the rest of the Pensnett route changes?
Wonder how they will extend the 241 to Merry Hill?
They may send it down the way the 222 went, is that the same way as the 141 does currently?
See three posts above yours
241 to merry hill?
Unless the 244 will serve Old Hill Station again?
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 03, 2014, 07:34:28 PM
Unless the 244 will serve Old Hill Station again?
Could do, until we get the route confirmed its all speculation. What is happening with the 244
Quote from: danny on May 29, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Wonder what the route changes to the 126 will be. Hazard a guess the line of route throw city centre or wolvo. Can't really mess much with a route that end to end is virtually a strait run??
If you look it said colmore row so its just a new terminus. :)
Quote from: NXDom on June 03, 2014, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: danny on May 29, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Wonder what the route changes to the 126 will be. Hazard a guess the line of route throw city centre or wolvo. Can't really mess much with a route that end to end is virtually a strait run??
If you look it said colmore row so its just a new terminus. :)
I think that's an old terminus left on the registration
Quote from: Matt on June 03, 2014, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 03, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
Is the 140 going to still interwork with the 241? As this is already quite a fragile link what with Birmingham traffic, Halesowen traffic, Dudley traffic its going to be so unreliable
Logic dictates the interworking will be discontinued, the 241 is seldom on time coming into Halesowen as it is, without having to force its way into Merry Hill.
Of course, if it does follow the 297 route up to Merry Hill, there won't be any more deckers on it. Although, without the interworking with the 140 they'd be able to use O405Ns.
Goodbye to the WB working on the 241!
@Stuharris 6360 unless they run it in reverse?
Quote from: Matt on June 03, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 03, 2014, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: danny on May 29, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Wonder what the route changes to the 126 will be. Hazard a guess the line of route throw city centre or wolvo. Can't really mess much with a route that end to end is virtually a strait run??
If you look it said colmore row so its just a new terminus. :)
I think that's an old terminus left on the registration
Oh yeah forgot VOSA was completely out of date
Quote from: Andrew on June 03, 2014, 06:47:26 PM
Didn't @Stu have a suggestion to extend the 241 to merry hill on his facebook page ?
Scarily, someone did once make that suggestion, but they wanted to extend it to Merry Hill from the Dudley end. ???
For anyone on Facebook, that post is here:
https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandsbususers/posts/650878544973571
@Stu it's like when i suggested the 25 and 26 should interwork and thats baisically what they did with a slight variation.
Quote from: Matt on June 03, 2014, 06:52:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2014, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 03, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
Is the 140 going to still interwork with the 241? As this is already quite a fragile link what with Birmingham traffic, Halesowen traffic, Dudley traffic its going to be so unreliable
I believe so, 140; 141 & 241 are all going on the same registration with Vosa, so 141 may show as withdrawn. 141 & 241 should give a combined 15 min frequency adn both follow same route!
127 extended to Dudley. 205 cut short
So Old Hill rail station is losing a bus service?
And the Saltwells/Dudley Wood area by the sounds of it.
Thats this areas links to Halesowen gone on Sundays and evenings and Brierley Hill etc. Would prefer to see the 141 re routed back round there or something similar. Does Quarry Bank High street need a 15 minute frequency? Could this be separated to still serve Saltwells and environs? Especially when Quarry Bank already has the frequent 002 going towards Halesowen plus the 004 (albeit going via Park Lane etc)!!! How many more services does it need though?!
The Coppice Lane/Saltwells stretch also suffers less traffic issues than the high street generally so would help reliability. I dont think there is a need for the quantity of Merry Hill to Halesowen buses that would serve the High St should the above info about the 20th July occur.
Edit: Forgot to mention Quarry Bank High Street has a 30min Freq with the 22 to Halesowen too!!!
So towards Halesowen, people on that high street have the 141, 002, 22, 004(at the top of the high street) and now possibly the 241!?!
Will the 241 run to MH during Evenings and Sundays? Or will it run as a 241E to Halesowen during these periods?
Quote from: Andrew on May 29, 2014, 11:39:31 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:02:54 PM
The annual Cradley Heath/Old Hill changes then? I'm not surprised
222 extended back to halesowen, 289 extended back to merry hill and 297 cut back to merry hill again ? Lol
If it's not that, it'll probably be the one way system in castle street in dudley town centre being reversed.
And that has turned out to be true!
The Dudley wood bit has the 217 anyway!
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 03, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
The Dudley wood bit has the 217 anyway!
Indeed but just 1 bus an hour 9-5pm Mon-sat only whereas the high street must have some 7 or 8 maybe even more an hour? Just seems very disproportionate and I have seen the 297 be well used in the Saltwells area.
Quote from: s94 on June 03, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 03, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
The Dudley wood bit has the 217 anyway!
Indeed but just 1 bus an hour 9-5pm Mon-sat only whereas the high street must have some 7 or 8 maybe even more an hour? Just seems very disproportionate and I have seen the 297 be well used in the Saltwells area.
To be honest i think the 297 was well used over the whole route between Merry Hill & Halesowen, in my opinion, if the route ain't broke, don't change it!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2014, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 03, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 03, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
The Dudley wood bit has the 217 anyway!
Indeed but just 1 bus an hour 9-5pm Mon-sat only whereas the high street must have some 7 or 8 maybe even more an hour? Just seems very disproportionate and I have seen the 297 be well used in the Saltwells area.
To be honest i think the 297 was well used over the whole route between Merry Hill & Halesowen, in my opinion, if the route ain't broke, don't change it!
Agreed. It might not be the busiest route in the area but it's an important link and well used as you say. Disappointing to say the least.
If Tonys info is correct then apart from a very occasional service provided by the 217, the saltwells area will lose another key service. Only the 276 remains. The 282 is just a few journeys a day.
Quote from: s94 on June 03, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 03, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
The Dudley wood bit has the 217 anyway!
Indeed but just 1 bus an hour 9-5pm Mon-sat only whereas the high street must have some 7 or 8 maybe even more an hour? Just seems very disproportionate and I have seen the 297 be well used in the Saltwells area.
The 243 is also having a route change as well, will that also be the Merry Hill end?
@Winston Wonder whether it will go into Cradley Heath Bus Interchange?
@Stuharris 6360 I was wondering if the 243 could potentially be being altered to take in some of the current 297 route through Dudley Wood / Coppice Lane etc, but it would have to go all around the wrekin, I can't imagine the Mogul Lane section of the 243 is that busy.
There does now seem to be a hell of lot of buses all using Quarry Bank High St, and it is always this group of routes that get at least annual alterations
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
297 messy hell to gornal via tansey green rd not trading est
714 school service new service to pensnett ex wolves
127 extended to dudley from blackheath via 205 route
205 dudley kingswinford only via trading estate
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 09:52:15 PM
@Stuharris 6360 I was wondering if the 243 could potentially be being altered to take in some of the current 297 route through Dudley Wood / Coppice Lane etc, but it would have to go all around the wrekin, I can't imagine the Mogul Lane section of the 243 is that busy.
There does now seem to be a hell of lot of buses all using Quarry Bank High St, and it is always this group of routes that get at least annual alterations
Absolutely. Surely with the amount going along the high street more buses are running emptier? Most don't get off at the high street but just want to go to merry hill. Whilst it's important the high street has a number of bus routes from different areas the number to and from Halesowen is ridiculous compared to other routes like the Saltwells. Surely they could be spears red somewhat to reach a wider amount of people whilst also improving reliability? The High street is regularly clogged up with traffic and is one more set of traffic lights to get through at the junction with the A4036 then would be Coppice Lane as it's only a straight across route to the boulevard.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 03, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
Ok that is interesting. So all could use double deckers? Is station road the one with the low bridge this allowing DD?
EDIT: Station road is the one with the low bridge so missing this out will mean Double Deckers for the route probably and hence the reasoning for missing this road out I would imagine.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 03, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
297 messy hell to gornal via tansey green rd not trading est
714 school service new service to pensnett ex wolves
127 extended to dudley from blackheath via 205 route
205 dudley kingswinford only via trading estate
Thanks Karl,
Will the 141 now becomes single deck, or the 140 & 241 become double deck as seen over the past week?
How is the 205 going to serve Pensnett trading estate? Still go all the way through it?
What's the route change on the 243?
Quote from: karl724223 on June 03, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
297 messy hell to gornal via tansey green rd not trading est
714 school service new service to pensnett ex wolves
127 extended to dudley from blackheath via 205 route
205 dudley kingswinford only via trading estate
Cue the residents of Wallheath (who never catch a bus) starting to complain again.
So we'll see 2 different 205's then and 2 different 297's!
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on June 03, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
297 messy hell to gornal via tansey green rd not trading est
714 school service new service to pensnett ex wolves
127 extended to dudley from blackheath via 205 route
205 dudley kingswinford only via trading estate
Thanks Karl,
Will the 141 now becomes single deck, or the 140 & 241 become double deck as seen over the past week?
How is the 205 going to serve Pensnett trading estate? Still go all the way through it?
What's the route change on the 243?
deckers I'm told
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on June 03, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
297 messy hell to gornal via tansey green rd not trading est
714 school service new service to pensnett ex wolves
127 extended to dudley from blackheath via 205 route
205 dudley kingswinford only via trading estate
Thanks Karl,
Will the 141 now becomes single deck, or the 140 & 241 become double deck as seen over the past week?
How is the 205 going to serve Pensnett trading estate? Still go all the way through it?
What's the route change on the 243?
Would think that the 141 will be a decker.
I wonder whether these changes are anything to do with the amount of single deckers that PE use, obviously the Mercs are now on borrowed time & there replacements being Tridents and the limited amount of B7RLEs they have, are they making certain routes more decker friendly?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on June 03, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
297 messy hell to gornal via tansey green rd not trading est
714 school service new service to pensnett ex wolves
127 extended to dudley from blackheath via 205 route
205 dudley kingswinford only via trading estate
Thanks Karl,
Will the 141 now becomes single deck, or the 140 & 241 become double deck as seen over the past week?
How is the 205 going to serve Pensnett trading estate? Still go all the way through it?
What's the route change on the 243?
Would think that the 141 will be a decker.
I wonder whether these changes are anything to do with the amount of single deckers that PE use, obviously the Mercs are now on borrowed time & there replacements being Tridents and the limited amount of B7RLEs they have, are they making certain routes more decker friendly?
It seems that way, I would have thought that PN may now be down for further Trident cascades, they may have to be borrowed off the 276 initially, until sufficient new vehicles arrive releasing Tridents for casade.
Still no Merry Hill service via Brickhouse Farm is disappointing. The curtailing of the 297 means there is no direct service between Halesowen/Old Hill/Cradley Heath and Russell's Hall Hospital/Pensnett. The 127 extension is a bit out of the blue, but I can see it being beneficial. As I stated earlier, the large amount of changes don't surprise me at all. Most of them sound good, with a few odd ones in there, in my opinion.
Do i take it that the 297 will no longer go to Stickley?
140/141/241 all interworking! Two Birmingham routes, two Merry Hill routes, two Dudley routes! Might as well forget whatever the timetable says on those! One traffic hold up and a bus could miss out a whole trip on a route! Going to be a nightmare!
Glad I've got my car insurance sorted I can tell you!
And as for the 205 and 297 they just can't help themselves messing about with them, changed annually it seems, the old dears haven't got a chance if even the bus community can't keep up
On a positive note, I'm glad to see the 53 is unchanged
As a semi regular user of the 8c inner circle, I hope the timetable changes don't affect the late night services too much as it can be very handy for work. Interesting that the Saltley Gate Inn is still the starting/end point of the route 25 years after demolition!
With the 127 extending back to Dudley via the 205 route and the changes made to the 89 last year, they may as well bring back the original 88/128/129 routes with the 88 following 205 route up to Dudley like it did years back.
I fail to see the logic in curtailing the 297 to Merry Hill, and the 241 picking up that section. For anyone needing to get to Merry Hill along the existing 241 route, it is quicker to change in Blackheath. Would it not be better off to just run a 141E between Halesowen & Merry Hill during the daytime?
Quote from: sonic84 on June 04, 2014, 01:13:38 AM
With the 127 extending back to Dudley via the 205 route and the changes made to the 89 last year, they may as well bring back the original 88/128/129 routes with the 88 following 205 route up to Dudley like it did years back.
I fail to see the logic in curtailing the 297 to Merry Hill, and the 241 picking up that section. For anyone needing to get to Merry Hill along the existing 241 route, it is quicker to change in Blackheath. Would it not be better off to just run a 141E between Halesowen & Merry Hill during the daytime?
Or even a 141A (for Saltwells?)
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 04, 2014, 01:14:51 AM
Quote from: sonic84 on June 04, 2014, 01:13:38 AM
With the 127 extending back to Dudley via the 205 route and the changes made to the 89 last year, they may as well bring back the original 88/128/129 routes with the 88 following 205 route up to Dudley like it did years back.
I fail to see the logic in curtailing the 297 to Merry Hill, and the 241 picking up that section. For anyone needing to get to Merry Hill along the existing 241 route, it is quicker to change in Blackheath. Would it not be better off to just run a 141E between Halesowen & Merry Hill during the daytime?
Or even a 141A (for Saltwells?)
Indeed, I think some sort of 141A seems feasible too.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2014, 10:59:39 PM
Do i take it that the 297 will no longer go to Stickley?
correct
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 03, 2014, 11:09:22 PM
On a positive note, I'm glad to see the 53 is unchanged
at the moment😉
Quote from: karl724223 on June 04, 2014, 04:44:54 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2014, 10:59:39 PM
Do i take it that the 297 will no longer go to Stickley?
correct
Cue local outrage once again! NXWM do know how to upset the Stickley and Brickhouse Farm residents!
I would much prefer it if the 297 was sent all the way back into Dudley again as this provided me with a 15 minute frequency into Dudley but that's a selfish move
Quote from: karl724223 on June 03, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
297 messy hell to gornal via tansey green rd not trading est
714 school service new service to pensnett ex wolves
127 extended to dudley from blackheath via 205 route
205 dudley kingswinford only via trading estate
Will Pensnett have any diagrams in the 127?
Quote from: gc802002 on June 04, 2014, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: karl724223 on June 03, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
140/141/241 on one running board ie 141 to brum then 140 to dudley then 241 to merry hill or opposite
241 will go like 297 route but not station rd and will go saltwells not curry bonk
297 messy hell to gornal via tansey green rd not trading est
714 school service new service to pensnett ex wolves
127 extended to dudley from blackheath via 205 route
205 dudley kingswinford only via trading estate
Will Pensnett have any diagrams in the 127?
I'd imagine the 127 would stay at WB
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 04, 2014, 08:36:33 AM
Quote from: karl724223 on June 04, 2014, 04:44:54 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2014, 10:59:39 PM
Do i take it that the 297 will no longer go to Stickley?
correct
Cue local outrage once again! NXWM do know how to upset the Stickley and Brickhouse Farm residents!
I would much prefer it if the 297 was sent all the way back into Dudley again as this provided me with a 15 minute frequency into Dudley but that's a selfish move
Realistically, not enough residents from those estates are using the bus services currently provided including the Wall heath extension of the 205, hence why the are being withdrawn. They only really have themselves to blame, NXWM aren't a charity, they need to at least cover their costs.
Odds on changes again this time next year??
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 04, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
Odds on changes again this time next year??
You going to put some money it???
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 04, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
Odds on changes again this time next year??
when's Cradley Heath interchange being redeveloped ? (if it still is) it'll probably be when that's finished
@sonic84 there was a reason the 88 was withdrawn.
Quote from: Andrew on June 04, 2014, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 04, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
Odds on changes again this time next year??
when's Cradley Heath interchange being redeveloped ? (if it still is) it'll probably be when that's finished
That's all gone quiet, now Merry Hill has changed hands maybe negotiations are taking place to allow an extension of time for when the money needs to be spent, so it can be used to re-develop Merry Hill as originally intended? Or is that just wishful thinking???
Quote from: Winston on June 04, 2014, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 04, 2014, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 04, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
Odds on changes again this time next year??
when's Cradley Heath interchange being redeveloped ? (if it still is) it'll probably be when that's finished
That's all gone quiet, now Merry Hill has changed hands maybe negotiations are taking place to allow an extension of time for when the money needs to be spent, so it can be used to re-develop Merry Hill as originally intended? Or is that just wishful thinking???
that could be the reason, Cradley Heath was supposed to have been started in the spring of this year so that may happen, I know intu want to make the centre "greener" and have already started by introducing recycling bins.
I would not rule out PE taking on the 127, as it would involve less dead milage operating out of Dudley. Plus, as mentioned, the PVR will reduce by maybe 2 or 3 buses.
Re - 127
From a spotters point of view, a new oppurtunity to get WB deckers on a quieter section of route. Didn't see the change coming like any of PE's upcoming changes. The 205 is pretty much dead in the water or will be soon so an idea for the future maybe incorporate it into the 226 or X26? But that's a whole other kettle of fish lol sorry
Once the 241 starts going to Merry Hill, that will attract a few gormless people who'll just see Merry Hill on the blind then moan when they realise where the bus is going
@bususer12 surely if it still interwork with the 128 and 129 to save buses. I would imagine that some shorts would terminate it Blackheath. We don't even know if evening and Sunday services will be operating the full route to Dudley yet
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 04, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
@bususer12 surely if it still interwork with the 128 and 129 to save buses. I would imagine that some shorts would terminate it Blackheath. We don't even know if evening and Sunday services will be operating the full route to Dudley yet
If the 127 ran to Dudley on evenings and sundays. Loadings wouldn't be great but the money would already be in the vault and it would save Centro money paying for two vehicles on the 205 if it became one or the contract just ended, just a thought
Quote from: Ashley on June 04, 2014, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 04, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
@bususer12 surely if it still interwork with the 128 and 129 to save buses. I would imagine that some shorts would terminate it Blackheath. We don't even know if evening and Sunday services will be operating the full route to Dudley yet
If the 127 ran to Dudley on evenings and sundays. Loadings wouldn't be great but the money would already be in the vault and it would save Centro money paying for two vehicles on the 205 if it became one or the contract just ended, just a thought
The loadings on the 127 may be better than the loadings on the 205, afterall the current birmingham bound buses from dudley aren't quiet.
Any more confirmation on the changes ahead? The 140/141/241 still defo going to be interworked?
Quote from: s94 on June 11, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
Any more confirmation on the changes ahead? The 140/141/241 still defo going to be interworked?
Yes as Karl said further up in the thread :) All will be operated by double deckers
http://b14kingsheath.net/profiles/blogs/kings-heath-50-bus-night-bus-service
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2014, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 11, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
Any more confirmation on the changes ahead? The 140/141/241 still defo going to be interworked?
Yes as Karl said further up in the thread :) All will be operated by double deckers
Hideous delays on all three to be expected then
Quote from: Kevin on June 15, 2014, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2014, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 11, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
Any more confirmation on the changes ahead? The 140/141/241 still defo going to be interworked?
Yes as Karl said further up in the thread :) All will be operated by double deckers
Hideous delays on all three to be expected then
Had a bit of a belated eureka moment yesterday about the 241 going to Merry Hill which is just daft to be perfectly honest. Why not extend the 99 to Merry Hill instead?
@Ashley I thought about extending the 99 ages ago but via the 002 route...
@the trainbasher @Ashley I wouldn't rule that out for next year's changes ::)
Quote from: Ashley on June 15, 2014, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: Kevin on June 15, 2014, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2014, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 11, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
Any more confirmation on the changes ahead? The 140/141/241 still defo going to be interworked?
Yes as Karl said further up in the thread :) All will be operated by double deckers
Hideous delays on all three to be expected then
Had a bit of a belated eureka moment yesterday about the 241 going to Merry Hill which is just daft to be perfectly honest. Why not extend the 99 to Merry Hill instead?
Liam, I know what you mean, it'll make more sense to be fair, but it'll be one beast of a route, mind. Remember, the buses are only small so you don't want too much patronage on this haha
<sigh> Here we go again.
In
@Liverpool Street's defence, their display pictures are similar!
Yes, maybe. Bless him but he knew the difference a while ago. Anyway, I have spoken to
@Liverpool Street in PM.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 15, 2014, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: Ashley on June 15, 2014, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: Kevin on June 15, 2014, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2014, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 11, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
Any more confirmation on the changes ahead? The 140/141/241 still defo going to be interworked?
Yes as Karl said further up in the thread :) All will be operated by double deckers
Hideous delays on all three to be expected then
Had a bit of a belated eureka moment yesterday about the 241 going to Merry Hill which is just daft to be perfectly honest. Why not extend the 99 to Merry Hill instead?
Liam, I know what you mean, it'll make more sense to be fair, but it'll be one beast of a route, mind. Remember, the buses are only small so you don't want too much patronage on this haha
Well there's a potential news article for next year or the year after "passengers on a 99 bus have to alight so vehicle can make the climb up to the QE" just a thought lol
The 241 is ridiculous to be honest. It's similar to the 131 from many years back which linked Merry and Dudley via Cradley, Halesowen and Old Hill. The amount of people that used to get on it, and have no idea it would "take them round the wrekin", which is why it was split into the 211 & 244.
The 99 would be a better route to extend, as I have suggested it seems to make more sense to either have a 141A or just a new route on its own running Merry Hill - Halesowen. With all the chopping and changed NXWM have done to the Halesowen - Merry Hill corridor, it no wonder the 002 is the most popular service to Merry Hill
@sonic84 with the additional provision by Hansons and Green Bus
True Sonic! Almost everyone from Halesowen bus station wanting to get to Merry Hill bus station uses the 002 as they know for sure where the heck its going!
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 16, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
True Sonic! Almost everyone from Halesowen bus station wanting to get to Merry Hill bus station uses the 002 as they know for sure where the heck its going!
I don't ;)
@Matt I bet you get the 22..
I usually try to get the 004, 297Wmsnt or 22. Supporting independent operators
Will the 297 evening service by WMSNT continue to run then between Halesowen and Merry Hill?
@s94 apparently Frankley depot are having some rota changes next month so watch this space!
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 16, 2014, 08:33:53 PM
@s94 apparently Frankley depot are having some rota changes next month so watch this space!
Interesting. Thanks for that. :)
Quote from: s94 on June 16, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
Will the 297 evening and Sunday service by WMSNT continue to run then between Halesowen and Merry Hill?
The 297 is NX all day Sundays.
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 16, 2014, 08:16:59 PM
@Matt I bet you get the 22..
I usually try to get the 004, 297Wmsnt or 22. Supporting independent operators
@the trainbasher good man!
Quote from: Matt on June 16, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 16, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
Will the 297 evening and Sunday service by WMSNT continue to run then between Halesowen and Merry Hill?
The 297 is NX all day Sundays.
Sorry Matt, indeed it is.
Quote from: s94 on June 16, 2014, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 16, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 16, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
Will the 297 evening and Sunday service by WMSNT continue to run then between Halesowen and Merry Hill?
The 297 is NX all day Sundays.
Sorry Matt, indeed it is.
@s94 no need to apologise! I've never understood why it's tendered weekday evenings but not Sunday evenings. Unless NX have the Sunday tender.
@Matt isn't the 297 run commercially on Sundays?
Halesowen to Merry Hill for me is either the 297 for the Mercs or 002 for the Centro's. Nothing else comes close
Does anybody know yet the route that the 205 will take in the Pensnett/Kingswinford area?
Also, it has been mentioned before in this thread that the registration for the 244 (PD0001111/440) has been cancelled as the 244 registration has been consolidated with the 243 (PD0001111/449). However, the description of the latter registration has not been changed. Thus the route/timetable change listed for service 243 might in fact be a route change for the 244 - possibly diverting it via Old Hill station and Coombeswood?
Quote from: Roy on June 17, 2014, 02:27:16 PM
Does anybody know yet the route that the 205 will take in the Pensnett/Kingswinford area?
Also, it has been mentioned before in this thread that the registration for the 244 (PD0001111/440) has been cancelled as the 244 registration has been consolidated with the 243 (PD0001111/449). However, the description of the latter registration has not been changed. Thus the route/timetable change listed for service 243 might in fact be a route change for the 244 - possibly diverting it via Old Hill station and Coombeswood?
Vosa very rarely change route descriptions when changes are made, hence the 126 still showing Colmore Row etc, so don't particularly read anything into that.
Quote from: Roy on June 17, 2014, 02:27:16 PM
Does anybody know yet the route that the 205 will take in the Pensnett/Kingswinford area?
Also, it has been mentioned before in this thread that the registration for the 244 (PD0001111/440) has been cancelled as the 244 registration has been consolidated with the 243 (PD0001111/449). However, the description of the latter registration has not been changed. Thus the route/timetable change listed for service 243 might in fact be a route change for the 244 - possibly diverting it via Old Hill station and Coombeswood?
The 205 will operate Dudley-Kingswinford only via Pensnett Trading Estate (Well thats what i gathered from reading previous posts).
127 will be extended to Dudley from Blackheath covering that section of the 205
Quote from: Nathan on June 17, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Roy on June 17, 2014, 02:27:16 PM
Does anybody know yet the route that the 205 will take in the Pensnett/Kingswinford area?
Also, it has been mentioned before in this thread that the registration for the 244 (PD0001111/440) has been cancelled as the 244 registration has been consolidated with the 243 (PD0001111/449). However, the description of the latter registration has not been changed. Thus the route/timetable change listed for service 243 might in fact be a route change for the 244 - possibly diverting it via Old Hill station and Coombeswood?
The 205 will operate Dudley-Kingswinford only via Pensnett Trading Estate (Well thats what i gathered from reading previous posts).
127 will be extended to Dudley from Blackheath covering that section of the 205
Yes, I realise that, Nathan. What I don't know is the specific route it will take. There seems to be 3 alternatives.
1. From Pensnett via Tansley Green Road, Stallings Lane and the Trading Estate back to Dudley Road.
2. From Pensnett via the Trading Estate, Stallings Lane and Moss Grove to Kingswinford
3. From Pensnett into the Trading Estate, then reverse to get back to Dudley Road.
If I was a betting man, I would guess option 3 as the Stallings Lane exit from the Trading Estate is closed on Saturdays, early mornings and evenings (hence the current 297A).
What is obvious is that it will have to be a 3-bus operation if it remains a 30 minute frequency as the current time from Dudley to Kingswinford is 33 minutes - and this will increase by about 5-6 minutes whatever the detour is.
The 20 July changes are now listed on the Network West Midlands website - although there is no mention of the 205, 241 or 297! As usual, about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/20July14.aspx (http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/20July14.aspx)
Quote from: Roy on June 20, 2014, 01:00:08 PM
The 20 July changes are now listed on the Network West Midlands website - although there is no mention of the 205, 241 or 297! As usual, about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/20July14.aspx (http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/20July14.aspx)
Most of the Halesowen / Dudley changes are not shown, the 243 is due a route change but only a timetable change is shown. The 127 extension is shown but no mention this is due to the withdrawl of 205 between Dudley & Blackheath. Maybe there is going to be a grand unveiling of these changes.
222 frequency to be reduced to every 40 minutes late evenings
Lol under 'Existing Terminals', the 127 is still shown as Birmingham to Merry Hill.
Quote from: s94 on June 20, 2014, 05:11:15 PM
Lol under 'Existing Terminals', the 127 is still shown as Birmingham to Merry Hill.
Yeah, also both 128 and 129 are shown as Birmingham to Blackheath! :o
Only a passing mention of the 50 night service, thought there would be a bit more about it somewhere? Any notices on buses or such?
Not a change as such, but from this date the 2, 3, 5, 31 & 50 services will be diverting from Bradford Street via Rea Street & Digbeth High Street around the coach station, as a result of traffic congestion anticipated by the tunnel closure. This in theory could lead to the possibility of services terminating outside the coach station if the Moat Lane section is severely congested?
Does anyone know what the minor route change is to the 29 in Weoley Castle?
Quote from: Roy on June 20, 2014, 01:00:08 PM
The 20 July changes are now listed on the Network West Midlands website - although there is no mention of the 205, 241 or 297! As usual, about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/20July14.aspx (http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/20July14.aspx)
[/quote like Roy said why havn't network westmidlands put all
known changes for July when they updated the site on Friday & when will the changes be
on travel wm website
there are some changes for the 19th July listed now :-\ put it here because it's so close to the July 20th changes
PD0001111/6 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Court Lane and City Centre, Upper Bull Street given service number 7 effective from 19-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/8 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Upper Bull Street and Pheasey Church given service number 46 effective from 19-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/38 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Corporation Street and Birmingham, Hawkesley Shannon Road given service number 35 effective from 19-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Stopping Places.
PD0001111/47 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Moor Street Queensway and Birmingham, Druids Heath given service number 50 effective from 19-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Stopping Places.
PD0001111/70 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Maypole, Maypole Lane given service number 2 effective from 19-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Stopping Places.
PD0001111/617 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Solihull Station given service number 5/5A effective from 19-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Stopping Places.
PD0001111/642 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Shirley, Green Business Park given service number 3 effective from 19-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Stopping Places.
PD0001111/681 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, Corporation Street and Solihull/Shirley given service number 31 effective from 19-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Stopping Places.
Tunnels
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 23, 2014, 10:35:01 PM
Tunnels
is that really gonna affect the digbeth routes that much to warrant a route change though?
Quote from: Kevin on June 23, 2014, 10:38:54 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 23, 2014, 10:35:01 PM
Tunnels
is that really gonna affect the digbeth routes that much to warrant a route change though?
Centro and NXWM think so
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ServiceAlterations/RoadworksandEvents/BirminghamTunnels.aspx
Quote from: Kevin on June 23, 2014, 10:38:54 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 23, 2014, 10:35:01 PM
Tunnels
is that really gonna affect the digbeth routes that much to warrant a route change though?
Maybe the Digbeth changes are to do with what Notepanel posted on the last page?
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 20, 2014, 01:54:24 PM
222 frequency to be reduced to every 40 minutes late evenings
From my back of a fag packet figures, it looks like the 222 could be being dropped to 2 buses on the track instead of 3
Quote from: Roy on June 17, 2014, 04:57:00 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 17, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Roy on June 17, 2014, 02:27:16 PM
Does anybody know yet the route that the 205 will take in the Pensnett/Kingswinford area?
Also, it has been mentioned before in this thread that the registration for the 244 (PD0001111/440) has been cancelled as the 244 registration has been consolidated with the 243 (PD0001111/449). However, the description of the latter registration has not been changed. Thus the route/timetable change listed for service 243 might in fact be a route change for the 244 - possibly diverting it via Old Hill station and Coombeswood?
The 205 will operate Dudley-Kingswinford only via Pensnett Trading Estate (Well thats what i gathered from reading previous posts).
127 will be extended to Dudley from Blackheath covering that section of the 205
Yes, I realise that, Nathan. What I don't know is the specific route it will take. There seems to be 3 alternatives.
1. From Pensnett via Tansley Green Road, Stallings Lane and the Trading Estate back to Dudley Road.
2. From Pensnett via the Trading Estate, Stallings Lane and Moss Grove to Kingswinford
3. From Pensnett into the Trading Estate, then reverse to get back to Dudley Road.
If I was a betting man, I would guess option 3 as the Stallings Lane exit from the Trading Estate is closed on Saturdays, early mornings and evenings (hence the current 297A).
What is obvious is that it will have to be a 3-bus operation if it remains a 30 minute frequency as the current time from Dudley to Kingswinford is 33 minutes - and this will increase by about 5-6 minutes whatever the detour is.
I've a feeling it will just go straight down Dudley Road with a turn into second avenue. But the cynic in me thinks diamond won't bother with second avenue on their runs.
With the 127 being extended along the 205 route to Dudley it will be reminiscent of the old hourly 127A, although that continued up Hagley Road, right into Wolverhampton Road, left into Stanley Road and right into Castle Road West to join existing 127 route at Bleakhouse Rd / Perry Hill Road.
243/4 no change of route
241 form Halesowen to merry hill the same way as 141 to merry hill
205 from dudley to kfud it will go in gate two and out of gate one ( main gate) won't go past garage serving stops by bookers only on Saturdays serves main road only so we have to walk to main road to catch bus
@karl724223 and this time next year it'll all change again!!
Roll on the 20th when Not in Service will be a favoured display because of all the late running!
You may be surprised 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: karl724223 on June 25, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
243/4 no change of route
241 form Halesowen to merry hill the same way as 141 to merry hill
205 from dudley to kfud it will go in gate two and out of gate one ( main gate) won't go past garage serving stops by bookers only on Saturdays serves main road only so we have to walk to main road to catch bus
So does that mean that nothing will replace the 297 route up Station Rd in Old Hil and via Coombeswood etc
Quote from: karl724223 on June 25, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
243/4 no change of route
241 form Halesowen to merry hill the same way as 141 to merry hill
205 from dudley to kfud it will go in gate two and out of gate one ( main gate) won't go past garage serving stops by bookers only on Saturdays serves main road only so we have to walk to main road to catch bus
@karl724223 So nothing to replace the Coppice Lane/Saltwells section? How
Many buses does Quarry Bank High st really need towards Halesowen? Quite ridiculous as I have seen the 297 well used on this stretch. Though Karl you did say it would not go via Quarry Bank before. Has this definitely changed now?
Nothing up station road /lodgefield rd
241 will go to merry hill same as 141 that's what's on the route descriptions I had to check over yesterday
Quote from: karl724223 on June 26, 2014, 07:49:09 PM
Nothing up station road /lodgefield rd
241 will go to merry hill same as 141 that's what's on the route descriptions I had to check over yesterday
Well I am surprised. Just think the amount of buses serving Q Bank High St for Halesowen is ridiculously high and you would think there would be enough! Lol.
Still nothing on NWM or National express about the remainder of the changes in the Merry hill area. Even had a survey from someone at Network West Midlands at my door this morning and they didn't know of any changes either. Just under 3 weeks to go too when some will find they have completely lost a key bus service now.
This kinda thing typical , notices of changes are only put up about 14 days before changes happen , then joe public have a go at us drivers for making things up as we go long. Looking forward to seeing the new 127/128/129 combined running boards . Currently when a 129 leaves West Bromwich it changes to the 127 in brum, up on returning to brum it changes to a 128 then back to the 129 this can over 5 hours 30 mins now we have two relief points to keep things legal. Not so great all the travelling about to and from relief point. Company has gone inter working mad IMO .
NXC confirm the following...
Improvements to route 900 with the introduction of late night journeys from 20th July 2014:
- A new 900 journey at 0020 Daily from Coventry (Pool Meadow Bus Stn) to Birmingham (Moor Street Queensway) via Birmingham Airport (at 0054)
- A new 900A journey at 0255 Monday-Saturday from Birmingham (Moor Street Queensway) to Coventry via Birmingham Airport (at 0326)
In addition some minor timing changes will take place.
In my opinion not much of a useful improvement as these two "new" journeys will be in lieu of running dead between BC and Coventry.
Note the 0255 will not run on Sundays (late night Saturday) which I would have thought would be best night of the week for patronage?.
Had an email from NXWM today following an email to them about the 297/241.
The 241 will definitely follow Quarry Bank High Street and will not serve Coppice Lane, Saltwells or Quarry Road.
So these people must now rely on just an hourly serve to Halesowen (Arrivas 217) and now only the 276 to Wollaston/Norton or Dudley. So thus the oversaturation of buses on Quarry Bank High st is about to increase even further.
Dont agree with this move at all.
Quote from: s94 on July 02, 2014, 07:30:56 PM
Had an email from NXWM today following an email to them about the 297/241.
The 241 will definitely follow Quarry Bank High Street and will not serve Coppice Lane, Saltwells or Quarry Road.
So these people must now rely on just an hourly serve to Halesowen and now only the 276 to Wollaston/Norton or Dudley. So thus the oversaturation of buses on Quarry Bank High st is about to increase even further.
Dont agree with this move at all.
Out of interest, what will the hourly service to Halesowen for residents of Coppice Lane, Saltwells and Quarry Road be?
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 02, 2014, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: s94 on July 02, 2014, 07:30:56 PM
Had an email from NXWM today following an email to them about the 297/241.
The 241 will definitely follow Quarry Bank High Street and will not serve Coppice Lane, Saltwells or Quarry Road.
So these people must now rely on just an hourly serve to Halesowen and now only the 276 to Wollaston/Norton or Dudley. So thus the oversaturation of buses on Quarry Bank High st is about to increase even further.
Dont agree with this move at all.
Out of interest, what will the hourly service to Halesowen for residents of Coppice Lane, Saltwells and Quarry Road be?
Just Arrivas 217.
There are housing estates off these main roads all now losing a regular connection to Halesowen. Why cant a variant be introduced? So from 20 July, surely Quarry Bank High st will be having near 10-12 buses to Halesowen an hour??? Is that not enough? Ridiculous whilst most suffer with 1!!! I know the 297 has been well used on the section its being taken away from.
So in other words, mushroom green loses its night service
Old Hill station loses its services
And coppice lane loses 2 buses a hour
Quote from: s94 on July 02, 2014, 07:37:33 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 02, 2014, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: s94 on July 02, 2014, 07:30:56 PM
Had an email from NXWM today following an email to them about the 297/241.
The 241 will definitely follow Quarry Bank High Street and will not serve Coppice Lane, Saltwells or Quarry Road.
So these people must now rely on just an hourly serve to Halesowen and now only the 276 to Wollaston/Norton or Dudley. So thus the oversaturation of buses on Quarry Bank High st is about to increase even further.
Dont agree with this move at all.
Out of interest, what will the hourly service to Halesowen for residents of Coppice Lane, Saltwells and Quarry Road be?
Just Arrivas 217.
There are housing estates off these main roads all now losing a regular connection to Halesowen. Why cant a variant be introduced? So from 20 July, surely Quarry Bank High st will be having near 10-12 buses to Halesowen an hour??? Is that not enough? Ridiculous whilst most suffer with 1!!! I know the 297 has been well used on the section its being taken away from.
Thanks for the info! I guess it'll be a boost for the 217 but a shame for other services... Is it a case of NX wanting a piece of the 002 between Halesowen and MH?!
If these sections of route carried enough people then surely they wouldn't be cut
@richie agreed. I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did.
Quote from: richie on July 02, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
If these sections of route carried enough people then surely they wouldn't be cut
But does Quarry Bank need any more?
I see your point but the route usually seemed to have fairly healthy loadings. Never rammed but not often too quiet. The Coppice Lane/Quarry Road section is a relatively small section of the route but I myself have seen it used by people on this road well. Has quietness elsewhere jeopardised the route for others?
Still, perhaps an argument would be the Coppice Lane/Quarry Road sections are fairly affluent with most having cars for transport. Nonetheless, quite a few elderly live on estates such as Birch Coppice and rely on these services. 1 bus an hour 9-5pm to Halesowen doesnt do much at all. Wonder if Hansons have ever thought of sending the 004 this way. The 007 to Bromsgrove used to serve the Coppice Lane part.
Quote from: s94 on July 02, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: richie on July 02, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
If these sections of route carried enough people then surely they wouldn't be cut
But does Quarry Bank need any more?
I see your point but the route usually seemed to have fairly healthy loadings. Never rammed but not often too quiet. The Coppice Lane/Quarry Road section is a relatively small section of the route but I myself have seen it used by people on this road well. Has quietness elsewhere jeopardised the route for others?
Still, perhaps an argument would be the Coppice Lane/Quarry Road sections are fairly affluent with most having cars for transport. Nonetheless, quite a few elderly live on estates such as Birch Coppice and rely on these services. 1 bus an hour 9-5pm to Halesowen doesnt do much at all. Wonder if Hansons have ever thought of sending the 004 this way. The 007 to Bromsgrove used to serve the Coppice Lane part.
Maybe it's more about journey times than how buses Quarry Bank needs, after all Quarry Bank High St is the most direct route in to Merry Hill from Halesowen
Quote from: Winston on July 02, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: s94 on July 02, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: richie on July 02, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
If these sections of route carried enough people then surely they wouldn't be cut
But does Quarry Bank need any more?
I see your point but the route usually seemed to have fairly healthy loadings. Never rammed but not often too quiet. The Coppice Lane/Quarry Road section is a relatively small section of the route but I myself have seen it used by people on this road well. Has quietness elsewhere jeopardised the route for others?
Still, perhaps an argument would be the Coppice Lane/Quarry Road sections are fairly affluent with most having cars for transport. Nonetheless, quite a few elderly live on estates such as Birch Coppice and rely on these services. 1 bus an hour 9-5pm to Halesowen doesnt do much at all. Wonder if Hansons have ever thought of sending the 004 this way. The 007 to Bromsgrove used to serve the Coppice Lane part.
Maybe it's more about journey times than how buses Quarry Bank needs, after all Quarry Bank High St is the most direct route in to Merry Hill from Halesowen
True but both routes are actually very similar times. The Coppice Lane section avoids one of the major sets of traffic lights at Merry Hill.
Well obviously nothing can be done about this now but disappointing nonetheless.
Quote from: s94 on July 02, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: richie on July 02, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
If these sections of route carried enough people then surely they wouldn't be cut
But does Quarry Bank need any more?
I see your point but the route usually seemed to have fairly healthy loadings. Never rammed but not often too quiet. The Coppice Lane/Quarry Road section is a relatively small section of the route but I myself have seen it used by people on this road well. Has quietness elsewhere jeopardised the route for others?
Still, perhaps an argument would be the Coppice Lane/Quarry Road sections are fairly affluent with most having cars for transport. Nonetheless, quite a few elderly live on estates such as Birch Coppice and rely on these services. 1 bus an hour 9-5pm to Halesowen doesnt do much at all. Wonder if Hansons have ever thought of sending the 004 this way. The 007 to Bromsgrove used to serve the Coppice Lane part.
A plc can't operate for the handful of elderly people that may catch a bus on a section of route I agree there should be a service and there is a social need but privatisation has done away with that it's now use it or loose it
Quote from: richie on July 02, 2014, 09:03:51 PM
Quote from: s94 on July 02, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: richie on July 02, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
If these sections of route carried enough people then surely they wouldn't be cut
But does Quarry Bank need any more?
I see your point but the route usually seemed to have fairly healthy loadings. Never rammed but not often too quiet. The Coppice Lane/Quarry Road section is a relatively small section of the route but I myself have seen it used by people on this road well. Has quietness elsewhere jeopardised the route for others?
Still, perhaps an argument would be the Coppice Lane/Quarry Road sections are fairly affluent with most having cars for transport. Nonetheless, quite a few elderly live on estates such as Birch Coppice and rely on these services. 1 bus an hour 9-5pm to Halesowen doesnt do much at all. Wonder if Hansons have ever thought of sending the 004 this way. The 007 to Bromsgrove used to serve the Coppice Lane part.
A plc can't operate for the handful of elderly people that may catch a bus on a section of route I agree there should be a service and there is a social need but privatisation has done away with that it's now use it or loose it
Indeed so richie. Its interesting doing some research actually that this section used to have the 258 and even the 141 for a time, 238/289/297, the 581, 007 and the 276. Soon it will be just the 276 and an hourly 217!
@s94 don't forget the 208 along Dudley wood road
I did say this last year, don't get used to any of the changes, because they'll change again, and someone's bound to be affected by the changes
@Sh4318My prediction for 2015
289 renumbered 4C and extended to Cradley via the 53 route, extended to Walsall
53 diverted to serve halesowen via the 244 route
241 to run Dudley to Halesowen to Hayley Green in the opposite direction to the 244
244 to replace 241 but via Old Hill Station
And finally, 297 extended to Cradley station via the 243 route then Cradley Forge to Cradley Station. with the 243 running direct via Lyde Green to Timbertree from Merry Hill.
Oh and 141 every 15 to halesowen from city, every 30 to merry hill with new number 9A
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 02, 2014, 11:47:26 PM
@Sh4318
My prediction for 2015
289 renumbered 4C and extended to Cradley via the 53 route, extended to Walsall
53 diverted to serve halesowen via the 244 route
241 to run Dudley to Halesowen to Hayley Green in the opposite direction to the 244
244 to replace 241 but via Old Hill Station
And finally, 297 extended to Cradley station via the 243 route then Cradley Forge to Cradley Station. with the 243 running direct via Lyde Green to Timbertree from Merry Hill.
Oh and 141 every 15 to halesowen from city, every 30 to merry hill with new number 9A
@the trainbasher ahaha! That's brilliant. Service 9 withdrawn, replaced by routes 9A, 141 and 002. Service 140 replaces service 222 between Dudley and Merry Hill. Routes 140, 141, 241 interwork at Merry Hill, routes 140, 141 interwork at Birmingham
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 02, 2014, 11:51:37 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 02, 2014, 11:47:26 PM
@Sh4318
My prediction for 2015
289 renumbered 4C and extended to Cradley via the 53 route, extended to Walsall
53 diverted to serve halesowen via the 244 route
241 to run Dudley to Halesowen to Hayley Green in the opposite direction to the 244
244 to replace 241 but via Old Hill Station
And finally, 297 extended to Cradley station via the 243 route then Cradley Forge to Cradley Station. with the 243 running direct via Lyde Green to Timbertree from Merry Hill.
Oh and 141 every 15 to halesowen from city, every 30 to merry hill with new number 9A
@the trainbasher ahaha! That's brilliant. Service 9 withdrawn, replaced by routes 9A, 141 and 002. Service 140 replaces service 222 between Dudley and Merry Hill. Routes 140, 141, 241 interwork at Merry Hill, routes 140, 141 interwork at Birmingham
Tempted to put £50 on one of them predictions happening!
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 02, 2014, 11:53:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 02, 2014, 11:51:37 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 02, 2014, 11:47:26 PM
@Sh4318
My prediction for 2015
289 renumbered 4C and extended to Cradley via the 53 route, extended to Walsall
53 diverted to serve halesowen via the 244 route
241 to run Dudley to Halesowen to Hayley Green in the opposite direction to the 244
244 to replace 241 but via Old Hill Station
And finally, 297 extended to Cradley station via the 243 route then Cradley Forge to Cradley Station. with the 243 running direct via Lyde Green to Timbertree from Merry Hill.
Oh and 141 every 15 to halesowen from city, every 30 to merry hill with new number 9A
@the trainbasher ahaha! That's brilliant. Service 9 withdrawn, replaced by routes 9A, 141 and 002. Service 140 replaces service 222 between Dudley and Merry Hill. Routes 140, 141, 241 interwork at Merry Hill, routes 140, 141 interwork at Birmingham
Tempted to put £50 on one of them predictions happening!
@the trainbasher Money back as a free bet if the 289 gets re-extended to Merry Hill
Quote from: Andrew on June 04, 2014, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 04, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
Odds on changes again this time next year??
when's Cradley Heath interchange being redeveloped ? (if it still is) it'll probably be when that's finished
That's all gone quiet, now Merry Hill has changed hands maybe negotiations are taking place to allow an extension of time for when the money needs to be spent, so it can be used to re-develop Merry Hill as originally intended? Or is that just wishful thinking???
Quote from: Winston on July 03, 2014, 12:48:31 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 04, 2014, 12:52:30 PM
when's Cradley Heath interchange being redeveloped ? (if it still is) it'll probably be when that's finished
That's all gone quiet, now Merry Hill has changed hands maybe negotiations are taking place to allow an extension of time for when the money needs to be spent, so it can be used to re-develop Merry Hill as originally intended? Or is that just wishful thinking???
I understand that a planning application is imminent. The problem is that the money has to be spent by the end of this financial year, so unfortunately it would seem that the original plan to rebuild Merry Hill Bus Station is not an option with this money.
Quote from: Roy on July 03, 2014, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 03, 2014, 12:48:31 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 04, 2014, 12:52:30 PM
when's Cradley Heath interchange being redeveloped ? (if it still is) it'll probably be when that's finished
That's all gone quiet, now Merry Hill has changed hands maybe negotiations are taking place to allow an extension of time for when the money needs to be spent, so it can be used to re-develop Merry Hill as originally intended? Or is that just wishful thinking???
I understand that a planning application is imminent. The problem is that the money has to be spent by the end of this financial year, so unfortunately it would seem that the original plan to rebuild Merry Hill Bus Station is not an option with this money.
Thanks Roy, that was actually a old post re-posted in error.
Good to hear this are potentially happening again, I presume you wouldn't have any further details of the proposed application at this stage?
I don't know the full details. Basically, the bus station would become two-way with buses that currently use the stop on the opposite side of Forge Lane using the bus station with stops on the island pavement. The last I heard was that they proposed to rebuild the covered walkway, make some major DDA-compliance improvements, and provide a joint railway/bus waiting area with new toilets. If they could find the money in the future, Centro would like to rebuild or revamp the current station building.
Quote from: Roy on July 03, 2014, 03:08:36 PM
I don't know the full details. Basically, the bus station would become two-way with buses that currently use the stop on the opposite side of Forge Lane using the bus station with stops on the island pavement. The last I heard was that they proposed to rebuild the covered walkway, make some major DDA-compliance improvements, and provide a joint railway/bus waiting area with new toilets. If they could find the money in the future, Centro would like to rebuild or revamp the current station building.
Sorry Roy, I'm getting my wires crossed. I thought you were referring to a imminent planning application for Merry Hill Bus station.
New owners have no plans to build new or refurbish old bus station at messy hell
Diamond will continue to operate the 205 service on eveninings and Sundays , tender due October .
Quote from: karl724223 on July 03, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
New owners have no plans to build new or refurbish old bus station at messy hell
That really surprises me, you have a lovely big shopping centre which to me is let down by the bus station.
One of the challenges for the new owners should be to encourage people to use public transport when they visit, who wants to do that when you have to wait in drafty shelters or even worse for some services, outside.
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That really surprises me, you have a lovely big shopping centre which to me is let down by the bus station.
One of the challenges for the new owners should be to encourage people to use public transport when they visit, who wants to do that when you have to wait in drafty shelters or even worse for some services, outside.
Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me. Intu, like Westfield, is only interested in maximising profits and are happy to fill their car parks, even though that means gridlock on the streets of Brierley Hill, Pensnett and Quarry Bank. They don't care that the current bus station is an accident waiting to happen. The only hope for the future is that they are forced to upgrade the bus station as it is not DDA compliant.
I notice that there are still no announcements about the July 20 changes. The cynic in me thinks that NXWM are scared to release the details because of the backlash they are going to receive from the Wall Heath mafia, Gornal councillors and people in Saltwells and Lodgefield Road. Fortunately, the old Transport User Forums have been disbanded. Had they still existed, there could have been unsavoury scenes like the ones in Dudley when the 206/207 and 294/295 were withdrawn. However, I can still see the Express and Star being filled with irate comments over the next couple of weeks.
Another explanation may be that Centro are trying to find alternative operators for the areas being abandoned by NXWM, and are delaying an announcement until they know what is going on. Centro are keen on integration of modes of public transport and the changes made by NXWM will cut the link from Saltwells to Cradley Heath station, and reduce links to Old Hill station.
Details of Black Country changes and timetables are now posted on the National Express West Midlands website.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-20th-july-2014 (http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-20th-july-2014)
Quote from: Roy on July 07, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
Details of Black Country changes and timetables are now posted on the National Express West Midlands website.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-20th-july-2014 (http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-20th-july-2014)
Doesn't clearly state how Old Hill and Saltwells will now be ignored. It's factually wrong the 297 has been replaced on this section. An attempt to delay/avoid complaints? So people will turn up to their bus stop on the 20th to find it just no longer exists.
The 241 timetable has been released (it wasn't up yesterday), it will only run to Merry Hill during Monday - Saturday daytimes, Monday - Saturday evening and Sunday journeys are all Dudley to Halesowen. The Sunday timetable of the 140/241 seems very similar to the current one, which makes me wonder what the allocation of the 2 routes will be on Sundays. Also, there are hourly shorts on the 244 between Halesowen and Hagley Green on Sundays, making that section of the route half hourly, I don't know if this happens currently, or if it's a timetable error or anything
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 08, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
The 241 timetable has been released (it wasn't up yesterday), it will only run to Merry Hill during Monday - Saturday daytimes, Monday - Saturday evening and Sunday journeys are all Dudley to Halesowen. The Sunday timetable of the 140/241 seems very similar to the current one, which makes me wonder what the allocation of the 2 routes will be on Sundays. Also, there are hourly shorts on the 244 between Halesowen and Hagley Green on Sundays, making that section of the route half hourly, I don't know if this happens currently, or if it's a timetable error or anything
The Sunday timetable especially seems to be a waste of resources, having a bus and driver hang around in Halesowen for 35 minutes is just a total waste.
Could a worker for nx or tony answer this, just checked the 126 time table, the last service Monday to Friday from Birmingham is at 2340, yet sayurday is midnight, is this an error and the midnight Monday to Friday night still running and its an error or has it been taken off?? just I depend on it if im back from work late, cheers
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 08, 2014, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 08, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
The 241 timetable has been released (it wasn't up yesterday), it will only run to Merry Hill during Monday - Saturday daytimes, Monday - Saturday evening and Sunday journeys are all Dudley to Halesowen. The Sunday timetable of the 140/241 seems very similar to the current one, which makes me wonder what the allocation of the 2 routes will be on Sundays. Also, there are hourly shorts on the 244 between Halesowen and Hagley Green on Sundays, making that section of the route half hourly, I don't know if this happens currently, or if it's a timetable error or anything
The Sunday timetable especially seems to be a waste of resources, having a bus and driver hang around in Halesowen for 35 minutes is just a total waste.
It's an error in the Sunday timetable towards Merry Hill/Hayley Green, the 'same time every hour' bit has 243 printed twice and the 244E is missing.
The Sunday 244E seems to interwork with service 241.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 08, 2014, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 08, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
The 241 timetable has been released (it wasn't up yesterday), it will only run to Merry Hill during Monday - Saturday daytimes, Monday - Saturday evening and Sunday journeys are all Dudley to Halesowen. The Sunday timetable of the 140/241 seems very similar to the current one, which makes me wonder what the allocation of the 2 routes will be on Sundays. Also, there are hourly shorts on the 244 between Halesowen and Hagley Green on Sundays, making that section of the route half hourly, I don't know if this happens currently, or if it's a timetable error or anything
The Sunday timetable especially seems to be a waste of resources, having a bus and driver hang around in Halesowen for 35 minutes is just a total waste.
It's not going to hang around for 35 minutes in Halesowen. That's what the new shorts on the 244 round Hasbury and Hayley Green are for. It's nothing more than a fill in turn for the 241 but good to see a more frequent service round the estates on a Sunday
@Stuharris 6360 looking at the timetables of the 241, 244. The 241 that arrives in Halesowen at xx:40, could go onto the 244E in Halesowen at xx:53, which will get to Lutley Lane for xx:00, returning to Halesowen at xx:11, to go onto the xx:15 241, I imagine this is the interworking that will take place. Evening 241s, however, have the 35 minute backdrop, which it has had for years, as long as I can remember.
EDIT:
@X94 &
@JPC beat me to it ;), obviously I didn't see their posts while I was writing mine ;D
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 08, 2014, 11:14:44 PM
@Stuharris 6360 looking at the timetables of the 241, 244. The 241 that arrives in Halesowen at xx:40, could go onto the 244E in Halesowen at xx:53, which will get to Lutley Lane for xx:00, returning to Halesowen at xx:11, to go onto the xx:15 241, I imagine this is the interworking that will take place. Evening 241s, however, have the 35 minute backdrop, which it has had for years, as long as I can remember.
EDIT: @X94 & @JPC beat me to it ;), obviously I didn't see their posts while I was writing mine ;D
Thanks, hadn't noticed the mistake on the 243/4 timetable.
The extension of the 127 over the hills to Dudley should be an interesting run on a B7TL double deck.
Portway hill will kill them ha
Extension 127 Dudley deckers climbing portway hill , I have driven Gemini,s ,presidents ,up portway hill most cope well , they don't struggle on tame road or brook fields road , on the other hand alx 400 b7tl with the voith box most do struggle with hills the odd one flyes up .
I was looking through the diamond timetables and found this:
http://diamond.tvstest.com/services/WestMidlands_5/127-DudleytoBlackheathNewServiceFrom200714_352.html
Will WMSNT still be running the 297 during the evenings?
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 10, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
I was looking through the diamond timetables and found this:
http://diamond.tvstest.com/services/WestMidlands_5/127-DudleytoBlackheathNewServiceFrom200714_352.html
Will WMSNT still be running the 297 during the evenings?
No. Been withdrawn.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 11, 2014, 12:13:20 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 10, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
I was looking through the diamond timetables and found this:
http://diamond.tvstest.com/services/WestMidlands_5/127-DudleytoBlackheathNewServiceFrom200714_352.html
Will WMSNT still be running the 297 during the evenings?
No. Been withdrawn.
Dis WMSNT ever register the 297 with VOSA, have looked it up on there website and can't find the registration?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 11, 2014, 02:10:03 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 11, 2014, 12:13:20 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 10, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
I was looking through the diamond timetables and found this:
http://diamond.tvstest.com/services/WestMidlands_5/127-DudleytoBlackheathNewServiceFrom200714_352.html
Will WMSNT still be running the 297 during the evenings?
No. Been withdrawn.
Dis WMSNT ever register the 297 with VOSA, have looked it up on there website and can't find the registration?
This week's notices and proceedings
Quote from: makkacdt on July 08, 2014, 11:11:56 PM
Could a worker for nx or tony answer this, just checked the 126 time table, the last service Monday to Friday from Birmingham is at 2340, yet sayurday is midnight, is this an error and the midnight Monday to Friday night still running and its an error or has it been taken off?? just I depend on it if im back from work late, cheers
Any idea with this please guys?
Quote from: makkacdt on July 11, 2014, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: makkacdt on July 08, 2014, 11:11:56 PM
Could a worker for nx or tony answer this, just checked the 126 time table, the last service Monday to Friday from Birmingham is at 2340, yet sayurday is midnight, is this an error and the midnight Monday to Friday night still running and its an error or has it been taken off?? just I depend on it if im back from work late, cheers
Any idea with this please guys?
Just checked the networkwm website and the timetable from 20th does have a midnight service mon-Fri.
ok cheers bud, im sure the one on nxwm said 2340 last one, can calm down now instead of worrying how to get home.
Yesterday while parked in blackheath myself and a very regular passenger handed out leaflets to people about service changes from the 20th vast majority didn't have a clue should be fun as usual on the day.
Despite the changes to Haleowen/Old Hill services beginning on Sunday, still no mention on the Network West Midlands website about services like 241/205 etc:
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 16, 2014, 06:45:53 PM
Despite the changes to Haleowen/Old Hill services beginning on Sunday, still no mention on the Network West Midlands website about services like 241/205 etc:
The flags on bus stops have been changed to show the 241
Quote from: Andrew on July 16, 2014, 06:50:02 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 16, 2014, 06:45:53 PM
Despite the changes to Haleowen/Old Hill services beginning on Sunday, still no mention on the Network West Midlands website about services like 241/205 etc:
The flags on bus stops have been changed to show the 241
They did the 22 flags way in advance, the timetables didn't appear until way too late though
Quote from: Matt on July 16, 2014, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 16, 2014, 06:50:02 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 16, 2014, 06:45:53 PM
Despite the changes to Haleowen/Old Hill services beginning on Sunday, still no mention on the Network West Midlands website about services like 241/205 etc:
The flags on bus stops have been changed to show the 241
They did the 22 flags way in advance, the timetables didn't appear until way too late though
Strangely they don't seem to have taken the 22 off the flags around Lyde Green?
It's a disgrace the full changes haven't been listed on NWM yet. So poorly updated that site.
Quote from: s94 on July 16, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
It's a disgrace the full changes haven't been listed on NWM yet. So poorly updated that site.
the new timetables seem to be on there, BUT for instance the 241 is still shown as Dudley - Halesowen via Blackheath, the 205 is still showing as running between Blackheath & Wallheath and some of Diamonds new timetables are showing as empty. Sure whoever maintains the website can do a better job than this.
Blinds being programmed tonight the font looks different
Just a shame still a lot of people probably have no clue about these service changes, especially for those to find they have just completely lost a service but oh well. More NWM problem for not updating the website.
Quote from: pensnettdriver on July 20, 2014, 01:00:09 AM
Blinds being programmed tonight the font looks different
Is it similar to the BC E200s SuperX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/13674240885/), 2102 style SuperX or like the BC B7RLE SuperX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/13609423365/)?
I guess with the changes, Pensnett will withdraw/transfer 3 mercs as they will have lost 1 off the 297, 2 off the 205, and WB may get 2 of them as they will have gained the Blackheath to Dudley bit of the 205
No the pensnett garage blind is in big writing the numbers look bigger
Am surprised that they didn't leave the 140/241 alone in these changes, i would have extended the 99 to Merry Hill and transferred 801 - 809 to PE to operate it.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2014, 07:51:43 PM
Am surprised that they didn't leave the 140/241 alone in these changes, i would have extended the 99 to Merry Hill and transferred 801 - 809 to PE to operate it.
The extension of the 99 to Merry Hill would require more than 8 buses to run. I couldn't see it being that beneficial myself as most areas that the 99 covers already has an adequate service to Merry Hill, not to mention the frequency of the 99 wouldn't allow any frequency patterns to be made with the 141 (99's every 20 mins, 141 every 30), although that change could give Old Hill station a direct service
Quote from: JPC on June 30, 2014, 09:55:10 PM
NXC confirm the following...
Improvements to route 900 with the introduction of late night journeys from 20th July 2014:
- A new 900 journey at 0020 Daily from Coventry (Pool Meadow Bus Stn) to Birmingham (Moor Street Queensway) via Birmingham Airport (at 0054)
- A new 900A journey at 0255 Monday-Saturday from Birmingham (Moor Street Queensway) to Coventry via Birmingham Airport (at 0326)
In addition some minor timing changes will take place.
In my opinion not much of a useful improvement as these two "new" journeys will be in lieu of running dead between BC and Coventry.
Note the 0255 will not run on Sundays (late night Saturday) which I would have thought would be best night of the week for patronage?.
Better empty and open to passengers than dead mileage! I have complained about to National Express about dead mileage so maybe they have actually listened to me!
Having seen posts regarding complex interworking, I hope Birmingham Central and Coventry could coordinate better on the 900, in the case the A45 is blocked.
My question is whether the additional journey's are permanent, or whether they are just during the summer timetable (e.g additional passengers wanting to get to the airport) It would be a shame if they weren't permanent, because I almost missed the last 900 one evening after going to Coventry's Godiva festival, the possibility of a 00:20 from Coventry would have made the evening less stressful.
Its 1am! I Best go to bed!
Quote from: JPC on June 30, 2014, 09:55:10 PM
NXC confirm the following...
Improvements to route 900 with the introduction of late night journeys from 20th July 2014:
- A new 900 journey at 0020 Daily from Coventry (Pool Meadow Bus Stn) to Birmingham (Moor Street Queensway) via Birmingham Airport (at 0054)
- A new 900A journey at 0255 Monday-Saturday from Birmingham (Moor Street Queensway) to Coventry via Birmingham Airport (at 0326)
In addition some minor timing changes will take place.
In my opinion not much of a useful improvement as these two "new" journeys will be in lieu of running dead between BC and Coventry.
Note the 0255 will not run on Sundays (late night Saturday) which I would have thought would be best night of the week for patronage?.
You would think so, but then again 11X doesn't run late night Saturdays either. I don't see why an every 1 hour and 20 minute night frequency can't have been made on the 900, so buses leave Moor St at 01:20, 02:40, 04:00, and Pool Meadow at 00:40, 02:00, 03:20, 04:40
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 23, 2014, 01:20:59 AM
You would think so, but then again 11X doesn't run late night Saturdays either. I don't see why an every 1 hour and 20 minute night frequency can't have been made on the 900, so buses leave Moor St at 01:20, 02:40, 04:00, and Pool Meadow at 00:40, 02:00, 03:20, 04:40
Note the 11X does run late night Mon - Sat evenings
but only during University Term Time.
I also had similar ideas for the 900....
Quote from: JPC on May 24, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
Note the following is just me guessing/what I think should happen based on the existing timetable so will hope the new journeys are:
0000*, 0120, 0240 and 0400S from Moor St to Coventry
0010^, 0120, 0240 and 0400S from Coventry to Moor St
* = existing 900E journey extended to Coventry.
^ = replaces the existing 0034 900E from BHX to Moor St but re-timed 10 minutes later.
S = Sunday morning only, otherwise there will be some gap in the timetable.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 20, 2014, 01:13:54 AM
Quote from: pensnettdriver on July 20, 2014, 01:00:09 AM
Blinds being programmed tonight the font looks different
Is it similar to the BC E200s SuperX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/13674240885/), 2102 style SuperX or like the BC B7RLE SuperX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/13609423365/)?
http://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/11360500.Bus_service_changes_hit_Halesowen/
I'm pretty sure they made no effort to tell of the changes! It's not really an improved 241 service either. Still the same frequency as 297, just inconveniencing more people. I can't help but think this change has been entirely money focused. For example NXWM want to shove operators off the Quarry Bank/Cradley section where the 002/004/22 all have a slice of the action. Not that this section needs such a stupidly high frequency of services to Halesowen.
Quote from: s94 on July 24, 2014, 10:08:09 AM
I'm pretty sure they made no effort to tell of the changes! It's not really an improved 241 service either. Still the same frequency as 297, just inconveniencing more people. I can't help but think this change has been entirely money focused. For example NXWM want to shove operators off the Quarry Bank/Cradley section where the 002/004/22 all have a slice of the action. Not that this section needs such a stupidly high frequency of services to Halesowen.
They had a notice on the website and posters on the buses detailing the changes.
Quote from: s94 on July 24, 2014, 10:08:09 AM
I'm pretty sure they made no effort to tell of the changes! It's not really an improved 241 service either. Still the same frequency as 297, just inconveniencing more people. I can't help but think this change has been entirely money focused. For example NXWM want to shove operators off the Quarry Bank/Cradley section where the 002/004/22 all have a slice of the action. Not that this section needs such a stupidly high frequency of services to Halesowen.
It will be entirely money focused, as the 297 was not paying its keep due to insufficient passengers using it over the section that has been withdrawn. I highly doubt that many passengers would board in Cradley & Quarry Bank High St for Merry hill, the bulk of the passengers will already be on board & have come from further afield.
It's all about the money and nothing but money , nx profit efficiency driven organisation full stop.
Quote from: 2900 on July 24, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
It's all about the money and nothing but money , nx profit efficiency driven organisation full stop.
As is every other PLC
Quote from: 2900 on July 24, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
It's all about the money and nothing but money , nx profit efficiency driven organisation full stop.
It's a business and Dean Finch has shareholders / the City to keep happy, it's not a charity.
If not enough people use the routes when they are there, I don't see how they can complain when they are withdrawn ???
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2014, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: s94 on July 24, 2014, 10:08:09 AM
I'm pretty sure they made no effort to tell of the changes! It's not really an improved 241 service either. Still the same frequency as 297, just inconveniencing more people. I can't help but think this change has been entirely money focused. For example NXWM want to shove operators off the Quarry Bank/Cradley section where the 002/004/22 all have a slice of the action. Not that this section needs such a stupidly high frequency of services to Halesowen.
It will be entirely money focused, as the 297 was not paying its keep due to insufficient passengers using it over the section that has been withdrawn. I highly doubt that many passengers would board in Cradley & Quarry Bank High St for Merry hill, the bulk of the passengers will already be on board & have come from further afield.
Indeed it is a shame money is so top of the agenda these days but that's the way it goes. I just think given the high frequency of services already I'm place in the Cradley/Quarry Bank area, that there would actually be more benefit serving other areas without the higher frequency. As you say many will just bypass the areas you mention and will have already got on board. However this
Clearly doesn't seem to be the way it's working out.
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2014, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: 2900 on July 24, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
It's all about the money and nothing but money , nx profit efficiency driven organisation full stop.
It's a business and Dean Finch has shareholders / the City to keep happy, it's not a charity.
If not enough people use the routes when they are there, I don't see how they can complain when they are withdrawn ???
The figure I have been given for usage along Lodgefield Road and Station Road in Old Hill is an average of 44 per day. Centro have said that they can't create a new tendered service along this route given that level of usage.
Quote from: Roy on July 24, 2014, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2014, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: 2900 on July 24, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
It's all about the money and nothing but money , nx profit efficiency driven organisation full stop.
It's a business and Dean Finch has shareholders / the City to keep happy, it's not a charity.
If not enough people use the routes when they are there, I don't see how they can complain when they are withdrawn ???
The figure I have been given for usage along Lodgefield Road and Station Road in Old Hill is an average of 44 per day. Centro have said that they can't create a new tendered service along this route given that level of usage.
I'd think less than 44 use the 282 in its entirety per day, and that keeps on going though. The 240's a little better, but i'd still say will be nearer the front of the queue for cuts. I'm surprised no ones gone to cover the old 610, that had more usage?
Don't forget that Centro's rules for tendered services are changing from October due to government cutbacks and that a lot of existing tendered services will be withdrawn or revised. I think that the threshold is 8 passengers per journey.
Quote from: Roy on July 24, 2014, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2014, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: 2900 on July 24, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
It's all about the money and nothing but money , nx profit efficiency driven organisation full stop.
It's a business and Dean Finch has shareholders / the City to keep happy, it's not a charity.
If not enough people use the routes when they are there, I don't see how they can complain when they are withdrawn ???
The figure I have been given for usage along Lodgefield Road and Station Road in Old Hill is an average of 44 per day. Centro have said that they can't create a new tendered service along this route given that level of usage.
Don't suppose you know the figures for Coppice Lane, Quarry Road/St Anne's Road?
What figures are needed for anew tendered service?
Quote from: Roy on July 24, 2014, 05:31:05 PM
Don't forget that Centro's rules for tendered services are changing from October due to government cutbacks and that a lot of existing tendered services will be withdrawn or revised. I think that the threshold is 8 passengers per journey.
That is relatively high if you think about it. I reckon a significant amount of routes will be cutback using that criteria. Speaking logically though, if WCC cuts are anything to go by, the initial proposal to withdraw essentially everything was soon changed.
Quote from: Roy on July 24, 2014, 05:31:05 PM
Don't forget that Centro's rules for tendered services are changing from October due to government cutbacks and that a lot of existing tendered services will be withdrawn or revised. I think that the threshold is 8 passengers per journey.
That threshold is a bit dependant on route length though, as a short route such as 205 evening, which can 2x as many journeys than say the 255 evening service, is the threshold for both 8 passengers, or is it something more measurable such as 12 passengers per hour for example.
Quote from: s94 on July 24, 2014, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: Roy on July 24, 2014, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2014, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: 2900 on July 24, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
It's all about the money and nothing but money , nx profit efficiency driven organisation full stop.
It's a business and Dean Finch has shareholders / the City to keep happy, it's not a charity.
If not enough people use the routes when they are there, I don't see how they can complain when they are withdrawn ???
The figure I have been given for usage along Lodgefield Road and Station Road in Old Hill is an average of 44 per day. Centro have said that they can't create a new tendered service along this route given that level of usage.
Don't suppose you know the figures for Coppice Lane, Quarry Road/St Anne's Road?
What figures are needed for anew tendered service?
There's the 217, which is a tendered service. Look at it this way, the 217 should carry more than the threshold to remain after October. But if there were more frequent NX services going down there, the 217 might have been withdrawn come October due to lack of use.
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2014, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 20, 2014, 01:13:54 AM
Quote from: pensnettdriver on July 20, 2014, 01:00:09 AM
Blinds being programmed tonight the font looks different
Is it similar to the BC E200s SuperX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/13674240885/), 2102 style SuperX or like the BC B7RLE SuperX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/13609423365/)?
http://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/11360500.Bus_service_changes_hit_Halesowen/
LOL i like the motorbike and the sidecar comment for the 297 :P
To answer a few questions.
The Centro document regarding subsidised bus services reads :-
There will be a change to Subsidised Bus Access Standards. The minimum number of passengers per journey will rise from 5 to 8 and the cost per journey will be reduced to a maximum of £1.60. These new standards will be applied when the current contracts come to an end - starting from October 2014.
I was forwarded an email reply from Centro regarding Lodgefield Road by somebody who actually asked why the service was being withdrawn. I do not have the figures for St Annes Road as that question was not asked. However, the reply does say that to set up a brand-new subsidised service would require about 150 passengers per day.
Express and Star is only a week late http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2014/07/29/merry-hill-bus-changes-spell-upheaval-for-users/
@Andrew they're quick at moaning about councils and parking yet slow when it comes to buses...usually
Quote from: Andrew on July 29, 2014, 06:48:53 PM
Express and Star is only a week late http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2014/07/29/merry-hill-bus-changes-spell-upheaval-for-users/
Is this article released annually ;)
It's now nearly a fortnight since significant changes were made to the 127 and 205 routes, yet you still can't get the new timetable booklets. Isn't it time Centro got their act together ?
Quote from: Roy on July 31, 2014, 02:23:54 PM
It's now nearly a fortnight since significant changes were made to the 127 and 205 routes, yet you still can't get the new timetable booklets. Isn't it time Centro got their act together ?
Not Centro admittedly, but why did Whittle's put their timetable booklet in Wolverhampton Travel Shop when they have no routes there?
They should have put them in Stourbridge instead!
Another article in the Express and star on Saturday about these changes.
Over 100 have signed a petition against the changes.
I know the staffing situation at Centro is pants.The axe finally caught up with Centro. Many largely untrained certainly inexperienced people dealing with unfamiliar stuff.Its a wonder the tender documents went out on time it`s that bad.
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on August 11, 2014, 12:14:40 PM
I know the staffing situation at Centro is pants.The axe finally caught up with Centro. Many largely untrained certainly inexperienced people dealing with unfamiliar stuff.Its a wonder the tender documents went out on time it`s that bad.
Are you suggesting some of the changes made recently have not been fairly made? Have they been rushed, inappropriately considered?