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Title: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on January 28, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
I'm not sure whether the thread has been set up before.

Another thread I have been meaning to set up for some time

Which route in the Midlands (I suppose if you can think of others from other parts of the country then that's fine too) has the biggest drop in frequency?

Eg NX WN 11 is every 8-10 minutes during the day Mon-Sat but on a Sunday evening its every hour

Also NX PN 9 is every 4 minutes at peak times but late night its every 30 minutes at night
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
The (WB) 42 is every 5-10 minutes (with Diamond) during the day and hourly evenings and Sundays. The 9 is every 4 minutes at peak times?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 09:27:49 PM
I suppose the 97 is one of the worst, upto every 4 minutes at peaks, then hourly at night.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on January 28, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
The (WB) 42 is every 5-10 minutes (with Diamond) during the day and hourly evenings and Sundays. The 9 is every 4 minutes at peak times?

Looking at the timetable it is every 4 minutes morning peak and wouldn't surprise me If it was a tiny bit more frequent.

A route like the 9 you would imagine to be more frequent than WN 59 which is every 4 minutes between most morning peak trips.

Anyway back on topic WN 2 is every 6-8 minutes Peak times (8 minutes during the day) and half hourly evening and
Sundays

WN 3/4-Every 15 minutes Mon-Sat Daytime. Hourly on Evenings/Sundays
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on January 28, 2014, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
The (WB) 42 is every 5-10 minutes (with Diamond) during the day and hourly evenings and Sundays. The 9 is every 4 minutes at peak times?

Looking at the timetable it is every 4 minutes morning peak.

There is probably the odd journey that is 4 minutes before/after the next/previous, but at peaks gaps are generally 5/6 mins
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Liverpool Street on January 28, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
Every 9 minutes max in peak, then half hourly at night - 45/47. That does make it every 15 along the Pershore Road itself which is disgusting in my opinion. I've always been against that timing.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 28, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
Every 9 minutes max in peak, then half hourly at night - 45/47. That does make it every 15 along the Pershore Road itself which is disgusting in my opinion. I've always been against that timing.

Why?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Westy on January 28, 2014, 11:21:37 PM
NX 301 - Every 6 minutes during the day, then drops to half hourly at night.

(Admittedly helped by the 302 between Walsall & Bloxwich at night, combining to every 15 mins)
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 11:30:15 PM
Surprised the 37 hasn't been discussed, every 5 minutes during the day (same frequency as the 50!), every 30 minutes during the evening
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on January 28, 2014, 11:41:35 PM
The 44/C (Worcester - Powick - Malvern Link - Great Malvern) is an interesting one, running every 10 minutes during the day Mon-Sat, then down to hourly in the evening, and hourly Sunday daytime only.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: the trainbasher on January 29, 2014, 12:32:18 AM
226 from every 15 to every hour
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 07:25:51 AM
46 every 15 then to every 20 then to every 30 then to hourly at nights
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Liverpool Street on January 29, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 28, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
Every 9 minutes max in peak, then half hourly at night - 45/47. That does make it every 15 along the Pershore Road itself which is disgusting in my opinion. I've always been against that timing.

Why?

You do realise how busy a half hourly 45/47 is at that time of night? Good luck getting a seat which isn't half-occupied by a crackhead
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on January 29, 2014, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 11:30:15 PM
Surprised the 37 hasn't been discussed, every 5 minutes during the day (same frequency as the 50!), every 30 minutes during the evening

Tbh I am very surprised WN 59 still has a 9 minute frequency up till 8 then a 12 minute frequency till end of service!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Liverpool Street on January 29, 2014, 10:04:03 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 29, 2014, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 11:30:15 PM
Surprised the 37 hasn't been discussed, every 5 minutes during the day (same frequency as the 50!), every 30 minutes during the evening

Tbh I am very surprised WN 59 still has a 9 minute frequency from 8 up till 9PM then a 12 minute frequency till end of service!

That is an excellent frequency. What time is the last and first buses?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: P419 EJW on January 29, 2014, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 29, 2014, 10:04:03 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 29, 2014, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 11:30:15 PM
Surprised the 37 hasn't been discussed, every 5 minutes during the day (same frequency as the 50!), every 30 minutes during the evening

Tbh I am very surprised WN 59 still has a 9 minute frequency from 8 up till 9PM then a 12 minute frequency till end of service!

That is an excellent frequency. What time is the last and first buses?

59 timetable here. (http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=33059&net=cen&project=y11&sup=B&lineVer=3&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=33059&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=B&itdLPxx_lineVer=3&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=) It will answer your question when you get to read the timetable yourself, LS.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on January 29, 2014, 10:17:05 AM
First 59 of the day Mon-Sat is 05:00 from Ash more Park (Then 05:30/05:50,6:05 then every 7-12 till 7 then every 4-7 minutes on average during the day) last bus is 23:24 from Wolverhampton and 23:25 from Ashmore Park
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: JoNi on January 29, 2014, 02:38:24 PM
When in Acocks Green one night I had to wait 27 minutes for a 37 after finding it drops from every five minutes in the daytime to every 30 minutes at night. It was virtually full when it arrived!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on January 29, 2014, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 29, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 28, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
Every 9 minutes max in peak, then half hourly at night - 45/47. That does make it every 15 along the Pershore Road itself which is disgusting in my opinion. I've always been against that timing.

Why?

You do realise how busy a half hourly 45/47 is at that time of night? Good luck getting a seat which isn't half-occupied by a crackhead

Last time I got it in the evening it was busy not but rammed. Surely it must quieten down after Cotteridge?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Liverpool Street on January 29, 2014, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 29, 2014, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 29, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 28, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
Every 9 minutes max in peak, then half hourly at night - 45/47. That does make it every 15 along the Pershore Road itself which is disgusting in my opinion. I've always been against that timing.

Why?

You do realise how busy a half hourly 45/47 is at that time of night? Good luck getting a seat which isn't half-occupied by a crackhead

Last time I got it in the evening it was busy not but rammed. Surely it must quieten down after Cotteridge?

Well yes, naturally, but I'd rather not be in the vicinity of the scabs up to Cotteridge.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Kevin on January 30, 2014, 10:58:59 PM
Evening frequencies in general disgust me... getting the 51 from town after 8 is hell, granted by the time we get to One Stop half of them have got off, but still busy from there on. Yeah they can say that it's a "15 minute frequency with the 33 along that part of the route", but even that isn't enough.
I know that it's all down to getting drivers to work, but surely there would be enough willing to these days? I mean look how many volunteered to work Boxing Day!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: monkeyjoe on January 30, 2014, 11:05:08 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 29, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 28, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 28, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
Every 9 minutes max in peak, then half hourly at night - 45/47. That does make it every 15 along the Pershore Road itself which is disgusting in my opinion. I've always been against that timing.

Why?

You do realise how busy a half hourly 45/47 is at that time of night? Good luck getting a seat which isn't half-occupied by a crackhead


I thought the 45/47 each have a 20 min freq in eves and its a 10 min along Pershore Rd, apologies if this has already been said. Not read the whole thread yet.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: monkeyjoe on January 30, 2014, 11:06:59 PM
IN general though over the years daytime freq and sundays have increased and evening reduced. I guess they have to balance the books and capitalize when NXWM virtually has sweet FA competition.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on January 31, 2014, 08:22:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

The most frequent service operated by NX in the evening is WN59 which is every 12 minutes till end of service
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Liverpool Street on January 31, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 31, 2014, 08:22:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

The most frequent service operated by NX in the evening is WN59 which is every 12 minutes till end of service

Nath. Is it really that busy at night to allow a 12 minute service?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on January 31, 2014, 05:09:37 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 31, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 31, 2014, 08:22:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

The most frequent service operated by NX in the evening is WN59 which is every 12 minutes till end of service

Nath. Is it really that busy at night to allow a 12 minute service?

It can get busy coming out of W'ton in the evening. It only requires 4 buses in the evening
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on January 31, 2014, 05:24:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 31, 2014, 05:09:37 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 31, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 31, 2014, 08:22:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

The most frequent service operated by NX in the evening is WN59 which is every 12 minutes till end of service

Nath. Is it really that busy at night to allow a 12 minute service?

It can get busy coming out of W'ton in the evening. It only requires 4 buses in the evening

Even at 11pm?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on January 31, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
Fri/Sat night it can be although after 10PM I think more buses should be taken off so its every 15-20 minutes till end of service
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on January 31, 2014, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 31, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
Fri/Sat night it can be although after 10PM I think more buses should be taken off so its every 15-20 minutes till end of service

I'd have it every 20 minutes with 3 vehicles. The extra drop-back time would allow for running times to be made more realistic, so drivers can keep to time whilst driving safely
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: tc on January 31, 2014, 11:50:49 PM
Just as a contrast, is this the smallest drop in frequency?

Brighton & Hove Route 25 - every 3 minutes Monday-Friday Peak Hours, every 5 minutes Monday-Friday Daytime, every 7-8 minutes Saturday Daytime, every 10 minutes Monday-Saturday Evenings, every 12 minutes Sunday Daytimes, every 15 minutes Sunday Evenings, every 10 minutes Monday-Saturday Nights, every 30 minutes Sunday Night. Can't be many routes which are more frequent at night than on a Sunday Daytime!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Lukeee on February 23, 2014, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

The 7 is every 20 mins until 10 o clock
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Stu on February 23, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Lukeee on February 23, 2014, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

The 7 is every 20 mins until 10 o clock

The Outer Circle 11A/C is every 20 minutes in the evening until end of service
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on February 23, 2014, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on February 23, 2014, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

The 7 is every 20 mins until 10 o clock

I was referring until end of service

Quote from: Stu on February 23, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Lukeee on February 23, 2014, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

The 7 is every 20 mins until 10 o clock

The Outer Circle 11A/C is every 20 minutes in the evening until end of service

And routes that enter the City Centre
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Ashley on February 23, 2014, 10:23:38 PM
one example from outside the Midlands which has always baffled me but Stagecoach Gold service 10 (Cheltenham - Gloucester - Lower Tuffley). This is a route which is every 10 minutes monday to saturday daytimes but in contrast has a service gap of two hours on a sunday night on the last three journeys
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Roy on February 24, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: tc on January 31, 2014, 11:50:49 PM
Just as a contrast, is this the smallest drop in frequency?

Brighton & Hove Route 25 - every 3 minutes Monday-Friday Peak Hours, every 5 minutes Monday-Friday Daytime, every 7-8 minutes Saturday Daytime, every 10 minutes Monday-Saturday Evenings, every 12 minutes Sunday Daytimes, every 15 minutes Sunday Evenings, every 10 minutes Monday-Saturday Nights, every 30 minutes Sunday Night. Can't be many routes which are more frequent at night than on a Sunday Daytime!

The thing is that this is the route that serves both universities in Brighton, so more students travel after midnight than on a Sunday daytime (when they're sleeping it off).  Incidentally, the Monday to Saturday evening frequency is increasing from every 10 minutes to every 7-8 minutes from 13 April due to demand from students wanting to hit the town.

The other thing to note is that the 13 April changes have been posted (in detail) on the B&H website since 8 January.  Why can't this level of advance information be made available in the West Midlands?   (http://history.buses.co.uk/history/SummerPreviewApril2014.htm (http://history.buses.co.uk/history/SummerPreviewApril2014.htm))
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: makkacdt on February 27, 2014, 12:36:57 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Off the top of my head, the only routes I can think of that are over every 30 minutes in the evening are the 50, 60 & 126, in Birmingham anyway

126 goes to 20 mins up till the last bus a midnight from brum, I belive the 60 is every 20 also, apart from the last 2 services from Birmingham which are half hour, don't quote me on that, but when coming from work on the night, theres usally a 60 which is parked up has a twenty min lay over, then the goes out when the next one comes in with 2 going out of service when arriving
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: tc on April 17, 2014, 09:02:26 PM
Route 525 in Halifax, West Yorkshire is surprising: every 7 minutes from 0800 to 1230 Monday to Saturday, no afternoon, evening or Sunday service! http://www.wymetro.com/site/handlers/buses/timetables/pdf.ashx?route=525&code=
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on April 17, 2014, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: tc on April 17, 2014, 09:02:26 PM
Route 525 in Halifax, West Yorkshire is surprising: every 7 minutes from 0800 to 1230 Monday to Saturday, no afternoon, evening or Sunday service! http://www.wymetro.com/site/handlers/buses/timetables/pdf.ashx?route=525&code=

Is there a similar service which replaces it?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Cheese on April 17, 2014, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 17, 2014, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: tc on April 17, 2014, 09:02:26 PM
Route 525 in Halifax, West Yorkshire is surprising: every 7 minutes from 0800 to 1230 Monday to Saturday, no afternoon, evening or Sunday service! http://www.wymetro.com/site/handlers/buses/timetables/pdf.ashx?route=525&code=

Is there a similar service which replaces it?

Halifax Bus Company also operate a 600 service which runs a similar route to Ovenden then back via a different route, but that seems to run for most of the day rather than just for half of it.  Probably with Ivecos or Merc 709Ds, seemed to be using plenty of them on their 300 service in Sowerby Bridge over Christmas.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on May 29, 2014, 06:34:01 PM
Diamond 57/58

Every 3-4 minutes during the day, no service beyond 21:35 (except Friday)
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Stu on May 29, 2014, 06:39:18 PM
On a side note, AG's 1 has the same daytime frequency (every 20 mins) Monday to Sunday now. (not counting peak extras of course!)

Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on May 29, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 29, 2014, 06:39:18 PM
On a side note, AG's 1 has the same daytime frequency (every 20 mins) Monday to Sunday now. (not counting peak extras of course!)

There can't be many routes for which that can be said

141 at Pensnett is half hourly Mon-Sun
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
@Nathan and the 48. The 60 "technically" has a higher frequency on a Sunday then any other day
Monday - Saturday: 4 buses an hour
Sunday: 6 buses an hour (3 buses an hour terminating short at Swan Island)
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on May 29, 2014, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
@Nathan and the 48. The 60 "technically" has a higher frequency on a Sunday then any other day
Monday - Saturday: 4 buses an hour
Sunday: 6 buses an hour (3 buses an hour terminating short at Swan Island)

I hope you mean @Matt!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 29, 2014, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
@Nathan and the 48. The 60 "technically" has a higher frequency on a Sunday then any other day
Monday - Saturday: 4 buses an hour
Sunday: 6 buses an hour (3 buses an hour terminating short at Swan Island)

I hope you mean @Matt!

Aha! Can't tell you two apart sometimes :P @Matt
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on May 29, 2014, 08:31:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 29, 2014, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
@Nathan and the 48. The 60 "technically" has a higher frequency on a Sunday then any other day
Monday - Saturday: 4 buses an hour
Sunday: 6 buses an hour (3 buses an hour terminating short at Swan Island)

I hope you mean @Matt!

Aha! Can't tell you two apart sometimes :P @Matt

Errrm, ok!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 29, 2014, 08:31:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 29, 2014, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
@Nathan and the 48. The 60 "technically" has a higher frequency on a Sunday then any other day
Monday - Saturday: 4 buses an hour
Sunday: 6 buses an hour (3 buses an hour terminating short at Swan Island)

I hope you mean @Matt!

Aha! Can't tell you two apart sometimes :P @Matt

Errrm, ok!

That was a joke?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on May 29, 2014, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 29, 2014, 08:31:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 29, 2014, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
@Nathan and the 48. The 60 "technically" has a higher frequency on a Sunday then any other day
Monday - Saturday: 4 buses an hour
Sunday: 6 buses an hour (3 buses an hour terminating short at Swan Island)

I hope you mean @Matt!

Aha! Can't tell you two apart sometimes :P @Matt

Errrm, ok!

That was a joke?

I thought so! Just couldn't see the likeness...
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 09:05:49 PM
@Nathan @Matt ok. @Stu before I forget to mention, the (WA) 70 is another route that has a 30 minute frequency Mon-Sun, it is aided Mon-Sat by the 69 and 70A to create a 7/8 minute frequency on part of the route
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on May 29, 2014, 09:11:28 PM
@Sh4318 I actually get you mixed up with Daniel/Russell etc. now, because he kept using your profile picture!!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on May 29, 2014, 09:14:07 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 29, 2014, 09:11:28 PM
@Sh4318 I actually get you mixed up with Daniel/Russell etc. now, because he kept using your profile picture!!

@Matt I must be doing something right if he kept using my profile picture ;D
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: sonic84 on June 04, 2014, 10:16:23 PM
The 144 is every 15 minutes between Worcester and Catshill, but reduces to every hour on evenings and sundays
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Sh4318 on June 04, 2014, 10:44:26 PM
The 8/89, every 10 minutes between Pelsall and Walsall, every hour evenings and Sundays
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2014, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 04, 2014, 10:44:26 PM
The 8/89, every 10 minutes between Pelsall and Walsall, every hour evenings and Sundays

The 89 takes a slightly different route from Rushall to Pelsall ;)  You also have Arriva's 8A which goes through Rushall and serves Pelsall.


WN3 and 4 are every 15 minutes each in the day but drop to hourly evenings and on Sundays

WN11 is every 9 minutes (excluding Travel Express) but is every hour on a Sunday Night (Only warrants an hourly service on a Sunday night!)
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Gareth on June 05, 2014, 12:42:44 AM
One of the biggest frequency drops I've experienced is with the 146. I used it regularly 2000-2004. Then it was every 30mins in the daytime with early mornings and my last bus from Hopwood to Birmingham was 10.30pm. Around 2003/4 it was increased to every 20mins in the daytime with route branding and was always well used. I looked at the current 146 timetable the other day. I was totally shocked at this now almost non existent service!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: notepanel on June 05, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
Previously there was the 331 Walsall-Willenhall route. I'm sure at one point, combined with the 331A this was up to every 10 minutes, but was gradually reduced and now doesn't exist!
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Tony on June 05, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
I'm not sure whether the thread has been set up before.

Another thread I have been meaning to set up for some time

Which route in the Midlands (I suppose if you can think of others from other parts of the country then that's fine too) has the biggest drop in frequency?

Eg NX WN 11 is every 8-10 minutes during the day Mon-Sat but on a Sunday evening its every hour

Also NX PN 9 is every 4 minutes at peak times but late night its every 30 minutes at night

Where do you get every 4 minutes from for the 9? try almost halving that.
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on June 05, 2014, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 05, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
I'm not sure whether the thread has been set up before.

Another thread I have been meaning to set up for some time

Which route in the Midlands (I suppose if you can think of others from other parts of the country then that's fine too) has the biggest drop in frequency?

Eg NX WN 11 is every 8-10 minutes during the day Mon-Sat but on a Sunday evening its every hour

Also NX PN 9 is every 4 minutes at peak times but late night its every 30 minutes at night

Where do you get every 4 minutes from for the 9? try almost halving that.

Evening peak from Quinton to Birmingham buses depart at 16:46 16:50 16:54 17:01 17:05 17:09
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Tony on June 05, 2014, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 05, 2014, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 05, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
I'm not sure whether the thread has been set up before.

Another thread I have been meaning to set up for some time

Which route in the Midlands (I suppose if you can think of others from other parts of the country then that's fine too) has the biggest drop in frequency?

Eg NX WN 11 is every 8-10 minutes during the day Mon-Sat but on a Sunday evening its every hour

Also NX PN 9 is every 4 minutes at peak times but late night its every 30 minutes at night

Where do you get every 4 minutes from for the 9? try almost halving that.

Evening peak from Quinton to Birmingham buses depart at 16:46 16:50 16:54 17:01 17:05 17:09

Two peak hour extra dropping into the timetable at Quinton against the peak flow which when they arrive in Birmingham are the standard 7/8 minutes apart for the return journey is not a service with a 4 minute frequency
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Trident 4609 on June 05, 2014, 08:07:00 PM
I posted that 4 months ago Tony! I was corrected further in the thread. After studying the timetable a few months back i am aware that the 9 isn't every 4 mins in the peak (As mentioned there are a couple of departures that have a 4 minute gap between them)
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: nitromatt1 on June 07, 2014, 09:08:38 AM
The x64 is another service with the same daytime frequency Mon-Sun (30 mins).
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Matt.N0056 on June 15, 2014, 11:49:31 AM
Solihull - Tile Cross/ chelmsley: every 8 mins NXWM, 12 mins Sunny Travel, 20 mins Claribels to a 30 min service evening/Sunday
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Kevin on September 01, 2015, 07:19:43 PM
Apologies for dragging up a topic from like a year ago but....

Curious one from the new timetables in North Brum:
Daytime the 51 and X51 are both every 10 mins, so stops like the Scott Arms have 12 buses an hour into Brum.
After 9pm it's just the 51 every half hour...
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Ian Hardy on September 01, 2015, 10:53:45 PM
How about this one in London which is the complete opposite to most other bus routes:

Arriva London North's 29 & N29 from Trafalgar Square to Wood Green

On Saturday day time it is every 5 minutes until 20:00 then it drops to every 6 minutes until 00:45 but then it goes up to every 3 to 4 minutes until 05:40 on Sunday mornings and then it drops to every 10 minutes until 07:40 and then every 8 minutes until 11:00 and then is every 5 minutes through the day (so it is it more frequent at night than during the day).

<http://www.londonbusroutes.net/times/029N029.htm#Sun_C>

Ian Hardy
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: Kevin on October 04, 2018, 09:52:49 AM
This topic came to my mind just now while travelling through Lyndon, and apologies it seems it was me that dragged it up last time around as well...

The area between the Warwick Road, Coventry Road and Hobs Moat currently has 3 bph on the 58, plus one each on the 96/99/S16, fairly well served I'd say, could be better but that's a different story

Evenings and Sundays it gets absolutely nothing... Surely it's time the 58 got something?
Title: Re: Biggest drop/contrast in frequency on a route in the West Midlands and beyond
Post by: 2206 on October 04, 2018, 12:14:28 PM
Quote from: Kevin on October 04, 2018, 09:52:49 AM
This topic came to my mind just now while travelling through Lyndon, and apologies it seems it was me that dragged it up last time around as well...

The area between the Warwick Road, Coventry Road and Hobs Moat currently has 3 bph on the 58, plus one each on the 96/99/S16, fairly well served I'd say, could be better but that's a different story

Evenings and Sundays it gets absolutely nothing... Surely it's time the 58 got something?
There's probably a reason for that - it's not needed.
The 96 and 99 carry next to nothing. Anyway from what i've Seen.
I personally can't see there being much demand for one, especially an evening service.